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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:14 | thd | paul: what tool do you prefer to CVS? |
| 12:27 | owen: paul informs me that the warning note about items not being exported in MARC Export is there for a subtle error in the export of items. He does not remember the nature of the error. | |
| 12:34 | owen: he suggested I file a bug report. I am uncertain about filing a bug report for a bug that is not identified and well defined. However, I guess I will do so later because exporting items in a MARC record seems important. Koha should have import and export symmetry, a basic requirement of any program to which you trust your data :) | |
| 13:08 | owen | Is a branch supposed to be able to have more than one category? |
| 13:49 | thd | owen: what do you mean by category in that context? |
| 13:58 | owen | In system preferences, branches.pl |
| 16:40 | kados, have you encountered the problem with new installs that selectbranchprinter.pl has the wrong permissions? | |
| 01:34 | osmoze | bonjour |
| 02:23 | hdl | hi |
| 02:23 | paul | hi too |
| 04:02 | Sylvain | hi |
| 04:02 | paul | coucou |
| 04:03 | ce matin : synchro entre head et 2.2 en plus des commits que j'ai fait il y a quelques minutes. | |
| 04:03 | inondation de mail sur koha-cvs à prévoir d'ici peu ;-) | |
| 04:03 | Sylvain | ah, je suis en train de regarder ce qui vient d'arriver les histoires de letter.tmpl |
| 04:04 | sympa comme fonctionnalité | |
| 04:48 | paul | sylvain/osmoze/hdl, j'ai fait quelques modifs sur la feuille de style de l'OPAC |
| 04:49 | dites moi ce que vous en pensez : | |
| 04:49 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ha/opac-search.pl | |
| 04:49 | (catalogue EMN, donc "chaos" ou autres mot-clefs scientifiques renvoient des résultats) | |
| 04:49 | osmoze | ok je regarde en debut d aprem :) |
| 04:50 | paul | bon, allez, maintenant, je bosse sur la synchro 2.2 et head... |
| 04:50 | hdl | les ... sont un peu trop "carrés" |
| 04:50 | et on a perdu l'information de la position du curseur dans la page, qui était bien pratique. | |
| 04:50 | osmoze | pense à manger quand meme :) |
| 04:51 | paul | position du curseur dans la page ??? |
| 04:51 | tu parles de quoi ? | |
| 04:52 | hdl | Je parle des jolis couleurs orage pétard pour indiquer où on va taper du texte ;)))) |
| 04:52 | amha, les carrés autour des titres (résultat de recherche) sont de trop. | |
| 04:53 | de même autour des sujets. | |
| 04:54 | juste une parenthèse, le quantique des quantiques de Illya Prygogine est assez bon à lire. | |
| 04:56 | Si on arrivait à trouver un bleu plus pastel ou plus profond qui soit agréable à l'oeil, ce serait vraiment TOP. | |
| 05:02 | Les titres mériteraient d'être "plus large" | |
| 05:02 | (mais j'ai maintenant la même config que toi.... Donc pas top pour les tests)... | |
| 05:02 | Cela dit, si on pouvait fair une taille relative à l'écran et pas absolue pour les titres ce serait bien. | |
| 05:04 | Les rectangles se chevauchent dans ma config. | |
| 05:04 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]es.pl?viewshelf=8 | |
| 07:10 | paul | hdl, quand tu parles de bleu plus pastel ou + profond tu parles du quel ? |
| 07:10 | le foncé (body) ou le clair (mainbloc) | |
| 07:13 | hdl | body |
| 07:13 | paul : | |
| 07:15 | paul | tu as une suggestion à faire ? |
| 07:17 | hdl | essaie : 09549b |
| 07:19 | paul | fait, sauf que maintenant, le bleu clair ne va plus du tout. |
