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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:33 | tim | We ran into a problem with one of our records. Here's the error. |
| 12:33 | Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm line 184., referer: http://koha.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/k[…]tail.pl?bib=18839 | |
| 12:35 | This is followed by the usual premature end of scritp headers (this one in addbiblio.pl) and the intranet page give a 500 error. | |
| 12:47 | Oh yeah. We're trying to edit the MARC record. | |
| 12:48 | hdl | what was the record source ? |
| 12:48 | Is this a record you created ? | |
| 12:48 | tim | It was from OCLC |
| 12:49 | hdl | would you give me ISBN ? |
| 12:51 | tim | 0439783690 |
| 12:53 | The book is in Spanish and English. I'm tninking it has something to do with Spanish characters. | |
| 12:53 | hdl | But it seems that they used utf-8 for their character encoding. |
| 12:53 | tim | But don't have a clue what to do about it. |
| 12:54 | hdl | wait for 3.0 :))) |
| 12:56 | tim | I'm guessing there are othere records with the same problem since we have a small Spanish collection. |
| 12:57 | hdl | More seriously, you could try and recompile MARC::Record and MARC::File::XML or MARC::Charset. |
| 12:57 | kados | tim: I know what the error is, I've got a solution for it |
| 12:57 | tim: give me a sec and I'll fix it | |
| 12:57 | tim | Cool! |
| 12:57 | Thanks! | |
| 13:03 | kados | tim: where are you pulling the record out of, the reservoir? |
| 13:08 | tim: give it a shot now | |
| 13:10 | tim: wait ... it's still not encoding correctly | |
| 13:10 | tim: lemme check your version of MARC::Record, MARC::File::XML | |
| 13:12 | tim: got it, your version of MARC::Record is way out of date, updating it now | |
| 13:18 | tim: compiling now | |
| 13:23 | tim: ok ... MARC::Record, MARC::File::XML updated, but that record is still not being encoded correctly | |
| 13:24 | tim: give me a minute to figure out what's going on | |
| 13:26 | so the leader is claiming it's MARC-8: | |
| 13:26 | 01166cam 2200301Ka 4500 | |
| 13:26 | but I suspect it's actually UTF-8 | |
| 13:31 | tim | Have any ideas what we can do about that? |
| 13:34 | kados | yep, trying one right now |
| 13:34 | give me a sec | |
| 13:38 | tim: ok ... here's the deal | |
| 13:38 | http://koha.wlpl.org/cgi-bin/k[…]tail.pl?bib=19549 | |
| 13:39 | I created a duplicate of the problematic record | |
| 13:39 | and it saved properly | |
| 13:39 | as utf-8 | |
| 13:39 | (though the leader didn't update for some reason) | |
| 13:39 | (so I need to check on that) | |
| 13:40 | in order to do that I had to change the default encoding of the intranet to utf-8 | |
| 13:40 | but that means that ascii characters outside the normal range don't display properly | |
| 13:40 | (like in the original record) | |
| 13:41 | probably the best solution would be to convert all your records to utf-8 | |
| 13:41 | (once we figure out why the leader | |
| 13:41 | isn't getting changed as it should) | |
| 13:42 | but I'm guessing that's going to be a lot of records since you have quite a few spanish materials | |
| 13:42 | I need to think a bit more to figure out if there's a way we can fix this without so much work | |
| 13:46 | btw: side note, is that how you're supposed to represent multi-language materials in MARC? 245$a with the spanish and $b with the english? | |
| 14:05 | slef | !help DateTime |
| 14:06 | kados | umm ... well we have a meeting in a couple hours |
| 14:06 | slef | how does logbot work? |
| 14:06 | kados | just logs stuff |
| 14:07 | no fancyness :-) | |
| 14:07 | slef | can you put meeting details into /topic please? |
| 14:07 | "You can view the logs of #koha using logbot. " | |
| 14:07 | How? | |
| 14:08 | kados | I can't edit topic |
| 14:08 | tim | kados: I don't do the cataloging. I don't know if that's the correct way of entering it. I'm guessing it's not. |
| 14:08 | kados | agenda's on the wiki |
| 14:09 | tim: I'm still working on a solution here | |
| 14:09 | tim: give me a few more minutes | |
| 14:09 | slef | kados: URL? |
| 14:09 | kados: who can edit topic? | |
| 14:09 | kados | slef: for the koha wiki? |
| 14:09 | slef | kados: for the agenda |
| 14:10 | kados | slef: noone |
