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| 06:45 | alex_ | Bonjour |
| 06:45 | wahanui | niihau, alex_ |
| 06:45 | cait | davidnind++ :) |
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| 07:36 | magnuse | Joubu: drowning? |
| 07:36 | * magnuse | hands ashtart__ the superglue |
| 07:38 | aw-bib[m] | hello :) |
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| 07:39 | aw-bib[m] | may I ask, is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]data_fields_(9xx) current or are those subfield definitions outdated? just wondering as I filled in quite a few and according to the table 952$y * Koha item type but it seems this one shold go to |c. at least the record editor is complaining about a missing item type. |
| 07:40 | (our flavour is marc21) | |
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| 07:49 | Joubu | yes almost drowned already! |
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| 08:10 | magnuse | aw-bib[m]: that page should be current |
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| 08:12 | aw-bib[m] | ok. is there a difference between 952 passed in by some marcXML and 952 in the record editor I should be aware of? if I open such a record in the editor it tells me that a mandatory field is not set, but I do pass it on in |y as given. maybe I missunderstand the value of |y in said table. I assume BK for book in default settings, right? |
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| 08:15 | magnuse | BK looks like a good candidate for 952y, yes |
| 08:16 | aw-bib[m] | ok, then I'll put this complaint of the record editor on my mystery to solve list ;) thank you! |
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| 09:01 | cait | aw-bib[m]: 942$c is the itemtype on record level - it's mandatory by default - maybe that's what you mean? |
| 09:01 | the items inherit as a suggestion on the item form when you manually add them, you can also use it to search by itemtype for records without items and it's used in some circulation contexts (article requests, hold calculations) | |
| 09:02 | so what you saw is not linked to the items, just the itemtype on a different level | |
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| 09:18 | Joubu | cait: messy signoff on 33973 |
| 09:19 | cait | ah sorry, probably missed it's 2 patches |
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| 09:20 | cait | Ican try to fix tonight, but probably not ealrier |
| 09:20 | Joubu | Did I miss the roadmap link somewhere? |
| 09:21 | cait | i think the wiki page was not created yet, tcohen? |
| 09:21 | that is something I could make a draft for if youwant | |
| 09:21 | we could maybe do a table? topics, interested parties, progress? | |
| 09:23 | ashimema | +1 |
| 09:26 | aw-bib[m] | silly me, you're right the two tags were to close to each other and my miss-conception was that the record type is derived from the leader and 008 where I have similar information. thanks again! :) |
| 09:40 | cait | you are welcome - and not wrong either, the material type/format and other things are derived from LDR, 007, 008 |
| 09:42 | item type is more a circulation type if you take a closer look, the translation Medientyp is a bit unfortunate in that regard | |
| 09:43 | but it was hard to change, I tried at one point :) itemtype can be linked to material types (because you circulate your serials differently than your books), but it could also be something like "short term loan" | |
| 09:43 | or "reference" (Präsenz) | |
| 09:44 | sometimes it's a mix too | |
| 09:47 | tcohen: ok with me makign a draft for roadmap? | |
| 09:52 | aw-bib[m] | @cait thanks for all the input :) you just pointed me at another long ignored field (007) that I have to derive. as mentioned some days ago as our invenio is pretty ignorant of controlfields we had to model most of this slightly differently. so I am not too familar with all those things (yet ;) |
| 09:52 | huginn | aw-bib[m]: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 09:52 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 09:53 | cait | the buts react on the @ :) |
| 09:54 | hm you used to get a link to a new page when making a serach... but no longer. any new trick? | |
| 09:54 | (wiki) | |
| 09:56 | the link is gone, even if the result list is empty | |
| 09:58 | found a trick... | |
| 10:08 | tcohen: ashimema: draf is here https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Roadmap_for_23.11 | |
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| 10:19 | ashimema | nice one |
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| 10:36 | cait | the buts earlier shoudl have read "the bots"... |
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| 11:32 | marcelr | o/ |
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| 11:52 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Hello! I have a problem when trying to install Koha. On this step (Create a Koha instance) i get this message: |
| 11:53 | Koha requires mpm_itk to be enabled within Apache in order to run. | |
| 11:53 | Typically this can be enabled with: | |
| 11:53 | sudo a2dismod mpm_event ; sudo a2enmod mpm_itk | |
| 11:53 | my mpm_event module is enabled | |
| 11:54 | Can someone help me please | |
| 11:55 | aw-bib[m] | if i get the message right it does not want mpm_event but mpm_itk from the typically this can be enabled with I read an explicit disable for your module and an explicit enable for the other one. (though I am no apache expert.) |
| 11:55 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | ok |
