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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 02:03 | Genji | hey, what software do katipo programmers use for programming? |
| 02:07 | chris | a text editor |
| 02:32 | paul | hi chris & genji |
| 02:33 | Genji : I use kate, a linux-KDE text editor | |
| 02:34 | chris | i use jed |
| 02:34 | or vi | |
| 02:34 | or emacs | |
| 02:34 | depends what machine im working on :) | |
| 02:34 | ssh, screen and a text editor are pretty much all i need | |
| 02:35 | emacs will do nice formatting and colour syntax hilighting if you set it up | |
| 02:36 | i pretty much use whatever is available | |
| 02:38 | hdl | But vim will also do syntax higlighting if configured and Kate, asoasf... ;) |
| 02:38 | chris | yep |
| 02:39 | i very rarely work on my machine at home | |
| 02:39 | i ssh onto whatever machine im working on at the time and edit there | |
| 02:39 | so i prefer things like vim and jed or emacs which are curses based | |
| 02:40 | but each to their own .. whatever works best for you is what you should use :) | |
| 02:42 | its exceedingly fast | |
| 02:43 | well to search anyway, returning the results takes a little more time | |
| 02:44 | and then we need to query the item specific things | |
| 02:44 | but i think its going to be a nice scalable fast search solution | |
| 02:44 | and one that can be optional | |
| 02:49 | paul | chris : about "optional" do you think it would be easy to have 2 koha version |
| 02:49 | * 1 without zbra, easier to install, for small libraries | |
| 02:49 | * 1 with zebra, harder to install but with a good/great scalability | |
| 02:49 | ? | |
| 02:52 | chris | thats the plan |
| 02:53 | with a switch in system preferences | |
| 02:53 | usezebra=1 | |
| 02:53 | something like that | |
| 02:53 | so you have C4::SearchZebra | |
| 02:54 | which is used if usezebra=1 | |
| 02:54 | otherwise we use the existing methods | |
| 02:55 | i was thinking as well, that you could have a zebra server running at each branch ... in a multi branch or consortia type library | |
| 02:55 | for the opacs | |
| 02:56 | so u search locally, and only talk back to the mysql db for item specific or borrower specific stuff | |
| 06:31 | gavin | Genji: similar to chris I use screen, vim, ssh all the time |
| 06:31 | also make use of cvs, svn, make a fair bit | |
| 07:08 | slef | APC News just linked to greenstone |
| 07:41 | kados | paul: zebra is pretty easy to use |
| 07:41 | hi everyone btw ;-) | |
| 07:41 | paul | 'morning kados. |
| 07:42 | easy to use maybe, but is it easy to install ? | |
| 07:42 | kados | paul: yep ... there are packages |
| 07:42 | paul | if as easy as other packages, then I won't have any problems with it |
| 07:42 | kados | .deb and rpm |
| 07:43 | paul | btw, did you succed to rebuild marc_Tword with the new version ? |
| 07:43 | no, but ppl in france find Koha hard to set up | |
| 07:43 | in France, there is another ILS, called PMB (php+apache+mysql), under GPL, that is really easy to install. | |
| 07:44 | kados | paul: yes |
| 07:44 | paul | small libraries goes to PMB really often & rarely choose Koha. |
| 07:44 | you'll say a small library means small fees, so let's ignore them ;-) | |
| 07:44 | kados | not really ... |
| 07:44 | :-) | |
| 07:44 | but that's a good point ;-) | |
| 07:44 | paul | you will be right, but I don't want ppl discarding too quickly Koha. |
| 07:45 | kados | right ... it's a tough decision whether to make Koha 'on size fits all' |
| 07:45 | oops ... s/on/one/ | |
| 07:45 | (do you know this expresion? | |
| 07:45 | paul | (we will never be as easy to setup as PMB, because, with easyphp, on a winXP computer, in 2 clics you have all you need. Installing perl on windows is not as simple) |
| 07:45 | kados | right |
| 07:45 | paul | (i understand it at least) |
| 07:46 | do you want to see a nice stylesheet i'm working on ? | |
| 07:46 | kados | (it's become idiomatic -- it comes from clothing sizes) |
| 07:46 | yes! | |
| 07:46 | paul | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ha/opac-search.pl |
| 07:46 | 100% standard Koha | |
| 07:47 | hdl | cool :) |
| 07:47 | kados | very pretty! |
| 07:47 | paul | (required a little hack that will be commited soon) |
| 07:47 | (hdl, can you call me, pls) | |
| 07:47 | hdl | yes. |
| 07:47 | kados | looks good paul! |
| 07:48 | paul to get Tword working I need SearchMartTest.pm right? | |