| 14:10 | http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06mar27 | |
| 14:10 | tim: this is especially tricky because your data has both marc-8 and utf-8 characters | |
| 14:11 | tim: and it seems we can't always trust the leader to tell us which they are | |
| 14:12 | tim: it's also hard because there's no sane way to tell the difference between utf-8 and marc-8 by just the characters themselves | |
| 14:13 | slef | was kohaCon discussed on koha-devel? |
| 14:18 | What time is the meeting? | |
| 14:18 | kados | GMT 20:00 |
| 14:19 | slef | Now the clocks have changed, I can probably make that. |
| 14:19 | kados | sweet |
| 15:00 | hi paul_away | |
| 15:01 | paul | hi kados. |
| 15:01 | meeting in 1 hour isn't it ? | |
| 15:01 | kados | yes |
| 15:01 | I know it's late for you | |
| 15:01 | paul | (et are now in summer time, so we are GMT+2) |
| 15:01 | kados | and still early for NZ :( |
| 15:02 | right, so 9:00pm for you eh? | |
| 15:02 | paul | yep |
| 15:02 | kados | here's the meeting agenda: |
| 15:02 | http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06mar27 | |
| 15:02 | paul | in fact, my main concern is to have a meeting every week. It would be easier for me to have one once every 2 weeks. |
| 15:02 | kados | if you have anything to add, feel free |
| 15:03 | well, you can attend every two weeks :-) | |
| 15:04 | paul | wiki updated |
| 15:05 | (3 questions) | |
| 15:05 | slef | erm, when is meeting? |
| 15:06 | 20:00 GMT or 21:00 CET? | |
| 15:06 | paul | hi slef. In 1 hour |
| 15:06 | slef | so 20:00 +0000 |
| 15:06 | paul | 20:00 GMT |
| 15:06 | slef | 22:00 CET 8-/ |
| 15:50 | russ | morning all |
| 15:51 | kados | morning russ |
| 15:51 | russ | hi kados |
| 15:55 | kados | bout 5 minutes eh? |
| 15:55 | russ | i reckon |
| 15:56 | chris | morning |
| 15:56 | hdl | hi |
| 15:56 | russ | hiya chris |
| 15:59 | kados | T-MINUS TWO MINUTES TO KOHA MEETING |
| 15:59 | http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06mar27 | |
| 16:00 | ok ... it's 20:00 | |
| 16:00 | time for a roll call, eh? | |
| 16:00 | so who's about? | |
| 16:00 | chris | here |
| 16:01 | paul | who knows http://sourceforge.net/projects/jkoha ? |
| 16:01 | kados | not me |
| 16:01 | chris | ive seen it |
| 16:01 | kados | great, nice crowd |
| 16:02 | so, the agenda is at http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06mar27 | |
| 16:03 | first up is News and Questions | |
| 16:03 | paul, some of this you added, eh? | |
| 16:03 | paul | yep |
| 16:03 | kados | take us away :-) |
| 16:03 | paul | 1 st question : UNICODE status |
| 16:04 | seems the solution we have found still hides a big problem. | |
| 16:05 | kados | paul: what's that? |
| 16:05 | paul | (mail on koha-zebra from pierrick, 21th, march) |
| 16:05 | pierrick | not so big |
| 16:05 | paul | we are back to what I thought 2 months ago : |
| 16:05 | * either we succeed to get an improved DBD::mysql | |
| 16:06 | pierrick | do we need to process strings in Perl ? |
| 16:06 | paul | * we rewrite all subs to decode everything from mysql |
| 16:08 | pierrick | (decode every string is not a satisfaying solution) |
| 16:08 | paul | right |
| 16:08 | thd | paul: Is that the full list of options? Those 2? |
| 16:08 | paul | the last one being to switch from mysql to something else I think we only have 2, you're right |
| 16:10 | thd | paul: how painful would switching to Postgres be actually? |
| 16:10 | kados | thd: quite painful :-) |
| 16:10 | paul | somthing like a cancer ? |
| 16:10 | thd | :) |
| 16:10 | kados | hehe |
| 16:11 | pierrick | do we need to process strings coming from Mysql in Perl ? |
| 16:11 | thd | I did not mean permanently but temporarily, relative to hacking the DBD module |
| 16:11 | pierrick | if not, the problem is not that big |
| 16:12 | paul | but we have : |
| 16:12 | * marc_*_structure | |
| 16:12 | * borrowers | |
| 16:12 | * many many other parameters tables (itemtype description, ...) | |
| 16:14 | kados | chris: any input on this? |
| 16:14 | chris | im wondering what the answer to pierricks question is too |
| 16:15 | paul | I wanted to say that we have to retrieve many strings from mySQL as well as from zebra. |
| 16:16 | pierrick | retrieving many strings is absolutely not a problem, processing strings can be |
| 16:16 | paul | is "show the string in the template" not something "processed" ? |
