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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:10 | Ryanbisd | what kind of marc records does follett use? |
| 13:21 | or, if Im going to import them, do I choose a Marc record type during the initial install? | |
| 13:22 | kados | Ryanbisd: probably USMARC (aka MARC21 aka iso2709) |
| 13:22 | probably not UNIMARC | |
| 13:22 | which is mainly used in France | |
| 13:26 | Ryanbisd | man, everything is @ss backwards here... I dont even know where the marc records are stored for the campusus.. |
| 13:26 | kados | heh |
| 13:26 | there's probably a sabatoged marc export utility somewhere | |
| 13:26 | and you'll need to pay follett a few thousand dollars to remove one garbage line somewhere that cripples the utility | |
| 13:27 | :-) | |
| 13:30 | Ryanbisd | haha... really? |
| 13:31 | thd | kados: you should have the email now |
| 13:32 | Ryanbisd | where did you send it/ |
| 13:32 | kados | thd: thanks! |
| 13:33 | Ryanbisd: ? | |
| 13:33 | Ryanbisd | nevermind... |
| 13:33 | thd | kados: good luck |
| 13:33 | Ryanbisd | im being retarded |
| 13:34 | kados | thd: thanks :-) |
| 14:23 | Ryanbisd | how do i get to the admin part of koha? |
| 14:28 | shaun | Parameters in the intranet? or am i thinking of a different admin? |
| 14:30 | Ryanbisd | yes.. |
| 14:30 | to edit koha... | |
| 14:30 | or, is that all command line? | |
| 14:31 | shaun | what do you mean, to edit koha? |
| 14:31 | Ryanbisd | to change the different options and such. |
| 14:32 | is there not just a general Koha Admin screen or anything? | |
| 14:32 | kados | Ryanbisd: yes |
| 14:32 | Ryanbisd: go to the intranet | |
| 14:32 | Ryanbisd | there |
| 14:32 | kados | Ryanbisd: you'll see the admin link |
| 14:32 | Ryanbisd | dont see it.. |
| 14:33 | I see the librian screen | |
| 14:33 | shaun | Preferences? Koha Administration? Parameters? Settings? that's what they are in the templates |
| 14:35 | Ryanbisd | Im not in the right place. |
| 14:35 | owen | Are you in the OPAC right now? |
| 14:36 | Ryanbisd | no. |
| 14:36 | kados | Ryanbisd: using default templates? |
| 14:36 | Ryanbisd | yeah |
| 14:36 | is the opac the studens side? | |
| 14:36 | or, the users side? | |
| 14:36 | ok.. wait.. | |
| 14:36 | owen | OPAC is the public side |
| 14:36 | Ryanbisd | I am at the opac-main |
| 14:37 | owen | intranet is the librarian's side |
| 14:37 | You're looking for something like http://your-koha-installation:[…]/koha/mainpage.pl | |
| 14:42 | Ryanbisd | im there |
| 14:43 | owen | You want the Parameters link |
| 14:43 | Ryanbisd | sure. |
| 14:43 | slef | ping |
| 14:43 | Ryanbisd | BTW... you I wanna thank you guys in advance for helpin me out.. im pretty rough around the edges |
| 14:43 | I am at the login screen | |
| 14:44 | slef | town |
| 14:45 | owen | Ryanbisd: log in ;) |
| 14:46 | Ryanbisd | alright.... |
| 14:46 | I suspose I have to create a login | |
| 14:48 | owen | Should have happened during the install process, I think |
| 14:51 | shaun | you can find the un/pw to use in /etc/koha.conf |
| 15:09 | owen | Any luck, Ryanbisd? |
| 15:10 | Ryanbisd | yup... |
| 15:10 | Now, I just have to find out where are current marc records, and barcodes are located | |
| 15:10 | which no one seems to know | |
| 15:12 | owen | kados wasn't kidding when he said Follett may charge you to get them out |
| 15:39 | Ryanbisd | what aboiut if I get them out with marc magician? |
| 15:39 | or, have them generated with Marc Magician | |
| 15:40 | the librarian said she can export them with that program | |
| 15:44 | hello? | |
