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| 06:15 | PriyanshuSoni[m] | Good morning #koha-community:matrix.org , Each time i am clicking a tab (catalogue, admin, list etc), i have to login again and again. Is it a issue due to public hosting or something else? Whats the solution? |
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| 06:37 | magnuse_ | \o/ |
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| 06:59 | aw-bib[m] | Priyanshu Soni: sounds like you loose a cookie |
| 07:00 | PriyanshuSoni[m] | aw-bib[m]: Yes, as it is perfectly working in incognito mode for now as well as from my mobile devices. |
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| 07:28 | LibraryHU[m] | can anyone tell me please, how i can see error log in KOHA? |
| 07:28 | where i can get the log file? | |
| 07:49 | magnuse_ | LibraryHU[m]: if you have installed with the deban packages, logs will be in /var/log/koha/<instance>/ |
| 07:50 | magnuse | there are several different logs, for opac/intranet, apache/plack etc |
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| 13:23 | Skrivy | Hi, I am trying to build koha on clean Debian 10 system following this guide: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way. First thing I found is missing dependency on bash-completion. It should be added to the guide. |
| 13:25 | oleonard_ | Skrivy: Are you trying to install Koha? |
| 13:25 | Skrivy | oleonard_: Nope, build deb package. |
| 13:25 | oleonard | Okay, just wanted to make sure |
| 13:25 | paulderscheid[m] | I think the guide might be out of date |
| 13:26 | Correct me if I'm wrong | |
| 13:26 | If you see issues, please update the wiki | |
| 13:26 | Skrivy | Wiki requires registration. :( |
| 13:26 | paulderscheid[m] | You'll get approved in a couple minutes |
| 13:26 | Skrivy | I am now struggling with failing tests, which I am unable to debug. I execute: ~/Koha (22.11.x) # ./debian/build-git-snapshot -r ~/debian -v 22.11.x -d. I get: https://pastebin.com/WsFtjZhS |
| 13:27 | paulderscheid[m] | Seems that there's some mismatch happening |
| 13:28 | Skrivy | Looking closer around one of the failing tests I see: https://pastebin.com/GHpJryQb. What cought my eye is this: Cannot open /etc/koha/log4perl.conf (No such file or directory) at /usr/share/perl5/Log/Log4perl/Config/BaseConfigurator.pm line 51. |
| 13:29 | paulderscheid[m] | Did you checkout the correct branch in your git clone? |
| 13:29 | Skrivy | paulderscheid[m]: 22.11.x |
| 13:29 | paulderscheid[m] | mtj around? |
| 13:29 | @seen mtj | |
| 13:29 | huginn | paulderscheid[m]: mtj was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 13 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <mtj> tcohen[m]++ many thanks for organising the release ❤️ |
| 13:29 | paulderscheid[m] | damn |
| 13:30 | @seen joubu | |
| 13:30 | huginn | paulderscheid[m]: joubu was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 23 hours, 36 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <Joubu> sorry I cannot help more, I have no idea! |
| 13:30 | oleonard | You'd think mtg was at Kohacon too! :D |
| 13:30 | Skrivy | Is there any public pipeline available in your jenkins building deb packages? I could follow the steps there. |
| 13:30 | Maybe I am just missing some step. | |
| 13:30 | paulderscheid[m] | Ah, sorry. I don't even know which server this is on |
| 13:30 | mtj | hi paulderscheid[m], i am about..ish :) |
| 13:31 | paulderscheid[m] | Hi mtj, could you maybe give Skrivy some pointers? |
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| 13:34 | mtj | Skrivy: use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck to skip your failling tests |
| 13:34 | sudo DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nocheck ./debian/build-git-snapshot -r ~/debian -v 21.11.01git -d | |
| 13:35 | Skrivy | mtj: Thanks, I wanted to avoid doing this. :( |
| 13:35 | I believe tests are important. Once they are done, they should be used. | |
| 13:36 | tcohen[m] | Use koha-dpkg-docker |
| 13:39 | Skrivy | tcohen[m]: thanks. I didn't see this one. I'll give it a try. |
| 13:39 | tcohen[m] | If tests are failing, then a big should be filled on bugzilla |
| 13:40 | Chances are the failing test is relevant and gets fixed. But it might be some useless test we had on earlier versions, too. | |