| 11:56 | aw-bib[m] | iow (if you use sudo) you can just copy the line to switch them. |
| 11:57 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | when i run sudo a2enmod mpm_itk this message is shown |
| 11:57 | ERROR: Module mpm_itk does not exist! | |
| 11:58 | tcohen | hola cait |
| 11:58 | hola #koha o/ | |
| 11:58 | cait++ | |
| 11:58 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | i try to install sudo apt-get install -y apache2-mpm-itk but this message is shown: Package apache2-mpm-itk is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 11:58 | tcohen | NikolayGospodinov[m]: what Koha version, following which instructions on which OS? |
| 11:59 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | I am using Debian 12, https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian |
| 11:59 | tcohen | hmmm |
| 11:59 | aw-bib[m] | mpm_itk should be available in bookworm. |
| 12:00 | but it's libapache2-mpm-itk | |
| 12:00 | https://packages.debian.org/bo[…]ibapache2-mpm-itk | |
| 12:00 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | I use this guide |
| 12:00 | aw-bib[m] | you might want to give apt install libapache2-mpm-itk a try. |
| 12:00 | tcohen | Debian 12 should be fine, but it has just been released and I'm not sure we 100% tested on it |
| 12:01 | aw-bib[m] | * you might want to give apt install libapache2-mpm-itk a try. |
| 12:01 | tcohen | what Koha version again? |
| 12:01 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | the last stable version |
| 12:01 | wahanui | it has been said that the last stable version is 18.11 |
| 12:01 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | i am using the guide |
| 12:02 | tcohen | NikolayGospodinov[m]: I recomment you pick 22.11 and wait until july to upgrade |
| 12:03 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | you think the problem is with the version? |
| 12:03 | cait | forget latest stable version |
| 12:03 | wahanui | cait: I forgot latest stable version |
| 12:03 | cait | 23.05 is just 2 weeks old |
| 12:03 | tcohen | if you are starting to try it, it's ok |
| 12:04 | Joubu | "stable" is misleading in this case :D |
| 12:04 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | what about the error with the mpm-itk. Is it connected to the koha version |
| 12:04 | Joubu | I don't think so |
| 12:04 | tcohen | Joubu: it is stable, only a couple rough edges |
| 12:06 | :-P | |
| 12:07 | cait | how new is Debian12? |
| 12:07 | aw-bib[m] | still warm ;) |
| 12:07 | Joubu | NikolayGospodinov[m]: did you try to install libapache2-mpm-itk? |
| 12:08 | aw-bib[m] | * warm ;) June 10th, 2023 |
| 12:09 | cait | sounds "hot" :) |
| 12:09 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Yes. Again shows this: Module mpm_itk does not exist! |
| 12:10 | aw-bib[m] | mind the name: libapache2-mpm-itk |
| 12:10 | Joubu | libapache2-mpm-itk vs apache2-mpm-itk? |
| 12:11 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | i run this command: apt-get install libapache2-mpm-itk |
| 12:11 | aw-bib[m] | and then you also enabled it, right? |
| 12:12 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Then i run this command: sudo a2enmod mpm_itk |
| 12:12 | and it shows: Module mpm_itk does not exist! | |
| 12:15 | aw-bib[m] | apt need root rights, (sudo or whatever) and it did install the pacakge? (dpkg --get-selections | grep itk eg. should show it.) |
| 12:16 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | when i run dpkg --get-selections | grep itk it shows: libapache2-mpm-itkinstall |
| 12:16 | aw-bib[m] | so this looks promising, the package is there. |
| 12:16 | a2enmod mpm_itk in my case will then enable it. | |
| 12:17 | (or tell me that it is already enabled.) | |
| 12:17 | again needs root rigths (sudo or the like) | |
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| 12:18 | Joubu | "unable to resolve" |
| 12:18 | is the error | |
| 12:18 | aw-bib[m] | yepp. |
| 12:18 | maybe https://linuxhandbook.com/sudo[…]ble-resolve-host/ is worth a read on this. | |
| 12:21 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | i added library as host |
| 12:21 | Still | |
| 12:21 | * NikolayGospodinov[m] | uploaded an image: (10KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]oXnIxzc/image.png > |
| 12:22 | * Joubu | running a debian:12 docker image |
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| 12:26 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 12:27 | Joubu | I reached koha-create succesfully |
| 12:27 | NikolayGospodinov[m]: did you restart apache2? | |
| 12:28 | ls /etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_* | |
| 12:34 | NikolayGospodinov[m]: still around? | |
| 12:34 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | is your mpm_event enabled? |
| 12:35 | Joubu | it should not, given the error you have |
| 12:35 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | i restart it |
| 12:35 | but mine is | |
| 12:35 | Joubu | apache2ctl -M|grep event |
| 12:35 | returns nothing | |
| 12:36 | `apache2ctl -M|grep mpm` returns | |
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| 12:36 | Joubu | mpm_itk_module (shared) |
| 12:36 | mpm_prefork_module (shared) | |
| 12:36 | dismod mpm_event | |
| 12:36 | a2dismod mpm_event && a2enmod mpm_itk | |
| 12:38 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | this is what happend |
| 12:38 | * NikolayGospodinov[m] | uploaded an image: (204KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]hseqEXH/image.png > |