| 15:45 | shaun | if you can get marc data out, koha will be able to import it with a bulkmarcimport |
| 15:46 | Ryanbisd | awesome... |
| 15:46 | an that has the barcode included... | |
| 15:46 | shaun | that's a script, which gets all your marc data from a file and imports it - assuming the data is in one of the two marc formats koha supports |
| 15:46 | Ryanbisd | marc32 |
| 15:47 | barcode included? | |
| 15:48 | shaun | marc32 - are you sure? i have googled a bit for that but can't find it - sure it's not MARC21 as kados suggested earlier? |
| 15:48 | Ryanbisd | thats what I meant |
| 15:48 | Im just brain fried today... | |
| 15:48 | sorry | |
| 15:50 | owen | Ryanbisd, barcode may not be included with MARC records, because barcodes are often classified as item information |
| 15:50 | shaun | anybody else around who can help with that? i'm not sure about how koha manages barcodes in bulkmarcimport |
| 15:53 | Ryanbisd | the librarian was saying that they were done by follett.... |
| 15:53 | but when she exports it thru marc magician, it still has it. | |
| 15:55 | as soon as she sends me some marc records, I can let you guys look at them | |
| 15:56 | another question I have... which really is more important later, is... how do I seperate each school..... so when a book is looked up, it says what school has what | |
| 15:56 | owen | You have to set up branches in Parameters |
| 15:56 | shaun | branches - one of koha's specialities |
| 15:57 | Ryanbisd | will I have to do that with each individual book? |
| 15:57 | owen | You'll have to map the branch information in your current database to the branches you set up in Koha |
| 16:04 | Ryanbisd | each branch is its own seperate entity |
| 16:05 | shaun | not entirely - the branches share the database of resources, but you can change the location of the resources |
| 16:06 | Ryanbisd | no, what im saying is... .right now.. .each individual school is seperate |
| 16:06 | shaun | ah i see what you mean, sorry |
| 16:06 | Ryanbisd | we are wanting to use koha to make them combined, but seperate |
| 16:07 | owen | separate in what way? |
| 16:07 | Ryanbisd | like what koha does... |
| 16:07 | seperate, in how it can seperate what books and how many are at the different schools | |
| 16:08 | but, its centrally maintained | |
| 16:08 | where in the parameters menu do I setup branches? | |
| 16:09 | owen | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/branches.pl |
| 16:11 | Ryanbisd | so, when I get the marc records from the highschool... how do i load those just into the HS part? |
| 16:18 | will be back on later... | |
| 16:18 | thanks for all your help. | |
| 16:22 | rach | hello |
| 16:26 | thd- | :) |
| 16:27 | rach | and now I'm off out again - back in a couple of hours |
| 16:52 | owen | now I'm off again - back in 15 hours |
| 17:03 | ryanbisd | Hey guys, Im back.. and i have some marc records for you guys to look at if you can |
| 17:09 | kados | hi rach |
| 17:12 | ryanbisd | http://lib-intra.burlesonisd.ne |
| 17:12 | lib.burlesonisd.net | |
| 17:12 | woohoo! | |
| 17:22 | chris | woo hoo ryan |
| 17:26 | ryanbisd | can somone look at the marc records that I have, and see if they are compatable? |
| 17:28 | chris | hmm |
| 17:28 | you could post a sample of it to the koha-devel list, im sure someone on there could tell you | |
| 17:28 | ryanbisd | is that on the website? |
| 17:29 | kados | ryanbisd I'll take a look |
| 17:29 | chris | ahh good man kados :) |
| 17:29 | kados | :-) |
| 17:29 | ryanbisd | send them to the email for the irc? |
| 17:30 | kados | no |
| 17:30 | send them to me | |
