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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:23 | kados | paul: you around? |
| 11:24 | paul: about your question about new MARC editor | |
| 11:24 | paul | yep |
| 11:24 | kados | paul: have you looked at the demo of Ohio University student's code? |
| 11:24 | paul | nope |
| 11:24 | (an url ?) | |
| 11:25 | kados | it should be listed on labs.liblime.com |
| 11:25 | there were in fact two software teams in the same class | |
| 11:25 | both competed with different software packages | |
| 11:26 | team 42 had the best features I think, though teamipg has nice keystroke management | |
| 11:27 | (it seems they are finding no results) | |
| 11:27 | paul | (what can I search ?) |
| 11:27 | right :-( | |
| 11:27 | what's the status of this code ? do they work on it a little ? | |
| 11:28 | kados | no, no more work now |
| 11:28 | the class is over so they fled the scene :-) | |
| 11:28 | I can send you the existing two software packages | |
| 11:28 | but really, we need a complete new design | |
| 11:29 | paul | so you think I had better start from scratch something new ? |
| 11:29 | kados | that's my suggestion |
| 11:29 | paul | you told me you had some ideas iirc |
| 11:29 | kados | yes, I do ... |
| 11:29 | but today I'm quite busy ... | |
| 11:29 | paul | i'm listening (or you write a mail ?) |
| 11:29 | kados | yes, I'll write an email |
| 11:29 | maybe later tonight | |
| 11:29 | paul | no problem, I just need to have a clear position at end of month |
| 11:30 | kados | ok ... we will :-) |
| 11:30 | paul | did you saw my mail about kohacon on the wiki ? |
| 11:30 | kados | yes ... thank you |
| 11:30 | can we now announce it on koha lists and on our websites? | |
| 11:31 | or are you still waiting for confirmation ? | |
| 11:31 | paul | i'm waiting for something from jps |
| 11:31 | kados | ok |
| 11:31 | paul | but if he stays silent, at end of week we will announce the con |
| 11:31 | kados | sounds like a plan |
| 11:31 | paul | about koha extension for firefox (on labs.liblime) |
| 11:31 | do you plan to commit something on cvs ? | |
| 11:32 | could be a good "add on" to Koha. | |
| 11:32 | the 1st separate package | |
| 11:32 | then MARC editor, | |
| 11:32 | then opensearchportal | |
| 11:32 | then acquisition wizard | |
| 11:33 | (acq wizard is something ouest provence want me to developp, i have a mail to write on koha-devel) | |
| 11:54 | kados | yes, I do plan to commit it |
| 11:54 | in fact, I registered a special domain for it :-) | |
| 11:54 | kohazilla.org :-) | |
| 11:54 | nothing there yet, but soon | |
| 11:55 | it will allow any library to create a custom search plugin for their system and then upload it to kohazilla.org | |
| 11:57 | paul | pierrick : a few months ago we were speaking of adding new features to Koha, of course, but also adding new tools. some things that could be standalone apps, but that works also with Koha |
| 11:57 | the 1st one that will be developped will be a MARC editor. i have a student with me for 2 months. | |
| 11:57 | pierrick | OK, you noticed that to me when we met |
| 11:57 | paul | joshua also began opensearchportal and an extension for firefox. |
| 11:58 | look at labs.liblime.com | |
| 11:58 | pierrick | I did |
| 11:58 | where is the search performed ? | |
| 11:59 | kados | the opensearch portal search? |
| 11:59 | it searches several z3950 targets including a couple of Koha boxes | |
| 12:01 | pierrick | a couple of Koha boxes running Zebra (am I right so far) |
| 12:01 | paul | not necessary : koha 2.2 has a basic z3950 server |
| 12:02 | pierrick | I thought 2.2 had only a z39.50 client |
| 12:02 | kados | I think some are using the basic z3950 server, some are zebra indexes |
| 12:02 | pierrick: I wrote a very basic z3950 server it's been in use at NPL for several years | |
| 12:02 | pierrick | OK, I understand |
| 12:02 | kados | pierrick: in fact, it was the first perl program I ever wrote :-) |
