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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:35 | thd | kados: ping |
| 12:36 | kados | thd: hi |
| 12:36 | thd: what's up? | |
| 12:37 | thd | kados: chase dismissed |
| 12:37 | kados | thd: congrats |
| 12:37 | thd: you must be relieved | |
| 12:37 | thd | kados: yes |
| 12:37 | paul | what means "chase dismissed" ? |
| 12:38 | (hello thd) | |
| 12:38 | (hello owen too) | |
| 12:38 | thd | kados: avoid court in Newark, NJ at all costs |
| 12:39 | paul: hello, I am out of gaol and prosecution for contempt of court in Newark, New Jersey. | |
| 12:41 | kados: I cannot resubscribe koha alinto.com to the koha-devel list. |
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| 12:42 | kados: Messages were bouncing when I had not checked them just and my mailbox quota became overfilled. | |
| 12:42 | kados | thd: I can add you manually |
| 12:43 | thd | kados: The system claims that I am already subscribed. |
| 12:46 | kados | thd: ok ... should be fixed |
| 12:47 | thd: there was a flag for your email address because of too many bounced messages | |
| 12:47 | thd | kados: can you ensure that kohaalinto.com is subscribed to all koha Savannah lists. |
| 12:48 | kados: I was checking lawyers all the time not Koha mail and everything bounced after 6 Jan. | |
| 12:50 | kados: Apparently that flag cannot be reset externally. Is that something that you control or is it a bug. | |
| 12:50 | ? | |
| 12:52 | kados | thd: looks like kohaalinto is subscribed to every list except koha-win32 and koha-zebra |
| 12:52 | thd: not a bug | |
| 12:54 | thd | kados: could you subscribe me to those lists, including cvs. I have certainly not been receiving anything from savannah. |
| 12:55 | kados | thd: you're subscribed to all except koha-win32 and koha-zebra ... please subscribe yourself to those lists as I'm quite busy :-) |
| 12:57 | thd | kados: I have re-subscribed myself to koha-zebra but there seems to be a bug if you do not see kohaalinto.com in the subscription list. |
| 13:07 | kados | T-MINUS ~3 HOURS TO ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING |
| 13:07 | thd: might just take some time to update the list | |
| 13:08 | thd: and you _are_ listed | |
| 13:08 | thd: but you're not subscribed to koha-win32 | |
| 13:09 | thd | kados: koha-devel had even sent me a message informing me that I was still subscribed without indicating a problem when I attempted to resubscribe. |
| 13:10 | kados | thd: best thing to do is make sure your email doesn't bounce :-) |
| 13:11 | thd | kados: Hard to do from gaol :) |
| 13:11 | kados | hehe |
| 13:12 | thd | kados: It was actually some commits of large files to cvs that put me over the quota, otherwise all should be fine. |
| 13:14 | kados: If there is a bug, it would be nice to prove it, the Savannah people seem very responsive and have recently added a couple of admins. | |
| 13:17 | kados: I can only see the outside half of the issue so that I cannot prove the bug myself alone. | |
| 13:17 | kados | I recently adjusted the quota on koha-cvs |
| 13:17 | so let me know if it happens again | |
| 13:18 | for now, I'm too busy to worry about savannah bugs :-) | |
| 13:18 | unless it becomes a serious problem for everyone | |
| 13:18 | thd | kados: what do you mean by quota in this context? |
| 13:18 | kados | which, so far as I can tell, it's not |
| 13:18 | thd: message size limit | |
| 13:19 | thd | kados: OK, what happens now when the message exceeds what limit? |
| 13:20 | kados | thd: for all practical cases, there is no limit now |
| 13:22 | thd | kados: I should de anonomise myself to reduce the hazard. I have been setting a few things up on my domain to prepare for that. |
| 13:47 | osmoze | hello |
| 13:47 | paul | hello |
| 13:47 | ta démo s'est bien passée ? | |
| 13:47 | osmoze | je pense oui :) |
| 13:48 | j'attend un retour de Francis maintenant | |
| 13:48 | paul | plein de portscans sur les ports 6880-6999 aujourd'hui... |
| 13:48 | bizarre... | |
| 13:48 | c'est les ports du p2p ces trucs là sauf erreur. | |
| 13:48 | osmoze | mais après reflexion, il faut etre fou pour rester chez A**** |
| 13:48 | paul, de msn pour la cam aussi | |
| 13:48 | paul | y aurait il un virus/ver en cours de promenade. |
