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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 18:07 | thd | russ: did you see my email messages? |
| 20:40 | russ: are you present | |
| 20:40 | ? | |
| 20:41 | russ | hi thomas |
| 20:41 | thd | hello |
| 20:43 | russ: I would like to add a different structure to the feature list than the one provided. | |
| 20:44 | russ: I do not believe that I have the right permissions to add pages that are not already there though. | |
| 20:44 | russ | can you describe it to me? |
| 20:44 | that may be the case - i'll check | |
| 20:45 | nope you have new file and new folder privs | |
| 20:45 | thd | I have spent a large part of yesterday working on the features list. It is still unfinished but a much longer document than should be placed into the provided divisions. |
| 20:46 | russ | ok can you describe it? |
| 20:47 | thd | The primary document should include everything current and forthcoming features. There need not necessarily be a link to it itself. |
| 20:48 | russ: That document is then subdivided into the following major sections. | |
| 20:49 | russ: preliminary features: such as supported operating systems, databases, and standards | |
| 20:49 | russ: acquisitions | |
| 20:49 | russ: cataloguing | |
| 20:50 | russ: circulation | |
| 20:51 | russ: patron management might go under circulation, otherwise that is another section. | |
| 20:51 | russ: OPAC is already present | |
| 20:52 | russ | are you doing a broad overview for this page - http://new.koha.org/about-koha[…]atures/index.html ? |
| 20:52 | i think going into more detail is fine | |
| 20:52 | but i dont think we should bury people with information either | |
| 20:52 | thd | under: yes the broad overview comes after trimming down the details. |
| 20:54 | russ | ok it all sounds fine to me - well fine without having seen what you have written yet :-) |
| 20:54 | you should be able to make a new page with your privs | |
| 20:54 | do you want me to walk you through how to do that now? | |
| 20:55 | thd | russ: People should not be buried. If it is broken down sufficiently they will not feel buried even if there is a lot of information. |
| 20:56 | russ: I just assumed that my user did not have the privileges to create new pages. | |
| 20:56 | russ | nope you have the privs you need |
| 20:58 | cool let me know once you are logged in and i will walk you through it | |
| 20:58 | the kea interface needs some work, so it isnt obvious what you need to do | |
| 21:02 | thd: are you logged in? | |
| 21:04 | thd | russ: yes, I created a new folder. |
| 21:04 | russ | ok right - will that folder have more than 1 page in it? |
| 21:04 | thd | russ: I am uncertain about the right template for a new page. |
| 21:05 | russ | ok two secs so you have entered a file name? |
| 21:05 | thd | russ: index.html |
| 21:05 | russ | cool |
| 21:05 | "Plain Style" is the one which will give you a page that looks like the rest on the site | |
| 21:05 | the news ones are used only by the new engine | |
| 21:06 | and the other template there is the FAQ page one | |
| 21:06 | thd | russ: OK, yes i would intend to have more the one file in the folder. Is there something important to know for that case? |
| 21:07 | russ | you'll just need to understand how the auto navigation for the lhs works |
| 21:07 | kea will automatically add in each page to the lhs | |
| 21:08 | thd | russ: 'lhs'? |
| 21:08 | russ | left hand side |
| 21:09 | for any given page, it will link to the other pages in that folder, plus the index.html page of any subfolder | |
| 21:10 | thd | russ: Do directories appear as directory names in the LHS? |
| 21:10 | russ | no |
| 21:10 | the page title for the index.html for that directory is used | |
| 21:12 | thd | russ: And the other pages appear under the names of their titles as in the common CMS convention? |
| 21:12 | russ | yep |
| 21:12 | there is space to enter a short name for navigation if the page titles is very long | |
| 21:12 | you can do that through edit content | |
| 21:13 | the auto nav defaults to alpha order as well | |
| 21:13 | thd | russ: Oh so that is what that box is for :) |
| 21:13 | russ | you can change the order by changing the priority of a page |
| 21:13 | 1 goes to the top etc | |
| 21:13 | one thing to note though is that sometimes it doesnt generate the autonav properly - it is a random bug | |
| 21:14 | if that happens for you please let me know | |
| 21:14 | there is a work around | |
| 21:14 | thd | russ: One thing that is in the stipulation for the features list is problematic to implement well. |
| 21:16 | russ: There is a stipulation to link features to the demo. I am also linking to kohadoc.org. | |
| 21:16 | russ: The problem is with the demo. | |
| 21:16 | russ | yep - dont have one set up yet |
| 21:16 | i need to talk to chris and kados about that | |
| 21:17 | thd | russ: I had raised this issue with chris and kados months ago. |
| 21:17 | russ: The demo needs to be at least three demos: non-MARC, MARC 21, UNIMARC. | |
| 21:18 | russ | right |
| 21:18 | i am not sure there is time to do that right now | |
| 21:18 | so for the moment i think leaving those links out might be the best way | |
| 21:19 | thd | russ: They need to have some good default settings with a populated database, Ideally replicated from existing users with private information expunged. |
| 21:21 | russ | yep - i'll add that to the notes. I would like to have something that refreshes every week or so, so that we can clear out bad settings etc automatically |
| 21:21 | thd | russ: A cron script needs to purge and reinstall the database once a night or so after people are done making the database unusable for the day :) |
| 21:22 | s/purge/drop/ | |
| 21:22 | russ | i am thinking that once a night is probably too frequent, as it wont give people a chance to see some of the processes that take a little more time in action |
| 21:22 | thd | russ: That is true. |
| 21:22 | rach | and don't forget we all have different "nights" :-) |
| 21:23 | so one persons middle of the night is someone elses middle of the day | |
| 21:23 | thd | russ: As long as it is frequently enough that it is usually not broken at any given time, as it has been too often in recent years. |
