IRC log for #koha, 2023-09-13

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04:20 oleonard joined #koha
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05:29 reiveune hello
05:34 ashimema davidnind++
05:35 davidnind++
05:35 @karma
05:35 huginn ashimema: Highest karma: "Joubu" (1224), "cait" (1034), and "ashimema" (855).  Lowest karma: "-" (-85), "failed" (-53), and "ie" (-41).  You (ashimema) are ranked 3 out of 1284.
05:35 dcook__ Already that time of day, eh?
05:35 ashimema Morning koha
05:36 * ashimema is checking email from bed.. before first coffee
05:36 ashimema How are you dcook_
05:36 Thanks for working on the security buhs
05:36 I mean to take a look today
05:37 dcook ashimema: I thought it was a bit early for you still!
05:37 And thanks ^_^
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06:16 ashimema Has anyone told you your emails are often marked as spam from Gmail dcook?
06:17 Maybe it's the lists serve actually
06:18 It's odd though, I've noticed it particularly with your mails.. Gmail constantly marks them a spam even though I've clicked the option to mark as not spam
06:19 dcook ashimema: Nope. No one has said that to me and I've seen my work emails in Gmail and they haven't been marked as spam? I might do a little test now..
06:19 I haven't seen listserv emails from me in gmail though..
06:20 I've noticed some people get my emails and extra whitespace gets added so I wonder if that's related..
06:20 In fact, just did a test and my email wasn't marked as spam but the extra whitespace/newlines happened..
06:21 ashimema I'll keep an eye on it.. it's strange. They don't get fully filtered out, just highlighted with a message at the top saying 'this might be spam'
06:21 Next time I spot it I'll get a screenshot
06:21 dcook Maybe I've marked mine as not spam and that's why I don't see it..
06:21 Please do :D
06:22 I think our email reputation isn't always the best, as we run a number of listservs from our domain as well
06:22 So high volume of emails come out of our mail server..
06:22 Wouldn't be surprised if that's why
06:24 * magnuse waves
06:26 dcook hola magnuse
06:30 magnuse g'day mate!
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09:49 cait1 hello #koha
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10:23 oleonard Hi #koha
11:13 * cait waves
11:33 tcohen[m] next meetings?
11:33 next meeting?
11:33 hola #koha o
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11:34 marcelr o/
11:35 oleonard https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]13_September_2023
11:35 marcelr ashimema: hope you guys can help me out with conflict of 27378/31503; 31503 is now stuck again
11:37 tcohen[m] what do you mean stuck?
11:37 no QA?
11:39 marcelr tcohen[m]: the development of 27378 bites 31503 and needs attention before i can get 31503 further
11:39 i cant build on a weird form which it is now
11:40 tcohen[m] Matthew Blenkinsop: can you look at marcelr's comment please
11:40 marcelr 31503 "failed" last year on using AV
11:40 which was arguable of course, we use AV for lots of things
11:40 tcohen[m] Matthew Blenkinsop: that'd be bug 27378's last comment
11:40 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Pushed to master , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent
11:40 marcelr so it becomes a frustrating experience
11:40 tcohen[m] let's un-frustrate marcelr
11:41 marcelr heh
11:59 hmm bug 33745 was never backported ?
