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| 07:33 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:07 | matts | hi! |
| 08:50 | ashimema | Morning |
| 08:51 | cait1 | morning matts and ashimema :) |
| 08:51 | and #koha | |
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| 09:23 | PedroAmorim[m] | \o |
| 09:28 | cait1 | good morning PedroAmorim[m] |
| 09:29 | krimsonkharne[m] | morning #koha! |
| 09:33 | MatthewBlenkinsop[m] | o/ |
| 09:34 | ibnsina[m] | <ibnsina[m]> "image.png" <- any help ? |
| 09:35 | cait1 | I think you need to post your full question again and a link using an image service preferrably |
| 09:36 | ibnsina[m] | hello guys when enable <useldapserver>1<useldapserver> and login its return error 500... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]TqKGXfxNjeYNJQnYy>) |
| 09:36 | here is the full problem | |
| 09:41 | cait1 | someone knowledgeable about LDAP around? matts maybe? |
| 09:42 | ibnsina[m] | its been while im trying to connect with ldap still no help here i do the exact tutorial on official page |
| 09:44 | cait1 | it looks like the bind fails from the error - something in your configruation most likely |
| 09:45 | ibnsina[m] | i use the same as this command the command works fine |
| 09:45 | ldapsearch -x -LLL -H ldap://10.4.0.3 -D "cn=admin,OU=Students,OU=ISUMS,DC=isums,DC=jo" -w "password" -b "DC=isums,DC=jo" "(objectClass=user)" | |
| 09:46 | cait1 | i am not sure if OU and dc are repeatable int he koha configuration? |
| 09:46 | * ibnsina[m] | uploaded an image: (43KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]TwGpwzL/image.png > |
| 09:47 | ashimema | OU is I think.. dredging the brain here though |
| 09:47 | * ashimema | goes back to meeting |
| 09:48 | cait1 | hm yes it looks like it should work |
| 09:48 | i found a nice blog post, maybe that could help: https://openschoolsolutions.org/koha-ldap-setup/ | |
| 09:48 | they are using them lower case, but not sure if that could be the issue or not | |
| 09:48 | as I said before, I'd also set replicate and update to 0 for testing the auth part | |
| 09:49 | that removes a missing mapping from the potential issues | |
| 09:50 | ibnsina[m] | i tried it still same |
| 09:51 | cait1 | the principal_name in the example in the blog and yours look different |
| 09:52 | maybe that woudl be worth comparing/trying out | |
| 09:56 | ashimema | anyone around who might be willing help me work through the unit test on bug 30287? |
| 09:56 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30287 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , Notices using HTML render differently in notices.pl |
| 09:56 | ashimema | I'm stuck.. I can't make it fail for the life of me |
| 09:56 | cait1 | I can give it a try, but not before much later today I am afraid |
| 09:57 | davidnind | and I can't get it to pass.... |
| 09:57 | ashimema | it's weird isn't it |
| 09:57 | cait1 | you both have the same ktd variables? |
| 09:57 | like... OS and such? | |
| 09:57 | DBMS? | |
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| 09:58 | ashimema | I would think so |
| 10:00 | using ktd up without any flags to get it started davdinind? | |
| 10:00 | davidnind | default .env file (except for bugzilla info), ktd up (nothing additional) |
| 10:02 | ashimema | likewise |
| 10:02 | * ashimema | does a ktd pull for good measure |
| 10:03 | davidnind | there have been some commits to ktd over the last few days, so you will probably need a git pull as well |
| 10:03 | ashimema | yup |
| 10:03 | done that too# | |
| 10:06 | still passes every time for me! | |
| 10:06 | ☹️ | |
| 10:06 | grr | |
| 10:07 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 10:07 | ashimema | I could reduce what's being tested significantly and do a regex match.. but that feels like a reduction of coverage |
| 10:07 | so strange | |
| 10:07 | davidnind | I'm running the tests in the ktd shell (ktd --shell) |
| 10:07 | ashimema | yup |
| 10:07 | me too | |
| 10:08 | you didn't try to fix the QA script failure did you? | |
| 10:09 | i.e remove the trailing whitespace in the test file? | |
| 10:09 | that's all I can think of that would break it | |
| 10:09 | interesting | |
| 10:10 | davidnind | I didn't change anything in the patches - just applied, I even tried without the last follow-up patch, |
| 10:10 | ashimema | looking at the copy paste in bz.. there is indeed a whitespace difference.. one uses tabs whilst the other uses spaces |
| 10:10 | I wonder if it's a .git/config thing.. automatic changing of whitespace on apply | |