| 13:49 | ah, ok, alors il doit y avoir une nouvelle faille exploitée ;-) | |
| 13:49 | osmoze | je pense :) |
| 13:50 | J ai cru comprendre que Francis te contacterai dans les prochains jours, peut etre t en dira t il plus | |
| 15:00 | kados | T-MINUS 60 MINUTES UNTIL KOHA ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING |
| 15:00 | AGENDA: http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06jan30 | |
| 15:07 | hi slef | |
| 15:07 | slef | hi kados |
| 15:47 | kados | so should we get started a bit early chris? |
| 15:47 | cause you're a major player here :-) | |
| 15:48 | chris | i just edited the wiki a little |
| 15:49 | yeah, unfortunately I have other meetings to go too :( | |
| 15:49 | but on the plus side, they are about koha | |
| 15:49 | |hdl| | hdl here. |
| 15:49 | But paul wil be late. | |
| 15:49 | He asked me to excuse him | |
| 15:50 | chris | be back in about 5 mins |
| 15:51 | |hdl| | paul won't be much late |
| 15:54 | kados | chris: ping when you get back |
| 15:58 | hey sanspach | |
| 15:58 | sanspach | hello |
| 16:01 | kados | OK ... well my clock reads 11:01 |
| 16:01 | so who's here? | |
| 16:01 | thd | here |
| 16:01 | paul | hello world |
| 16:01 | kados | hi paul |
| 16:02 | thd | still out of gaol |
| 16:02 | kados | still waiting for chris I think |
| 16:02 | slef | kados: aye |
| 16:02 | paul | lot of ppl tonight |
| 16:03 | kados | welcome everyone ... |
| 16:03 | here's our agenda: | |
| 16:03 | http://www.saas.nsw.edu.au/koh[…]ndAndNotes06jan30 | |
| 16:04 | paul: while we wait for chris, could you summarize what you've done so far? | |
| 16:04 | paul | on HEAD you mean ? |
| 16:04 | kados | yep |
| 16:04 | paul | (writing with baby near me... any typo is not mine ;-) ) |
| 16:04 | SO : | |
| 16:04 | kados | hehe |
| 16:04 | chris | back |
| 16:05 | paul | * code cleaning, 2 steps : |
| 16:05 | chris | for about 45 mins |
| 16:05 | paul | - moving some scripts to a more logic directory |
| 16:06 | kados | paul: specifically, perl-zoom related stuff ... |
| 16:06 | paul | - rewriting some C4 packages to : get rid with useless subs, normalize others and move others |
| 16:06 | * Perl ZOOM : | |
| 16:06 | kados | paul: where are we at with perl-zoom integration? are there still some problems encountered? |
| 16:06 | paul | I can't make Perl ZOOM work correctly. |
| 16:06 | 2 problems remains : | |
| 16:06 | - search in CQL don't work | |
| 16:07 | - Extended services don't work well for me either | |
| 16:07 | when I try to have a key defined | |
| 16:08 | recordId: (bib1, Identifier-standard) in zebra.cfg I mean | |
| 16:08 | does not work. | |
| 16:08 | Thus i'm stuck and can't go further. | |
| 16:09 | in HEAD, C4/Biblio could be moved to zebra in less than 1 hour I bet when i'll have zebra working | |
| 16:09 | kados | so as of yet, have you sucessfully updated a zebra database with new records using Perl-ZOOM (at all?) |
| 16:09 | or this problem is preventing it? | |
| 16:09 | paul | yes, but only without recordId, thus only add works. modif don't |
| 16:09 | kados | I see |
| 16:10 | ok ... thanks paul | |
| 16:10 | paul | + I can't really test, as I can't query the DB correctly ! |
| 16:10 | kados | right |
| 16:10 | so hopefully chris or the Index Data guys can shed some light on these problems | |
| 16:10 | paul | I strongly hope ! |
| 16:11 | kados | do we need to send another email to koha-zebra explaining them? |
| 16:11 | (I can send if it would help) | |
| 16:11 | paul | I think we should write one to remind some questions are still unsolved. |
| 16:11 | but nothing new in fact ! | |
| 16:11 | kados | right |
| 16:11 | paul | (jeremie going to bed) |
| 16:11 | I can summarize all my problems if you want. | |
| 16:12 | kados | that'd be great |
| 16:12 | paul | (+ commit some non working code) |
| 16:12 | kados | thanks, that will help alot |
| 16:12 | chris | that would be good paul |
| 16:12 | paul | for CQL search, the main problem is a yaz-zebra-zoom config problem I think. |
| 16:12 | there are a lot of doc from indexdata, but in 3-4 different pieces. | |
| 16:13 | kados | yep |
| 16:13 | paul | hard to solve the puzzle when you begin |
| 16:13 | kados | anything else on this topic? |