| 12:02 | pierrick | :-) |
| 12:02 | kados | pierrick: so it's quite poorly written IMO :-) |
| 12:03 | but gets the job done :-) | |
| 12:03 | pierrick | kados: did you need to improve your perl coding style? |
| 12:04 | kados | quite a bit :-) |
| 12:04 | in fact, I have no training as a programmer | |
| 12:04 | (which may be obvious :-)) | |
| 12:04 | pierrick | really ? |
| 12:04 | I don't know if it's obvious, I don't know the code enough | |
| 12:04 | kados | my background is in Classical languages (Greek and Latin) and Linguistics :-) |
| 12:05 | pierrick | linguistics, like Larry... |
| 12:05 | kados | hehe ... yea, I guess that's true |
| 12:05 | guess perl's a good choice for me then :-) | |
| 12:05 | pierrick | Perl is a great choice for many things! |
| 12:06 | is paul a programmer basically ? | |
| 12:07 | paul | yep. |
| 12:07 | but not a perl fan at the beginning. | |
| 12:07 | now we are good friends. | |
| 12:07 | pierrick | reading your code, I suppose you know C |
| 12:07 | paul | me ? |
| 12:07 | pierrick | am I wrong ? |
| 12:08 | paul: yes, mister poulain :-) | |
| 12:08 | paul | wow, no, as everybody I learned C, but it was 15 years ago, and I never wrote C IRL. |
| 12:08 | pierrick | (but I'm not sure I'm reading your code) |
| 12:08 | paul | (I mean IBL : In Business Life) |
| 12:09 | pierrick | my very first programming language was C |
| 12:10 | and I'm happy not to write real C programs outside of school | |
| 13:27 | kados | hey tim |
| 13:27 | tim | hey kados |
| 13:27 | kados | looks like your site registration is back up :-) |
| 13:28 | I tried to send you an email to let you know it was down but the message bounced :-) | |
| 13:28 | tim | Cool! I was just gonna ask how it looks from your end. |
| 13:28 | kados | yep, came back up this morning |
| 13:28 | if it didn't i was gonna call you cause I remembered you have an internal DNS | |
| 13:29 | and might not be aware of it :-) | |
| 13:29 | tim | Yeah. I didn't know the library switched credit card companies, so the information wasn't passed on to the registrar. |
| 13:29 | kados | ahh ... trixy :-) |
| 13:29 | all good now though | |
| 13:29 | tim | We only have internal DNS for the intranet. Our ISP handles the rest. |
| 13:30 | kados | makes sense |
| 13:30 | tim | They had it hard-coded, so we didn't have any problems from here or from home because I use the same ISP. |
| 13:30 | We just got a call letting us know our email isn't working. I guess the fix hasn't made it everywhere yet. | |
| 13:31 | kados | I will try to email you |
| 13:31 | sent | |
| 13:31 | no bounce, so that's good | |
| 13:32 | paul | kados, a quick question |
| 13:32 | kados | paul: sure |
| 13:32 | paul | I try to play with 3.0 |
| 13:32 | but get a " [109] Database unavailable -- v2 addinfo 'koha'" | |
| 13:32 | kados | yep |
| 13:32 | paul | how to know which DB I have in zebra |
| 13:32 | (i think i have "koha", but it seems no...) | |
| 13:32 | kados | first check koha.conf |
| 13:32 | is it listed as 'koha'? | |
| 13:33 | paul | zebradb=localhost:2100/zebra in /etc/koha.conf |
| 13:33 | oups ! | |
| 13:33 | kados | ok, so the db name is in fact zebra |
| 13:33 | paul | stupid guy |
| 13:33 | kados | not so stupid |
| 13:34 | you may still get the same error | |
| 13:34 | here's what to do: | |
| 13:34 | zebraix init | |
| 13:34 | zebraidx create koha | |
| 13:34 | zebraidx commit | |
| 13:34 | zebrasrv localhost:2100 | |
| 13:34 | (after editing koha.conf and changing zebra to koha) | |
| 13:34 | tim | got the email kados |
| 13:34 | kados | the critical step being' zebraidx commit' |
| 13:35 | tim: great, sounds like you're back up 100% ... may take a few more hours to propogate everywhere though | |
| 13:36 | paul | works fine, thx. |
| 13:36 | (now i have to populate the DB ;-) ) | |
| 13:36 | (with rebuild_zebra.pl) | |
| 13:38 | kados | :-) |
| 13:53 | paul: did you see Tumer's posts? | |