| 16:16 | pierrick | I mean things like inline replacement on non-ASCII characters, string length calculation |
| 16:17 | paul, no, in my mind "select" and "print" does not process the string, sorry for my vocabulary, I was not clear enough | |
| 16:17 | hdl | But if you have a select with some accentuated characters, Don't we need "processing" ? |
| 16:18 | pierrick | as long as we only do "insert", "select", "print", no problem I think, I see even |
| 16:18 | paul | but why do I have a problem ? |
| 16:18 | hdl | But we shall have to insert. Or to take into account that users may have different locales. |
| 16:19 | pierrick | IMO, Koha works with UTF-8, 99,99% |
| 16:19 | hdl, no problem to insert utf-8 | |
| 16:19 | hdl, what do you mean "different locales" ? | |
| 16:19 | thd | hdl: exactly which is why every string should be converted in any case |
| 16:20 | paul | but on MARCdetail.pl I have wrong results : |
| 16:20 | pierrick | we force browser side to be utf-8, not matter the client locale |
| 16:20 | thd | pierrick: only if the client supports UTF-8 |
| 16:20 | paul | * without binmode, zebra datas are wrong, but mysql datas are OK (marc description) |
| 16:21 | * with binmode, zebra datas are OK, but mysql datas are no more ! | |
| 16:21 | kados | paul: are you sure you changed all of zebra's config files to utf-8? |
| 16:21 | pierrick | thd, supporting utf-8 is a prerequisite, obviously... and which recent browser does not support utf-8 ??? |
| 16:21 | paul | repeat all what I have to do to be sure I haven't missed something |
| 16:22 | thd | pierrick: well I identify legacy systems for the user at home. |
| 16:22 | kados | thd: we can bring up supporting older browsers when we resolve the utf-8 problems' we're having |
| 16:22 | thd: right now the priority is getting utf-8 to work! | |
| 16:23 | thd | however, most users not on the special systems at the library itself will not have a UTF-8 locale |
| 16:23 | paul | but that's not a problem thd : the browser take care of everything |
| 16:23 | (unless i'm still missing something !) | |
| 16:23 | pierrick | paul, you don't miss anything |
| 16:24 | thd | paul: It does not on my system |
| 16:24 | paul | which browser do you use ? |
| 16:24 | kados | if your locale does not support utf-8 it won't work |
| 16:24 | I've seen it before on my gentoo workstation | |
| 16:24 | regardless of browser | |
| 16:24 | so thd has a point | |
| 16:25 | but i suggest we ignore that for now | |
| 16:25 | pierrick | thd, locale is not about encoding (utf-8 is an encoding) but about a character set you can type with your keyboard and display on your screen |
| 16:25 | paul | right |
| 16:25 | (+ it's already 10:30 pm in europe ;-) ) | |
| 16:25 | kados | and concentrate on getting utf-8 to actually work for those of us with the utf-8 locale |
| 16:26 | paul: I can't find the message that Tumer sent regarding utf-8 and zebra | |
| 16:26 | paul: but it was in there (sent to koha-zebra I believe) | |
| 16:26 | I'm really getting sick of encoding issues :-) | |
| 16:26 | thd | paul: if I query for C?zanne when my system which is not set to UTF-8 the query will fail unless it is normalised for UTF-8 at the server side which seems simple enough to me |
| 16:26 | paul | pierrick & kados, you have something working correctly, while I don't. |
| 16:26 | (too : getting sick) | |
| 16:27 | kados | paul: I discovered a new bug with the new cvs MARC editor for existing records in a Koha database with incorrect leader |
| 16:27 | paul: just today ... I've been trying to fix it ... driving me nuts! | |
| 16:27 | thd | kados: why is the leader incorrect? |
| 16:27 | kados | paul: also, I have not attempted to change default char encoding in mysql yet |
| 16:27 | thd: no idea | |
| 16:28 | so it seems like our UNICODE status is that we're still unresolved | |
| 16:28 | paul | right. |
| 16:29 | pierrick | :-/ I thought it was OK |
| 16:29 | thd | kados: Is the encoding[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[C[Ccharacter encoding set in 0000/09 wrong? |
| 16:29 | kados | pierrick: can you confirm whether you have a working Koha with mysql tables specifying utf-8? |
| 16:29 | thd: now's not the time | |
| 16:29 | pierrick | kados, I confirm |
| 16:29 | paul | pierrick : do you still think you're OK |