| 16:13 | paul | not from me. |
| 16:13 | kados | ok ... then we can move on ... |
| 16:13 | Perl Packages | |
| 16:13 | mainly Date::Manip ... | |
| 16:14 | I think we all agree that we've got to get rid of Date::Manip for proc-sensitive operations | |
| 16:14 | paul | I have asked a french newsgroup about this |
| 16:14 | chris | yes |
| 16:14 | kados | paul: did you get a response? |
| 16:15 | paul | yes : going to Datetime |
| 16:15 | from Paul Gaborit, THE perl mongueur in France | |
| 16:15 | kados | right |
| 16:15 | paul | thus, i bet it's the way to go |
| 16:15 | kados | anyone object to that idea? |
| 16:15 | chris | Date::Manip has its place in things like reports |
| 16:15 | nope Damian Conway suggested Datetime too | |
| 16:16 | kados | great ... ok so let's do that then ... next question ... who? :-) |
| 16:16 | chris | ill do it |
| 16:16 | thd | Date::Calc |
| 16:16 | kados | great ... thanks chris |
| 16:16 | paul: did you add MARC::XML to the agenda? | |
| 16:16 | paul | no. But it's a good idea ! |
| 16:17 | kados | we should see some commits soon to MARC::Charset and MARC::File::XML |
| 16:17 | paul | (maybe I did it in fact...) |
| 16:17 | my opinion is that XML is the way to go. | |
| 16:17 | chris | cool |
| 16:17 | kados | prompted by some complaints I submitted to Ed Summers |
| 16:17 | paul | and MARC::XML is the natural tool to manage iso2709 files. |
| 16:18 | kados | there are some political problems with the maintainers of the MARC modules |
| 16:18 | I don't know the history, but I suspect we might see a fork | |
| 16:18 | :( | |
| 16:18 | paul | (could you explain a little bit more) |
| 16:19 | thd | kados: what fork are you expecting? |
| 16:19 | kados | well, off the record, I think Ed Summers (who maintains MARC::File::XML and MARC::Charset) is upset with Andy Lester (who maintained MARC::Record) |
| 16:19 | I don't know any of the details | |
| 16:19 | but I know they're not speaking at the moment | |
| 16:20 | shedges | who maintains MARC::XML? |
| 16:20 | paul | ok, that's enough for me. |
| 16:20 | ed | |
| 16:20 | kados | hopefully this won't cause any problems in the interoperability of the modules |
| 16:20 | shedges: is there even a MARC::XML anymore? | |
| 16:20 | paul | no, when I wrote MARC::XML, I speak of MARC::file::XML in fact |
| 16:20 | kados | I think it's been moved to MARC::File::XML |
| 16:20 | paul | I explain : |
| 16:20 | thd | these disagreements never make any sense to meet |
| 16:21 | s/meet/me | |
| 16:21 | paul | with MARC::File::XML, you can read/write XML files in a MARC::Record. |
| 16:21 | thus, you can go XML in Koha very easily. | |
| 16:21 | kados | right |
| 16:21 | so there is a unicode-friendly version of MARC::Record on SourceForge ... the CPAN version isn't unicode friendly | |
| 16:22 | I've been bugging Andy about that ... hopefully he'll update CPAN soon | |
| 16:22 | something else to keep in mind | |
| 16:22 | paul | a MARC::Record from Ed or andy ? |
| 16:22 | kados | andy |
| 16:22 | well ... andy et al | |
| 16:22 | chris | on the topic of perl modules |
| 16:23 | thd | what about creating a class for koha modules on CPAN? |
| 16:23 | chris | who here uses Smart::Comments ? |
| 16:23 | thd | Packaging distributions would be much easier. |
| 16:23 | kados | not me |
| 16:23 | chris | ok, its a great tool for debug |
| 16:23 | use Smart::Comments; | |
| 16:24 | then if i type | |
| 16:24 | slef | thd: new installer would be better, then MakeMaker and it will package easily anyway. |
| 16:24 | chris | ### $var |
| 16:24 | it gets output | |
| 16:24 | then when im finished testing, i comment out use Smart::Comments | |
| 16:24 | kados | cool |
| 16:24 | chris | and it goes back to being a comment |
| 16:25 | paul | does it work with HTML::Template ? |
| 16:25 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~dconwa[…]Smart/Comments.pm |
| 16:25 | paul | or in log ? |
| 16:25 | chris | in the log |
| 16:25 | paul | ok, so it's H::T compatible. |
| 16:26 | chris | yep, just a little tip, handy for debugging |
| 16:26 | kados | I'm all in favor of it |
| 16:26 | so ... getting back to M::R and M::F::X ... anything we need to decide on that? | |
| 16:26 | slef | yuck, executable comments |