| 13:54 | paul: it seems he's importing with iso2709 | |
| 13:54 | paul: which is _very_ fast | |
| 13:56 | paul | you're speaking of it's mail 03.10.06 "building zebra_db" ? |
| 13:57 | kados | yes |
| 13:58 | it seems to me like he must have forked Koha as soon as perl-zoom was out without telling us :-) | |
| 13:58 | paul | wow, i missed the importance of this mail. I agree it's very interesting ! |
| 13:58 | yes and no : he already uses a hacked koha version | |
| 13:58 | (with holidays & news, that I have ported to cvs) | |
| 13:58 | it's better than argentinian team : he submit what he did. | |
| 13:59 | and he is very kind to help me when I ask | |
| 13:59 | kados | excellent |
| 13:59 | maybe could you ask him to share his zebra code? | |
| 13:59 | so we can compare it to what we already have? | |
| 13:59 | paul | ok |
| 14:32 | thd | kados: you should have the file now |
| 14:32 | paul | i leave too. |
| 14:32 | (search with zebra works. I just have problems with ... encoding !!!) | |
| 14:32 | thd | kados: I hope I have excluded enough subfields |
| 14:32 | kados | thd: got it |
| 14:33 | paul | but it may be my XML build, i'll investigate tomorrow morning |
| 14:33 | bye american friends. | |
| 14:33 | thd | good bye paul |
| 14:33 | kados: I have a question about exclusion behaviour | |
| 14:35 | kados | thd: still too slow I think |
| 14:35 | thd: about 45 seconds to load the page | |
| 14:35 | thd: and very slow to respond to page tabs | |
| 14:35 | thd: ask your question | |
| 14:35 | thd | kados: I have assumed that if not editor and collapsed is populated the value is populated in a collapsed subfield. |
| 14:36 | kados | thd: that's correct |
| 14:37 | thd: are you taking about -5? | |
| 14:37 | thd | kados: I have also assumed that if editor and collapsed is populated then the populated value appears uncollapsed. |
| 14:37 | kados | if collapsed is populated the populated value will be collapsed |
| 14:38 | thd | so y3es the first case could be -5 |
| 14:38 | kados | regardless of !editor or editor |
| 14:38 | thd | kados: I think that the desirable behaviour would be as I described and you should consider changing it |
| 14:39 | kados | thd: !! |
| 14:39 | thd: but that's how I had it the first time | |
| 14:39 | thd: you have every option available to you | |
| 14:39 | thd: just pick the one you want | |
| 14:39 | thd | so that collapsed functions differently between editor and not editor |
| 14:39 | kados | thd: no ... collapsed is independent from editor !editor |
| 14:40 | *if (odd) { collapsed } | |
| 14:40 | *if (even) { !collapsed } | |
| 14:40 | thd | kados: there is no option for this behaviour now as you are describing it |
| 14:40 | kados | that's the rule |
| 14:40 | sure there is | |
| 14:40 | if you want !editor and !collapsed use -6 | |
| 14:41 | if you want !editor and collapsed use -5 | |
| 14:41 | phone | |
| 14:42 | thd | kados: I want collapsed when the subfield is important enough to be included in the editor but not used all the time yet I want to see it open if I have filled one of those important ones with a value. |
| 14:43 | kados: at the same time I want to hide the legacy stuff in a forced collapse for not editor. | |
| 14:44 | kados: so the distinction would be that not editor is a forced collapse while editor has only a conditional collapse for having no value yet. | |
| 14:45 | kados: does that make sense? | |
| 14:45 | kados: I think that would be rational and maximally efficient behaviour for working with the data. | |
| 14:47 | kados: I thought of that shortly after you went to sleep but did not want to disturb you because we both needed rest. | |
| 14:50 | kados: ping me when you are off phone | |
| 14:51 | kados: I am back to removing subfields from editor | |
| 14:59 | kados | thd: it's true that distinction isn't currently possible |
| 14:59 | thd | kados: did my suggestion above make sense? |
| 14:59 | kados | thd: and it won't be |