| 07:19 | et puis ca change vraiment trop je trouve. | |
| 07:19 | je préfèrerai une couleur qui reste proche de l'ancienne. | |
| 07:24 | hdl | et ça #1A6B89 |
| 07:25 | paul | fait, mais ca ne s'accorde pas avec le bleu clair ni avec l'orange je trouve. |
| 07:26 | tiens, un chti lien : | |
| 07:26 | http://wellstyled.com/tools/co[…]me2/index-en.html# | |
| 07:31 | là, c'est + profond, et du coup + contrasté. | |
| 07:31 | ca me plait pas mal. | |
| 07:33 | hdl | ouaip. moi aussi. |
| 07:34 | Tu as enlevé les rectangles pas beau. Et ca, ca ROX ! | |
| 07:34 | paul | tiens, regarde l'orange foncé est plus clair |
| 07:34 | ca me parait franchement mieux ainsi. | |
| 07:35 | (en fait, l'astuce, c'est de mettre gris au lieu de noir pour le border) | |
| 07:35 | hdl | Petite suggestion : Les rectangles de focus en deux fois plus gros... Il ne ressortent pas assez par rapport aux combos de liste. |
| 07:36 | Pas mal mais j'aimais bien avant... Plus de contraste... | |
| 07:36 | paul | voilà, rectangles de liste en gris comme le reste. |
| 07:38 | hdl | tiens, regarde l'orange foncé est plus clair. C'était mieux que le "marron". |
| 07:38 | paul | je sais des essais ;-) |
| 07:39 | hdl | Moi, c'est juste MON avis. Mais j'approuve les essais. |
| 07:41 | Les combos restent en relief, c'est voulu ? | |
| 07:41 | On pourrait peut-être les applatir. | |
| 07:41 | vu que tous nos boutons sont plats. | |
| 07:43 | les titres pourraientêtre couleur fond. | |
| 07:44 | paul | ca ne peut pas se faire avec une feuille de style seule |
| 07:44 | il faudrait changer du code. | |
| 07:49 | hdl | http://www.htmlhelp.com/refere[…]s/box/border.html |
| 07:50 | <paul> ca ne peut pas se faire avec une feuille de style seule <- C'était pour les listes ? | |
| 07:50 | paul | ca je connais, mais ca ne concerne que la bordure ! |
| 07:50 | c'était pour le titre en couleur fond | |
| 07:51 | hdl | C'était juste pour changer la couleur de la police des titres de façon à rappeler celle du fond. |
| 07:52 | Je comprends pouquoi NON. ;) | |
| 07:52 | C'est la page de garde. | |
| 07:54 | paul | en fait, je crois qu'on ne peut pas changer la forme des boutons radio / case à cocher et <select> |
| 07:55 | ces widgets sont du ressort du moteur | |
| 07:58 | hdl | OK. Dommage certains systèmes intègrent trois ou quatre styles de "boutons" différents. Nos navigateurs sont plus limités. |
| 08:56 | osmoze | paul, personnelement, j aimai bien le degradé :) |
| 08:56 | paul | orange -> bleu tu veux dire. |
| 08:56 | osmoze | oui |
| 08:56 | paul | le pb c'est que selon le réglage de l'écran, c'était franchement moche |
| 08:56 | osmoze | ca alleger |
| 08:56 | ah, j ai essayé qu avec le mieux | |
| 08:56 | mien | |
| 08:57 | par contre, le titre fait plus net sans le relief | |
| 08:57 | pour mon avis :) | |
| 08:57 | paul | un manque dans le css, c'est de pouvoir érirer une image sur la largeur de la boite dans laquelle elle est positionnée. |
| 08:57 | osmoze | et les onglets ronds etaient plus fun :) |
| 08:58 | paul | là, c'est TRES controversé ! |
| 08:58 | moi j'aimais bien, mais d'autres trouvaient que ca faisait pas très pro. | |
| 08:59 | osmoze | rohh ^^ |
| 08:59 | paul | bref, les coups et les douleurs, toussa... |
| 08:59 | osmoze | austere = pro ? |
| 08:59 | huhu | |
| 08:59 | de plus, il y a pas un moyen d avoir les deux cadres au meme niveau, ca, ca fait assez negligé :) | |
| 09:01 | mais c est bien plus appreciable a cote que l un au dessus de l autre | |