| 16:27 | chris | if you dont like them, dont use them |
| 16:27 | its only a development tool | |
| 16:28 | the other module ive found useful lately is want | |
| 16:29 | thd | kados: Nothing to decide until people start creating XML records to large to convert back to MARC. |
| 16:29 | chris | but we can talk about that one another time |
| 16:29 | kados | thd: don't we already have that problem at some libraries? |
| 16:30 | thd | kados: yes we may have :) |
| 16:31 | kados: We need to find the precise threshold of when size breaks MARC. | |
| 16:31 | kados | IIRC it's 9999 chars |
| 16:31 | paul | it's 9999B iirc |
| 16:31 | kados : you won ;-) | |
| 16:31 | kados | :-) |
| 16:31 | paul | and the problem is that MARc::Record don't cut a too long MARC::Record when exporting in iso2709 |
| 16:31 | slef | chars != bytes (welcome to unicode) |
| 16:32 | paul | but set size to something stupid |
| 16:32 | kados | good point slef ... |
| 16:32 | thd | kados: I was working on that problem till I was caught in a certain municipal court disputing US$1.25 |
| 16:32 | paul | I won : it's 9999 Bytes ! |
| 16:32 | kados | so paul wins then :-) |
| 16:32 | chris | heh |
| 16:32 | ok I have 10 mins more then i have to go | |
| 16:33 | kados | ok ... wanna talk about modperl then |
| 16:33 | chris | right, im about to start work on getting koha to place nice under mod_perl and mod_perl2 |
| 16:33 | paul | we should speak of what chris will work on don't we ? |
| 16:33 | kados | yep ... mod_perl(2) and new serials then |
| 16:33 | chris | i hope to clean some stuff as I go, like paul was doing |
| 16:34 | kados | cool |
| 16:34 | thd | paul: what counts for bytes, all data when expressed as an ISO2709 format? |
| 16:34 | chris | the serials spec is being read by a few libraries |
| 16:34 | kados | everyone note that mod_perl2 is different than mod_perl 1.9998 which is what debian is calling mod_perl2 |
| 16:34 | and they changed the namespaces so it does matter what version you have | |
| 16:34 | chris | once we have collated their comments, and made some changes, work on the serials module will start |
| 16:35 | it will be built around the work on serials that has already been done | |
| 16:35 | thd | kados: etch has broken my Postgres |
| 16:35 | paul | I plan to add a small feature in serials, in 2.2.6 |
| 16:35 | chris | but extended to meet a few more requirements, and with system preferences to allow libraries to choose what features they need |
| 16:35 | paul | it's auto creation of an item when recieving |
| 16:36 | chris | excellent |
| 16:36 | we need that | |
| 16:36 | owen | 0078936 |
| 16:36 | slef | kados: what's actual deb package name? |
| 16:36 | paul | owen ? is it your password ? |
| 16:36 | or your bankcard secret code ? | |
| 16:36 | kados | is anyone working on serials routing? |
| 16:36 | slef | slef: libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 16:36 | chris | we will be, if no one else is |
| 16:36 | paul | there's already something in HEAD on this subject |
| 16:36 | quite simple, but working. | |
| 16:37 | you can define a routing page, that can be printed. | |
| 16:37 | chris | cool |
| 16:37 | paul | it contains borrowers selected from borrowers or entered manually |
| 16:37 | chris | right, we'll probably extend that a bit too |
| 16:37 | paul | it does not handle following a serial |
| 16:37 | kados | slef: it might be: libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 16:37 | chris | a client is paying for the serials work, and routing is the major thing they want |
| 16:38 | slef | kados: debian has libapache2-mod-perl2 2.0.2 in testing, should be a simple apt-get source --build |
| 16:38 | kados | slef: yep, I was just alerting debian users that stable mod_perl2 is not mod_perl2 :-) |
| 16:38 | slef | http://packages.qa.debian.org/[…]e2-mod-perl2.html |
| 16:38 | chris | as part of the mod_perl stuff |
| 16:39 | ill have to check every part of koha works under it | |
| 16:39 | kados | yep |
| 16:39 | chris | so I hope to squash some bugs at the same time |
| 16:39 | slef | kados: aye, looks like upstream's release dates coincided badly |
| 16:39 | kados | last time I checked there were some weird problems with mod_per2 and circ |