| 12:39 | Joubu | what does contain the apache logs? |
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| 12:47 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | [Wed Jun 14 08:37:15.074905 2023] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 177019:tid 140662187952000] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down |
| 12:49 | I do not have this path /etc/apache2/mods-available/mpm_* | |
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| 13:02 | oleonard-away | Joubu: I saw your comment on Bug 33983 but I'm confused because usually I find that [% PROCESS 'i18n.inc' %] has to be in the actual template or there is an error |
| 13:02 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33983 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move translatable strings out of OPAC's datatables.inc into JavaScript |
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| 13:05 | oleonard | Joubu: I found when working on the title i18n bugs that it doesn't work to put the PROCESS in doc-head-close.inc |
| 13:21 | Joubu | possible, there was one already, html_helpers so I thought it would work! |
| 13:25 | NikolayGospodinov[m]: I am sorry I have no idea what's going on | |
| 13:25 | there should be a meaningful error somewhere | |
| 13:27 | ho there is one: "no mpm loaded" | |
| 13:34 | cait, tcohen: I am editing the roadmap wiki page to replace the table with section | |
| 13:34 | cait | why? |
| 13:34 | it's just going to be messy again | |
| 13:35 | and API is an abbreviation | |
| 13:35 | I was just gonig to fill it with some data too | |
| 13:36 | are you not using the visual editor? | |
| 13:38 | we could at least compare both before deciding | |
| 13:38 | Joubu | I think the table is messy |
| 13:39 | cait | API is still capitals. |
| 13:40 | sorry, I just spent some time on it this morning I didn't really have. Woudl have liked to at least see it tried out | |
| 13:40 | Joubu | ok |
| 13:41 | I am not the one who did that atually | |
| 13:41 | I was editing it as well but didn't save | |
| 13:41 | I just wanted to put my stuffs somewhere I will wait a bit more | |
| 13:42 | cait | I don't feel like we do well with long text pages |
| 13:43 | Joubu | the tool is not the problem IMO :D |
| 13:43 | so whatever you decide is fine for me | |
| 13:44 | cait | you are right |
| 13:44 | maybe we can do a template for the sections ? | |
| 13:44 | like they should all have a title, description, person list and some status? | |
| 13:49 | sorry for being grouchy - just dealing with a lot of complaints and borken stuff the last hour | |
| 14:03 | Joubu | https://snipboard.io/Wk2jUx.jpg - this is what I had |
| 14:07 | cait | looks good - maybenot sure about the bug link in the heading - |
| 14:11 | hm conflict resolving in mediawiki is confusing | |
| 14:11 | i just lost the new attempt :( | |
| 14:21 | oleonard | How did I mess up my permissions in such a way that I can't use recalls with superlibrarian privileges? |
| 14:21 | It works correctly with the sample data... | |
| 14:22 | cait | Joubu: second suggestion more in line with yours, what do you think? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Roadmap_for_23.11 |
| 14:22 | Joubu | oleonard: if the permission is not in the DB |
| 14:23 | oleonard | I must have missed a db update somewhere. |
| 14:23 | Joubu | cait: it's missing a header I think |
| 14:23 | cait | I used h2 and h3 |
| 14:24 | but the sectiosn don't really separate well | |
| 14:24 | Joubu | "Update Font Awesome - Bug 32910" is a sub entry of "UI" |
| 14:24 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Upgrade fontawesome icons to V6 |
| 14:24 | cait | ah ok, i was just trying to do a sample one |
| 14:24 | Joubu | API and Refactoring at tghe same level of UI |
| 14:24 | cait | ok, that's an easys fix |
| 14:27 | Joubu | what are the major issues with the task queue? |
| 14:28 | cait | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ap_for_23.11pease check again |
| 14:28 | Joubu | looks good |
| 14:29 | no collaborative plugin for the wiki? | |
| 14:29 | collaborative editor* | |
| 14:37 | cait | i don't know what you are talking about :) |
| 14:37 | is that to edit at the same timeß | |
| 14:38 | Joubu | yes to avoid the lock and loosing edits you know :D |
| 14:42 | cait | it would be nice... |
| 14:42 | not sure if Mediawiki can do that at all | |
| 14:44 | Joubu | https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki[…]ime_collaboration |
| 14:44 | "The code is currently experimental and unstable. " | |
| 14:44 | but well... then... why the wiki? | |
| 14:45 | I am kidding, I said I didn't care! | |
| 14:52 | oleonard | Can you not place a recall on behalf of a patron via the staff interface? |
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| 14:58 | caroline | oleonard, I don't think so |
| 14:58 | I think it's in the plans to add it, but so far it's only through the opac | |
| 14:59 | oleonard | What an odd omission |
| 15:00 | caroline | Maybe they just wanted to get it into Koha, and then work on it further... Recalls are one of those who lingered for many years |
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| 15:02 | cait1 | oleonard: there is a bug for that i'd love to get in |
| 15:02 | it makes it much more useful | |
| 15:02 | bug 31391 | |
| 15:02 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31391 enhancement, P3, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Staff-side recalls |
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