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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:10 | tim | thd: If I remember right, I used my barcode numbers. |
| 12:10 | That's what I'm used to with our current system. | |
| 12:30 | thd | tim: you have to use the numbers that Koha actually uses in that dialog unless you change the template and possibly more. Those numbers should be whatever is in biblio.biblionumber. Just so you know if you delete a record and start again Koha keeps incrementing numbers and assigning new numbers as if nothing had changed. |
| 12:31 | tim | Yeah. I noticed that. |
| 12:32 | And I figured it probably wanted the biblionumber, but was thinking it would give an error instead of export everything if I used the wrong numbers. | |
| 12:32 | The biblionumbers don't go high enough to match the barcodes yet. | |
| 12:40 | thd | tim: If you like using barcodes for that purpose investigate changing the template and repot it to the koha-devel list. I would search the lists first and ask here to see if others have done something similar. Actually, a better solution would be to obtain biblionumbers using a search that could include barcode and then export those. Extra programming required but that may not be especially difficult if the export script can take a disjoin |
| 12:40 | t set of numbers instead of merely a range. That may be a more useful feature. | |
| 12:44 | tim | I'll check into that. I'll also check into changing the way I do things. It could be easier |
| 14:04 | thd | tim: Of course, if you come up with any generally useful changes to Koha, commit them back to the source head. |
| 14:06 | tim | thd: I'll need help committing it, but it's not likely I'll figure something useful out myself anyway. |
| 14:12 | kados | more power problems in Athens |
| 14:13 | thd-away | :( |
| 14:13 | :) | |
| 01:33 | osmoze | good morning kohaaaa |
| 01:33 | :) | |
| 02:06 | rach | hi ya paul as osmo|kfe |
| 02:13 | paul | hi rach |
| 02:13 | do you have a few minuts ? | |
| 02:14 | rach | yup |
| 02:14 | paul | i wanted to speak of Acquisition |
| 02:14 | rach | oh you wanted to know about how to bypass doing order/reciept wern't you |
| 02:14 | paul | beeping hdl_away too. |
| 02:14 | yep. | |
| 02:14 | & i also wanted to know what worked in 1.2 and does not work in 2.2.x | |
| 02:14 | rach | ah right |
| 02:14 | ok well I'll have to go back to see my notes but I do have some | |
| 02:15 | paul | because I chianged almost nothing (just some bugfixing) & adding some features like creating an order from a suggestion. |
| 02:15 | rach | basically was just template bugs |
| 02:15 | so easy to miss | |
| 02:16 | ok you can do an order/recieve in one action thereby bypassing actually having to recieve things | |
| 02:16 | horowhenua use this for just what you describe - when you go to the local bookshop and just get the book and put it in | |
| 02:16 | and for when they get donations of books | |
| 02:17 | paul | how to do order/recieve in 1 action ? |
| 02:17 | rach | you still have to have a supplier - but if you were customising for a library you might have a hidden supplier if that wasn't important |
| 02:17 | you pick a supplier | |
| 02:18 | and then just fill in all the fields - including barcode and the purchase price | |
| 02:18 | paul | hdl, this is interesting, read & don't hesistate to write ;-) |
| 02:18 | rach | ah that I think is one of the things that was wrong with the templates |
| 02:18 | that not all the fields were on the order page, so you couldn't do this maybe | |
| 02:18 | ros | if you have different discounts from different suppliers, it's worth putting them in as individuals |
| 02:19 | paul | hi rosalie. Nice to read you |
| 02:19 | ros | hi Paul |
| 02:19 | paul | still at the library ? |
| 02:20 | isn't it 10PM in NZ ? | |
| 02:20 | rach | So on our templates - the extra fields that you only have to fill in if you were doing the complete action, are a different colour (they had a yellow box around them) to indicate they are optional for that form |