| 16:29 | kados | pierrick: can we view this? |
| 16:29 | paul | OK, so you just have to explain what you did ! |
| 16:29 | kados | right |
| 16:29 | pierrick | kados, no you can't I just made screenshots |
| 16:30 | kados | (I _thought_ pierrick had done so via an email) |
| 16:30 | pierrick | (no access to my working station) |
| 16:30 | kados | (but assumed that something else was discovered) |
| 16:30 | paul | we end this topic and reach the next one ? |
| 16:30 | kados | sure |
| 16:30 | I will get a utf-8 mysql Koha running this week | |
| 16:30 | to confirm that pierrick 's solution works | |
| 16:30 | Zebra integration (CQL in Koha) ... also paul>? | |
| 16:31 | chris: want to give us an update on that? | |
| 16:31 | paul | yes, I just wanted to read chris on this |
| 16:31 | chris | last week we got sorting working |
| 16:31 | paul | do you have builded an API for queries ? |
| 16:31 | chris | so that the results are returned in relevance rank from zebra, but we can then resort them by title, or author etc |
| 16:31 | kados | paul: http://kohatest.liblime.com/ |
| 16:32 | chris | paul: I have been working in C4::SearchMarc.pm |
| 16:32 | kados | paul: it's where we are at currently with searching |
| 16:33 | chris | i have to tidy it up, and put it in C4::Search |
| 16:33 | paul | there is no possibility for the user to enter a CQL query directly ? |
| 16:33 | chris | there is on head |
| 16:33 | kados | chris: will that code eventually support the full CQL hierarchy? |
| 16:33 | chris | i have been working on the 2.2 plugin recently paul |
| 16:33 | maybe kados | |
| 16:34 | it all depends on how we build the pqf.properties fiel | |
| 16:34 | file even | |
| 16:35 | kados | we're still missing some things |
| 16:35 | I detailed them in my search report sent to koha-zebra | |
| 16:35 | chris | the way SearchMarc.pm does the search |
| 16:35 | is not going to be how 3.0 does it | |
| 16:35 | kados | ahh |
| 16:35 | chris | SearchMarc.pm is a drop in replacement for the SearchMarc.pm in 2.2.x |
| 16:36 | so that without needing to change much, you can get zebra going | |
| 16:36 | thd | chris: how will it be different for 3.0? |
| 16:36 | paul | so where is the best code ? in head or in 2.2-zebra plugin ? |
| 16:36 | chris | for 3.0 we have a chance to tidy up the .pl files as well |
| 16:37 | SearchMarc.pm in head will work with the existing search files | |
| 16:37 | Search.pm in head will be the new API | |
| 16:37 | SearchMarc.pm does the most things at the moment (sorting, etc) | |
| 16:37 | as I have been concentrating on it lately | |
| 16:39 | thd: currently we get things from the form like biblio.title="some book" .. which we then convert to title all "some book" in CQL and pass to zebra | |
| 16:40 | paul | ok, i'll try to investigate your code. when do you think it will be stabilised enough ? |
| 16:40 | chris | the plugin part (ie SearchMarc.pm and Biblio.pm) is pretty stable now |
| 16:40 | thd | chris: so do you mean that obviously the conversion step between SQL and CQL will be eliminated? |
| 16:40 | chris | Search.pm is going to need quite a bit more work |
| 16:41 | thd: something like that | |
| 16:42 | the search forms can be simplified | |
| 16:42 | paul, ill try to do an updated mail when theres something good to look at | |
| 16:43 | (for head) | |
| 16:43 | kados | I fear we're going to run out of time fast |
| 16:43 | PROG template status? | |
| 16:43 | also added by paul? | |
| 16:43 | paul | yep. |
| 16:43 | thd | kados: which time do you mean? |
| 16:44 | kados | thd: it's 10:45pm in France :-) |
| 16:44 | I mean for the meeting | |
| 16:44 | paul | * are PROG complete ? i've seen owen has added some prog for OPC |
| 16:44 | chris | ohh cool |
| 16:45 | paul | thus I think they are complete. But can't be sure |
| 16:45 | thd | kados: as long as is still a constant for those of us still spinning at the same rate :( |
| 16:45 | paul | could anyone confirm my feeling ? |
| 16:45 | kados | owen: any thoughts? |
| 16:45 | owen | paul: they should be 'first draft' complete, but without the enhancements you and I discussed (more navigation menus, ID'd blocks, etc) |
| 16:46 | paul | ok, who plan to improve them ? |
| 16:46 | who candidate ? | |
| 16:46 | russ | to make them look good? |