| 14:59 | thd: it's too complex and requires too many new cases | |
| 14:59 | wait ... | |
| 14:59 | I'm wrong | |
| 14:59 | it already is included | |
| 15:00 | thd | kados: really |
| 15:00 | kados | no ... I'm wrong again :-) |
| 15:01 | thd | kados: i think that is highly desirable behaviour |
| 15:01 | kados | thd: we'll make sure it's in 3.0 then |
| 15:01 | thd: I have no more time to work on this feature | |
| 15:01 | thd: too much else to do | |
| 15:01 | thd | kados: let me know when you are back from lunch |
| 15:01 | kados | thd: let me know when the revised framework is ready |
| 15:01 | thd | ok |
| 16:56 | kados: I sent an updated set of subfield exclusions | |
| 17:19 | kados | thd: the new one takes about 14 seconds to load |
| 17:19 | thd: much better | |
| 17:19 | thd: but still quite slow :-) | |
| 17:19 | thd: i need to get the addfield working | |
| 17:20 | thd: maybe this weekend I'll have time | |
| 17:20 | thd: I'll load the new file into the liblime demo | |
| 17:20 | thd | kados: I can still take out more from the editor |
| 17:21 | kados: at this point I will have to take out some of the fun fields | |
| 17:22 | goodbye fun fields hope to see you again soon | |
| 17:25 | kados | thd: for the liblime demo I'm running mysql 4.018 |
| 17:25 | thd: I had to adjust seealso to be 255 (as that's the max for that in 4.0) | |
| 17:25 | thd: also had to remove the utf8 charset | |
| 17:27 | thd | kados: 255 will break the functionality derived from the large values as it had before when the content is arbitrarily truncated. |
| 17:27 | kados | yea, I suspected as much |
| 17:27 | I'll need to upgrade mysql on that machine ... maybe tonight | |
| 17:28 | thd | kados: try changing the type to TEXT instead of VARCHAR(255) |
| 17:28 | kados | k |
| 19:33 | thd | kados: I have only a modest improvement so far. I need to go to Brooklyn now. |
| 19:34 | kados | ok, have fun :/ |
| 05:02 | osmoze | hello all |
| 05:12 | pierrick | hi #koha |
| 05:12 | paul | hello |
| 05:14 | pierrick | bébé rétablit ? |
| 05:14 | paul | oui, tout à fait. |
| 05:14 | 2 bonnes nuits ! ca va mieux... | |
| 05:15 | + un génie qui a résolu les pb utf8, alors la, c'est le pied. | |
| 05:18 | pierrick | mouarf... regardes un peu : http://forum.phpwebgallery.net[…]topic.php?id=6014 |
| 05:18 | 2 bonnes nuits, c'est cool ça. | |
| 05:27 | bref, les problèmes d'UTF-8, c'est la mode en ce moment, et tant que toutes les applications n'y seront pas passé, les problèmes subsisteront :-/ | |
| 06:49 | paul | pierrick ? |
| 06:49 | j'ai un pb sur les notices que je relis de zebra : | |
| 06:52 | si je les enregistre dans un fichier après les avoir lues, elle semblent être en utf-8. | |
| 06:52 | mais à l'affichage, j'ai des , à la place des lettres, pb typique d'une chaine iso8859-1 affichée en utf-8 je crois. | |
| 06:52 | pierrick | on retombe donc dans le même problème, mais on change de backend |
| 06:52 | paul | j'essaye de remettre le binmode pour voir... |
| 06:53 | pierrick | quoique... si tu enregistres en utf-8 dans le fichier, on a donc de l'utf-8 manipulé par Perl, le backend n'a plus d'importance |
| 06:53 | paul | tu as la syntaxe exacte du binmode ? |
| 06:53 | binmode(STDOUT, ":utf8"); | |
| 06:54 | gagné : | |
| 06:54 | si je remets le binmode : | |
| 06:54 | pierrick | ça marche avec le binmode ??? |
| 06:54 | paul | * ce qui vient de mySQL n'est plus bon |
| 06:54 | * ce qui vient de zebra est OK | |
| 06:54 | pierrick | on est mal alors ! |
| 06:54 | paul | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]pl?biblionumber=5 |
| 06:54 | (test/test devrait marcher) | |
| 06:55 | pierrick | qu'est ce qui vient de Zebra exactement ? |
| 06:55 | osmoze | question, j ai suivit l install sur windows, j ai une erreur : No such files or directory: couldn't spawn child process /koha/opac-cgi/opac-main.pl Une voie a me donner pour resoudre cela ? |
| 06:56 | paul | pas de bol, hdl est absent jusque demain... |
