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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:30 | kados | w |
| 12:30 | heh ... not vi ;-) | |
| 14:05 | hdl | shaun around ? |
| 14:09 | kados | hdl: to your knowledge does the 'exact' radio button work with Koha 2.2.3 MARC searching? |
| 14:13 | I just checked ... the answer is no | |
| 14:13 | shaun | hdl: yep |
| 14:13 | hdl | but we had problems with adding criteria. |
| 14:14 | Shaun : when wilt the frnch version be issued ? | |
| 14:15 | I would like either to have look at it before it is. | |
| 14:15 | An probably would paul too. | |
| 14:15 | shaun | hdl: i'm not sure - paul said earlier about www.koha-fr.org being updated to match my design, but i'll have to talk to you/paul and russ at the same time to work out the translation procedure for the main site |
| 14:17 | hdl | We could make our site a replica of yours with Kea... But I couldn't find Kea sources. And then use rsync or anything else to make a replica. |
| 14:17 | But sure, this need talk. | |
| 14:18 | The fact is that we find it useful to have hands on our version. | |
| 14:19 | That gives us the opportunity to adapt to our audience. | |
| 14:20 | Would there be a way to edit french pages for us ? | |
| 14:21 | shaun | if it was as a part of the main (www.koha.org) website, of course - kea has permissions |
| 14:21 | hdl | Wouldn't it be cool if we could be mirrors ? |
| 14:22 | kados : adding a fourth or more criterium ends up in error. | |
| 14:22 | kados | ? |
| 14:22 | hdl: fourth or more what? | |
| 14:22 | shaun | it would be good to have some international mirrors - one in america and one in france could really improve things |
| 14:22 | kados | I think mirrors are planned |
| 14:23 | I'd like to host one as well | |
| 14:23 | hdl | kados :in cat search, add criteria. |
| 14:23 | kados | shouldn't be too difficult but it should wait until after Katipo's conference ;-) |
| 14:23 | hdl: do you know why? | |
| 14:24 | hdl | kados shaun : So mirrors shall wait a bit. But let me know. I am in charge of Koha(s french netserver. |
| 14:25 | kados : mysql error. | |
| 14:25 | kados : but ain't got no logs ? | |
| 14:27 | kados | hdl: I tried searching for keyword, title, author, subject and series title (on a record I know exists) and it seems to work ok |
| 14:27 | hdl: what I'd like to know is how can we search for an exact phrase like in author "Lewis, C.S." | |
| 14:27 | hdl: I think Koha 2.2.x cannot do this but tell me if I'm wrong | |
| 14:30 | hdl: I think the only search Koha can do now is 'Lewis% AND C% AND S%' because we're doing an AND search on marc_word table | |
| 14:31 | hdl: and marc_word only has single words | |
| 14:31 | hdl: (but I suppose we could add a search for marc_subfield_table that searched for phrases ... but I think it's not worth it since we'll be moving to Zebra soon anyway) | |
| 14:33 | hdl | Yes, it joins paul's remark : |
| 14:34 | he said he wondered if we should go on adding features, since a third version is on the way. We should focus on debugging. | |
| 14:34 | kados | I agree |
| 14:34 | hdl | And not make any new dev. |
| 14:34 | He asked it to the french clients. | |
| 14:34 | Becaus they must aggre too :) | |
| 14:35 | kados | :-) |
| 14:42 | thd | shaun: are you there? |
| 14:46 | kados: Do I understand correctly that phrase searching does not work in 2.2.3? | |
| 14:46 | kados | thd: correct |
| 14:46 | thd: in fact, I don't see an option for phrase searching ;-) | |
| 14:46 | thd: do you have one? | |
| 14:47 | shaun | thd: now i am |
| 14:48 | thd | kados: No, I write generically. Well, fixing that would not be adding a new feature as hdl may have suggested against, but fixing a bug :) |
| 14:49 | kados | thd: I like that in theory |
| 14:49 | thd: but I think that approach is impractical | |
| 14:49 | thd: since we're already moving towards Zebra which will the 'the right way' to go | |
| 14:49 | thd: no sense in polishing the brass on a sinking ship ;-) | |
| 14:50 | thd: or polishing the turd ;-) | |
| 14:50 | thd | shaun: paul had noticed earlier that the new site has no bgcolor for body, therefore, text appeared on a grey background in his browser. |
