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06:37 | reiveune | hello |
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07:30 | cait | good morning all |
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07:45 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Hello. I want to ask how to change the reader for pdf files in Koha? |
07:52 | cait | Koha doesn't include a reader for PDF files |
07:52 | itt comes from your system/browser addons | |
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07:52 | cait | Koha only links to PDF files - how they are opened is outside of the application |
07:53 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Ok, but is it possible to connect to link in the bibliographic record with my one reader |
07:54 | s/to/the/ | |
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08:43 | asif | Help: Hi i am new koha 23.05 user i want to know when i enter record by clicking cataloging> Add MARC record please let me know about required field like 040$C Transcribing agency mandatory field what to write here or can i skip this field. |
08:46 | krimsonkharne[m] | grr.. won't be able to join the Documentation Meeting today, too many projects open at the same time.. |
08:47 | krimsonkharnesF43BIIowoNiL4p | |
08:47 | whoops lol | |
08:48 | asif: you can always check out the LOC info about a MARC field using the question mark link next to the field | |
08:48 | here for instance: https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd040.html | |
08:48 | "MARC code or the name of the organization that transcribed the record into machine-readable form. " | |
08:48 | afaik it's usually the ISIL of the transcribing organization, which if you're the library transcribing the record, then it would be you | |
08:49 | paulderscheid[m] | krimsonkharne[m]: Welcome to the club krimsonkharne :D |
08:49 | krimsonkharne[m] | lol |
08:50 | it'll be better after tomorrow. I'll follow the meeting notes :-) | |
08:53 | LOC being one of the most important organs for MARC data, by the way.. at least MARC21.. always good to check their explanations asif | |
08:55 | asif | Krimsonkharne means LOC value will come here am i right? |
08:55 | aw-bib[m] | I was actually wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to have an uplink to LoC docs in the interface. the urls can be constructed like https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd%s.html replacing %s by the field tag (which I use for ages as a search shortcut in ff) |
08:57 | krimsonkharne[m] | asif: no, you would enter the MARC code or name of the organization that transcribed the data. I'm no librarian nor an expert, so I don't know if the field is even strictly necessary. Our clients often have the ISIL of the library from which they got MARC data in 040$c - for instance if I imported data from the german national library, it already has their ISIL in 040$a. But I don't know if it's necessary to fill the field with your own |
08:57 | ISIL if you're cataloguing yourself and not importing data. | |
08:58 | g2g now.. later all! | |
08:59 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Hello. I want to ask, is it possible to change the interface view of normal view? |
09:08 | davidnind | Nikolay Gospodinov: If you know XSLT, you can customise - see the OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay system preference (I don't know anything about XSLT, so not much help I'm afraid) |
09:14 | aw-bib: for MARC21, the ? next to each tag in the record editor goes to the Library of Congress information (unless you have changed the MarcFieldDocURL system preference) (for UNIMARC, the link to IFLA no longer works properly since they updated their website a few years ago) | |
09:15 | aw-bib[m] | indeed! I missed the ? as a link. perfect! :) |
09:15 | cait | aw-bib[m]: the link is also configurable, I think there might be a german translation now that is similarly structured |
09:16 | i usually prefer the English original :) | |
09:16 | aw-bib[m] | dito. usually translations tend to add confusion. ;) |
09:31 | cait | they also tend to be more current |
09:55 | magnuse | davidnind++ |
09:57 | cait | Joubu: I am going to test bug 33606 - anything I should know? |
09:57 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33606 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Access to ERM requires parameters => 'manage_sysprefs' |
09:59 | Joubu | you should know how to fix the FA problems |
09:59 | cait | FA? |
09:59 | yarn build? | |
09:59 | Joubu | font awesome, the icons |
09:59 | "I've noticed some icons missing." | |
09:59 | cait | hm ok |
10:00 | not usre if I know where there have been icons before | |
10:00 | I was just hoping to finally get this rolling because it blocks use of ERM in 23.05 | |