| 02:20 | only 7.30pm | |
| 02:20 | ros | Nope, just 19.20 hours, which is time I moved on, it's true |
| 02:20 | paul | right in summer we have only 10hours diff |
| 02:21 | rach | sorry I don't think I have a screen shot which shows that clearly, but I could get you one if you like? |
| 02:21 | paul | no, I think I understand. |
| 02:22 | rach | so basically we had all the fields that you would need on the order part of the form - and the only real difference between the ordering and recieving form was that different bits became manditory |
| 02:22 | paul | (just a note : it's strange to put yellow on non mandatory fields. Usually, mandatory fields are highlighted !) |
| 02:22 | rach | yeah - it made sense at the time :-) one of the problems with the reciept forms is that the fields weren't all editable still |
| 02:22 | ros | this time I am off. Ciao |
| 02:22 | rach | see ya rosa |
| 02:23 | and I think that the main field missing was proably the item barcode | |
| 02:23 | hdl | rach : but how do you know it is an order/receive all-in-one ? |
| 02:24 | rach | http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/al[…]15/acquisitions_7 |
| 02:24 | shows it a bit | |
| 02:24 | umm sorry hdl, I'm not sure I understand the question | |
| 02:24 | chris | if the barcode is filled in, its all in one |
| 02:24 | rach | if you put in a barcode for an item, then koha should (well it did :-) know that it was not on order |
| 02:24 | but was actually in the library | |
| 02:24 | ah like chris said | |
| 02:24 | paul | hi chris |
| 02:25 | hdl | hi chris. |
| 02:25 | chris | koha makes the order and receives it all in one go, if the barcode is filled in |
| 02:25 | hi all | |
| 02:25 | rach | yep |
| 02:25 | hdl | ok. |
| 02:26 | rach | there might be tweaks you want to make, like we assumed if you had the book and were doing it this way there was no freight |
| 02:26 | hdl | Th fact is that our template doesn't have Item barcode. |
| 02:26 | rach | yes- that was one of the bugs we found |
| 02:26 | paul | chris, did you fix those problems on katipo server ? |
| 02:26 | rach | yes |
| 02:26 | and it's fixed in the templates we sent to owen | |
| 02:27 | but we weren't confident they work with your latest release - so didn't commit | |
| 02:27 | paul | you always can commit on head. |
| 02:28 | I look at everything here. and if it seems to be OK, i port it to 2.2 branch. | |
| 02:28 | hdl | If item barcode is given, you then create an item ? |
| 02:28 | paul | yes hdl. |
| 02:28 | rach | yes |
| 02:28 | paul | it should be the case when you recieve too. |
| 02:28 | if you put a barcode => create an item. | |
| 02:28 | if you don't => no item creation. | |
| 02:28 | chris | thats the one |
| 02:29 | rach | yes - so there is a bit more tricky stuff if you do recieve - we have some more checking about money for the library |
| 02:29 | and add freight | |
| 02:29 | paul | however, it uses non-MARC API, so it creates only a partial item, of course. |
| 02:29 | hdl | one cannot receive a book he didnot ask for ? |
| 02:29 | rach | yes |
| 02:30 | yes paul - that is main problem, we've never had to use it with MARC | |
| 02:30 | paul | it's not really a problem. |
| 02:30 | hdl | But i was told that sometimes, ppl would be sent books that they never ordered, as a gift or advertisement. |
| 02:31 | rach | yes - then they get put in this way, as order and reciept in one go |
| 02:31 | so that you don't have to fill in the form twice | |
| 02:31 | paul | if it's not buggy & you have mapped non-MARC fields to MARC tag/subfields, then it should create the MARC item as well. |
| 02:31 | chris | under the supplier donation usually |
| 02:31 | in the donation budget :) | |
| 02:31 | hdl | OK. |
| 02:32 | paul | it's just that it non-MARC item can be simpler as the MARC one. it's exactly the same for biblio. |