| 07:48 | paul | yes. |
| 07:48 | just replace use SearchMarc by SearchMarc.pm in opac-search.pl | |
| 07:50 | kados | ok ... here it is: |
| 07:50 | http://66.213.78.101/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl | |
| 07:51 | keyword doesn't seem to be working | |
| 07:52 | hdl | It is just for Proof of concept, ;) |
| 07:52 | kados | right ;-) |
| 07:52 | paul | no keywotrd |
| 07:52 | just title or author should work | |
| 07:52 | (& probably subject) | |
| 07:53 | kados | paul: have you tried this: |
| 07:53 | http://www.loc.gov/cgi-bin/zga[…]76,9999&CI=034920 | |
| 07:53 | it's pointing to my zebra server | |
| 07:56 | I'm thinking we need a Yaz wrapper in SearchMarc that does the search and pulls out the results in a hash ... then queries for item info, etc. | |
| 07:56 | paul | kados, how do you manage biblio modifs with Zebra ? |
| 07:57 | kados | not sure of the specifics, but : "It supports incremental, safe database updates on live systems." |
| 07:57 | the index only takes 3 minutes to build | |
| 07:57 | from scratch | |
| 07:58 | and it takes in raw marc data | |
| 08:00 | also ... it means automatically having a _very_ good Z39.50 server ;-) (mine is not too good ;-)) | |
| 08:00 | paul | ;-) |
| 08:00 | & could be easier to extend search to more than you catalogue | |
| 08:00 | kados | and adds boolian, relevance ranking, and I think stemming |
| 08:00 | exactly | |
| 08:01 | natively searches xml | |
| 08:01 | s/searches/indexes/ | |
| 08:03 | paul: I've also just acquired 5 million MARC records ... | |
| 08:03 | paul | what do you mean by "acquired" ? |
| 08:03 | kados | paul: and I'll be trying to import into Koha |
| 08:03 | paul: someone donated them ;-) | |
| 08:03 | sanspach | |
| 08:04 | they will be very useful for locating bottlenecks, etc. | |
| 08:04 | right ;-) | |
| 08:11 | hdl | kados, bug 924, your note assigned it to me but is marked fixed/worked for me. |
| 08:12 | 5000000 records WOW ! smileglasses | |
| 08:18 | kados | hdl: must be my mistake ;-) |
| 08:23 | slef | paul: Kartouche CVS is being moved to a public server. |
| 08:23 | paul | slef : let me know the address. |
| 08:29 | hdl | hi michael. |
| 08:52 | slef | paul: once I know. Do you want an account? |
| 08:53 | paul | why not, if the project plans to release a new version, I could give some code. |
| 09:43 | hi owen. | |
| 09:43 | owen | Hi |
| 09:43 | paul | happy to see you. do you have a min for a css problem (once again) |
| 09:43 | owen | Yes |
| 09:43 | paul | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]biblionumber=9955 |
| 09:43 | how to get the mainbloc go until end of the table ? | |
| 09:44 | owen | I think the only way to do it is to put an element after it that has a clear= value. |
| 09:44 | paul | (btw, you also can go to : http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]ha/opac-search.pl, it's 100% pure Koha, just with a stylesheet /me really proud of this stylesheet) |
| 09:44 | owen | Or <br clear="both"> |
| 09:45 | paul | ??? don't understand. |
| 09:45 | owen | Is the table floated? |
| 09:46 | (btw, I'm not getting *any* style sheet with that second link!) | |
| 09:46 | paul | you don't have |
| 09:46 | <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://bureau.paulpoulain.com/sociologie.css" /> | |
| 09:46 | in line 6 ? | |
| 09:47 | btw, the table is in a container that has : | |
| 09:47 | div.tabsub { | |
| 09:47 | background-color: #ACE6E6; | |
| 09:47 | visibility:hidden; | |
| 09:47 | margin-left:72px; | |
| 09:47 | margin-top:100px; | |
| 09:47 | margin-right:10%; | |
| 09:47 | } | |
| 09:47 | tabsub being in | |
| 09:47 | div.tabblocsub { | |
| 09:47 | position:absolute; | |
| 09:47 | display:block; | |
| 09:47 | top:123px; | |
| 09:47 | left:42px; | |
| 09:47 | owen | Okay, I reloaded the page and now the stylesheet has loaded |
| 09:47 | paul | border: 1px solid black; |
| 09:47 | } | |
| 09:49 | owen | On the subscription page, do you see a black border that extends up into the orange header bloc? |
| 09:50 | paul | yes. |
| 09:50 | (removed, it was just a test) | |
| 09:52 | owen | Maybe it's because the div is absolutely positioned... I'm not sure. |
| 09:52 | CSS is funny that way--it's sometimes hard to get the container to extend around an object when positioning is used | |
| 09:53 | The bibliothèque de sociologie page looks really good | |