| 16:47 | is that what you mean? | |
| 16:47 | kados | paul: do you mean who will build the '3.0 fancy tempaltes'? |
| 16:47 | paul | no, to complete them 1st |
| 16:47 | russ | ah |
| 16:47 | chris | i dont think the prog ones have to look good |
| 16:47 | owen | they're not supposed to look good :) |
| 16:47 | paul | then I think katipo already candidate to make something nice. |
| 16:47 | chris | but without navigation, they are sometimes hard to use |
| 16:49 | paul | ok, great |
| 16:49 | russ | cool owen |
| 16:49 | kados | ok ... so ... paul, last question: RoadMap |
| 16:49 | (I assume that was also you) | |
| 16:50 | paul | it's a question for the release manager : where should we do for KohaCon ? |
| 16:50 | thd | what does that question mean? |
| 16:50 | paul | we will have to show something to librarians on day 2 |
| 16:50 | slef | paul: do or be? |
| 16:50 | paul | s/do/be/ you're right |
| 16:50 | (quite late, my english becomes poor...) | |
| 16:51 | and also have to plan what we will do on devWeek | |
| 16:51 | kados | paul: are you asking whether we'll have a fancy looking koha roadmap for the KohaCon? |
| 16:52 | paul | I hope we won't have only a roadmap, but a product to show ;-) |
| 16:52 | thd | kados: i think he is asking what in the roadmap will be ready for demonstration on day 2 |
| 16:52 | paul | even if uncomplete, of course. |
| 16:52 | chris | the searching |
| 16:53 | we can certainly show off searching using zebra, and ill have the freetext cql interface going too | |
| 16:53 | paul | pierrick ++ |
| 16:53 | the look will probably be the most important part of the demo ;-) | |
| 16:53 | russ | that doesnt leave much time to do a fancy template |
| 16:54 | thd | chris: what aspect of that is a feature to make an audience happy rather than merely showing the internal workings? |
| 16:54 | pierrick | russ, that's why not every page must be fancy for KohaCon |
| 16:54 | paul | russ : what about just having a nice css on prog ? |
| 16:54 | + few pages improved | |
| 16:54 | chris | thd: i want to have 2 koha's running, one using zebra, one not |
| 16:54 | on the same machine | |
| 16:54 | same records | |
| 16:55 | russ | still need a little bit of design time |
| 16:55 | chris | show the diffreence |
| 16:55 | pierrick | chris++ |
| 16:55 | chris | russ: we could for the demo's sake, steal the plain templates we did for opus |
| 16:55 | and use those? | |
| 16:56 | russ | possibly |
| 16:57 | paul | ok, next topic then ? |
| 16:57 | kados | sounds good |
| 16:57 | russ, this is your baby I believe | |
| 16:57 | russ | cheers |
| 16:58 | i am very keen to publish a programme for the koha con on the website | |
| 16:58 | but i am not sure if one exsists yet | |
| 16:58 | paul - have you and ineo set a programme yet? | |
| 16:59 | or do you need some help organising this? | |
| 16:59 | paul | isn't http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…].php?page=KohaCon enough for instance ? |
| 16:59 | the only missing guy is the 1st one. | |
| 16:59 | russ | how long will each talk be |
| 16:59 | what time will be starting | |
| 16:59 | will there be breaks | |
| 16:59 | paul | around 1 hour |
| 17:00 | russ | all that stuff needs to be sorted |
| 17:00 | kados | yep |
| 17:00 | paul | right. we still have to detail this. |
| 17:00 | russ | yep it is the detail i am after |
| 17:01 | we are flying half way round the world to attend, it is important to us :-) | |
| 17:01 | paul | i'll update the wiki this week. is it OK ? |
| 17:01 | (wednesday hopefully) | |
| 17:01 | kados | sounds good |
| 17:01 | paul | it will begin at 9:30, not before. |
| 17:01 | russ | paul did you get my email with all theq's? |
| 17:01 | paul | yep russ |
| 17:01 | slef | can I ask some kohacon questions when you're done? |
| 17:02 | kados | I think we're done eh? |
| 17:02 | go ahead slef | |
| 17:02 | slef | Why those dates? |
| 17:02 | thd | paul: was your question about the roadmap in relation to DevWeek answered? |
| 17:02 | kados | ha |
| 17:02 | slef: those are the dates we picked :-) | |
| 17:02 | paul | thd : yes |
| 17:03 | slef | kados: how/why? |
| 17:03 | paul | * choosen because joshua will be in Geneva just before this KohaCon |
| 17:03 | * in France there are many many many closed days in April/May, so it was really hard to find a correct date ! | |