| 10:11 | using git bz apply I presume? | |
| 10:11 | davidnind | I am |
| 10:11 | * ashimema | tries on a fresh branch with apply from bz |
| 10:12 | ashimema | thats it! |
| 10:12 | wow | |
| 10:12 | that's a new one for me | |
| 10:12 | challenging | |
| 10:12 | cait1 | interesting |
| 10:12 | ashimema | it's this |
| 10:12 | cait1 | but glad you figured it out |
| 10:12 | ashimema | whitespace = trailing-space,space-before-tab + whitespace = fix |
| 10:12 | so.. | |
| 10:13 | git is auto-fixing the whitespace converting space to tab | |
| 10:13 | or was it tab to space | |
| 10:13 | either way. | |
| 10:13 | thanks | |
| 10:13 | now I can replicate I can fix | |
| 10:13 | davidnind | ashimema++ |
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| 10:13 | aw-bib[m] | this is noted somewhere in the koha dev notes. (just learned those settings myself.) |
| 10:13 | ashimema | indeed |
| 10:13 | it's there | |
| 10:14 | this is just an unexpected one for me.. as it's inside a HERE doc.. so the whitespace as is is important | |
| 10:14 | the autofix is annoying in my particular case | |
| 10:16 | cait1 | interesting we didn't run into issues earier |
| 10:16 | I believe that's been there forever | |
| 10:16 | ashimema | it's the HERE doc side of things |
| 10:16 | that's unusual | |
| 10:16 | to this patch | |
| 10:16 | and it's never been tested before | |
| 10:16 | I could just remove all the whitespace | |
| 10:16 | but it's a tad annoying | |
| 10:17 | cait1 | doesn't it remove only trailing? |
| 10:17 | ashimema | right |
| 10:17 | the HERE doc add the css inport | |
| 10:17 | cait1 | t |
| 10:17 | ashimema | if the pref is empty, it adds an empty line |
| 10:17 | instead of the stylesheet | |
| 10:18 | it's that empty line that's the issue | |
| 10:18 | in the test I leave it as 4 whitespaces (which is the indent level of the stylesheet import) | |
| 10:18 | which is what the module does | |
| 10:18 | but the git hook is saying.. this is a whitespace only line.. get rid of all the whitespace | |
| 10:19 | ibnsina[m] | <cait1> "the principal_name in the..." <- its opptinal |
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| 10:25 | ashimema | darn.. did cait1 drop off |
| 10:33 | OK.. that should work now | |
| 10:34 | updated the test to use the same syntax style as the notice generator | |
| 10:51 | cait | no she is here |
| 10:51 | just... cait | |
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| 11:21 | tcohen[m] | hola #koha o/ |
| 11:25 | cait | hola tcohen |
| 11:36 | bbiab | |
| 11:46 | eythian_ | hi |
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| 12:27 | magnuse_ | kia ora eythian |
| 12:35 | tcohen[m] | Joubu++ |
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| 12:57 | tcohen[m] | tuxayo++ |
| 13:16 | cait | fresh bug incoming... bug 33519 |
| 13:16 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Update description of ILS-DI:AuthorizedIPs |
| 13:16 | cait | hm and that was the wrong bug number, again :D |
| 13:17 | bug 35319 | |
| 13:17 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35319 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Default sorting of the holdings table with OPACHoldingsDefaultSortField is broken |
| 13:35 | aw-bib[m] | I just stumbled upon a 500 error when I tried to open the details view. this happens on a specific title. any hint where to dig why this error happend? (I assume I did something wrong during record migration and it's only a dev-box. but I should fix it before it becomes a prod box, especially for this high demand title ;) |
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| 13:38 | cait | OPAC? |
| 13:38 | or staff interface? or both? | |
| 13:41 | aw-bib[m]: ^ | |
| 13:42 | if you just see it in the OPAC my bet would be on empty itemtype in the items | |
| 13:42 | you'll also want to check homebranch/holdingbranch next | |
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| 14:02 | * oleonard | waves to oleonard-away |
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| 14:20 | aw-bib[m] | cait: opac, staff seems fine. and indeed it seems as you say an empty item type, even though the display in staff got me `Books` (aka `BK`). |
| 14:21 | at least editing the items, set `BK` explicitly and `save` did cure the record. hm. | |
| 14:21 | if I get the gist right: first bet would be that some of the authorized values are wrong/missing/get dropped as they were wrong during loading, right? | |
