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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:40 | ben | hi |
| 12:40 | brb | |
| 12:40 | shaun | hi ben, everyone else |
| 12:41 | indradg | hi, i'm testing out z39.50 on 2.2.2... I have processz3950queue script running in a terminal... I'm only seeing some of the searches show up as they are taking place |
| 12:41 | funny enuf the actual searches are happening and I can import the biblios | |
| 12:41 | owen | indradg, you might have to wait 'til paul is online on Monday |
| 12:41 | indradg | i'm wondering why doesnt some of the searches showing up in the terminal |
| 12:42 | kados, any idea? | |
| 12:42 | shaun | it seems that the searches take a long time - the ?? message is displayed before the number of searches, and remains there for a few refreshes... |
| 12:43 | indradg | owen, thanks... will wait for the guru's return :) |
| 12:43 | shaun | is that standard behaviour? if so, i think the ?? message should go, and be replaced with something more descriptive |
| 12:47 | owen | I'm not exactly sure where in the process it gets the number of searches, but the ?? are certainly not very helpful |
| 12:47 | Take a look at the script to see if you can puzzle out where it gets that number | |
| 12:48 | shaun | *puzzles out :p |
| 12:57 | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="numberpending" --><h1 class="catalogue">Still <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="numberpending" --> requests to go</h1><!-- /TMPL_IF --> | |
| 12:59 | somebody who has a good knowledge of perl/templating (not me!) should write some kind of if/else thing that will print a friendly message rather than the potentially confusing "Still ?? requests to go" | |
| 13:16 | ben | I concur |
| 13:16 | shaun | *after wating 1/4 hour... |
| 13:33 | is anyone apart from me here? | i request a change of topic to the koha logo... | |
| 13:40 | owen | I'm here, and I pay no attention to the topic, so just ask away |
| 13:42 | shaun | lol |
| 13:43 | is there a need for the egg design to be touched up? | |
| 13:44 | owen | rach is in the process of re-doing the original katipo templates, and is updating the egg design too. |
| 13:46 | shaun | oh - how far? would we be able to get in on this...? |
| 13:46 | owen | You could certainly ask her...but her specialty is design, so I think she's following her own path for the most part |
| 13:46 | No reason you can't go ahead with your own redesign as well. | |
| 13:47 | ben | yes |
| 13:48 | shaun | Well, we are both designers (me: web, ben: usability), and we want to see the new logos to make them fit into our design... |
| 13:49 | ben | shaun: code, design; me: usability, design |
| 13:49 | shaun | that's a matter of opinion :p |
| 13:49 | ben | meh |
| 13:51 | shaun | is it always this quiet? |
| 13:51 | I'm far too used to #gentoo or #fedora, i suppose... | |
| 14:30 | owen | It *is* the weekend, after all |
| 14:35 | shaun | (i'd expect more people to be around on the weekend - do the Katipo people only sign in at work?) |
| 14:36 | owen | Yes, Koha is part of their job, just like me |
| 14:36 | ben | hi.. again. |
| 14:43 | owen | http://katipo.co.nz/gallery/koha <-- some things rach has worked on/is working on |
| 14:46 | ben | that is annoyingly good.. |
| 14:46 | shaun | I have seen that - it is more impressive, but I doubt it it will be implemented like that without a lot of css hacks... |
| 14:46 | ben | yesa |
| 14:46 | owen | That's up to her coder |
| 14:48 | ben | well, we are trying to make it look good without mucking about with fancy rubbish.. don't forget we are still focusing on usability |
| 14:48 | who did the v2 redesign? | |
| 14:48 | owen | paul |
| 14:49 | shaun | "her coder" - who might that be ;)? |
| 14:49 | owen | I don't remember offhand, which is why I didn't say a name |
| 14:49 | shaun | ah |
| 14:50 | ben | ok |
| 14:51 | paul, no offence and sorry to say this, but your redesign was gaudy, irritant, incomplete and code-wise, innacurate | |
| 14:52 | owen | Obviously! |
| 14:52 | shaun | lol |
| 14:52 | ben | however, it was the first step in making koha decent-looking, and what we are building on |
| 14:53 | at koha.shaunevans.co.uk:8080 | |
| 14:53 | paul_away | login/passwd ? |
| 14:54 | shaun | kohaadmin/hexthouse |
| 14:54 | ben | kohaadmin/hexthouse |
| 14:54 | doh | |
| 14:54 | shaun | jinx. |
| 14:54 | lol | |
| 14:54 | ben | (evidently, shaun is monitoring the chat more closely than me) |
| 14:55 | we did lift the tabs wholesale from mozilla.org, mbut we're working on those. | |
| 14:55 | paul_away | (and : about librarian interface. I just added CSS. Most of the look is katipo) |