11:59 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33745 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Pushed to master , Speed up Koha::Object attribute accessors
12:00 marcelr enhancement but with potential for backporting
12:01 oleonard let's turn marcelr's frustration in to fun-stration
12:01 ashimema sorry, was at lunch
12:01 reading back now
12:03 i didn't put two and two together
12:04 for the different consent stuff
12:04 marcelr ashimema: added a comment on bug 27378
12:05 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matt.blenkinsop, Pushed to master , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent
12:05 ashimema yeah
12:05 your comment makes a lot of sense
12:05 marcelr the opac user form is kind of weird now when you also enable gdpr
12:05 ashimema my brain just didn't put the two bugs into the same group in my head before today
12:05 marcelr and then i want to still add more stuff, aarg
12:05 ashimema these bugs are a bit annoying.. they've taken waaaay too long to get the attention they deserved
12:06 marcelr i have been running with a newsletter consent in production on 21.11
12:06 ashimema and as such it just annoys everyone when they do start to move.. often the original idea's behind them have been lost in the abys
12:06 marcelr even in 20.11 btw with some code swing in between
12:06 ashimema and code gets passed from one dev to the next.. it all gets rather confusing
12:07 I totally get your needs.. and think they're solid
12:07 marcelr it is a nightmare to get things in
12:07 only very small stuff touching two lines gets in
12:07 ashimema Koha's BIG
12:08 marcelr the patches that you dont need make the best chance
12:08 welcome in the koha frustration channel :)
12:09 cait do I want to read back?
12:10 marcelr yes, you qaed that patch lol
12:11 cait it was very old?
12:11 it's actually part of an initiative of mine to get old and bigger stuff moving...
12:11 marcelr yes cookie consent waited too long already
12:11 cait I am tring to be part of the solution, not the problem! :)
12:12 marcelr pushing one dev sometimes blocks other stuff again
12:12 cait but I also prefer the smaller stuff, because I only have capacity for a few of the big ones and only if I can fit them into daytime really
12:13 working thorugh someting big takes time and no interruptions, hard to find stuff
12:13 ashimema I think I need to schedule a proper slot to look at this consent type stuff
12:13 I really liked where it was heading when I looked at it almost a year ago
12:13 yeah.. this is one of those 'big' ones
12:13 marcelr looks like i will be rebasing it again next summer..
12:14 when going to 23.11
12:14 locally
12:14 ashimema I need to fight to have a community day a week again
12:15 right..
12:15 I'd stuck it in my diary.. I need to finish getting my support queue under control today
12:15 but I'm meeting free tomorrow.. surprisingly..
12:16 I've slotted in 5 hours!
12:16 10:00 - 15:00
12:17 marcelr thx
12:17 ashimema I'll have a proper deep dive for you marcelr..
12:17 hugs
12:25 cait :)
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12:44 oleonard Hi caroline
12:45 caroline hello!
12:55 * oleonard bbl
12:55 caroline Is there a meeting today?
12:58 cait hm maybe?
12:58 next meetings?
12:58 next irc meetings?
12:59 yes: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]13_September_2023
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12:59 cait in an hour
13:12 caroline Thanks cait! I remembered seeing it in my thunderbird calendar, but I don't see it anymore for some reason
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13:47 tcohen[m] we have jitsi meeting today
13:49 cait is the link online yet?
13:50 tcohen[m] I logged in to check
13:50 and I'll keep the session open
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14:05 ashimema just restarting so I can join the jitsi
14:05 audio issues.. as usual
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14:05 kidclamp https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Chairing_meetings
14:06 tcohen[m] #startmeeting Development Meeting 13 September 2023
14:06 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 13 14:06:43 2023 UTC.  The chair is tcohen[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:06 The meeting name has been set to 'development_meeting_13_september_2023'
14:06 tcohen[m] #topic Introductions
14:07 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions
14:07 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:07 tcohen[m] #info Tomas Cohen Arazi
14:07 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ
14:07 did I miss the jitsi link?
14:07 emlam #info Emily Lamancusa, Montgomery County Public Libraries, Maryland, USA
14:07 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, QC, Canada
14:07 tcohen[m] #link https://meet.jit.si/KohaDevelopmentMeeting
14:09 cait In now, but just got kicked out
14:10 tcohen[m] #topic Announcements
14:10 cait #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]13_September_2023 agenda
14:11 tcohen[m] #topic Update from the Release manager (23.11)
14:11 kidclamp any announcements on IRC?
14:11 oops, he's fast :-)
14:12 tcohen[m] #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:12 cait rmaints?