| 14:22 | cait | maybe you got an itemtype on record level but not i the item? |
| 14:22 | aw-bib[m] | hm. I'll check my record conversion for this. |
| 14:22 | cait | also... SQL and Perl are different, check your spelling exactly matches (case sensitive) |
| 14:23 | aw-bib[m] | I don't dare to say that the converter is in, uhm, the snake language ;) |
| 14:23 | but I'll check. :) | |
| 14:25 | btw: I managed to migrate movement data by replaying all loans. I'll just need to fiddle out why koha sometimes initiates a transfer. (iow currently I have to switch off automatic transfers before the replay otherwise it will die.) | |
| 14:34 | cait | i had a phone call in between, what I meant was: if we say SELECT ... frm items where itemtype = "bks" it will also give you the BKS and maybe even the ones with a space |
| 14:34 | if you ask Perl it will do an exact match itemtype eq "bks" won't find your BKS | |
| 14:35 | stuff like this can often explain a bit of strange behaviour | |
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| 14:35 | cait | ut also if you have set 942$y with an item type and you edit an item that has no itemtype, it will suggest the one from biblio-level - so it might appear as auto-fixing itself on save |
| 14:40 | aw-bib[m]: hope that made sense, but hectic here today | |
| 14:40 | aw-bib[m] | I'll check that I added the vocabulary in my converter in a case sensitive manner. I think I did, but checking again. - I understood this suggestion, that is I did not see a difference once I edited the items, but after the save the thing was cured, hence I assume it was empty. |
| 14:41 | cait | it does sound like it |
| 14:41 | we've had lots of fun with an additional space at the end of the branchcode and such things | |
| 14:42 | usually a transfer will be initiated if your homebranch and holdingbranch not match | |
| 14:42 | ... and we did have that happen with SIP when the homebranch was wrongly spelled capitalization wise in the SIP2 config... so it could be something like that for you too | |
| 14:44 | aw-bib[m] | homebranch of the patron vs. the branch of the item. this is how I understood it at least. but during my replay I try to make sure that koha checks it out and returns it to the same library. I'll double check that it uses the same cases all the time. |
| 14:45 | cait | how are you playing them back? |
| 14:45 | aw-bib[m] | koha's perl api. |
| 14:45 | cait | I would expect the transports only to happen for holds or checkins usually |
| 14:46 | aw-bib[m] | C4::Circulation, Koha::Items, Koha::Patrons and driedns. |
| 14:46 | cait | because patrons can check out at different branches |
| 14:47 | aw-bib[m] | yea, but we don't have that info in our old system. so I only have checkout barcode to patron and return plus dates. |
| 14:48 | so I end up calling `C4::Circulation::AddIssue()` and `C4::Circulation::AddReturn()` using `$returnbranch = $item->holdingsbranch` | |
| 14:49 | cait | hm I'd think that the place of the transaction should appear there somewhere |
| 14:51 | aw-bib[m] | as far as I understood only in the AddReturn($barcode, $returnbranch, 1, $returndate). |
| 14:53 | tcohen[m] | Joubu++ # awesome |
| 14:53 | Joubu++ # work | |
| 14:54 | Joubu++ # with | |
| 14:54 | Joubu++ # weblate | |
| 14:55 | cait | it might be context somewhere |
| 14:55 | like the user doing it | |
| 14:55 | for a checkout it's definitely also recorded where it happens and the hldingbranch would be changed accordingly | |
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| 15:48 | * ashimema | is wishing he'd not started digging into notices again |
| 15:50 | oleonard | :D |
| 15:54 | * oleonard | is wishing he wasn't trying to get ktd running on a Windows machine today |
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| 16:06 | cait | ashimema: I was just there too... have you ever tried to print the fine in an overdue? but not the full fine for the checkout, the fine that was applied that very day (increade/descrease). it seems possible, but it's getting complex |
| 16:06 | oloh i missed oleonard-away :( | |
| 16:12 | ashimema | mm, nothing in notices is easy at the moment |
| 16:12 | I was trying to work out sensible preferences from what we've currently got.. | |
| 16:12 | the deeper I dug the more confused I got and the more I wanted to tear it down | |
| 16:21 | cait | I have probably a bit less destructive tendencies... today |
| 16:21 | I was thinking we should have a method to give that back :) | |