| 02:32 | when you create an order, it immediatly creates a biblio non-MARC and MARC. | |
| 02:32 | chris | yep |
| 02:32 | that would be ideal | |
| 02:33 | paul | at least the API works like this ;-) |
| 02:33 | Sylvain | salut tlm |
| 02:33 | hdl | hi Sylvain. |
| 02:33 | osmoze | bonjour Sylvain |
| 02:33 | paul | hello sylvain (speaking about acquisition with chris & rachel) |
| 02:34 | any other bug rach ? | |
| 02:34 | Sylvain | ok I'm going to look logs in order to understand ;) |
| 02:34 | rach | I had a list from rosalie |
| 02:36 | ah some you might not thing are bugs :-) | |
| 02:36 | - We'd still like a bibliographic search to be the compulsory first move | |
| 02:36 | that's for adding a new thing | |
| 02:36 | paul | that's not the case ? |
| 02:37 | rach | Receive a periodical |
| 02:37 | no there was an option on the acqui homepage to go straight to "add new biblio" | |
| 02:37 | paul | you just can clic on "add new biblio" if you are SURE that it does not exist. |
| 02:37 | rach | which I think took you to simple acquisitions even if you weren't wanting to use them or something |
| 02:37 | paul | that's a flamewar : is the librarian doing it's job well enough ? |
| 02:38 | rach | ah well yes - so horowhenua prefers not - so not a bug, more a preference :-) |
| 02:38 | paul | i never understood how "receive a periodical" wa supposed to work ;-) |
| 02:38 | rach | Receive a periodical |
| 02:38 | Receive a periodical | |
| 02:38 | Receive a periodical | |
| 02:38 | oops | |
| 02:38 | ah well it doesn't :-) | |
| 02:38 | Title search shortcircuits to New Zealand Institute of Management, as do many other screens in Acquisitions | |
| 02:38 | paul | (quite easy to add a systempref "IntelligentLibrarian" to show or hide the button ;-) ) |
| 02:39 | (as well as some other probably) | |
| 02:39 | rach | Receive an order |
| 02:39 | We'd like to continue being able to modify order details when receiving an order, by links from the receive an order screen, rather than having to go to modify an order to correct book fund, item type or round up the price, or to Edit Biblio to modify title or author. | |
| 02:39 | so that is the one about the fields no longer being active on the recieve pages | |
| 02:39 | and freight had got lost - No link to allow spreading the freight over the whole invoice | |
| 02:40 | can you read an open office spreadsheet? | |
| 02:40 | paul | you've done with bugs ? |
| 02:40 | rach | I can send you her list |
| 02:40 | paul | of course |
| 02:40 | Sylvain | this receive/order discussion in the logs is quite interesting :) |
| 02:40 | paul | (no windows here, so only OOo, no MS word) |
| 02:40 | send it to me, i'll answer on koha-devel. | |
| 02:41 | as for some features/bugs, i have things to say ;-) | |
| 02:41 | rach | on it's way |
| 02:42 | there were some more about how things were being added up (once we got some other bits working the the reciepts weren't quite right) | |
| 02:42 | but unless you use GST you might not care about them | |
| 02:42 | paul | 3 ways to remove "Windows Genuine Advantage" programm in 1 week... really lol |
| 02:42 | http://www.vnunet.fr/actualite[…]ation/20050802005 | |
| 02:42 | (french) | |
| 02:43 | security by obscurity is proven once again to be stupid ;-) | |
| 02:44 | rach | :-) |
| 02:44 | we were interviewing staff today, and asked if they spoke any french | |
| 02:44 | are there more bugs/features you want to ask me about? or just in general? | |
| 02:45 | paul | no |
| 02:45 | I have what I need on acquisitions. | |
| 02:45 | yes, another question : | |
| 02:45 | do you have a working library with 2.2.x and MARC=OFF systempref ? | |
| 02:45 | rach | yes |
| 02:45 | well we think we do :-) | |
| 02:46 | paul | with official release or a patched version ? |
| 02:46 | rach | their it department is being slow, so it is all installed at the library |
| 02:46 | but they haven't been given access to do final testing yet | |
| 02:46 | hmm - I'm not sure we need to ask chris that | |