10:01 | I'll have a go | |
10:02 | isit because we have the older FA in 23.05? | |
10:02 | then I can probably figure it out | |
10:03 | just git fetching, will start after lunch | |
10:11 | krimsonkharne[m] | back again.. |
10:13 | <cait> "i usually prefer the English..." <- we tried configuring the link to use the DNB / German National Library MARC21 tag descriptions, it would have worked but unfortunately DNB has their tag descriptions in a PDF document, not on a website... so you can't really link to a specific tag in the PDF | |
10:13 | at least, I can't ;-) | |
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10:36 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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10:41 | asif | anyone configured openssl on koha site i mean https who can help me koha 23.05 on ubuntu 22.04 |
10:44 | cait | krimsonkharne[m]: I think the kobv did something for the Alma libraries |
10:45 | that matches the LOC | |
10:45 | but I didn't find it in a quick search earlier | |
10:45 | krimsonkharne[m] | oh, good to know.. I'll take a look |
10:45 | cait | i'll check our wiki, maybe the link is hiding there :) |
10:46 | krimsonkharne[m] | got it maybe? |
10:46 | https://www.alma-dach.org/alma[…]phic/001/001.html | |
10:46 | cait | ah |
10:46 | I think that's it | |
10:46 | krimsonkharne[m] | that's a great tip, thanks cait! |
10:46 | cait++ | |
10:46 | cait | I am not sure if there are any Alma specifics in it |
10:47 | krimsonkharne[m] | I'm sure we'll find out ;-) |
10:47 | cait | possibly :) |
10:47 | if you have the link structure figured out, maybe you can share how to set the pref | |
10:47 | i'd add that to our docs | |
10:52 | krimsonkharne[m] | hmm.. unfortunately it looks like you can only use a given placeholder once in the url in the pref MarcFieldDocURL |
10:52 | and the alma-dach links use the field number twice in the url | |
10:53 | so if you add the following to the syspref:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]HQeuzSdpPGvMpqfDY>) | |
10:55 | wait | |
10:55 | never mind | |
10:55 | you can just open https://www.alma-dach.org/alma[…]rc/bibliographic/{FIELD} | |
10:55 | yeah https://www.alma-dach.org/alma[…]rc/bibliographic/{FIELD} works just fine in MarcFieldDocURL | |
10:56 | also alma-dach doesn't have koha specific fields like 942$ | |
10:56 | maybe we should do a koha-dach MARC21 tag descriptions website at some point... :-) | |
11:02 | tcohen[m] | morning #koha |
11:03 | cait | krimsonkharne[m]: that's... not a half-bad idea :) |
11:04 | I was also hesitating to put alma branded links in my koha ;) | |
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11:06 | krimsonkharne[m] | yeah, I see how it could lead to problems if the users don't know it's alma specific |
11:06 | cait: let's talk about it in our next koha-dach meeting, I'll put it on my agenda! | |
11:07 | cait | I am not sure if that one is or if the work is just funded by their user group |
11:10 | aw-bib[m] | I wonder how kobv did it. I mean, I do not fully exclude that they had a very diligent librarian just hacking it down from the official dnb document, but maybe there is also some machine readable version at dnb. could be tath it's based on the xls sheet published by dnb at https://www.dnb.de/DE/Professi[…]/marc21_node.html |
11:12 | cait | I could probably find out if needed |
11:14 | krimsonkharne++ btw :) | |
11:14 | krimsonkharne[m] | :) |
11:15 | aw-bib[m]: that would make sense | |
11:17 | cait | where did you see the machine readable one? |
11:18 | aw-bib[m] | there is an xls packed into a zip-file. |
11:18 | cait | ah ok |
11:18 | aw-bib[m] | https://www.dnb.de/SharedDocs/[…]blicationFile&v=4 |
11:18 | cait | I hadn't opened it |
11:18 | thx! | |
11:19 | aw-bib[m] | :) |
11:20 | krimsonkharne[m] | aw-bib++ |
11:20 | cait | it's nice to see the growig number of German users online here :) |
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11:24 | marcelr | o/ |
11:24 | cait | hi marcelr |
11:24 | marcelr | guten tag cait |
11:25 | cait | do you want to join our German speaking Koha users group? :) |
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11:28 | aude_c[m] | Hello, we'll be starting the Koha Documentation meeting in a few minutes. We'll be using Jitsi Meet and taking some notes in here. See https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_25_October_2023 for meeting link and full details |
11:28 | marie-luce | Hi Koha |
11:29 | cait | Joubu: fixed the icons |
11:29 | :) | |
11:29 | hi all | |
11:29 | hm or maybe not... but working on it | |
11:31 | krimsonkharne[m] | aude_c[m]: great, I can join after all then! I had the time wrong in my calendar |