| 14:55 | ben | paul, we noticed |
| 14:55 | shaun | we have only concentrated so far on the header excluding tabs, and making the rest of it look clean before we make it "impressive" - thanks |
| 14:56 | ben | I am rewriting virtually all the text to make it more easy to use, like the issue with 'returns & return_waiting' earlier |
| 14:56 | paul_away | the best now should be to add "option" as popup submenus when mouseon main menu (like "catalogue" shows "search / add / virtual shelves"...) |
| 14:57 | shaun | umm, it was reserve, not returns - i thought i needed caffeine |
| 14:57 | paul_away | do you have a sourceforge account ? |
| 14:57 | are you in the list of koha developpers ? | |
| 14:57 | ben | paul, somewhere; no |
| 14:58 | paul | so, you MUST get one & work on official CVS |
| 14:58 | (head branch only, please) | |
| 14:58 | ben | paul: one problem, I spend most of my time in windows |
| 14:58 | paul | I can add you as developper. Just send me a mail with your cvs accound. |
| 14:58 | shaun | I don't like the idea of mouseovers showing subnavigation - each of the parts of the system should be kept as separate as possible, imo |
| 14:58 | paul | not a true problem : CVS works well on windows. Ask Owen how to do ;-) |
| 14:59 | Ben | ah well |
| 14:59 | yes, ALICE does that, too well | |
| 15:00 | shaun | | i am on fedora, running the test server (*:8080 above), and know all the ins and outs of cvs having worked with apache forrest for a while - im digging out my sourceforge account. |
| 15:00 | paul | a suggestion : my opinion is that having a different color for each module is a good idea. |
| 15:00 | Let the user see easily where he is. | |
| 15:01 | like (for instance) yellow => acquisition, green => parameters or borrowers | |
| 15:01 | blue => reports or authorities | |
| 15:01 | .... | |
| 15:01 | Ben | paul, having different titles is a lot less of an eye-renching way of doing it |
| 15:01 | :) | |
| 15:01 | shaun | about the colours: this has to be kept as subtle as possible - imo, the old design took the user away from the actual system far too much |
| 15:01 | Ben | plus, it means that we don't need to do 8 times the image production we already have done |
| 15:02 | yes | |
| 15:02 | shaun | I suppose we could have 'flags' showing the different sections - or just change the colour of the text on the tabs |
| 15:02 | Ben | incidentally, I just completed production of an SVGof a barcode reader |
| 15:03 | paul | (do you have something in your DB ? what should I search for ?) |
| 15:03 | Ben | so we can indicate (implicitly) where / where not to use a barcode reader using a handy icon |
| 15:03 | paul, nope | |
| 15:03 | nothing at all | |
| 15:03 | shaun | no books, only 3 members |
| 15:03 | paul | VERY IMPORTANT thing : NO "images with text". strictly forbidden for translation purposes. |
| 15:03 | Ben | something is screwing the z39.50 importing |
| 15:04 | shaun | we fixed it (owen and i) - didnt you hear? |
| 15:04 | Ben | paul, I do, and always have, concur(red). |
| 15:04 | no | |
| 15:05 | shaun | use a title (eg "the client") instead of an isb |
| 15:05 | n | |
| 15:05 | Ben | brb - fetching keyboard, papers, todo list |
| 15:05 | paul | no, but let me know (on koha-devel mailing list will be perfect) if some bug has to be hunted |
| 15:06 | indradg | shaun, I'm on 2.2.2 both isbn search as well as title search works for z39.50 |
| 15:07 | shaun | well, i am not a perl programmer - that "Still ?? requests to go" is very cryptic and confusing to a n00b (me a couple of days ago :p) |
| 15:07 | Ben | shaun, another thing i'll be fixing in my extensive rewrite |
| 15:07 | shaun | ben - didnt know you knew perl... |
| 15:07 | Ben | cancel my BRB |
| 15:08 | I don't, but 3/5 of that is in the tmpl | |
| 15:08 | shaun | no it isn't |
| 15:08 | Ben | oh well |
| 15:08 | not another thing I'll be fixing in my extensive rewrite then | |
| 15:08 | shaun | you've missed a lot - we were talking about it (im about to dig it out...) |
| 15:09 | Ben | yes |
| 15:09 | shaun | <!-- TMPL_IF NAME="numberpending" --><h1 class="catalogue">Still <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="numberpending" --> requests to go</h1><!-- /TMPL_IF --> |
| 15:09 | paul | I hope to read you on koha-devel soon ;-) |
| 15:10 | shaun | ok - thanks paul, see you later |
| 15:10 | Ben | bye paul |
| 15:10 | thankyou for your help. < if you gave us help | |
| 15:10 | paul_bed | (i'll be on irc monday, not here the rest of the week -koha training) |
| 15:10 | Ben | see you on mon then paul |
| 15:11 | byeye | |
| 15:11 | brb | |
| 15:11 | paul_bed | (i'm GMT+2. If I read well, you're in UK, so we have close daytime ;-) ) |