14:13 tcohen[m] #topic Updates from the QA Team
14:14 #info too many things in the queue, nasty bugs that need backporting
14:14 #info some big features moved the last weeks
14:15 cait #info Please do more QA! :)
14:15 tcohen[m] #topic Status of roadmap projects
14:15 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Roadmap_for_23.11
14:18 cait ashimema: status of the bookings :)
14:18 ?
14:18 kidclamp #info bookings has been  updated to latest fedback and the sandbox is ready for testing
14:19 ashimema Computer crashed.. still restarting
14:21 cait Talking about Bug 29523  - Add a way to prevent embedding objects that should not be allowed
14:21 It's in Discussion but needed to move items display to API
14:22 ashimema it's been needed for years
14:23 cait #info Bug 17427  - Replace CGI::Session with Data::Session  - needs input, maybe altenrative solution?
14:25 tcohen[m] #info please take a look at the roadmap items, help devs keep the pace
14:26 #work is being done to identify what screenshots need to be taken and how. identifying the hard ones and see if it is worth
14:28 #topic KohaCon23 thank you!
14:28 cait #info Po files for 22.11 manual are available now!
14:28 tcohen[m] #topic KohaCon24 update
14:28 cait #info Looking for a venue, exact dates and location to come
14:35 tcohen[m] #info There are plans to book two rooms, to have a technical track, if there's enough interest on it
14:37 #info Aiming for September
14:37 #topic Actions from last meeting
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14:40 lukeg hi
14:41 cait #info tcohen tested update to forgejo
14:46 #info DMARC need to get in touch with list admins to discuss changes to mailman configuration
14:52 #info Weblate needs more work, maybe wiating on new version to improve possibilities for better organizing our files/versions
14:54 #action tcohen to have a look at renaming master branch to main
14:55 tcohen[m] what happened?
14:55 ashimema meeting dissapeared for me but is back now
14:58 thd Syntax for date
14:58 cait i have he syntax
14:58 i need the time in utc
14:59 thd 12 UTc
14:59 cait #info Next meeting: 27 September 2023, 12 UTC
14:59 #endmeeting
14:59 i can't end
14:59 tcohen[m] thank you thd
14:59 #endmeeting
14:59 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 14:59:22 2023 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:59 Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-09-13-14.06.html
14:59 Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-09-13-14.06.txt
14:59 Log:            https://meetings.koha-communit[…]13-14.06.log.html
14:59 tcohen[m] thd++
14:59 cait++
14:59 koha++
14:59 davidnind++
14:59 caroline tcohen++
14:59 tcohen[m] oleonard++
14:59 caroline cait++
14:59 tcohen[m] caroline++
14:59 kidclamp++
14:59 khall++
14:59 ashimema++
15:00 cait tcohen++ all++ caroline++oleonard++ koha++ thd++ ashimema++ (i need an alias for this)
15:00 tcohen[m] emlam++
15:00 cait khall++ kidclamp++ emlam++ caroline++
15:00 lol
15:00 khall cait++
15:03 cait feels like a big hug :)
15:07 thd Did I miss the part of the meeting for any discussion about recording the meeting?
15:07 cait I don't think we record?
15:08 tcohen?
15:08 thd No, but the issue about whether to record or send to Youtube had been at the top of the agenda.
15:08 cait I missed it too then
15:09 I am ot a big fan of video records of meeting tbh
15:09 caroline no we didn't talk about that at all
15:09 cait and I am not sure if jitsi woudl work well for ur with even more people, it's a bit hard to manage, agenda, IRC and jitsi
15:09 caroline we only "recorded" the info and decisions in IRC with the logs
15:10 thd I waited so that I would not be the first in the meeting with agenda instructions to log in to some non-free system for sharing the meeting.
15:13 I also do not generally favour audio/visual meeting records.  However, our meeting logs are sparse now for those who cannot attend a particular meeting in person.