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11:33 | marcelr | @later tell tcohen[m] 31503 rebased |
11:33 | huginn | marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
11:34 | marie-luce | <#startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-10-25 |
11:34 | #chair marie-luce | |
11:34 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_25_October_2023 | |
11:34 | #topic Introductions | |
11:35 | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Qc | |
11:35 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions |
11:35 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
11:35 | krimsonkharne[m] | #info Philip Orr, LMSCloud, Germany |
11:36 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
11:36 | juggling meetings as ever however 😜 | |
11:36 | marie-luce | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-10-25 |
11:36 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Oct 25 11:36:16 2023 UTC. The chair is marie-luce. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
11:36 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
11:36 | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2023_10_25' | |
11:36 | aude_c[m] | #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK |
11:36 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
11:36 | marie-luce | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_25_October_2023 |
11:36 | #topic Introductions | |
11:36 | krimsonkharne[m] | #info Philip Orr, LMSCloud, Germany |
11:36 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions |
11:36 | SMeynieux[m] | #info Sophie Meynieux, BibLibre |
11:36 | marie-luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Qc |
11:36 | davidnind | #info David Nind, New Zealand |
11:36 | marie-luce | #chair marie-luce |
11:36 | huginn | Current chairs: marie-luce |
11:37 | marie-luce | #chair kellym |
11:37 | huginn | Current chairs: kellym marie-luce |
11:37 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
11:37 | (slightly distracted, but here) :) | |
11:37 | aude_c[m] | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibrom Canada |
11:38 | marie-luce | #topic Review of action points |
11:39 | tcohen[m] | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi |
11:40 | marie-luce | #info the project of automated screenshot is still ongoing |
11:44 | #info Caroline mentioned that at this point we believe only 65% of all images can be automated | |
11:45 | #topic What's been done so far | |
11:46 | #info automated screenshots | |
11:46 | #info Caroline and Joubu are looking on how it can be done | |
11:47 | kellym | #action use cypress to generate the code for 10 easy images - this code will be helpful to Joubu |
11:47 | marie-luce | #topic How to maintain only one manual |
11:48 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32391 | |
11:48 | huginn | 04Bug 32391: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Reorganise the manual contents |
11:51 | marie-luce | #info Joubu talked about the possibility to remove older versions (in every language) in the next month |
11:53 | #idea Sophie is concerned about undocumented functionalities in the current version | |
11:58 | kellym | #info all older manuals are available on the Koha website under documentation. |
11:59 | marie-luce | #info Joubu would love to clean and ease the way the current manual is maintain in only one git branch. |
12:00 | cait | sorry afk for a few minutes |
12:02 | marie-luce | #info From 23.11, we will only maintain one manual |
12:02 | #topic Re-organising the manual (David Nind) | |
12:02 | cait | back |
12:03 | marie-luce | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32391 |
12:03 | huginn | 04Bug 32391: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Reorganise the manual contents |
12:06 | marie-luce | #info David ask for some feedbacks. Please add them in the bz32391. |
12:10 | #idea Maybe, we could add a summary of new features in the manual. | |
12:10 | #topic Migration to Weblate (Joubu) | |
12:16 | #info Joubu suggest to downsized by keeping only one file. | |
12:22 | #info There are some concerns about losing the various chapters (aka files), since there are used to prioritize sections that need to be translated first. | |
12:24 | #info At the moment, Pootle allows to search sections which is very useful. | |
12:26 | #topic Documentation Team roles for 24.05 | |
12:26 | #info Please add your names... | |
12:27 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_24.05 | |
12:28 | #info Next meeting: 29 Novembere 2023, 14 UTC | |
12:30 | davidnind | #endmeeting |
12:30 | marie-luce | #endmeeting |
12:30 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Oct 25 12:30:29 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