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| 16:48 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:07 | oleonard | I've been tinkering with this: https://snipboard.io/wCLpUD.jpg |
| 17:08 | ashimema | I like that |
| 17:08 | though I'm not sure if red or yellow for the button it right there | |
| 17:09 | whilst I understand your reasoning.. isn't the fact it's a confirmation dialogue in the first place enough warning? | |
| 17:09 | * ashimema | contemplates |
| 17:13 | oleonard | ashimema: Yeah could be, I wondered about that too |
| 17:14 | cait | hm I think yellow might be more in line with our non-written style guide, but I like the red too |
| 17:14 | I more wonder if we need the green background heh | |
| 17:16 | *hides* | |
| 17:16 | ashimema | what would you replace it with cait? |
| 17:16 | cait | I think I expected white |
| 17:16 | because usually we have that behind the buttons | |
| 17:16 | ashimema | I still want a more formal guide for modals |
| 17:16 | cait | but I knwo it's a modal, so different rlues might apply |
| 17:16 | yep, style guie woudl be nice | |
| 17:17 | ashimema | really.. all the modals have green header/footers |
| 17:17 | cait | but we have a terminology list and noone follows it... so |
| 17:17 | ashimema | or am I looking at the wrong thing? |
| 17:17 | QA can point at them if they exist | |
| 17:17 | I try to stick to terminology | |
| 17:17 | cait | yes, I think it#s a general modal thing,so disregard my comment |
| 17:18 | ashimema: I am just a little grumpy because I started translating and already have a growing list of things to file heh | |
| 17:18 | ashimema | what I do sorta wonder however is whether we should vary that modal header/footer background depending on the modal action though.. |
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| 17:18 | * cait | waves at caroline |
| 17:18 | cait | we should ask caroline! |
| 17:19 | ashimema | this is a 'delete' confirm.. i.e a potentially dangerous action.. so whilst I think the main action button should be consistent with our 'primary' class.. the modal itself could signify a little more that it's a destructive action? |
| 17:19 | mellow read header/footer? | |
| 17:19 | caroline | ask me what? |
| 17:19 | ashimema | just some random meanderings there really... |
| 17:20 | cait | modals |
| 17:20 | (18:07:44) oleonard: I've been tinkering with this: https://snipboard.io/wCLpUD.jpg | |
| 17:20 | ashimema | I'm also still hung up on 'alert' vs 'modal' vs 'info' box in places 😜 |
| 17:20 | cait | button and background colors |
| 17:20 | caroline | so the debate is over the "This action will cancel 4 holds" and the confirm button? |
| 17:21 | ashimema | I converted one in cataloguing recently (and it was definitely nicer as a full width box in this case) but realised after we now have a mix of 'alert' middle yellow box and 'warning' full width.. |
| 17:21 | yup | |
| 17:21 | 'this hold' vs 'these holds' too 😜 | |
| 17:21 | comes to mind in this particular case | |
| 17:22 | caroline | yes I was a bit confused by that (this vs these) |
| 17:22 | * ashimema | thinks oleonard is now regretting showing me this |
| 17:22 | cait | same |
| 17:22 | caroline | I was wondering why cancelling a hold would cancel 4... I would have thought about it twice before clicking the button |
| 17:22 | * cait | sends oleonard cookies |
| 17:23 | * ashimema | send oleonard beer |
| 17:23 | caroline | this is when you select multiple holds to cancel I'm guessing |
| 17:23 | oleonard | Oh nice I have lunch sorted :D |
| 17:23 | caroline: Yes | |
| 17:23 | caroline | speaking of lunch, bbl |
| 17:23 | oleonard | Bug 33174 |
| 17:23 | huginn` | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Signed Off , Have better indication when one is cancelling multiple holds on a record |
| 17:23 | * ashimema | checks on dinner |
| 17:24 | caroline | I have a trining in 40 minutes and must have had lunch before... |
| 17:24 | *training | |
| 17:49 | davidnind | oleonard: I think that looks much better |
| 17:51 | the only confusion I had was between the title (Confirm deletion) and the text and buttons (cancel, Confirm cancellation) - so may maybe the title should be "Confirm cancellation" | |
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| 18:11 | oleonard | That's a good point davidnind |
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| 18:48 | StVincentMaintenance[m] | I started a few weeks ago and got pulled away.... starting again. Trying to move our current library system away from "Primasoft's - Handy Library Manager" into Koha. Has anyone done this? |