| 17:04 | slef | ah, that's more understandable |
| 17:04 | chris | basically kohacon sprang out of the fact kados was going to be in europe |
| 17:04 | slef | Yes, that's the problem. May 1 is mayday here IIRC, so travel is going to be hell |
| 17:04 | thd | paul: I did not see the answer for DevWeek and the roadmap only chris demonstrates differences in searching for the convention |
| 17:04 | slef | if it is possible at all |
| 17:04 | chris | and we thought, how about a developer get together |
| 17:04 | paul | when I suggested this meeting I didn't imagine, even a second, kiwis would come ! |
| 17:04 | but i'm very happy with this ! | |
| 17:05 | kados | :-) |
| 17:05 | chris | and then, we thought, we may as well have a bit for librarians too |
| 17:05 | slef | When will this be announced to mailing lists? |
| 17:05 | chris | i think its been on koha-devel ? |
| 17:05 | russ | rach is proofing my annoucnement at the moment |
| 17:05 | thd | kados: what was bringing you to Europe otherwise? |
| 17:05 | chris | just the main koha list to announce too? |
| 17:05 | slef | chris: first I heard about dates was your blog. |
| 17:05 | russ | i had hoped to get it out there yesterday |
| 17:05 | kados | thd: i can't announce it publicly :-) |
| 17:06 | chris | ahh |
| 17:06 | russ | it has been on the website for about 2 weeks |
| 17:06 | thd | kados: I guessed that was the reason :) |
| 17:06 | paul | i'm just waiting for a confirmation from ineo to adv french librarians |
| 17:06 | chris | but we were waiting for a few more details, to do the big announcement is that right? |
| 17:06 | slef | russ: web site is still not legible. I know I have login, so I wanted to look whether I can fix before bugreporting. |
| 17:06 | chris | slef: im pleased someone looks at my blog :-) |
| 17:06 | paul | I'm just waiting for ineo confirmation. I let russ take care of the english announcement. |
| 17:07 | russ | http://www.koha.org/community/[…]rences/index.html |
| 17:07 | slef | russ: illegible here, so I don't visit www.koha.org much. |
| 17:07 | chris | bad css slef? |
| 17:07 | slef | 1mo, will screenshot |
| 17:07 | chris: aye | |
| 17:07 | chris | ta |
| 17:07 | pierrick | chris, I'm also RSS connected to your blog ;-) |
| 17:08 | russ | weird - first i have heard of this |
| 17:08 | slef | russ: have you validated the css? |
| 17:08 | russ | i didnt do the css |
| 17:09 | but i am pretty sure that both shaun and bob looked at that | |
| 17:09 | kados | looks like the html is missing a </meta> tag |
| 17:09 | chris | i wonder what happened to them |
| 17:09 | kados | http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-valid[…]%2F%2Fkoha.org%2F |
| 17:09 | chris: exactly what we thought would happen to them :-) | |
| 17:09 | <poof> :-) | |
| 17:09 | paul | poof ? |
| 17:10 | chris | (shaun and ben, disappeared back into the ether) |
| 17:10 | kados | anyway, I've got to get something to eat before I fall over |
| 17:10 | paul | ok. |
| 17:10 | kados | so I'm gonna close the meeting |
| 17:10 | paul | and i've got to get some sleep ! |
| 17:10 | thd | paul: poof is the sound of disappearance |
| 17:10 | paul | ok. I'll be on irc on wednesday. tomorrow, i'll be with OUEST PROVENCE. |
| 17:10 | slef | kados: poof is a pejorative term to denote a homosexual. Is that what you wanted to say about shaun and ben? |
| 17:10 | pierrick | so do I, long night waiting for me (kid's ill) |
| 17:10 | paul | in french we say "pouf" too ;-) |
| 17:11 | kados | slef: not at all of course |
| 17:11 | slef | What is the plan for announcing kohacon to mailing lists? When and where do announcements go? |
| 17:11 | paul | I let russ answer for english. |
| 17:12 | for french, we have 3 very large mailing lists. And Ineo will send a mail to the 300 largest french libraries. | |
| 17:12 | pierrick | 'night #koha |
| 17:12 | osmoze | hello |
| 17:12 | paul | osmoze arrives really late. meeting is closing ! |
| 17:13 | can I leave ? | |
| 17:13 | russ | slef - as i mentioned earlier |
| 17:13 | rachel is proof reading an annoucnement for me | |
| 17:13 | osmoze | excuse me, but my mother doen't love to be cut on dinner ;) |
| 17:13 | slef | http://g.towers.org.uk:70/ss.png is how I see www.koha.org since the redesign |
| 17:13 | russ | i will post to koha, koha-dev, and koha-win32 |