| 13:40 | Useless or too fragile to serve it's purpose | |
| 13:41 | *a bug* | |
| 13:41 | Darn phones :-) | |
| 13:47 | rudy_ | @PriyanshuSoni[m] Re: KOHA Keeps showing me authentication screen on every other click: [Answer]: This might be caused by your router having Load Balancing enabled. Modern routers can use multiple bandwidth sources. Internally your static IP address is changing and KOHA thinks your are getting hacked. Two ways to fix this. 1. Disable load balancing on your router, or 2. Go to Koha->Administration->SessionRestrictionByIP (change setting to No). Problem solved. |
| 13:47 | huginn | rudy_: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 13:47 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 13:53 | rudy_ | @PriyanshuSoni[m] or change your routers MULTI-WAN model from load balancing to fail over instead. You could still see the login screen occasionally but not as frequent arguably. |
| 13:53 | huginn | rudy_: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 13:54 | oleonard | rudy_: huginn the bot is complaining because here you don't need the "@" to address someone |
| 13:54 | rudy_ | ah, thanks! |
| 13:55 | oleonard | I would have expected Koha to show a specific error when there is an IP mismatch |
| 13:56 | rudy_ | yeah, it doesn't. it just splashes the authentication screen again. |
| 13:56 | oleonard | It's *supposed* to ! |
| 13:56 | [% IF ( different_ip ) %]IP address change[% END %] | |
| 13:57 | rudy_ | I live out in the sticks and use MULTI-WAN. I'm on the precipice of good service and have a local free wifi as a secondary backup. ON a cloudy day, it goes up and down and picks one or the other. I had to figure this one out on my own. |
| 14:03 | I just upgraded my synology to 16gb memory. I'd be curious if the docker model of KOHA would work nicely in this frame. | |
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| 14:52 | PriyanshuSoni[m] | <rudy_> "@PriyanshuSoni[m] Re: KOHA Keeps..." <- 2nd option was working. Thanks rudy_. |
| 14:55 | * PriyanshuSoni[m] | uploaded an image: (25KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]apJBHPq/image.png > |
| 14:55 | PriyanshuSoni[m] | PriyanshuSoni[m]: I have installed plugin from inLibro for koha carousel (4.1.2), but it is not showing the option of scrolling and carousel. What's the issue? |
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| 15:16 | oleonard | PriyanshuSoni[m]: Nothing shows below the lists box? |
| 15:32 | The instructions say that the plugin uses the OpacMainUserBlock system preference which would imply that it doesn't work after 19.11.x. I wonder if that's up to date information. | |
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| 16:03 | Skrivy | So I tried to build koha in docker via: ~/Koha (22.11.x) # docker run --network=host --volume=/root/Koha:/koha --volume=/tmp/debs:/debs --privileged --env VERSION=22.11.x --env RELEASE=22.11 koha/koha-dpkg:master and the result is the same: https://pastebin.com/UjKB6cyN |
| 16:04 | Do you run automatic tests after commit on stable branches? I think you might have seen this. | |
| 16:05 | rudyh | Confirm that the item type you are using is OPAC visible, or the carousel will not display any items. Having said that, I've tried some older OPAC plug-ins that all broke as the versions of KOHA got upgraded. Try plugins that offer multiple type of carousel sources like the inlibro? it honors lists, reports, and item types. I think the reports module works, just make sure that if you use a report that it displays an ISBN number in the custom SQL section. |
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| 16:07 | Squidy | Hi.. Is there a way to set permissions to user category? |
| 16:08 | oleonard | Squidy: Unfortunately no |
| 16:14 | rudyh | how do you attach an image on here? |
| 16:16 | file:///home/rudy/Pictures/Screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202023-08-22%2011-13-43.png | |
| 16:16 | works for me. what version of koha are you on? | |
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| 16:34 | rudy_ | https://drive.lightwavelibrary[…]VuMmc-PbCA_dTwsAo |
| 16:34 | linked image to my inlibro configuration. | |
| 16:40 | aude_c[m] | Squidy Closest thing to that would be using the Batch permissions modifier plugin https://github.com/bywatersolu[…]missions-modifier |