| 14:51 | kados | looking back, we should have implemented marc_word searching for generic searching and marc_subfield_table searching for phrase searching |
| 14:51 | but there's no sense in doing that now ;-) | |
| 14:51 | shaun | thd: it's fixed now - russ hasn't given me trigger permissions though, so it won't appear in the site until he checks it |
| 14:52 | kados | owen: wow ... we're wrong |
| 14:52 | owen: check out the advanced search in the intranet | |
| 14:52 | owen: the MARC search has 'exact' and it works like a charm | |
| 14:53 | thd | kados: I agree, just making the logical point. It is a nice turd though. Nevertheless, the time-line for 3.0 should not be expected to be extremely short. |
| 14:54 | shaun: Thanks :) | |
| 14:56 | kados: Does that mean that the template for the OPAC is wrong? | |
| 15:01 | owen | kados: ? |
| 15:01 | You mean under 'More fields' ? | |
| 15:02 | thd | owen: I have been noticing in my review of Koha features that the NPL templates break as much as they provide additionally. I have not attempted to document which features work with which templates, as some do not work with any. If you experimented with authorities in the default template, you should find that they can be made to work, you must know that the NPL templates are missing something important for authorities. |
| 15:03 | owen | Until I have a proper understanding of how authorities work, I am unable to template them properly |
| 15:05 | thd | owen: I managed to get them to work. Next week if I have some time, I would be happy to try and write an explanation for you. hdl was very patient with me in my experimentation :) |
| 15:06 | owen: They are very nice, although, much nicer with the prepackaging in UNIMARC Koha. | |
| 15:08 | owen | If you write something up, I can add it to the online help screens |
| 15:10 | thd | owen: The worst problem with the authorities in Koha, such as they are now, is lack of proper documentation. |
| 15:14 | owen, kados: so is the issue about phrase or exact searching in Koha simply a problem with the OPAC templates that can be corrected with the code by using the correct code from the intranet templates? | |
| 15:48 | shaun | damn, i'm not going to catch russ now, it's saturday in NZ |
| 16:00 | chris | you might catch him, but i doubt it shaun, hes probably packing, we head off down south today |
| 16:00 | can I help shaun? | |
| 16:00 | if you need somethign triggered, i can do that | |
| 16:01 | just let me know what file/files | |
| 16:03 | thd | chris: when is a currency conversion rate set for an order? |
| 16:04 | shaun | chris: yep, screen.css |
| 16:04 | cheers | |
| 16:04 | chris | done shaun |
| 16:05 | shaun | chris: any chance i could get triggering permissions? i've got a few patches yet to do unfortunately |
| 16:06 | chris | done |
| 16:07 | shaun | thank you |
| 16:07 | chris | thd: this is in full acquisitions right? well the way it used to work (i think it still does, we are still testing/fixing it for 2.2.x) was when you created/edited a supplier you entered in what currency you order in |
| 16:07 | thd | chris: I have not been able to test when the conversion rate is set myself because of nonworking acquisitions implementations at the critical point. |
| 16:07 | chris | you set the conversion rate yourself |
| 16:08 | it doesnt automatically update | |
| 16:09 | or you can set up a cron job which fetches the rates from a site, and updates the db | |
| 16:09 | thd | chris: even full acquisitions on the 1.92 Koha demo on koha.org fails with a tell chris screen at some point in receiving :) |
| 16:09 | chris | yep, the last known good full acquisitions was 1.2.3 |
| 16:09 | hlt use it pretty much everyday | |
| 16:10 | but we are busy fixing it in 2.2.3 for them, so they can upgrade | |
| 16:10 | so it should be all working again soon | |
| 16:10 | thd | chris: what I am asking about is what happens to orders that have not been received when I change the conversion rate in parameters. |
| 16:10 | chris | ahh nothing thd |
| 16:10 | thd | ? |
| 16:10 | chris | it doesnt apply the conversion until you receive them |
| 16:11 | thd | chris: and then the conversion is fixed for that order but still floating for open orders? |