| 09:01 | (je pense surtout au 800x600 | |
| 09:01 | ) | |
| 09:01 | de ? | |
| 09:01 | pour les cadres ? | |
| 09:02 | j ai un decalage en bas de 0.5 cm environ | |
| 09:04 | de p lus, j aime l espace entre les onglets et les cadres | |
| 09:04 | voila pour mes avis ^^ | |
| 09:28 | bye all | |
| 09:33 | kados | morning owen |
| 09:33 | owen | Hi kados |
| 09:34 | paul | hi again owen & hi kados. |
| 09:34 | what do you think of the revised stylesheet for css opac : | |
| 09:34 | Home || Catalogue || Members || Acquisitions || Circulation || Reports || Parameters || About || Help | |
| 09:34 | Home || Catalogue || Members || Acquisitions || Circulation || Reports || Parameters || About || Help | |
| 09:34 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ha/opac-search.pl | |
| 09:35 | owen | It's looking good, Paul |
| 09:35 | kados | paul: ditto |
| 09:36 | paul | (ditto = same isn't it. But where does it comes from ? is it a shortcut for something else ?) |
| 09:36 | kados | I'm not sure |
| 09:37 | paul, owen I have an idea to bounce off you | |
| 09:38 | paul | bounce, bounce ;-) |
| 09:38 | kados | I've been looking at Keystone Digital Library Suite |
| 09:38 | indexdata.dk/keystone | |
| 09:38 | Keystone is a family of Open Source digital content management, portal management and information discovery software packaged together | |
| 09:39 | it's basically a CMS with Zebra at the back end | |
| 09:39 | and YAZ | |
| 09:40 | I'm wondering if it would be interesting to move from template management with HTML::Template | |
| 09:40 | to using an XML/XSTL based approach with Keystone | |
| 09:40 | the idea is that you have all your data coming out of Koha as XML | |
| 09:41 | so it's stripped of any presentation information -- just content | |
| 09:41 | paul | maybe a good idea, but 2.2 => 3.0 is already a major goal. |
| 09:41 | kados | then you have an XSLT stylesheet that is used to say how to handle presentation |
| 09:42 | paul | so, maybe that's enough. |
| 09:42 | kados | and Keystone does the work of handling it |
| 09:42 | paul: sure ... | |
| 09:42 | paul: but I'm thinking long-term | |
| 09:42 | paul | on the long term we won't have MARC records anymore, just XML, so that will be an evident way, imho |
| 09:42 | ;-) | |
| 09:42 | kados | paul: so maybe that's Koha 4.0 |
| 09:47 | owen | In a way I'd hate to tie us so closely with a CMS, because I feel like that brings a lot of baggage along with it |
| 09:48 | But it might make the Koha package more appealing, if it meant librarians felt like they had more control and more options | |
| 09:49 | paul | for this, i have the idea to open a "kohastyles.org" where we could store css for OPAC for 2.2.x (and later versions of course) |
| 09:49 | but i don't have the time for this ;-) | |
| 09:49 | owen | I agree, paul: it would be nice to have a resource for sharing stylesheets |
| 09:50 | paul | would be easy : a small CMS, upload a screenshot and the stylesheet. |
| 09:50 | kados | yep ... |
| 09:50 | paul | mmm... while saying it, i know how to do it... |
| 09:50 | will be on koha-fr.org in a few minuts hopefully ! | |
| 09:50 | owen | That was easy :) |
| 10:04 | tim | I just loaded biblio data on a faster server yesterday and found out the marc_word table is corrupted. Is there a way to fix that without reloading everything again? |
| 10:08 | kados | tim: yep |
| 10:08 | tim: if you check in the misc directory | |
| 10:09 | tim: you'll find a 'build_marc_words' script | |