| 17:22 | Squidy | aude_c[m]: Thanks |
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| 17:52 | Mimir909 | Testing |
| 17:53 | Ah, I'm still online | |
| 17:54 | I discovered a question folks here may know about - I put in my list of around 3000 ISBNs i cataloged (with any copies of the same material just repeated) into MarcEdit's z39 client - Had it look them up and downloaded the results. When I put them into Koha I noticed it was more around 5000 records. How could that be? | |
| 18:00 | rudyh | did you use console to import? bulkmarcimport.pl? |
| 18:00 | Mimir909 | I used 'Stage MARC for Import' on the staff interface |
| 18:02 | rudyh | 5000 biblios? or 5000 items? |
| 18:03 | Mimir909 | When I look at the staged files section it just says '5000 records' (give or take) |
| 18:03 | rudyh | i'm assuming pure marc, no items, no 952$p |
| 18:03 | Mimir909 | It's a marc binary generated from the search by Marcedit, so presumably it just has whatever it pulled in a default format |
| 18:05 | rudyh | i guess it depends on the staging settings. did you choose add new records on match or replace on isbn match? |
| 18:05 | Mimir909 | That might be a crucial part for me to fully understand - I am hoping to use this marc file to not have to manually catalog our library so I can start using the catalog to make orders and avoid the mess that I was hired to fix in the first place, haha |
| 18:06 | The other thing about it was, it won't actually let me import them into catalog, and i hear tale that it may be due to not having item IDs so it just sees them as biblios and not items. So with that I heard there may be a way to set the staging or import so that it just assigns them IDs. | |
| 18:08 | rudyh | There in the catalog, just in the reservoir until you decide to clean the batch. If you don't see them, you probably need to run a zebra rebuild of your indexes. |
| 18:09 | then you'll see how shot your xml records are. lol | |
| 18:09 | i recommend running marcedit's validator tool so you know what to expect. | |
| 18:10 | it's not a show stopper if you get a ton of errors, koha can still bring them in with errors, but you will want to clean those up, especially if you have no titles , 245$a's | |
| 18:11 | Mimir909 | The MarcValidator found no errors |
| 18:11 | rudyh | nice. |
| 18:11 | Mimir909 | i should hope not given i used MarcEdit to get around a lack of personal ability to format MARC myself, i needed it to spit out that format for me to even try any of this lol |
| 18:12 | rudyh | yeah, just run the zebra rebuild on the command line. should take a few minutes, then search for your titles again. |
| 18:12 | Mimir909 | I have also never interacted with Koha via command line outside of when I first installed it and got it running, which even then I did not feel I fully grasped what I was doing and just managed to get it to where I could run web installer and get to the interface with all the defaults |
| 18:14 | I am willing to learn, though bare in mind that most of what I do understand is through the web interface (I am also my job's best bet at using Koha at all, isn't that sad?) | |
| 18:16 | With what I do know about the terminal - Shall I throw 'sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instancename'? | |
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| 20:57 | Mimir909 | Does anyone know what might be missing that will allow Koha to actually add the records in my MARC file as items to my catalog? It either fails on the import or doesn't seem to realize they are unique books. |
| 21:28 | davidnind | Can you share a sample of the mrc record with an item (in paste.koha-cumminity.org) - your item records need to have appropriate 952 subfields I think, and the values used, for example for the home library, item type, etc., need to match up with the values you have configured in Koha. |
| 21:32 | that should be https://paste.koha-community.org/ | |
| 21:32 | rudyh | The default framework also has to be assigned, if you don't have a custom framework. There's a lot of factors to consider of course. Under Administration->Manage Jobs, do you see any staged records?, if not, the 5k records might be too much for web ui. I recommend the console bulkmarcimport.pl |