| 16:39 | chris | or at least, get mason and bob to squash them for me |
| 16:39 | kados | though I did get the OPAC working fine |
| 16:39 | heh | |
| 16:39 | ok ... so all good there ... | |
| 16:40 | anything more about serials or mod_perl? | |
| 16:40 | chris | not from me |
| 16:40 | kados | ok ... lets hit on Database ... |
| 16:40 | paul: you added this I assume? | |
| 16:40 | paul | yep. |
| 16:40 | thd | I would say something but I have not kept up this past month |
| 16:41 | I have not caught up yet :) | |
| 16:41 | kados | so I am happy with the idea of constraints |
| 16:41 | paul | I just wanted to say that I'va added constaints in DB schema |
| 16:41 | + move to innoDB | |
| 16:41 | kados | nice job there paul |
| 16:41 | chris | ok i better go catch a bus .. ill read the log |
| 16:41 | and email any things i think of | |
| 16:41 | kados | ciao chris ... read you soon |
| 16:41 | paul | i'm not afraid with Oracle buying innoDB company. |
| 16:41 | slef | paul: what does koha do if a constraint is violated? |
| 16:42 | kados | i was gonna ask about that |
| 16:42 | paul | as innnoDB is GPL unless i'm missing something. |
| 16:42 | it depends. | |
| 16:42 | most constraints are CASCADE | |
| 16:42 | meaning : if you delete the parent data, all childs are deleted too | |
| 16:42 | kados | slef and thd, you are our IP experts ... any probs using InnoDB in a GPL project like Koha that you can forsee? |
| 16:43 | paul | some are RESTRICT, meaning deleting a parent is forbidden when a child exists |
| 16:43 | and a few are SET NULL, meaning, the childs are set to nULL when parent deleted. | |
| 16:43 | thd | what license does InnoDB have? |
| 16:43 | paul | SET NULL are for issues, not to drop issues when a borrower is deleted : we keep the issuing record, anonymous |
| 16:43 | slef | kados: checking |
| 16:44 | paul | RESTRICT are for constraints like branches >> items. |
| 16:44 | you can't delete a branch if an item exists on it. | |
| 16:44 | would be quite dangerous to set cascade here ;-) | |
| 16:45 | sanspach | why not RESTRICT for borrower >> issues ? |
| 16:45 | kados | right |
| 16:45 | paul | because we can't delete issues ! |
| 16:45 | shedges | "The GNU GPL license, under which both MySQL and InnoDB are published, does not allow, without a permission from MySQL AB and Innobase Oy, linking of InnoDB and MySQL, or the client libraries of MySQL, to a product which you distribute but which does not itself satisfy the GNU GPL license." |
| 16:45 | slef | kados: http://www.innodb.com/licenses.php says "The GNU GPL license, under which both MySQL and InnoDB are published [...]" = no problem AFAICT |
| 16:45 | shedges | http://www.innodb.com/licenses.php |
| 16:46 | paul | CASCADE or SET NULL are valid possibilityes, but RESTRICT is a bad idea I think |
| 16:46 | kados | hehe |
| 16:46 | slef | shedges: have you seen /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/copyright though? Not happy. |
| 16:47 | paul | (should be somewhere else, but where ?) |
| 16:47 | thd | shedges: Is that GPL 2 or a later version at the recipient's option? |
| 16:47 | slef | paul: I hear mandriva put their copyright files in /dev/null ;-) |
| 16:48 | kados | slef: what about future releases of innodb ... do we need to worry about them not being GPL? |
| 16:48 | thd | shedges: this has become important now that there is a draft of GPL 3 |
| 16:48 | slef | kados: if it ever changes, I'd expect someone will probably fork mysql |
| 16:49 | kados | ok ... so we do need to keep our eyes on what Oracle's doing with innodb |
| 16:49 | shedges | thd: the page links to GPL 2 |
| 16:49 | kados | but in the meantime, I suppose we should move forward with it |
| 16:49 | as it's a much better storage engine | |
| 16:49 | paul | and say "mysql could not delete what you wanted to delete blabla" |
| 16:50 | kados | right |
| 16:50 | thd | shedges: what is the exact link? |
| 16:50 | paul | I'm OK to continue managing the DB schema in the future. |
| 16:50 | kados | we definitely need good error handling with the constraits |
| 16:50 | shedges | http://www.innodb.com/gpl.txt |
| 16:50 | kados | great, thanks paul |
| 16:50 | anything more on the databases or innodb stuff? | |
| 16:50 | paul | ;-) |