| 10:09 | tim: you may want to edit the file a bit to match your needs | |
| 10:09 | tim: (i.e., what MARC fields you'd like searched) | |
| 10:10 | tim | Thanks kados. Do I need to empty the marc_words table first? |
| 10:11 | kados | tim: yea ... that's a good idea |
| 10:11 | tim | Thanks again. |
| 10:13 | kados | np |
| 10:40 | paul | DONE : look at www.koha-fr.org |
| 10:40 | (link OPAC style) | |
| 10:42 | ;-) | |
| 10:42 | hdl | paul : howto POST stylesheets ? |
| 10:42 | paul | to koha-fr.org ? |
| 10:42 | hdl | For our frieds, could be nice ;) |
| 10:42 | paul | frieds ? |
| 10:42 | hdl | s/frieds/friends/ |
| 10:43 | paul | i just use SPIP feature to upload image or any other file |
| 10:43 | .css is not handled, so I just renamed it .txt | |
| 10:53 | thd | kados: Are you there, I was just disconnected? |
| 10:53 | paul | should not be too far... |
| 10:53 | was here 40mn agos at least ;-) | |
| 10:56 | thd | paul: what tool did you think was better than CVS? |
| 10:56 | paul | almost all ;-) |
| 10:57 | thd | paul: which one do you prefer. |
| 10:57 | ? | |
| 10:57 | paul | I don't use daily another version manager. |
| 10:57 | so I can't say. | |
| 10:58 | I tried arch, as MJ Ray suggested. Seemed interesting. | |
| 10:58 | I also known a (very) little subvestion | |
| 10:58 | thd | paul: arch seemed the most interesting tool that I have read about but I do not have the best basis for comparison. |
| 11:00 | paul: did you or MJ Ray consider anyplace with free hosting for GPL projects using arch? | |
| 11:00 | paul | nope. |
| 11:01 | the problem with arch is that we were afraid to loose most contributors. | |
| 11:01 | (as well as any other tool than CVS in fact) | |
| 11:02 | thd | paul: contributors are more important than the tool. Unless the tool itself is fatally broken :) |
| 11:02 | paul: Nevermind my query :) | |
| 11:02 | paul: Koha needs more contributors not fewer :) | |
| 11:02 | paul | :-D |
| 11:03 | thd | kados: ping |
| 11:05 | paul: so when is koha moving to savanah? | |
| 11:05 | paul | ask kados ;-) |
| 11:06 | thd | pinging kados |
| 11:10 | owen | Nobody has decided to move to Savanah. The idea was floated. |
| 11:11 | thd | owen: I understand that. I had thought paul was intending to test Savanah. |
| 11:11 | paul | owen is right in fact. But I personnaly think it's not a too big step. |
| 11:11 | in fact, as savannah is a clone of SF, we should loose no contributors | |
| 11:12 | the main questions are : | |
| 11:12 | * who do it ? | |
| 11:12 | * how to do it ? | |
| 11:12 | thd | paul: It is based on a much earlier version of the code or had been. |
| 11:12 | paul | right, they forked when sf announced some non GPL modifs |
| 11:14 | thd | paul: You may be used to some diffeerences but maybe Savanah has had similar improvements. Otherwise the should be functionally equivalent. |
| 11:15 | paul: I had thought that you were going to test Savanah with your copy of the development tree. | |
| 11:20 | kados | thd: yere |
| 11:20 | thd: here even | |
| 11:20 | thd | kados: when is koha moving to Savanah? |
| 11:20 | kados | thd: not sure yet |
| 11:21 | thd: we've got to discuss it | |
| 11:21 | thd | kados: Of course :) |
| 11:21 | kados: The possibility needs to be tested even for possible consideration :) | |
| 11:36 | paul | ok, it's time to leave for me. |
| 11:36 | read you tommorow | |
| 11:36 | kados | paul: cya ... |
| 11:37 | owen | Bye paul |
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