| 17:13 | later today | |
| 17:14 | chris | yikes no wonder you dont look at it |
| 17:14 | owen | slef: using what browser/platform/browser dimensions? |
| 17:14 | slaf | damn intercontinental links |
| 17:14 | what was my last line? | |
| 17:15 | russ | |
| 17:15 | 09:13AM|<slef> http://g.towers.org.uk:70/ss.png is how I see www.koha.org since the redesign | |
| 17:15 | 09:13AM|<russ> i will post to koha, koha-dev, and koha-win32 | |
| 17:15 | 09:13AM|<russ> later today | |
| 17:15 | 09:14AM|<chris> yikes no wonder you dont look at it | |
| 17:15 | 09:14AM|<owen> slef: using what browser/platform/browser dimensions? | |
| 17:15 | owen | slef: images turned off? |
| 17:15 | slaf | owen: firefox-based/GoboLinux/512x640ish |
| 17:16 | owen: yes, no images most of the time | |
| 17:16 | owen | And a user stylesheet that turns some text yellow? |
| 17:17 | slaf | no, just default colours of yellow-on-navy to make it nicer to read |
| 17:17 | osmoze | good night paul :) |
| 17:17 | slaf | I'd use white not yellow, but enough sites use a white background with no text colour that I'd never know there was text there! |
| 17:17 | owen | slaf: with a setup like that, is there anything on the internet that /doesn't/ look like crap for you? |
| 17:17 | Besides maybe plain text? | |
| 17:18 | slaf | owen: sites which follow www.w3.org/TR/WCAG are fine. |
| 17:20 | owen: web users have a range of settings. Sites which can't cope with a fairly minor eyesight problem are very buggy. | |
| 17:32 | slef | owen: sorry. The "it's your fault for setting your browser to be comfortable" subtext is a bit annoying. |
| 17:34 | As mentioned, I was going to check if the login details I had let me fix it and not complain until after that. I didn't realise some news only appeared on the web site now. | |
| 17:35 | owen | I think the ideal you espouse is a worthy goal, but it's a bit misleading to tell someone their site is broken without explaining the details of your browsing environment |
| 17:37 | slef | owen: neither the xhtml nor the CSS validate. My browsing environments are not very relevant. |
| 17:38 | owen | But all the problems with your screenshot are a result of your browsing environment, not the validations problems |
| 17:40 | slef | owen: The most severe are because the CSS is semi-complete, as described in the validator's warning output. |
| 17:48 | owen | slef: if you're posting a screenshot like that in order to help diagnose/solve a problem with a site, you have to put it in context. |
| 18:03 | slef | owen: it's just an illustration. The diagnosis is all in the validation reports. |
| 04:21 | osmoze | hello from France :) |
| 04:26 | pierrick | hi osmoze |
| 05:00 | osmoze | bonjour hdl |
| 05:00 | hdl | bonjour osmoze |
| 05:00 | ca gaze ? | |
| 05:00 | osmoze | c est plutot gazeux ce matin :( |
| 05:01 | hdl | Tu as pu tester plus en détail la doc que j'ai mise à disposition ? |
| 05:01 | ou bien tu as abandonné, signe que c'est TRES mauvais ? | |
| 05:01 | osmoze | non, j ai pas continuer car j ai eu un probleme perl...J avoue ne pas avoir pousser plus que cela, je recommence dans la journée |
| 05:01 | (avec l install phpmyadmin, pas l autre) | |
| 05:02 | par contre, une petite question, la pres de la kohaconf est en anglais, vas t il y avoir une version francisé ? | |
| 05:02 | (c est pour la demande a mon président) | |
| 05:15 | pierrick | osmoze, Kohacon day1 et day2 sont officiellement en français |
| 05:15 | certaines presentations seront en anglais, mais traduites a la volee en theorie | |
| 05:16 | osmoze | pierrick, pour les inscription je parle, en gros, que cette page : http://www.koha.org/community/[…]es/usergroup.html soit en francais |
| 05:17 | pierrick | hdl, les documents sur l'editeur MARC sont inaccessible sur koha-fr.org, tu saurais m'aider a les trouver ? |
| 05:17 | hdl, http://www.koha-fr.org/MARC-E.pdf | |
| 05:19 | osmoze, il y a aura une presentation en francais au moins sur les mailing-list des bibliothecaires, la mailing-liste d'info Koha en francais | |
| 05:21 | hdl | pierrick: Je rétablis ce lien tout de suite. |
| 05:23 | osmoze | hdl > une reponse ou je presente tout a mon president en anglais ? ;) |
| 05:23 | hdl | pierrick: ok |
| 05:23 | Normalement, si tu peux attendre Mercredi, une version Française va arriver. | |