| 16:50 | kados | paul: :-) |
| 16:51 | paul | nope. Except i'll take a look at innoDB tweaks/config files |
| 16:51 | kados | ok ... great |
| 16:51 | paul | to see what to do to improve perfs. |
| 16:51 | i'll write the result on the wiki | |
| 16:51 | kados | if we need to discuss the licensing stuff lets start a thread on koha-devel |
| 16:51 | next is programming templates | |
| 16:51 | owen can wake up now :-) | |
| 16:52 | paul | owen... time to leave your bed ;-) |
| 16:52 | derelict ??? | |
| 16:52 | kados | hehe |
| 16:52 | slef | thd: looks like version at time of publication only http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]introduction.html |
| 16:52 | owen | ...But paul has been taking up the slack |
| 16:52 | paul | a last note on DB : |
| 16:52 | DB constraints requires mySQL 4.1 | |
| 16:53 | this is important I think | |
| 16:53 | (even if every every major distro now provides it) | |
| 16:53 | kados | right |
| 16:53 | I'm ok with that | |
| 16:53 | a last note on mod_perl2: it requires apache2 | |
| 16:54 | unless I'm mistaken | |
| 16:54 | |hdl| | but won't be required for Koha to work |
| 16:54 | kados | right |
| 16:55 | ok ... so programming templates | |
| 16:56 | at some point, hopefully soon, we're going to start designing some official Koha templates right? | |
| 16:56 | paul | hopefully. |
| 16:56 | and I won't be the designer, for sure ;-) | |
| 16:57 | owen | I thought Katipo was going to work on a design for us |
| 16:57 | kados | hi si |
| 16:57 | si | morning all |
| 16:57 | paul | hi si |
| 16:57 | (not really morning for us, but hello even) | |
| 16:57 | kados | si: do you know if katipo plans to work on a new template design for 3.0? |
| 16:57 | si | paul: quite |
| 16:57 | kados | si: that Owen can code? |
| 16:58 | si | I'd imagine we are |
| 16:58 | but I'll check with the oracle (russ) who's just walked in the door | |
| 16:58 | thd | slef shedges: from http://www.innodb.com/gpl.txt "you have the option of following the terms and conditions either of that version or of any later version published by the Free Software Foundation" look for this text it is now important |
| 16:59 | si | thd: it's important to remeber that's in the informatiuon about the license, not the license itself |
| 16:59 | russ | kados : yes i think we will be doing templates |
| 16:59 | kados | great ... so I'm assuming we'll know more about that in a couple of weeks when chris is almost done with perl-zoom stuff :-) |
| 16:59 | ok ... anything else to talk about regarding templates? | |
| 17:00 | paul | nope. |
| 17:00 | except that we have 2 possibilities: | |
| 17:01 | - katipo defines a design that changes only a few PROG code. That should be possible because owen design + my improvements makes them really versatile | |
| 17:01 | - katipo defines a design when Koha 3.0 is aalmost here | |
| 17:01 | as it's really hard to update 2 sets of templates. | |
| 17:02 | I tried, on 2.0 with en/fr, before the great translator tool knocks | |
| 17:02 | and owen could confirm I bet | |
| 17:02 | kados | good point paul |
| 17:02 | ok ... lets move on to the installer | |
| 17:02 | slef: can you update us on that? | |
| 17:03 | owen | We didn't really decide on paul's two possibilities |
| 17:03 | russ: any thoughts on those two options? | |
| 17:03 | paul | (we don't have, owen. katipo will tell us the way they want to follow) |
| 17:04 | russ | sorry i compeltely forgot about this meetng |
| 17:04 | slef | kados: the new installer is there, but the basic mechanics need some work and I most of all need a current INSTALL instructions |
| 17:04 | kados | heh |
| 17:04 | russ | i need to way up the pros and cons with the team |
| 17:04 | owen | That's fine...as long as the ball is in the right court! :) |
| 17:04 | paul | slef : "there" ? do you mean you have it or it is commited ? (I didn't saw anything on cvs on this subject) |
| 17:05 | kados | slef: I think the closest thing to that we have is a couple of email I sent last month |
| 17:05 | (or was it in late November) | |
| 17:05 | slef | kados: do you have links handy so I can add them to comments? |
| 17:05 | thd | what were paul's two possibilities? sorry for being behind. |