| 17:30 | jmf at liblime.com | |
| 17:30 | ryanbisd: but really ... what you should do | |
| 17:30 | ryanbisd: is try to run bulkmarcimport | |
| 17:30 | and see if your records import right | |
| 17:31 | it's in misc/migration_tools iirc | |
| 17:32 | ryanbisd | I sent them to you.. |
| 17:32 | I dont have access to the server right now, but will try and get access tonight or tomorrow... | |
| 17:32 | she just sent me a few marc records... | |
| 17:33 | kados | yep ... those are marc records ;-) |
| 17:33 | :-) | |
| 17:33 | ryanbisd | so they will work.... |
| 17:33 | can you tell if it has | |
| 17:33 | the barcodes? | |
| 17:34 | kados | ryanbisd: if they aren't importable via bulkmarcimport (and theyshould be by the looks of them) you can use MARC::Lint to clean them up |
| 17:34 | lemme check | |
| 17:34 | _pT0005903 | |
| 17:35 | hmmm | |
| 17:35 | 85040382 | |
| 17:35 | that could be a barcode | |
| 17:35 | ryanbisd | possibly... Im not sure. |
| 17:36 | kados | yea ... usually barcodes are somewhere in 900s |
| 17:36 | 952, 942 | |
| 17:36 | thing to do is | |
| 17:36 | search on your catalog | |
| 17:36 | (the follett one) | |
| 17:36 | find a few barcodes that you have marc records for | |
| 17:37 | then see if you can match the barcode string in the marc record | |
| 17:37 | (or you could just get a marc editor ;-)) | |
| 17:37 | but basically the 952 tag subfields (where barcodes will usually be) | |
| 17:38 | are repeatable | |
| 17:38 | so you'll find multiple barcodes if you have multiple items fora given record | |
| 17:38 | etc etc. | |
| 18:21 | bug 1000 is up for grabs ;-) | |
| 19:47 | Genji | is there a maximum length for a 3 of 9 barcode? |
| 19:51 | ryanbisd | kados, do you work 24/7? |
| 20:12 | kados | ryanbisd: retty much |
| 20:12 | pretty much even | |
| 20:19 | ryanbisd | haah... |
| 20:19 | thats cool, me too.... but, mine is more self imposed | |
| 20:20 | trying to learn as much as possible | |
| 20:23 | russ | hi |
| 20:30 | ryanbisd | would this be the same russ I emailed? |
| 20:30 | russ | hi ryan |
| 20:30 | yes it is | |
| 20:30 | i flicked your email onto chris to have a look at | |
| 20:32 | ryan - can you tell me where you got my email addy from please? just interested to know | |
| 20:33 | ryanbisd | thats cool.. I found this place soon after, so I asked in here. |
| 20:33 | but, thats cool that you are the same guy. | |
| 20:37 | chris | we kinda covered the email on irc already |
| 20:37 | russ | cool |
| 20:43 | ryanbisd | yeah... you guys are gonna turn the IRC channel off, thats how many questions I can forsee me asking |
| 20:44 | chris | heh |
| 20:46 | rach | we could set up the infobot, see if he can answer them for ya :-) |
| 20:46 | ryanbisd | hahah |
| 01:39 | osmoze | hello |
| 01:41 | rach | hello |
| 04:19 | osmoze | bonjour paul |
| 04:21 | une question, lors de l installation de la 2.0 si lors des demandes de l installateur on modifie en effacant, ca mets par la suite dans les conf de koha par exemple des symboles tout bizarre | |
| 04:22 | du type 'B[ | |
| 04:22 | paul | salut js. |
| 04:22 | osmoze | etc etc, il y a pas quelque chose pour que cela ne prennent pas en compte l effacement |
| 04:22 | paul | c'est un pb de shell |
| 04:22 | osmoze | il faut utiliser quoi ? |
| 04:22 | zsh ? | |
| 04:22 | ou un autre ? | |
| 04:23 | paul | bash fonctionne bie d'hab |
| 04:23 | (bien) | |
| 04:24 | osmoze | hum... |
| 04:24 | GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) | |
| 04:24 | je vais essayer de voir avec une nouvelle version, c est peut etre ma version, ou ma conf :( | |
| 05:22 | sylvain | hi |