| 21:34 | also, click on About Koha->System Information and tell us if you see any warnings. | |
| 21:38 | davidnind | I've struggled to find an up-to-date tutorial (that is not a long video!) on getting your data from a spreadsheet > MARCEdit > Koha - if anyone knows of something reasonably current, please share! |
| 21:40 | rudyh | I do everything sql. my company specializes in data migrations. |
| 21:42 | though I do like the regex templates in koha. very powerful. | |
| 21:45 | Just be wary of data type conversions when using Excel/Libre office. Leading zeroes get lost in barcode translations if you try any column transformations etc etc | |
| 21:45 | Mimir909 | Oh, interesting - I'll try those. |
| 21:49 | pastebot | "Mimir909" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Information for support from my setup" (22 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/25092 |
| 21:49 | rudyh | Something I noticed on item edits in Koha. Super slow.. some data preloading going on with something on that page. I've disabled catalog logging to see if that makes a difference. Waiting for a client to give me feedback on that. But also if you click save. it says the organization code is missing. when I click on go to field, it shows the field is blank. but when I click on the edit field, the data populates with the correct hardcoded marc organization code that |
| 21:49 | is admin-settings. | |
| 21:49 | Mimir909 | https://paste.koha-community.org/25092 |
| 21:49 | Oh it already posted to chat for me. | |
| 21:49 | How cool! | |
| 21:50 | davidnind | Here is a recent video from a koha-US conference: CSV to MRC From spreadsheet to Koha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVeIFVkgP6o (has a link to the slides) |
| 21:51 | rudyh | the marc record looks fine. did you do the rebuildindex on your instance? if you did, and it didn't show, I suspect the ui is just choking on the volume of records. Hard to say from this vantage point. |
| 21:52 | Mimir909 | Ah, here's an interesting thing |
| 21:52 | So I manually logged like 2-3 books to test | |
| 21:52 | bag | I don’t see a 952 |
| 21:52 | Mimir909 | When I ran the rebuild thinger, it seemed to only do those ones, so I think there's just a disconnect somewhere |
| 21:52 | Or a configuration issue | |
| 21:53 | Is 952 where I would assign my internal item ID? I looked up documentation for this stuff but ho boy is it not a smooth read. | |
| 21:53 | davidnind | I was just about to say what bag said, I'm also not sure what the 989 tag is .... |
| 21:53 | rudyh | don't need a 952 to search reservoir records. |
| 21:53 | yeah it'll have errors when you go into edit marc. | |
| 21:53 | davidnind | but if you are trying to import item records, you need the 952 tags |
| 21:54 | bag | 952 is item information - 999xxx is going to be biblionumber and itemnumber |
| 21:54 | rudyh | he doesn't have any items in the 952p |
| 21:54 | pure marc | |
| 21:54 | Mimir909 | Okay, this is all helpful to my understanding |
| 21:54 | rudyh | yeah, your staging choked. |
| 21:55 | command line bulk for the win. | |
| 21:55 | Mimir909 | One thing I was confused about is that this MARC file was generated by doing z39 lookups on the MarcEdit client then downloading the report; so i put in 3000 ISBNs but got 5000 records out and that's concerning to me |
| 21:55 | rudyh | sounds about right. |
| 21:55 | it's not 1:1 | |
| 21:56 | Mimir909 | But for this thing you're finding, is there a way to assign item info in a batch? |
| 21:56 | My hope is to use the MARC file to more easily just tell my Koha 'we currently have this' | |
| 21:57 | rudyh | You'll have to create a 952$p record with barcode. Repeatable tag. |
| 21:57 | or be very familiar with sql inserts into the items table. Better know your schema by heart. | |
| 21:58 | I don't recommend this by the way for the novice. | |
| 21:58 | little disclaimer right hurrah | |
| 21:58 | lol | |
| 21:58 | Mimir909 | Elaborate on the first one? I have the capacity to understand this stuff , but it is my first rodeo |
| 21:59 | rudyh | well as others have stated your marc records, while gorgeous, they are missing the items information which is to say the 952 block. |
| 21:59 | cost, replacement cost, etc | |