12:30 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-10-25-11.36.html | |
12:30 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-10-25-11.36.txt | |
12:30 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]25-11.36.log.html | |
12:30 | davidnind | marie-luce++ |
12:30 | marie-luce | thanks davidnind |
12:31 | davidnind | I think it was your one that worked! |
12:31 | oleonard | doc_team++ |
12:34 | aude_c[m] | marie-luce++ |
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12:53 | ashimema | marcelr around? |
12:53 | marcelr | yes |
12:53 | go ahead | |
12:54 | ashimema | I'm not really sure what still needs doing on bug 29523 |
12:54 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29523 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, BLOCKED , Add a way to prevent embedding objects that should not be allowed |
12:54 | marcelr | yes i was just thinking the same actually :) |
12:54 | ashimema | are you suggesting going through the specs and accepting 'Or null' and that would get us over the line? |
12:54 | or do you feel there's still more to do | |
12:54 | marcelr | i would not like to change specs now |
12:55 | there is perhaps more to do but perhaps on follow-up ? | |
12:55 | ashimema | think I need some guidance on next steps.. happy to work on them but I'm out of ideas |
12:55 | marcelr | just a bit worried on developer issues with mismatches between our subs and the specs |
12:56 | ashimema | mm |
12:56 | marcelr | we should not make life too much harder |
12:56 | and Joubu's remark about doing it on embeds only | |
12:57 | ashimema | mm.. I kinda feel like that's what we're actually doing already.. though not deliberately |
12:57 | maybe I'm wrong | |
12:57 | i'm going on memory rather than having looked at the code again | |
12:58 | marcelr | we make very limited use now of accessible/redact; so the current stand does not harm |
12:58 | and can be fine tuned later? | |
12:58 | ashimema | mmm, though I totally get where you're coming from wanting to get it all done |
12:59 | I'm just also aware this has held up other devs (or opened up security leaks in other bugs by not being here yet) for a couple of years already | |
12:59 | marcelr | yeah we need to push a version now before friday |
12:59 | ashimema | not quite 2 years.. but only a month off. |
12:59 | good guess | |
13:00 | marcelr | i dont think that a hasty overhaul now will make us more happy |
13:00 | i am inclined to pass qa now | |
13:00 | ashimema | agreed |
13:01 | I am tempted to add some additional documentation into the top of the spec file.. to clarify 'public' vs 'accessible' as it were | |
13:01 | for consumers | |
13:01 | marcelr | that would be helpful |
13:01 | ashimema | we don't really describe out behaviour at all yet |
13:01 | marcelr | please add it |
13:02 | ashimema | we just implement it without |
13:02 | I'll do that now.. I have an hour before me next meeting | |
13:02 | marcelr | i will still think about it too and pqa after |
13:02 | ashimema | maybe just documenting it will help clarify in my own mind what's outstanding and if that outstanding is 'NOW' or 'Can wait, with commitment to follow up' |
13:02 | thanks | |
13:06 | oleonard | I could use advice on how to update my patches moving sysprefs to additional_contents |
13:06 | I'm not sure what is the correct way to get the insert id from the additional_contents insert for the additional_contents_localization insert | |
13:08 | If anyone knows an example to point me to...? | |
13:10 | Joubu | oleonard: bug number? |
13:11 | oleonard | Bug 34894 |
13:11 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34894 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Convert OpacSuppressionMessage system preference to HTML customization |
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13:11 | Joubu | marcelr: looks like it already works for embed only |
13:12 | it does not affect /patrons/{patron_id} | |
13:12 | oleonard: git grep last_insert_id | |
13:13 | marcelr | i was testing it with libraries and it affects /libraries (also without embed) |
13:13 | Joubu | oleonard: If I understand correctly what you are looking for |
13:13 | marcelr | look at the code; there is a loop for fields and embeds |
13:20 | oleonard | Thanks Joubu |
13:23 | Joubu | oleonard: IIRC the best is the retrieve the ID. Apparently you have the 3 values for the primary key, so you could fetch it |
13:24 | The problem is that last_insert_id will retrieve the last inserted ID, but if the query before failed, you get a wrong one | |
13:25 | otoh the upgrade should crash if the INSERT failed. But if later we add 'IGNORE' to the insert, it could be problematic (to confirm...) | |
13:26 | oleonard | Okay |