| 08:33 | hdl | hi owen. |
| 08:33 | many thx | |
| 08:33 | owen | Hi |
| 08:33 | hdl | for changing topic. |
| 08:34 | owen | No problem. |
| 09:12 | Hi paul | |
| 09:12 | paul | hello owen |
| 09:15 | ryanbisd | good morning! |
| 09:16 | owen | Uh oh, it's ryanbisd! Everyone look busy!! |
| 09:16 | ;) | |
| 09:16 | ryanbisd | `ha... |
| 09:17 | Not at work today... | |
| 09:17 | so, no questions really.... just bowsing. | |
| 09:18 | actually... I do have a question, but its about tar.... | |
| 09:20 | kados | shoot away |
| 09:21 | ryanbisd | is there a way to tar a whole dir, and its sub dirs... but, as its creating the tar file, it deletes the original files and dirs? |
| 09:22 | to save HD space more or less.. | |
| 09:25 | kados | sure is |
| 09:25 | :-) | |
| 09:26 | there's a --remove-files option | |
| 09:27 | so probably something like | |
| 09:27 | ar -cvzf --remove-files foo.tgz directoryname | |
| 09:27 | tar even ;-) | |
| 09:27 | oughta do the trick | |
| 09:28 | ryanbisd | so, it would be "tar -cvz /dir > dir.tgz --remove-files |
| 09:28 | oh... | |
| 09:29 | kados | hmmm ... |
| 09:29 | that's not the default tar syntax IIRC | |
| 09:29 | but it might work with your shell | |
| 09:32 | osmoze | ++ |
| 09:33 | ryanbisd | alrght... so, the syntax I used worked, but... does it delete them as its making the .tar, or after? |
| 09:34 | reason being.. I set up a small file server on a computer, but the files are 9 gigs, and I only used a small 10 gig HD so if I tar it up.. it will exceed disk space | |
| 09:35 | I want to them up, and put them on the new file server... | |
| 09:35 | insert "tar" | |
| 09:35 | kados | ryanbisd: right ... well you'd have to look at the docs ... but I suspect it does them at the same time as it archives them |
| 09:35 | try the man pages | |
| 09:35 | ryanbisd | cool.. |
| 09:36 | Now... can I move that one .tar file between the systems without ftp? like thru ssh? | |
| 09:36 | kados | yea |
| 09:36 | scp is what you're looking for | |
| 09:37 | ryanbisd | thanks |
| 09:55 | thd | kados: you had briefly suggested that the MARC record would be stored as a single entity for Zebra. Wouldn't you still need a data model that dealt properly with all the record fields, indicators, and subfields for editing a record and creating a new record? |
| 09:55 | kados | thd: yep ... any suggestions? |
| 09:57 | thd | kados: no, but there is some work at the University of North Texas, they have a $200,000 grant. |
| 09:57 | kados | thd: they have a 200K grant to work on Koha? |
| 09:58 | thd | :) |
| 09:58 | kados | thd: or on a data model for dealing with marc? |
| 09:58 | thd: :-) | |
| 09:58 | thd: isn't north texas the site that recently went with indexdata's keystone instead of webfeat? | |
| 09:59 | thd | kados: they are studying the usage of MARC fields and have a mapping of MARC in MYSQL |
| 09:59 | kados | interesting ... |
| 09:59 | but we're actually moving away from the model | |
| 09:59 | s/the/that/ | |
| 10:00 | SQL isn't really good at dealing with textual data | |
| 10:00 | it's much better at factual data | |
| 10:00 | statuses and such | |
| 10:00 | thd | kados: yes but the catalog module needs to work with data parsed in some fashion |
| 10:01 | kados | thd: MARC::Record ;-) |
| 10:03 | thd | kados: oh yes, insert delete, etc. on the record itself. :) |
| 10:03 | kados | thd: yep |
| 10:03 | thd | kados: I am happy now :-] |
| 10:07 | kados: before there were tools like MARC::Record or even MARC-SGML if you remember that I had to write my own equivalent to MODS and found that much preferable as a text model to using a relational database. | |