| 05:23 | :) | |
| 05:24 | osmoze | ok, j attend demain sans probleme mais c etait pour en avoir le coeur net ^^ |
| 05:24 | merci | |
| 05:25 | hdl | Je n'ai pas accès à la page du magazine que tu cites. Ce serait possible de me la faire parvenir ? |
| 05:25 | pierrick | hdl, merci pour le document sur l'editeur MARC :-) |
| 05:25 | hdl | No prob. |
| 05:25 | C'était un problème de passage à la nouvelle interface du site. | |
| 05:27 | osmoze | <hdl> Je n'ai pas accès à la page du magazine que tu cites. Ce serait possible de me la faire parvenir ? <-- c est pour moi ca ? |
| 05:27 | hdl | oui osmoze. J'aurais du le préciser. |
| 05:29 | pierrick | bizarre, j'y accede bien moi |
| 05:29 | le texte est tout petit: | |
| 05:30 | KOHA, le futur logiciel documentaire de la médiathèque intercommunale | |
| 05:30 | KOHA est un système intégré de gestion de bibliothèque (SIGB) en « Open Source », donc en distribution libre sans paiement de droits d'utilisation. C'est aussi le premier logiciel de gestion de bibliothèque libre au monde, qui respecte les normes internationales (Marc, Z39.50 et ISO2709) spécifiques à ce type d'outil. | |
| 06:03 | osmoze|out | pierrick c est juste le resumé |
| 06:07 | pierrick | oui, hdl me l'a fait remarque |
| 06:07 | le texte entier est accessible en ligne? | |
| 06:12 | osmoze | non, sauf si tu payes ;) |
| 11:25 | ++ all | |
| 11:34 | thd | kados: are you around? |
| 11:35 | pierrick | kados, another question for you :-) |
| 11:36 | thd | pierrick: Did you take a visit to a large Ineo client as you had been planning? |
| 11:38 | pierrick | thd, no I didn't :-/ |
| 11:39 | thd, I was ill at the end of last week and my colleagues are very busy this week in our client offices | |
| 11:40 | thd | pierrick: Does Ineo develop its own software for serving large clients? |
| 11:40 | pierrick | I hope I will go this week, but I was confirmed |
| 11:40 | thd, no | |
| 11:41 | thd, INEO develops a kind of "supersoftware" to limitate OS capabilities | |
| 11:41 | I mean... for computers in libraries | |
| 11:41 | such as one computer can only open the OPAC | |
| 11:42 | but INEO does not develop any ILS, they integrated the more appropriate ILS depending on customer needs | |
| 11:42 | thd | pierrick: Does Ineo markets services using other companies software based on whatever software is best suited to the library? |
| 11:43 | pierrick | yes, INEO is a software integrator (and not a software editor) |
| 11:45 | Koha participation is something new to INEO | |
| 11:45 | thd | pierrick: So Ineo, has no vested interest in any particular system except for the user management system that you described. |
| 11:45 | pierrick | (and for myself, working as an integrator is something new, I used to work for an editor previously) |
| 11:46 | thd, INEO has some partnership with several ILS I think (do be confirmed) | |
| 11:46 | s{do be}{to be} | |
| 11:47 | why those questions ? | |
| 11:48 | thd | pierrick: I was trying to discover if Ineo would plan only to have Koha serve small libraries even if it could serve much larger libraries in future. |
| 11:50 | pierrick: I was trying to gauge the interest Ineo had in improving the features of Koha so that it could serve large libraries. | |
| 11:50 | pierrick | I believe that if first experiences are really positive, INEO will try to promote Koha in larger libaries |
| 11:50 | what do you call a "large library" ? | |
| 11:51 | thd | pierrick: well large is perhaps not the appropriate term |
| 11:52 | pierrick: I should have said libraries with complex collections and complex record needs | |
| 11:53 | pierrick: large is also an issue for scalability to collections with millions of records. | |
| 11:53 | pierrick | I don't know the strategy in the long run thd, I know things and I guess others :-) |
| 11:53 | thd | s/scalability/performance and response time scalability/ |
| 11:55 | pierrick | what I'm sure about is that INEO waits for a first complete success project with Koha, that's why I'm here |
| 11:58 | thd | pierrick: I am pleased to know that there is no absolute commitment to an in house proprietary ILS where they might want to protect the market they had already with their own in house software. |
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