| 06:57 | "riding" est plutôt "driving" en fait. Il est à Chambéry, chez un client. | |
| 06:57 | pierrick : Search.pm > get_record | |
| 06:57 | (faut le MARC::File::xml en v 0.82 | |
| 06:57 | ) | |
| 06:58 | mais je crois l'avoir. | |
| 06:58 | tiens, question con : comment je peux vérifier facilement ce genre de choses ? | |
| 07:00 | pierrick | paul: c'est une question pour me tester ou c'est une vraie question ? |
| 07:00 | paul | (non vraie question) |
| 07:00 | pierrick | perl -e 'use MARC::File::XML; print MARC::File::XML->VERSION, "\n";' |
| 07:00 | paul | OK, 0.82 |
| 07:01 | pierrick | tiens, je suis en 0.81 |
| 07:01 | paul | ca pourrait être utile de faire une chtite page qui récapitule tout ca dans Koha : les versions des paquetages installés. |
| 07:01 | Je vais voir ca tout de suite. | |
| 07:01 | pierrick | un peu comme versions.pl que j'ai écrit pour tester l'utf-8 ? ou la page about tout simplement |
| 07:02 | paul | about.pl tout simplement ! |
| 07:02 | pierrick | (tu me laisses le faire ça ? c'est facile :-) |
| 07:02 | paul | zyva. |
| 07:02 | pierrick | (sans vouloir faire uniquement ce qui est facile) |
| 07:03 | paul | je veux le commit dans 30mn ;-) |
| 07:03 | pierrick | arf |
| 07:03 | paul | petite suggestion : |
| 07:03 | misc/Install.pm contient déjà la liste de ce qui est obligatoire. | |
| 07:03 | il faut y rajouter les paquetages suivants : | |
| 07:03 | pierrick | (oui, mais obsolete il me semble) |
| 07:04 | paul | MARC::File::xml (0.82), MARC::Charset (0.95), Class::Accessor (0.22), LWP::Simple and XML::Simple |
| 07:04 | pierrick | j'ajoute la version de Zebra aussi |
| 07:04 | paul | très bonne idée. |
| 07:04 | affiche juste la liste avec les numéros de versions. | |
| 07:04 | + Smart::Comments | |
| 07:05 | pierrick | lance le chrono |
| 07:05 | paul | 11H05... |
| 07:39 | osmoze | 11h39... |
| 07:41 | pierrick | (ouais, ouais ça va ;-) |
| 07:41 | osmoze | ;) |
| 07:42 | paul | ne te presse pas, il reste 4mn. |
| 07:42 | ah, non, 3. bon alors presse toi un peu... | |
| 07:45 | pierrick | (y'a un truc que je ne sais pas faire en Perl, je consulte mes bookins...) |
| 08:02 | paul | Search.pm/get_record : |
| 08:02 | $raw is correct utf-8 | |
| 08:03 | but $record is no more | |
| 08:03 | the my $record = MARC::Record->new_from_xml($raw, 'UTF-8'); | |
| 08:03 | is the origin of the problem. | |
| 08:03 | investigating... | |
| 08:03 | [paulbureau head]$ perl -e 'use MARC::Charset; print MARC::Charset->VERSION, "\n";' |
|
| 08:03 | 0.95 | |
| 08:03 | [paulbureau head]$ perl -e 'use MARC::Record; print MARC::Record->VERSION, "\n";' |
|
| 08:03 | 2.0 | |
| 08:03 | [paulbureau head]$ perl -e 'use MARC::File::XML; print MARC::File::XML->VERSION, "\n";' |
|
| 08:03 | 0.82 | |
| 08:04 | pierrick | Net::Z3950 does not offer VERSION... |
| 08:04 | paul | shame, but not a problem : it will be useless in 3.0 |
| 08:04 | (replaced completly by Perl-zoom) | |
| 08:18 | pierrick | at last, I've commited |
| 08:19 | designed to be easy to add modules | |
| 08:19 | paul | on head ? |
| 08:19 | pierrick | of course |
| 08:19 | osmoze | bye |
| 08:19 | pierrick | bye bye osmoze |
| 08:19 | paul | bye |
| 08:20 | farpait. | |
| 08:20 | juste 2 suggestions : | |
| 08:20 | * mettre un titre au tableau ! | |
| 08:20 | * mettre les paquetages dans l'ordre alpha | |
| 08:26 | pierrick | (c'est tout avant que je commit ?) |
| 08:33 | commit done | |
| 08:40 | tiens c'est bizarre, je recois par mail la notification de mon second commit mais pas du premier !!! | |
| 08:49 | paul: about coding presentation guidelines, I won't answer on fr.comp.lang.perl but on koha-devel. But before doing this, I'd like to read the discussions you had several months ago... Can you tell me when to search in the archives ? | |
| 08:59 | this thread I suppose http://lists.nongnu.org/archiv[…]-05/msg00078.html |
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