| 02:47 | chris | back |
| 02:47 | 2.2.2 with a couple of changes | |
| 02:48 | some new reports they wanted | |
| 02:48 | paul | how many "couple" ? |
| 02:48 | chris | any bugfixes ive made ive committed to HEAD |
| 02:49 | paul | less than a dozen, not too important. |
| 02:50 | rach | we were not intendingt o change it = other than reports |
| 02:50 | paul | chris/rach : did you try to export MARC records (even if MARC=OFF) |
| 02:50 | chris | yep, seems to work fine |
| 02:51 | paul | because it should work & i would be interested to know how it work with : |
| 02:51 | 1 biblio | |
| 02:51 | >1 biblioitem | |
| 02:51 | (and as many items you want) | |
| 02:51 | because i'm not sure at all it works well... | |
| 02:51 | (in fact I would be surprised if it worked well ;-) ) | |
| 02:51 | rach | we can certainly give that a go |
| 02:52 | paul | ok, let me know on koha-devel once you've tested. |
| 02:52 | chris | will do |
| 02:52 | rach | there is quite a big bug to do with groups that we fixed - is a big bug because you can't get to the group info |
| 02:52 | paul | "rosalies bug list" recieved |
| 02:54 | chris | yay, dinner is here |
| 02:55 | paul | "bon appétit" chris |
| 02:57 | thd | paul: So, the warning about MARC export of items is not antiquated? |
| 03:01 | rach | sorry I'm going to have to go have dinner too, si is finally home |
| 03:02 | thd | rach: sorry, for my initial untested suggestion about the koha.org home page on the koha-devel list. My revised suggestion seems reasonable to me. |
| 03:07 | paul | thd : i don't remember |
| 03:09 | thd | paul: MARC export has this note "Note : the items are NOT exported by this tool" |
| 03:09 | paul | yes, I see, but I don't know it t's true of false. |
| 03:09 | open a bug on bugzilla, i'll check later. | |
| 03:10 | thd | paul: My tests show items being exported but I do not know if there is a subtle problem. |
| 03:12 | paul | there's probably a subtle problem, which nickname is "bug" ;-) |
| 03:13 | thd | paul: Well I should not open a bug report about the notice. I do not know how I should open a bug about a subtle problem that I cannot identify :) |
| 03:28 | paul: What would I harm by mapping 952 $t for example to items.itemnumber? "Do not expect to have every Koha table.column mapped to a MARC subfield. Some (such as biblionumber, biblioitemnumber, and itemnumber) are values generated by Koha and will probably be automatically mapped. Others are flags which are set in the course of normal circulation activities and will contain information that is not part of your MARC record." | |
| 03:32 | paul | if 952 is your item tag, then you should harm nothing. |
| 03:33 | mmm... not sure for itemnumber. | |
| 03:39 | thd | paul: I was hoping to find a way for Koha to place the Koha itemnumber in a MARC holdings field. 952 for example. |
| 03:41 | hdl | It already does, in $9 I think. |
| 03:41 | thd | paul: I would have expected that Koha would only need unique itemnumbers for each biblio but not unique across the entire DB. |
| 03:44 | paul: The I could have biblio 15 with copies 1 and 2; and biblio 16 with copies 1, 2, and 3. Does Koha need itemnumbers to be unique for the DB as a whole? | |
| 03:47 | paul | yes |
| 03:48 | chris | back |
| 03:48 | yep itemnumber is a purely internal koha thing | |
| 03:48 | its the primary key of items | |
| 03:48 | must be non null and unique | |
| 03:49 | thd | paul, chris: How can I get the effect of biblio 15 with copies 1 and 2; and biblio 16 with copies 1, 2, and 3. This would be a conventional copy numbering nomenclature. |
| 03:49 | chris | not with using itemnumber |
| 03:50 | thd | chris: Of course, but how else might this be accomplished? |
| 03:50 | chris | non of the libraries i deal with have numbered their copies in that way |
| 03:50 | so i havent bumped up against it | |
| 03:50 | you could use items.notes | |