| 17:05 | slef | paul: there's an old version committed... I need to commit the latest changes |
| 17:05 | kados | slef: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/h[…]-12/msg00013.html |
| 17:06 | slef: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/h[…]-12/msg00015.html | |
| 17:06 | paul | thd : defining templates as late as possible, or defining them now, but using prog basis. |
| 17:06 | kados | slef: well , that thread anyway |
| 17:07 | slef | kados: thanks. Leaves me unpicking the 2.2.4 installer still, sadly. |
| 17:07 | paul | slef : could you point me what you're speaking of ? |
| 17:07 | (in cvs ) | |
| 17:07 | kados | yep, less than ideal, but not too bad if you've got the koha dirs symlinked to CVS |
| 17:07 | slef | paul: koha/Makefile.PL |
| 17:08 | paul | ok, thanks |
| 17:08 | slef | if anyone can fill in the right module versions, please do |
| 17:08 | kados | so slef can you commit what you've done ... and we can take a look and talk about it at next meeting? |
| 17:09 | or on koha-devel | |
| 17:09 | slef | kados: ok |
| 17:09 | I'll mail koha-devel once it's in | |
| 17:09 | shedges | does the new installer handle MySQL 4.1 (no password() function)? |
| 17:09 | kados | ok ... Fix budget-based acquisitions is a chris thinkg |
| 17:09 | slef: thanks | |
| 17:10 | |hdl| | will there be a Windows inwtaller too ? |
| 17:10 | kados | user reviews is a chris thing too |
| 17:10 | thd | before we leave installer may I ask about CPAN class for Koha? |
| 17:10 | kados | I see 'plan approach for Feb' on the agenda |
| 17:10 | slef | |hdl|: can't Windows perl use MakeMaker? |
| 17:11 | kados | slef: what do you think about having Koha on CPAN? |
| 17:11 | slef | thd: what are the benefits? |
| 17:11 | kados: I think maybe get MakeMaker working and then look again. | |
| 17:12 | thd | slef: I have spoken with Debian project leaders who recommend that for simplifying Debian packaging |
| 17:12 | slef | |hdl|: same boat as me. I assume moving to MakeMaker won't make Windows installers harder anyway. |
| 17:12 | thd: far be it from me to contradict other developers, but that sounds odd. | |
| 17:13 | thd | slef: It keep the namespace clear when there is a universally recognised class. |
| 17:13 | slef | thd: the main problems with a koha.deb are 1. getting the dependencies packaged and 2. finding a Maintainer. I'll be an Uploader if anyone is willing to be Maintainer. |
| 17:13 | thd | for the modules to use |
| 17:14 | slef | thd: ah, I think I see what you mean. Move C4 to either Koha or to Koha::C4 ? |
| 17:14 | thd | exactly |
| 17:14 | slef | thd: now that bit I can see the point of! Yes, please! |
| 17:15 | thd | It should be an easy change unless someone knows of a problem |
| 17:15 | slef | I can only think of the cvs directory layout and sheer number of places to change |
| 17:15 | kados | yea, it would be a pain |
| 17:16 | but might be worth it in the longrun | |
| 17:16 | paul: do you have an opinion on this? | |
| 17:16 | thd | paul: any problem with running a regex on the code to create a koha class |
| 17:16 | kados | I'd be happy to maintain the CPAN |
| 17:16 | paul | in fact, i'm not sure to understand what is suggested here |
| 17:16 | kados | and might even be convinced to upload it :-) |
| 17:16 | thd | paul: what is the opposite? |
| 17:16 | slef | kados: let's try to get into shape in that way, then revisit? |
| 17:17 | kados: s/in that way/ready for upload/ | |
| 17:17 | paul | letting things as it (I mean for C4 package) |
| 17:17 | kados | paul: we're talking about moving all Koha perl modules into a Koha:: class |
| 17:17 | paul: and having Koha::C4:: | |
| 17:17 | paul: then we can upload Koha to CPAN | |
| 17:17 | paul | OK, thus I understood. |
| 17:17 | kados | slef: sounds like a plan |
| 17:17 | anything else to discuss? | |
| 17:17 | paul | what is not clear is : is Koha::C4 useful for someone else than us ? |
| 17:18 | slef | paul: non-web frontend writers, if I'm dreaming. |
| 17:18 | paul | if not, then I don't understand why it's a good idea |
| 17:18 | kados | slef: yea, that'd be great! |
| 17:18 | getting it out on CPAN can't hurt | |
| 17:18 | paul | right. |
| 17:18 | thd | paul: maybe not but it makes packaging for binary distribution much easier when the namespace for the modules is clear and in CPAN |