| 16:12 | chris | thats right |
| 16:12 | thd | chris: what about a partial order receipt? What happens for the conversion rate for the order in that case? |
| 16:13 | chris | it'll get applied for the items received, and the replacement price on the item table will have that, its still technically floating for any items outstandingy |
| 16:13 | -y | |
| 16:15 | thd | chris: Can the projected budget use the conversion rate? |
| 16:16 | chris | yep, i think it may actually, the projected budget is drawn from the estimated price .. which if i remember rightly is the converted rate when the order is placed |
| 16:16 | thd | chris: I mean while the order is still open, does the conversion rate affect the projected budget? |
| 16:17 | chris | not at the moment, it could tho, we could change it so that it stores the estimated price in the currency of the order (instead od the local currency) |
| 16:17 | and apply conversions when showing the budgest | |
| 16:18 | would be a simple change, but currently no, it reflects the converted price at the time of the order, so when its received, it may end up costing more/less than you estimated (even without conversions this happens:-)) | |
| 16:26 | thd | chris: Is the notice about this number should be close to the real one for last significant digit rounding errors with the tax rate on partial order receipts? |
| 16:28 | chris: I can bother you about this question at some other time. | |
| 16:29 | chris: Good luck at catching more business during the conference. | |
| 16:33 | shaun | open question: what purpose does downloading koha from katipo (see www.koha.org/download/) serve? it seems to make it more confusing than necessary, and it isn't up-to-date, and it's expensive for katipo... |
| 16:34 | thd | chris: I now expect to have the partial feature list submitted by late tomorrow. The text is about completed but I have to do the mark-up. If Irma and rach have a chance to look, maybe they will find it well enough to there liking to trigger it. |
| 16:37 | shaun | thd: mark-up isn't a problem imo, nothing's the same on any two pages atm |
| 16:38 | thd | shaun: The download leads to a 404 page for me. That is certainly not very up to date. But what did you mean about it not being up to date. |
| 16:38 | shaun | thd: didn't realise it was that bad - but previously it only went up to 2.2.2, for example |
| 16:43 | thd | shaun: I have written the feature list as one large text file thus far. I still have to add a little more to include links to the docs; supply list tags for the outline; break it down into several nested pages in relevant directories; debug everything; see if it actually looks somewhat readable which it certainly is not as one giant file; and try to get some sleep. |
| 16:44 | shaun | mmm, sleep :-) |
| 16:47 | thd | shaun: Maybe tomorrow night is too ambitious, but I have done the hardest part. So the rest looks easy now :) It would serve more purposes than merely a feature list so it has been a fair amount of work. I would like to get more sleep but I would also like it to be available for use during the conference if it may be helpful. |
| 16:52 | shaun: I have forgotten about sleep this week and that cannot have helped my work. Just me trying to do the impossible and hoping that it would be realisable in the time constraint :) I had not thought that learning the features that I had not examined would take so long. Broken templates have not accelerated my process of discovery. There was not enough error time tolerance in my schedule :) | |
| 16:54 | shaun | (i'm glad i'm mostly doing design) - i wouldn't have thought that it would be so complicated either |
| 17:09 | thd | shaun: sorry, disconnected |
| 17:10 | shaun | thd: np |
| 17:14 | thd | my post has not been posting. Must be a flood issue. |
| 17:18 | shaun: I deliberately made features into a large multiple use project. My original intent for volunteering for features and FAQ had largely been to ensure that my knowledge was complete and up to date and that those parts would at least have the best chance that I could give them. I understand that Koha generally and the web site in particular has suffered from a lack of time that people have had to work on it. | |