| 03:52 | thd | chris: All of the libraries I have ever seen number copies that way on the item itself and represent such numbers in the catalogue. I have no idea how those systems tracked the numbers in a database but this convention predates automated library systems :) |
| 03:52 | chris | right, none of the ones i deal with do :) |
| 03:53 | whats the use of it? | |
| 03:55 | the ones i deal with use barcode numbers to differentiate between copies | |
| 03:55 | paul | an idea would be to have a barcode : |
| 03:56 | biblionumber-item# | |
| 03:56 | that would make the job (i have 1 library working like this) | |
| 03:56 | chris | so 15-1, 15-2 etc paul ? |
| 03:56 | paul | yep |
| 03:56 | chris | yep, that could work too |
| 03:57 | thd | chris: well, you have numbers for copies that are only one digit and fit on the item using the smallest possible space and then also seem nicer to humans. It is easy to know the total number of copies based on the highest copy number assigned. Items with only one copy have no such copy number. |
| 03:58 | paul: yes, I did that for a books business to try to impose rationality on their legacy database that had been used like a free form sketchpad :) | |
| 04:12 | paul: Which other Koha table columns should not be mapped to a MARC subfield, in addition to biblionumber, biblioitemnumber, and itemnumber when migrating initially or cataloguing externally on a progressive basis and importing bulkmarcimport.pl? | |
| 04:12 | paul | none |
| 04:13 | thd | :) |
| 04:13 | paul | & in CVS, biblionumber can be mapped to anything, including 001 |
| 04:13 | (will be in 2.2.4) | |
| 04:14 | & biblionumber can be in a tab, so shown to the user in MARC view | |
| 04:15 | thd | paul: Is that because you are planning to no longer use biblionumber as a unique key for MARC Koha? |
| 04:17 | paul | no |
| 04:17 | thd | paul: If I copy catalogue two different records from two different systems and do not change the 001 field there is always a chance that the 001 field will be the same number as one I have already. |
| 04:17 | paul | right, that's why biblionumber still can be put somewhere else ;-) |
| 04:18 | in the future we could probably be able to extend biblionumber format | |
| 04:22 | thd | paul: Of course, 001 is supposed to be stored in 035 for MARC 21 and 001 changed to a unique number on the local system after copy cataloguing. |
| 04:25 | paul: 035 is the same for UNIMARC. | |
| 04:36 | hdl | Sylvain dans le coin ? |
| 04:39 | Sylvain | oui Sylvain ? Que puis-je pour toi ? |
| 04:39 | euh hdl ;) | |
| 04:40 | hdl | oui. |
| 04:40 | Je voulais savoir si tu avais modiif qqchose dans les autorités que tu n'arais pas commité. | |
| 04:40 | En fait, c'est suite à un bug que Pascale a rapporté et que je n'ai pas dans ma version. | |
| 04:42 | Sylvain | tu peux me donner le num du bug? |
| 04:42 | parceque si je leur ai changé des choses non commitées ça devait vraiment être minime | |
| 04:47 | hdl ? | |
| 04:47 | hdl | oui: 961 |
| 04:48 | Sylvain | ok j'regarde |
| 04:48 | hdl | C'est un bug sur les autorités, un javascript ajouté sur les suppressions. |
| 04:48 | Sylvain | je t'avoue que le mois de vacances m'a un peu fait oublié ce que j'avais fait pour eux, j'vais regarder ;) |
| 04:48 | hdl | Chez moi, je n'avais pas ce script et je n'avais pas d'erreur de suppression. |
| 04:48 | Pas grave. | |
| 04:49 | J'ai ajouté le script. | |
| 04:49 | Mais j'aimerais savoir si tu peux confirmer ou infirmer. | |
| 04:49 | Sylvain | j'essaye de regarder un peu plus en détail |
| 04:49 | j'vais te dire ça | |
| 04:49 | hdl | Et si tu peux mettre à jour ta versions et tester avec mes modifs. |
| 04:52 | Sylvain | je viens de tester sur la version qu'ils ont en ce moment |
| 04:52 | et pas de pb | |
| 04:55 | ça devait être à une époque ou ils avaient une version CVS pas stable | |
| 04:55 | hdl | Etonnant. |
| 09:37 | paul | owen 1st today !!! |
| 09:37 | owen | :) |
| 09:37 | paul | (no news from kados. Maybe he wanted to prove he was not always early ;-) |
| 09:48 | kados | heh |