| 09:54 | Adding a clearing element doesn't seem to help your problem page any :( | |
| 09:54 | paul | it comes from cnrs stylesheet rules. My customer wanted to have an ILS looking like other cnrs sites. |
| 09:54 | right, no change. | |
| 09:57 | back. | |
| 10:00 | owen | Does div.tabblocsub have to be position:absolute? |
| 10:05 | paul | what do you suggest ? |
| 10:07 | if i remove the position:absolute, it works partially | |
| 10:07 | kados | paul: one tip ... if you validate your html you will be able to validate your css ... that may notice the problem |
| 10:07 | owen | I don't know if this will break something somewhere else, but if you take out position:absolute from div.tabblocsub { that helps |
| 10:07 | paul | the mainbloc is extended, but the table appears after the year list, where i want it facing the year list. |
| 10:07 | kados | paul: right ... because floated elements are outside the document flow |
| 10:10 | owen | So '2005' is the year list? |
| 10:10 | Will that always be a single year? | |
| 10:10 | Maybe you could put that into the table <caption> element and style it there | |
| 10:10 | paul | owen, no, i've added a 2006 entry manually. |
| 10:12 | owen | Are you trying to build the same kind of tab system you use with the MARC display? |
| 10:12 | paul | yes owen |
| 10:12 | but even with the marc display, the problem is the same | |
| 10:13 | (i've just included them in div id=mainbloc) | |
| 10:13 | They were outside, so without light blue | |
| 10:14 | (how did you solve this with npl templates ? | |
| 10:15 | owen | In the OPAC, I don't use the tab system. I just display the whole record. |
| 10:16 | In the intranet, I haven't solved it either. | |
| 10:30 | slef | paul: I've gone blind, or your page is blank. |
| 10:30 | paul | which page ? |
| 10:30 | slef | http://bureau.paulpoulain.com:[…]biblionumber=9955 |
| 10:30 | paul | not blank at all for me (with firefox) |
| 10:30 | (or konqueror, or opera) | |
| 10:31 | (there is a long list of subscription / issue date & number & status) | |
| 10:31 | question : how to add an attachment to a mail::sendmail mail ? | |
| 10:31 | slef | 1mo for screenshot |
| 10:33 | gopher://g.towers.org.uk/I/ss.png | |
| 10:34 | paul | did you clic on 2005 ? |
| 10:34 | you should have a list | |
| 10:34 | slef | clicking 2005 doesn't work. It's javascript. |
| 10:34 | paul | right. |
| 10:35 | (it's javascript) | |
| 10:35 | kados | paul: thanks for adding the syspref for 'lost' |
| 10:35 | paul: but will it impact performance? | |
| 10:35 | slef | Is disability discrimination allowed in France? |
| 10:35 | kados | it adds another query right? |
| 10:36 | paul | you're welcome. my customers would probably cry a lot. |
| 10:36 | no joshua, as all the systempref table is read when the 1st pref is needed. and one is needed to find template/language | |
| 10:36 | slef | I've unsubscribed from koha-cvs. It's too high traffic recently. How do you follow development? |
| 10:37 | owen | By subscribing to koha-cvs ;) |
| 10:37 | paul | (no way to do it otherwise imho) |
| 10:39 | ok, i've found http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendm[…].html#attachments that has the answer to my question | |
| 10:39 | slef | Look at http://alma.ch/perl/Mail-Sendmail-FAQ.html for additional info |
| 10:39 | (CGI, examples of sending attachments, HTML mail etc...) | |
| 10:39 | from the manual page | |
| 10:39 | oops, lagged | |
| 10:40 | paul | ;-) |
| 10:42 | kados | btw: 5 million records indexed in 40 minutes with Zebra ;-) |
| 10:43 | sanspach | kados: so I take it the records loaded OK? :) |
| 10:43 | kados | liblime.com:9999 |
| 10:43 | sanspach: yes ... thanks! | |
| 10:44 | (that address should work only for Yaz or some other Z39.50 client) | |
| 10:45 | (bad news is I forgot to index using the VOYAGER db name so I can't use the loc gateway to speed test, etc :( | |
| 10:48 | I'm gonna take it down and re-index :-( | |
| 10:50 | slef | paul: "fixing a bug" is not a nice log message :-( |
| 10:51 | paul | slef : when i write this, it means the bugfix is trivial. Here it is : my$temp instead of my $temp |
| 10:52 | slef | paul: that's "fixing a typo" or even just "typo fix" ;-) |
| 10:52 | paul | ok, i'll remember it. |
| 10:52 | (/me poor english :-( ) | |
| 10:52 | slef | paul: cvs log in french then :-D |
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