| 21:24 | russ | i agree - we are thinking along the same lines |
| 21:24 | but as far as the content for your features section goes | |
| 21:24 | i think it would be best to leave the links out for the moment | |
| 21:24 | we can add them in later | |
| 21:24 | once we have the demo's sorted out | |
| 21:26 | thd | rach: The world clock is familiar. Pick the best night time for the most likely koha users and announce the database refresh schedule on the demo section so people are not stunned with a disappearing database :) |
| 21:27 | russ | thd : anything else you want of me? |
| 21:28 | thd | russ: I am only half way through the content writing at the moment. |
| 21:29 | russ | right - if you can please do a general overview of the features first, i would like to send the site live at the end of this week |
| 21:29 | thd | I would like to know abut a standard ILS feature that I have not identified in Koha. |
| 21:29 | russ | i figure we can add more detail later on |
| 21:30 | thd | russ: I will be finished enough to have the whole thing before the end of the week. Yes, we can always rewrite, correct, etc. it is the web after all. |
| 21:31 | russ | cool - i better go - i have another meeting |
| 21:31 | let us know how you get on | |
| 21:32 | thd | russ: I wish the content editor allowed plain HTML posting without the rich editor that would work from any browser. That should be easy enough to implement. |
| 21:32 | russ | click the <> button in the editor |
| 21:32 | it takes you to source editing | |
| 21:33 | thd | russ: You cannot get that far in some browsers. |
| 21:34 | russ | right - it uses alot of javascript so you need a nice modern browser |
| 21:34 | works fine in firefox | |
| 21:34 | 1.0 and above | |
| 21:34 | thd | russ: I was for several days at a location where I would be unable to post or update any content because of no browser access. |
| 21:35 | russ: Now that I am back home I see that it works. However, ti should be possible to update content from anywhere without special browser requirements. | |
| 21:35 | russ | well that would be nice |
| 21:36 | but unfortunatley to get the features many ask for, we have to go this way | |
| 21:36 | i have give you edit source privs | |
| 21:36 | so you can go in through there | |
| 21:39 | thd | russ: It should be possible to have a direct to source link in the content editor that allows bypassing the rich content editor, which is the only problem. That would be easier to avoid the possibility of accidents changing the wrong part of the page. |
| 21:40 | russ | sounds like a feature and is a good suggestion |
| 21:40 | but not something that we can accomodate at this time | |
| 21:40 | thd | Inventory taking is a standard feature in other ILS systems. I do not know how this is implemented in Koha if it is. Can any one tell me? |
| 21:41 | russ | ah i think it may be |
| 21:41 | one moment | |
| 21:43 | thd: /cgi-bin/koha/reports/inventory.pl | |
| 21:43 | it is there | |
| 21:44 | nventory/Stocktaking | |
| 21:44 | Select items you want to check | |
| 21:44 | thd | This is meant to compare actual material found on the shelves and on loan inventory with the Koha inventory record as part of an annual manual inventory process. |
| 21:44 | russ | most ppl just set up a stocktake branch and use branch transfers to wand all the times into it |
| 21:44 | then once all the items on the shelf are in stocktake .. you can see whats left that koha thinks is elsewhere | |
| 21:46 | but i really dont know too much about that side of things | |
| 21:46 | maybe a question to the list would help out there? | |
| 21:47 | thd | russ: Thank you. That should be in kohadocs somewhere. I have not experimented much with reporting and circ. |
| 21:48 | russ: Is there a batch means for transferring everything back to the correct branches from the stocktake branch in your example? | |
| 21:49 | russ | no idea sorry |
| 21:50 | thd | russ: That would not be a good state in which to leave a production Koha database :) |
| 21:51 | russ: I will compose a question for the list later if I do not see an obvious solution, | |
| 21:52 | russ | cool |
| 23:56 | thd | Does Kea have symlinks? |
| 00:36 | rach | in what context? |
| 00:37 | we have a module so that you can do apache redirects - but obviously that depends on tieing it in with apache | |
| 01:05 | thd | rach: I would like to have /features/forthcoming/circulation point ot the same location as features/circulation/forthcoming for example. |
| 01:11 | rach: This gives people multiple paths to navigate to the same content. | |
| 01:14 | rach: I will fill the content twice. If you like the way it is presented, the redundancy can be eliminated using apache redirects to require updating in only one place. | |
| 01:35 | rach | that doesn't sound like a good idea to me |
| 01:35 | why wouldn't you just have 2 links that point to the same page? | |
| 01:36 | have the content on one page, and have a link from wherever in the relevant other stream it needs to be | |
| 01:37 | Or if you really need 2 the content to appear twice, make the content an include, and have it just show up in 2 pages | |
| 01:38 | so that it's only updated in one place | |
| 01:39 | I wouldn't get to hung up on the minutae of that stuff, concentrate on actually getting some words down that make sense - it's your writing we're keen on | |
| 01:39 | and no doubt there will be a general | |
| 01:40 | structure bun fight if it gets too broad | |
| 03:02 | paul_away | chris around ? |
| 03:02 | paul | salut hdl |
| 03:03 | hdl | salut paul. |
| 04:37 | Sylvain | hi |
| 05:04 | hdl | hi |
| 05:04 | paul | coucou sylvain |
| 05:05 | sylvain, est-ce que ludovic est dispo aussi mercredi en début d'après midi ? | |
| 05:05 | peut être que je passerai plutôt mercredi. Il faut encore qu'Ineo me confirme leurs dispos | |
| 05:08 | Sylvain | a priori mercredi c'est bon aussi |
| 05:09 | paul | ok |
| 05:52 | chris | hi paul, im around now |
| 05:54 | ill be around for about 15 mins paul, then im off to get some sleep | |
| 08:10 | kados | morning tim |
| 08:10 | tim | morning kados |
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