| 09:48 | I was here ... just didn't have anything to say ;-) | |
| 09:48 | paul | you liar ! |
| 09:48 | prove it. | |
| 09:48 | lol | |
| 09:49 | kados | hehe |
| 10:30 | Sylvain | it's time for my daily question :) When you issue an item, the item' branch isn't checked (either homebranch or holdingbranch), is it normal (or am I wrong) ? |
| 10:31 | paul | it seems it's not a bug but a feature ! |
| 10:31 | the item issued is automatically "moved" to the branch doing the issue ! | |
| 10:31 | because a book can be in a branch by mistake (wrong return for example) | |
| 10:35 | owen | paul, I'm looking at the recent change top detail.tmpl. I see that you've added MARC subjects, but they're not showiing up for me |
| 10:37 | paul | works for me : |
| 10:37 | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]-detail.pl?bib=56 | |
| 10:37 | look at my templates, maybe you have a diff with <tmpl loop> | |
| 10:38 | owen | Even when I switch to the default template I'm still getting the old subjects list |
| 10:40 | paul | mmm... strange... |
| 10:41 | you should add a warn "IN HERE"; line 66 of opac-detail | |
| 10:42 | just after the if (C4::boolean...) | |
| 10:42 | and check if the line is reached. | |
| 10:43 | I check my local cvs, and everything is commited, for sure. | |
| 10:46 | owen | Could there be some confusion about whether the system preference should be MARC="yes" or MARC = 1? |
| 10:46 | paul | (as it's my setup) |
| 10:47 | owen | We have it set to 1, but detail.pl checks for C4::Context->preference("marc") eq "yes" |
| 10:48 | paul | ??? |
| 10:48 | my copy is : | |
| 10:48 | if (C4::Boolean::true_p($marc)) { | |
| 10:48 | are you sure you are checking rel_2_2 ? | |
| 10:48 | (line 66) | |
| 10:48 | (65) | |
| 10:49 | owen | I have instead at line 53: if (C4::Context->preference("marc") eq "yes") { |
| 10:50 | paul | your cvs is not uptodate or is not rel_2_2 |
| 10:50 | (line 53 is an empty line for me) | |
| 10:50 | owen | Strange. My CVS client /said/ it was up-to-date, and rel_2_2. |
| 10:51 | paul | my copy is 1.14.2.6 |
| 10:53 | owen | Mine says 1.24.2.2 |
| 10:54 | paul | ???? |
| 10:54 | you are speaking of opac/opac-detail.pl ? | |
| 10:54 | owen | Well, there's a problem. I'm talking about *detail.pl* |
| 10:54 | paul | ;-) |
| 10:54 | owen | In the intranet |
| 10:55 | paul | stupid paul : i didn't have copied opac-detail to detail.pl ! |
| 11:15 | owen | Something seems to be up with Sourceforge. All my CVS operations are timing out |
| 11:16 | paul | happends too often imho... |
| 11:16 | shouldn't we move to another CVS (like savannah) | |
| 11:16 | i work on a project using savannah, it is VERY fast compared to sf. | |
| 11:17 | (dolibarr, if someone want to know. I use this software, and hack it a little. really a little) | |
| 11:17 | (to koha-devel) | |
| 11:20 | done | |
| 11:21 | owen | kados: are you familiar with Savannah? |
| 11:21 | paul | owen : savannah is a clone of sourceforge ;-) |
| 11:21 | (it's a fork in fact) | |
| 11:22 | owen | This, I assume? http://savannah.gnu.org/ |
| 11:22 | paul | nope : |
| 11:22 | https://savannah.nongnu.org/ | |
| 11:22 | (gnu.org is only for GNU projects) | |
| 11:22 | owen | Tricky |
| 11:22 | paul | (and we are not a gnu project afaik) |
| 11:23 | https://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/koha | |
| 11:23 | (koha is already registred on savannah in fact ;-) | |
| 11:23 | except it's empty | |
| 11:23 | we have a pb here : it has been created by steve tonnesen & he has disappeared... | |
| 11:24 | Import your CVS tree | |
| 11:24 | If your project already has an existing CVS repository that you want to move to Savannah, make an appointment with us for the migration. | |
| 11:24 | https://savannah.nongnu.org/cvs/?group=koha | |
| 11:24 | so, we can move from sf to savannah | |
| 11:54 | kados | yikes ... how will we recover the Koha on savanna? |
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