| 17:19 | slef | kados: it could. Might end up with stale code up there (sourceforge?) |
| 17:19 | paul | ok, I'm not a monger here, so i will follow your opinion |
| 17:19 | stale ? | |
| 17:20 | kados | slef: so we'd have to make sure we maintained it |
| 17:20 | slef: I can definitely commit to that | |
| 17:20 | thd | paul: old or out of date but I have no knowledge of any problems updating to CPAN |
| 17:20 | kados | ok ... if there's nothing else, |
| 17:20 | thanks everyone ... | |
| 17:20 | while you're still here ... | |
| 17:20 | any problems doing this again next Monday? | |
| 17:21 | thd | Monday is good |
| 17:21 | kados | paul: work for you? |
| 17:22 | I'll try to get a summary out later today | |
| 17:22 | paul | should be OK for me |
| 17:22 | kados | great ... hopefully chris will be ok with another early monday |
| 17:22 | thd | I will try to be up to date by next Monday :) |
| 17:22 | paul | bye bye thus |
| 17:22 | kados | ciao paul |
| 17:23 | thd | I have a months worth of work to catch up to |
| 17:23 | goodbye paul | |
| 17:24 | |hdl| | bye folks. |
| 17:24 | slef | hdl: bye, A+ |
| 17:24 | thd | good evening hdl_away |
| 17:25 | goodbye slef | |
| 17:27 | kados: I am going to treat my re-subscription after bouncing messages problem as a bug and forward it to the Savannah maintainers unless you have information otherwise. | |
| 17:28 | kados | thd: it's not a bug |
| 17:28 | thd: don't bother them | |
| 17:29 | thd | kados: kados I do not want to bother anyone but the system clearly informed me that I was still subscribed when I could no longer receive messages after I attempted to re-subscribe. |
| 17:30 | kados | thd: it's fixed now, so don't worry about it |
| 17:31 | thd | kados: If you say so :) |
| 17:32 | kados: I should soon subscribe a non-anonymous address but even that would not guarantee never bouncing. | |
| 17:34 | slef | can we boot that list @googlegroups? |
| 17:34 | thd | slef: what list? |
| 17:34 | slef | freesoftgooglegroups - if I post to koha-devel, I get a bounce from them |
| 17:35 | It's because google has banned *@*.coop | |
| 17:35 | thd | slef: I do not understand what is banned. |
| 17:35 | slef | here, let me paste some of the email I get: |
| 17:36 | You do not have permission to post to group freesoft. You may need to join the | |
| 17:36 | group before being allowed to post, or this group may not be open to posting. | |
| 17:36 | Visit http://groups.google.com/group/freesoft/about to join or learn more about | |
| 17:36 | who is | |
| 17:36 | allowed to post to the group. | |
| 17:36 | [end quote] | |
| 17:36 | every bloody time I post to koha-devel | |
| 17:36 | I wish people would wise up about google... http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/google | |
| 17:36 | richard | it is really annoying to get those bounces |
| 17:37 | slef | richard: oh, does everyone get them? |
| 17:37 | I thought it was the googlegroups ban on .coop again. | |
| 17:37 | richard | i do and i saw an email from someone else complaining about them too |
| 17:38 | slef | biabb, dinner |
| 17:41 | russ | next monday is superbowl? |
| 17:41 | shedges | SUNDAY! (here, anyway) |
| 17:41 | russ | ah of course |
| 17:42 | thd | slef: now I understand about what you meant. |
| 17:44 | russ: whenever a significant part of the world is paying attention to a sporting event that just seems like an ideal opportunity to for me to get more work done. | |
| 17:54 | russ | thd : fair enough |
| 17:56 | thd | russ: If chess tournaments were broadcast there was a time when i might have payed attention. However, the idea of a broadcast chess tournament is laughable :) |
| 21:47 | kados | anyone around? |
| 21:52 | thd | kados: I am still around |
| 21:53 | richard | hi |
| 21:59 | thd | kados: has chris fixed normal acquisitions in 2.x? |
| 23:40 | kados: are you still there | |
| 23:40 | ? | |
| 23:51 | kados | thd: sort of |
| 23:53 | thd | kados: are you placing a dependency on a particular DB flavour in Koha 3.0? |
| 23:58 | |hdl|: Did you see the question I just asked kados? | |
| 05:04 | osmoze | bonjour |
| 05:18 | paul_away | (hello osmoze |
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