15:15 caroline I agree, it's not really possible to follow the meeting if you're not in it
15:16 we have to take great notes, like in-person meetings
15:22 reiveune bye
15:22 cait maybe it takes soem practice
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15:24 oleonard I've been looking at Bug 34781 and trying to understand the translation issue
15:24 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34781 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Add a span tag around GDPR text in opac-memberentry
15:24 oleonard The patched version is better but still far from ideal
15:24 tcohen[m] We should record them. Or use a tool that takes notes for us, like Zoom
15:24 oleonard And we don't really have a good way of handling a sentence with a link in it do we? Especially not a link which has a template variable in it.
15:26 cait we have some examples with system prferences in sentences
15:26 we figured out a way
15:26 just trying to remember where
15:28 here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29589
15:28 huginn 04Bug 29589: minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page
15:28 cait maybe not great, but better?
15:29 maybe using I18N we coudl improve on this some more
15:29 oleonard That works reasonably well because "MARCOverlayRules" doesn't have to be translated
15:30 cait you are right
15:30 what if we combined with tx( t(?
15:31 I am trying to remember one of the follow-ups on the bug we both worked on
15:33 caroline I was interrupted, but to finish my thoughts on the notes, I think you did a good job cait :)
15:34 cait team work - everyone wrote a bit
15:34 maybe it really just needs a bit more practice
15:35 caroline I was interrupted to be asked about a feature similar to bookings! I will try to go back in and test again this week
15:35 cait :)
15:35 time to prepare dinner here - bye all!
15:35 caroline the feature seems to answer the need of the organization +1
15:36 cait now we 'just' need to get it in? :)
15:36 cait left #koha
15:36 caroline ashimema, what is the plan for the OPAC side? I only tested the staff side
15:36 Is the OPAC side going to be another bug?
15:36 ashimema it's on another bug
15:37 I need to dig into it again.. I have a feeling it's broken in various rebases
15:38 caroline I think it might be broken, like you said... I could book for the same period, and the styling could be improved a bit
15:39 Is there a reason to have it on a gitlab branch rather than a patch? Just wondering bc it's different from the usual
15:40 I'm guessing it's because it would make too many patches?
15:42 oleonard caroline: Sometimes patches are too large to put in Bugzilla
15:42 caroline ah! makes sense
15:59 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Works except that the $PrivacyPolicyURL isn't interpolated" (5 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/26094
16:07 paulderscheid[m] Just a PSA: Making solid progress w/ the website migration (Koha-community.org). Will share a link w/ a Demo tomorrow.
16:09 oleonard paulderscheid[m]++
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17:27 tcohen[m] oh
17:27 I didn't know we were migrating that!
17:29 paulderscheid: around?
17:45 paulderscheid[m] Hi
17:45 Yeah
17:46 But already done for the day
17:54 tcohen[m] looking forward to see your site
18:43 thd davidnind: Wiki new account email confirmation messages are working in my testing but merely delayed by perhaps ten or twenty minutes in my test for email confirmation and perhaps one or two hours in my test for account creation after email confirmation.  Perhaps the system running the mail server used by the wiki becomes very busy at least some of the time.
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18:48 thd tcohen: See above for test indicating rather slow response on your mail system connected to the wiki.  Nothing broken, just much delayed to the point where people may think that it is broken.  I assume that the server for the mail system becomes very busy sometimes.
18:49 tcohen[m] that reminds me
18:49 someone offered a company's SMTP
18:49 yeah, our tests are always fine, on Google and other email systems
18:50 thd I was just checking following a report from a month ago where someone claimed to have no messages when attempting to create an account.
18:51 Dyrcona Anyone considered the possibility of teergrube? Some server sends a temporary failure: "come back in X minutes"?
18:53 thd It could have been my system in this case and the unfortunate user's system a month ago.  I did not do a test for time of receipt otherwise.  I was merely checking that the messages went through.
18:53 davidnind thd: bug 34637 - I think the solution was a "proper" SMTP server... still an issue I think
18:53 huginn 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34637 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Wiki - email notifications aren't being sent (account registrations, password resets, etc.)
18:56 thd Messages are definitely being sent.  My one test today showed very slow message receipt for me but all my other messages might have been slow.  However, I was not running anything special on my receiving mail server.