| 15:16 | shaun | paul or another admin: my sourceforge account is shaunevans |
| 15:20 | Ben | brb, fetching items |
| 15:38 | back | |
| 15:39 | shaun | brb (rebooting) |
| 15:47 | back | |
| 15:47 | Ben | hi shaun |
| 15:47 | shaun | hi |
| 15:47 | are there any admins around? | |
| 15:50 | Ben | typical american |
| 15:58 | chris | *sigh* |
| 16:00 | shaun | chris: do you have admin rights on the sourceforge project? |
| 16:00 | chris | yep |
| 16:00 | and lets cut out the typical american stuff eh | |
| 16:01 | shaun | would you mind adding me (shaunevans) please? |
| 16:01 | chris | can do |
| 16:01 | ur just going to work on the templates right? | |
| 16:02 | Ben | yes. |
| 16:02 | mainly for our own library's purposes, though most of the changes we implement I feel should be adopted universally | |
| 16:03 | since, to put it crudely and bluntly, koha currently looks awful | |
| 16:03 | chris | your entitled to feel that |
| 16:03 | and if people think your right, theyll adopt them | |
| 16:03 | Ben | precisely |
| 16:04 | chris | but there is no need to be nasty about it |
| 16:04 | Ben | *mutter* whatever happened to equality.. |
| 16:04 | chris | same thing as happened to politeness? |
| 16:04 | Ben | that's not nasty, it's crude and blunt |
| 16:04 | apparently so. | |
| 16:05 | lol - I have just been told to respect my elders by an american | |
| 16:05 | chris | shaun: u are added now |
| 16:05 | Ben | anyway.... |
| 16:05 | chris | what has the fact owen is american got to do with anything? |
| 16:06 | crude blunt and racist too? | |
| 16:07 | Ben | nope. |
| 16:07 | I'll probably wake up tomorrow and wish I hadn't said any of this | |
| 16:07 | shaun | oops, havent been following this |
| 16:08 | ben, please - for goodness sake, stop this | |
| 16:08 | thanks, chris | |
| 16:09 | chris | so take what i say with a grain of salt :-) |
| 16:09 | Ben | but basically, I as a consciousness have equal rights to any other consciousness, e.g. owen, mr mitchell or anyone else |
| 16:09 | shaun | "mr mitchell" - why mr mitchell ?! |
| 16:10 | Ben | mr mitchell thinks he is superior to me because he is 35 years older, and he is not superior to me |
| 16:11 | chris | i think the problem is .. you are perhaps a little forceful in espousing those principles |
| 16:12 | shaun | why does mr mitchell think that and when has he conveyed that? I think that you are becoming unnecessarily arrogant about this. |
| 16:12 | Ben | mr mitchell thinks that because he is an idiot; I am arrogant perhaps, but am mentally level or superior to him |
| 16:13 | shaun | I object to that. |
| 16:13 | Ben | I have spent much of my life struggling against the fact that people say '14 years old... immature, idiotic, hyperactive, stupid' |
| 16:14 | chris | surely only 1 year *grin* |
| 16:14 | Ben | replace 14 with my age at the time |
| 16:14 | chris | so, i think this conversation is going nowhere |
| 16:15 | Ben | so do I |
| 16:15 | chris | i dont know you from a bar of soap |
| 16:15 | so lets just start over | |
| 16:15 | Ben | and I wish I could think of something to say that would stop me going on about this in such a stupid manner. |
| 16:15 | shaun | I struggle with that too - the big difference is that I am responsible and polite, and make good use of my responsibility both in open source projects and in the outside world, you do not. |
| 16:16 | Ben | I am polite when I want to be, and when I am in the mood to be polite. |
| 16:16 | shaun | (sorry to draw it out, but...) |
| 16:16 | Ben | currently I am in the mood for politeness, and so am being polite, including proper grammar |
| 16:17 | shaun | you don't need to say that a website's or a product's design is shocking, pathetic, crap, or any other words that mean much the same thing. |
| 16:18 | clearly you need to have a rethink about what "arrogant" is | |
| 16:18 | this is being logged, and i dont like it. | |
| 16:18 | Ben | me either. |
| 16:19 | shaun | if you said this on an apache mailing list about their site (which i made a design proposal for), you would be kicked and beaten by now. |
| 16:21 | chris: are you taking sides in this...? | |
| 16:21 | chris | none of my business |
| 16:22 | shaun | o... maybe we should fight this out on IM. |
| 16:22 | Ben | maybe we should just both shut up. |
| 16:23 | I am not in a mood for fighting, least of all with you | |
| 16:27 | chris | anyway, i wish ya the best of luck hacking away at the templates, im going to make a coffee |
| 17:02 | shaun | going to bed now - see you tomorrow... |
| 18:33 | rach | and goes back to gardening |
| 03:43 | shaun | Hi all |
| 03:45 | indradg | hey shaun |
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