13:39 | ashimema | we do use some 'search_limited' stuff I think.. adding this stuff in does confuse that.. we're going to end up with searches that limit and embeds that don't.. I think? |
13:40 | and 404's on direct get where we might now want a redacted object instead | |
13:40 | but I still think maybe we should go with what we've got and add next steps to the roadmap for the next cycle | |
13:40 | I feel like a lot will become more achievable with a switch to OpenAPI3+ | |
13:40 | right now we're missing a lot of validation because OpenAPI2/Swagger simply doesn't support it. | |
13:46 | caroline | Someone asked me in private what is 040$c but when I answered, the nick doesn't exist anymore... so here is my answer for the logs, in case anyone searches for 040$c |
13:46 | Normally, 040$c contains your library's code. It's mostly useful if you share records, so that other libraries know who catalogued the record. You can remove the mandatory flag in Administration > MARC bibliographic framework > Default framework (or other) > MARC structure > 040 > Edit subfields > c > uncheck Mandatory > Save | |
13:54 | marcelr | ashimema will take a last dive in the wonderous world of api embedding :) |
13:55 | could use a dive cert | |
13:55 | ashimema | PADI1 |
13:55 | 🙂 | |
13:57 | marcelr | Peptidyl arginine deiminase ? |
13:59 | * ashimema | was thinking of https://www.padi.com |
13:59 | marcelr | sure lol |
14:00 | * marcelr | so glad to have entered the first reference to Peptidyl in our irc logs :) |
14:01 | ashimema | lol |
14:23 | caroline | I'm looking at the weblate interface and it seems easy to search by "location" (i.e. manual chapter) to translate only that one chapter and the strings seem to be in order of the chapter rather than alpahbetical https://snipboard.io/LQW84m.jpg |
14:24 | not that I want to relaunch what seemed to be a controversial discussion lol | |
14:30 | marcelr | ashimema: in the API we call search_limited if it is available (Plugin/Objects.pm: $result_set = $result_set->search_limited, if $result_set->can('search_limited');) |
14:31 | ashimema | indeed |
14:32 | that's where I'm a bit opaque at the minute.. it sort of hides some things.. but in a rather different way | |
14:32 | by limiting the search scoping | |
14:32 | meeting time for me now.. be back in about an hour | |
14:32 | marcelr | see you later |
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15:17 | caroline | cait still around? |
15:22 | oleonard | Any QA around who could check my follow-up on Bug 34869? |
15:22 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34869 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Convert OPACResultsSidebar system preference to HTML customization |
15:22 | cait | yes, but just packing up |
15:22 | soemthing quick? | |
15:23 | caroline | depends... I just wanted to let you know that we now have the kohacon website at the https://2024.kohacon.org/ domain |
15:23 | if you could change it on the website, but it's really not urgent | |
15:24 | cait | can you remind me tomorrow maybe? |
15:24 | caroline | sure no prob! |
15:24 | cait | just in case i forget |
15:25 | thx! | |
15:25 | bye all | |
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15:30 | reiveune | bye |
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16:57 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks for taking care of bug 33766 oleonard :) oleonard++ |
16:57 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33766 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Needs Signoff , Accessibility: Fix ambiguous form-field in opac-auth.tt |
17:03 | oleonard | You're welcome paulderscheid[m], I was in a rebasing mood |
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17:28 | cait1 | caroline: updated the website link |
17:40 | inlibro++ # doing a great job already! | |
17:47 | davidnind | caroline++ |
17:47 | inlibro++ | |
18:01 | caroline: only one email came through for the Kohacon24 update | |
18:16 | caroline | cait1++ thanks! |
18:17 | davidnind, thanks! I couldn't find it in the archives so I sent it again. It's not the first time this happens, I'm not sure why it does | |
18:18 | davidnind | thta would be very annoying! |
19:12 | oleonard | We could simplify the licenses tab a lot to avoid those translation issues. For example: https://snipboard.io/QitqwD.jpg |
19:13 | caroline | I like! Simple and says what it needs to say |
19:15 | oleonard | Some of the entries include copyright information, and I think we should leave it out. A link to the project and the license should be enough |
19:16 | caroline | as long as we have what is required by the project/plugin |
19:17 | * cait1 | waves |
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