18:56 puphaus[m] My employer would be happy to provide an smtp relay :) I wrote tomas an email with the infos but i don't know if he already read it
18:58 thd We need more testing to see if it is not merely unlucky me at the time of this one test if tcohen reports good speed with Gmail, etc.
18:58 davidnind of the waiting accounts, only two have confirmed - will try resets for the accounts where an issue was raised (x2 for BibLibre staff) and see if they receive them
19:00 puphaus++
19:00 * thd will try testing again for speed in a couple of days or so with simultaneous test for spend when sending from some other systems.
19:02 davidnind tcohen's conclusion was that "..the server we are using is on some IP block that is added to a deny-list very often.." (see comment #4)
19:05 tcohen[m] we (Theke) set a dedicated Postfix SMTP server
19:05 for this purpose
19:19 thd davidnind: I think that tcohen is reporting that we subsequently worked around the earlier reported problem for the SMTP server and should have been good for a while now.  However, maintaining server reputation is tricky as any server can be falsely flagged as bad.  My own system should not be interfering much which could explain the issue at the moment if I was flooded today with bad messages and my system had to parse all of them before pars
19:19 ing a message from the Koha wiki.
19:20 s/we subsequently/tcohen and his system administrator subsequently/
19:22 davidnind thd: I've done password resets for two BibLibre staff who weren't receiving emails - have asked them to let me know if they receive them, for account ManuB could you check the email address (I have e DOT betemps AT gmail DOT com)
19:23 * thd was afraid to try password reset with things working so slowly ;)
19:24 davidnind I've only done 2, so I hope that doesn't overload things...
19:29 thd: I don't know if you can access the outgoing email logs - could you have a look at the open requests and see if emails were sent for them? (covers 17 August until now - 8 requests remaining)
19:29 tcohen[m] puphaus: I saw your email pass by
19:29 will go back to it
19:29 I'd be really happy not to have to deal with (also) this things
19:31 sorry for not promptly answering it
19:41 puphaus[m] No problem, we're happy to help and give the koha community something back :)
19:42 * help and are happy to give the
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20:23 aleisha hello all
20:23 we're having some issues with background jobs being stuck at Null/1 on a Koha 23.05x - any ideas?
20:24 tcohen[m] NULL/1 means the progress?
20:24 caroline oh I think we had that too... we had to change something in each of our /etc/systemd/system/
20:26 I can't say I understand what I was told to do, but I can forward you the information if you want (note that we have a very specific environment that doesn't seem to be koha standard, so it might not apply)
20:26 aleisha yes the progress, status is New
20:26 caroline: worth a try! can you please forward that to koha-developer@catalyst.net.nz ?
20:31 caroline aleisha, done! Let me/us know if it helped at all, maybe someone else will come looking for an answer
20:32 aleisha thank you for that!
20:37 caroline Now I have the problem that my bg jobs for imports show something like 12000/1000 however... Not sure if it's related, but in the hands of a dev
20:48 aleisha bizarre!
20:57 ive found more info that might help.... logs in worker-output.log
20:57 [2023/09/14 08:52:57] [WARN] No job found for id=2141 main:: /usr/share/koha/bin/workers​/background_jobs_worker.pl (133)
20:59 but that ID totally exists in the DB. wonder if it's a timing issue
21:08 cait puphaus++
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22:46 thd davidnind: The text of email generated by MediaWiki should be recorded somewhere in the database and could be found somewhere in a database dump but I do not have access to the SMTP logs and have not found appropriate logs in the Canasta MediaWiki Docker container.  There is an extension EmailLogger which we could try to install if we would need it.
22:48 davidnind thanks thd!
22:49 I'll see what happens with the people I did the password resets for.
23:59 #KohaCon23 #PerlKohaCon - The individual videos are available at https://www.youtube.com/playli[…]Jk9EtlnF2OVETvddm and slides at https://www.doria.fi/handle/10024/187615

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