| 10:11 | thd: I quickly discovered the limit of MODS type mappings, lacking an element to element correspondence with MARC. Using MARC::Record will be fantastic though. I am very happy, indeed :] | |
| 10:12 | kados: I do not know about keystone vs. webfeat at UNT | |
| 10:21 | kados: What time frame did you discuss with Index Data? | |
| 10:23 | kados | thd: timeframe for what? |
| 10:24 | thd | kados: having Zebra fully integrated into Koha |
| 10:25 | kados | thd: well that's something that indexdata's not doing for us ... they are more of a consultant on how to do it best |
| 10:26 | thd: I'm doing an announcement tomorrow about it | |
| 10:26 | thd: so stay tuned | |
| 10:26 | thd | thd holds breath until tomorrow |
| 10:47 | owen | Can anyone tell me how the 'link' function works in opac-MARCdetail? |
| 10:47 | paul | yes, I can. |
| 10:47 | owen | Please! |
| 10:48 | paul | if you want to have a small glass before the field value, just enter something here. It means "do a search on this value on the (marc) field in <link>" |
| 10:48 | for example : | |
| 10:48 | in unimarc, publisher is in 210$a | |
| 10:48 | if you put a '210a' in link | |
| 10:49 | then, when you clic on the glass, you search for all biblios from this publisher | |
| 10:49 | sometimes you can find interesting to search on a field that is not 'himself'. | |
| 10:50 | owen | ? |
| 10:50 | paul | for example, for libraries that have authors as subject. |
| 10:50 | owen | Where do you enter the link? |
| 10:50 | paul | 'victor hugo' is the subject of the book, but when you clic on 'victor hugo', if you have put '200f' in link, you search for book FROM victor hugo |
| 10:51 | in marcsubfieldstructure.pl | |
| 10:51 | (default template) | |
| 10:52 | sylvain | paul, what's the difference with thesaurus ? |
| 10:52 | owen | Hmm... I'm still a little confused |
| 10:52 | sylvain | (autorités) |
| 10:52 | owen | So, say you have an author... |
| 10:52 | You edit the link for the author tag, and link it to another kind of search, like a subject search? | |
| 10:52 | paul | yes. |
| 10:52 | owen | Can you put more than one tag in the link? |
| 10:53 | paul | (but that's not a common use I agree) |
| 10:53 | sylvain : the most common use is with thesaurus. But it does not rely on thesaurus | |
| 10:53 | (sylvain : bonjour) | |
| 10:54 | it also works without. | |
| 10:54 | sylvain | bonjour paul en effet |
| 10:54 | yes paul but when there's a thesaurus, isn't it a "double-emploi" ? | |
| 10:54 | owen | Not a common use? What would you consider a common use? The subject -> author link you described? |
| 10:55 | sylvain | but I must admit that I 'haven't tried this function so maybe I dismiss |
| 11:05 | hdl | sylvain : the difference is that it can be used on simple 200f MARC field for instance. |
| 11:06 | If you would like to get all the books that one person has collaborate to, you can with clicking on this glass. | |
| 11:07 | IF the fields link and seealso are well informed. | |
| 11:07 | sylvain | yes hdl but if the person is an authority you can also :) |
| 11:07 | but it's sure that's it's easier not to have to define autorities | |
| 11:07 | hdl | Sure, But If you want only Richard Bachmann books, how can you make it out ? |
| 11:08 | This will do the job | |
| 11:08 | ;) | |
| 11:08 | Richard Bachmann is also known as Stephen King... | |
| 11:08 | sylvain | I really must look this new function ;) |
| 11:10 | what about the user manueal projet ? When is it previewed to be released ? |
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