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| 19:31 | StVincentMaintenance[m] | I have the data exported into an excel sheet and none of the books have ISBN or ISSN ... a lot have dewey |
| 19:31 | oleonard | StVincentMaintenance[m]: You might try searching the web for advice on converting excel to MARC |
| 19:32 | Koha wants a MARC file for importing records | |
| 19:46 | StVincentMaintenance[m] | right, however the Handy Library" doesn't use MARC.... |
| 19:46 | oleonard | That's why I recommend searching the web for advice on converting excel to MARC |
| 19:47 | StVincentMaintenance[m] | it has a lot of Dewey |
| 19:47 | I found one and it does a lot , just not Handy Library | |
| 19:56 | cait | I don't think you will find one for Handy Library to MARC |
| 19:56 | it doesn't appear to be a very common system | |
| 19:57 | you wil have to make up your own mappings | |
| 19:57 | Dewey is nice, but not unique enough to identify a book/item | |
| 19:59 | tuxayo | St. Vincent Maintenance: did you have ISBN or ISSN in Handy Library Manager? |
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| 20:01 | davidnind | tuxayo: see early comment, none of the books have ISBNs |
| 20:03 | tuxayo | davidnind: I interpreted that as the export didn't have ISBNs. But my message wasn't clear that I was responding to that. |
| 20:05 | So yeah it was confusing ^^" | |
| 20:05 | davidnind | I was assuming that there were no ISBNs in the system |
| 20:06 | 🙂 | |
| 20:06 | tuxayo | Quite probable it's actually that 👍️ |
| 20:11 | Shane-NP[m] | Can I pass the OPAC username and password in via URL? I want to use a chromebook in managed guest session, but it can't save usernames and password |
| 20:13 | cait | oleonard-away: the OpacMoreSeraches is confusing, see comment on bug :) |
| 20:23 | davidnind | Shane-NP: I don't really know, but don't think you can. dcook would probably know including other options, but Australia is still waking up - maybe check with him in a couple of hours |
| 20:24 | Shane-NP[m] | Thanks, I am heading off for the day myself, maybe I can catch him in my early hours :) |
| 20:27 | cait | I'd worry about browser history etc.... it doesn't seem like a terribly save way of doing things |
| 20:29 | davidnind | Thinks I learned through random searching, Library Carpentry has an 'Alpha' lesson on using MarcEdit http://librarycarpentry.org/lc-marcedit/ |
| 20:34 | caroline_catlady | Shane-NP[m], I don't think it's possible either. Like cait, I'd worry about safety. What is it that you're trying to achieve with this guest account? |
| 20:36 | tcohen[m] | @later tell Joubu can you please check the two follow-ups on bug 34517 |
| 20:36 | huginn` | tcohen[m]: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:41 | * StVincentMaintenance[m] | posted a file: (1066KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]ort-10-26-23..txt > |
| 20:41 | StVincentMaintenance[m] | here is one part of the library export |
| 20:43 | caroline | StVincentMaintenance[m], check this video from last year, fred and lauren show how they convert csv to mrc to import into koha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVeIFVkgP6o |
| 20:44 | StVincentMaintenance[m] | thanks |
| 20:47 | caroline | I have never done it that way personally, we have inhouse tools to convert csv to marc, but if they can do it, i'm sure you can do it too! |
| 20:58 | davidnind | St. Vincent Maintenance: I had a quick look at the data, one thing I noted was that there was no title - that would be quite a challenge with so many items! |
| 21:01 | Apart from that, most of it seems OK, but a bit of tidy is required for some items - I've used OpenRefine to tidy up data before, but it might be a bit overkill (ideally you want your data as clean and tidy as possible) | |
| 21:05 | Once you've got the data tidy, you need to map the columns to MARC21 fields (most look like they will map easily - I'm not sure about ID, IDNO, and PRINT_C columns - assume that they relate to the current system) | |
| 21:06 | I think I would also recommend putting the DATE_ADDED column in ISO format, that is YYYY-MM-DD (but this may not be an issue...) | |
| 21:10 | Also, whatever codes you use for item types (TYPE column) and shelving location (CATEGORY column (?)) need to match what you set up in Koha | |
| 21:11 | But you definitely need to get the title out of your existing system..... | |
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