| 22:00 | davidnind | My suggestion is to get a small sample of records working - so that you know it works (with the basic record information and item information (952 fields)), then do the bulk importing. Another way would to be manually catalog a record with some items, then export that to see what the marc records should look like. |
| 22:00 | Mimir909 | That will be really handy for our accountant some day, I have vowed to make my department not a money hole in my time here. |
| 22:01 | rudyh | Marcedit tools also has a file splitter. Split that file into 2 or 3 smaller files optionally. |
| 22:02 | Mimir909 | I am also passing my MARC through the tool that suggests call numbers, which apparently go under 952. Is this helpful? |
| 22:02 | wahanui | okay, Mimir909. |
| 22:05 | rudyh | Sorry Mimir909. Too many variables to guide you precisely down this rabbit hole you've gleefully embraced. ;) Call numbers are very important. But not the reason the import is failing. |
| 22:06 | Mimir909 | Well, I'm happy to try importing via the terminal, I should be learning that anyway |
| 22:06 | As I'm also new to Linux =D | |
| 22:07 | rudyh | I recommend spinning up a new KOHA instance and test test test. |
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| 22:09 | rudyh | I'd like to throw in while on the subject , that when the parameter -d delete all biblios and items option is used on bulkmarcimport.pl that the table biblio_metadata gets wiped as well. |
| 22:09 | since we are throwing the baby out with the bath water and all. | |
| 22:10 | davidnind | Some info that may or may not be helpful on the 952 fields https://koha-community.org/man[…]a-specific-fields (I like the table structure in older versions (https://koha-community.org/man[…]-cataloging-guide) |
| 22:15 | If you are willing to share your source data (CSV extract or MARCEdit files with the expanded data, I'd be happy to work with you on an up-to-date tutorial/workflow/step-by-step guide for the Koha Community - then others would have something to guide them in the future. But this wouldn't help immediately in solving your issues, plus I would have a lot to learn as well... | |
| 22:16 | rudyh | Mimir909, be sure to output UTF-8. Otherwise copyright and trademark alt symbols and foreign language accent symbols in tags won't get imported. |
| 22:19 | Mimir909 | I love contributing to better help files |
| 22:20 | All of this started because my workplace was using Librarika to manage their curriculum library. That seems to be abandoned by the developers, broke at some point, and I was just the one to discover it - On top of a lot of bad cataloging practices resulting in potentially years of botched information and an interface that doesn't do basic library stuff anymore | |
| 22:21 | And in an effort to address a lot of those problems quickly, I have been mostly trying to figure out the fastest way I can throw my ISBNs at Koha and have their information sorted/inventory recorded, because we don't really have manpower for manual cataloging of any kind | |
| 22:27 | rudyh | It sounds like you want to create a batch import file to load up ISBN's against a z39 server. As I mentioned previously, don't expect 1:1 hits. |
| 22:29 | and enable aggressive isbn matching in settings. I suspect that means trying variations of a legacy and later rendition of the ISBN. | |
| 22:31 | Mimir909 | That's what I was initially trying to do with MarcEdit, but was originally under the impression it could be done directly in Koha |
| 22:31 | all this messing about with MARC files only came from discovering, I think, that I can't really do anything in batches in Koha without first giving it MARC data to work with | |
| 22:40 | rudyh | Whatever yall come up with, let me know. I'll make pro training video and share it with yall. Like this one: https://share.synthesia.io/5d6[…]a2ab-a469404acac3 |
| 22:41 | Mimir909 | Honestly I am strongly considering taking what I learn here and turning it into education consulting services lol |
| 22:48 | bag | go for it - every open source project can always use more content and training information |
| 22:50 | @op eythian jajm matts magnuse mtj davidnind | |
| 22:50 | huginn | bag: Error: You don't have the #koha,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 22:50 | bag | ha |
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