| 17:18 | . | |
| 17:18 | shaun: My ambitions for the FAQ are modest: 20 more main questions or so and some enhancements should save me and others from answering them over and over again on the koha list. More to the point, good FAQ should definitely avoid some user frustration with some of the more troublesome recurring Koha complications. In addition to clarifying the unfamiliar. | |
| 17:19 | shaun | katipods: just noticed, .htaccess does not have correct permissions (i can read it here), and the links are all at http://koha2.katipo.co.nz/ instead of http://www.koha.org/ |
| 17:24 | thd | shaun: Had you seen the large text I just posted before or does logbot report correctly that it never made it to the channel? |
| 17:25 | shaun | thd: i got two blocks and in the middle, "thd: ." |
| 17:25 | thd | s/channel/channel previously/ |
| 17:28 | shaun: But did you get a similarly worded text several minutes ago without the block divisions? I had tried to post it twice before, originally just after you posted, "i wouldn't have thought that it would be so complicated either." | |
| 17:28 | shaun | thd: nope |
| 17:29 | thd | shaun: The post would only show up on logbot when I divided it into blocks. |
| 17:29 | shaun | thd: that's how i get them in xchat |
| 17:31 | thd | shaun: I never used IRC before a year ago. I only learnt the /me command quite recently. I have not had a chance to get in trouble with it yet:) |
| 17:39 | shaun: Are you suggesting that X-Chat is simply not posting a large text post without informing me rather than the channel refusing it? | |
| 17:39 | shaun: I am using X-Chat. | |
| 17:40 | shaun | thd: afaik, IRC was never designed for long messages, so it could well be the server |
| 17:43 | thd | shaun: The client should insert a linefeed automatically when the text is too long perhaps there is a setting I can adjust. I never grew up learning to communicate in abbreviations :) |
| 17:45 | shaun: Although I know that my thoroughness or verbosity can be offputing in the short attention span world, where people have no time to consider context and detail. | |
| 17:48 | shaun: What is your involvement with Koha independent of the website? | |
| 17:49 | shaun | thd: i would usually communicate eloquently, but real-time chat is, in my opinion, informal enough to use abbreviations - especially considering most people here will know what i'm talking about anyway |
| 17:51 | thd: i first got into it because i'm working on a redhat-based linux distribution for use in the education sector and needed a library system released under GPL or similar | |
| 17:52 | thd: i've since been involved with my school, convincing them to use it above a proprietary, mainstream ILS | |
| 17:52 | thd | shaun: I struggle in the culture of abbreviations for common phrases as opposed to the conventional abbreviations used in printed documents :) Years ago I would struggle to interpret IMHO and such but they still stop me when I see them. |
| 17:53 | shaun: What type of school is yours that you are trying to convince? | |
| 17:54 | shaun | thd: so, i'm working on "anything that ain't perl", trying to know the code better, and i would like to see the default templates improved, too (i worked on that for a while) |
| 17:54 | thd: a high school, http://www.dhsb.org | |
| 17:55 | thd | shaun: I have yet to learn HTML::Template. |
| 17:58 | shaun: So I have been largely working on functionality in a way that is less tightly integrated to see it working at all for later integration. I reduce the learning pace required significantly and can debug without involving Koha code. | |
| 18:00 | shaun: What ILS does your school use now? | |
| 18:00 | shaun | thd: Alice by Softlink |
| 18:01 | thd: if they won't switch to koha, they will use Oliver, the web-based equivalent of Alice by the same company | |
| 18:01 | thd: i'm making an effort to learn perl, as i would like to be involved with the koha suite and the stocktake system | |
| 18:03 | thd: now that i've cleared up what i was doing on the koha site, i'm afraid i have to go | |
| 18:05 | g'night |
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