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| 06:45 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:45 | wahanui | kia ora, reiveune |
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| 07:06 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Hello Koha community! I am writing to you with a request for help .I'm having trouble searching with ISBN as a keyword. When using version 16 when searching by ISBN as keyword, the format of the ISBN (978-0-7475-5099-0 or 9780747550990) did not matter. It was returning the same result. Now we are using Koha version 21 and when when searching by ISBN as keyword, the system returns a result only if the ISBN is written with hyphens |
| 07:06 | (978-0-7475-5099-0).Can anyone tell me what the reason is? In addition: when searching by ISBN as ISBN index then no problem. | |
| 07:10 | cait1 | if you search in the ISBN index, there is a system preference that will expand the search to all various forms, 10 and 13 characters ISBN with and without hyphens |
| 07:10 | so that behavior is correct | |
| 07:11 | for the change between versions - is it possible that you had changed indexing on your old version and how it treats the -? | |
| 07:12 | Zebra can treat "-" either as space or as "nothing" - it's not something that changed in Koha specifically I think | |
| 07:14 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | As far as I understand, to solve this case, We need to look at the indexing, and the problem is not in any system setting. Is it correct? |
| 07:26 | cait1 | I'd say so |
| 07:26 | if you look at your sytem preferences and search for isbn - there shoudl be a pref for the isbn option, but from what you said that should already be enabled | |
| 07:27 | and it doesn't affect the normal keyword search | |
| 07:27 | NikolayGospodinov[m] | Yes it is enabled |
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| 08:29 | cait1 | I think then your issue is treatment of - |
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| 08:44 | ashimema | marcelr around? |
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| 10:46 | oleonard | o/ |
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| 11:10 | cait1 | hi oleonard :) |
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| 11:40 | magnuse | where are we with regards to patrons that can't be deleted? can't seem to find it in bugzilla |
| 11:42 | ah bug 26170 | |
| 11:42 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26170 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Create "system" patrons that cannot be (easily) deleted via the web UI |
| 12:01 | tcohen | hola #koha o/ |
| 12:03 | mtj | |
| 12:04 | mtj | hie #koha, tcohen |
| 12:06 | tcohen | num lock was disabled |
| 12:06 | mtj++ | |
| 12:06 | :-D | |
| 12:06 | thanks | |
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| 12:12 | mtj | no problemo 🐸 |
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| 12:14 | cait1 | hola tcohen, hi mtj |
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| 12:37 | aw-bib[m] | hello! i am currently about to migrate records from our old system and get a bit confused with the multipart works. we currently have a parent entry that is connected to its children, but how do i have to model in in koha? the wiki mentiones 490/8xx to treat them like a series but also 773/774. what is the way to go here? |
| 12:38 | cait1 | aw-bib[m]: it's MARC, it's complicated |
| 12:38 | aw-bib[m] | (our current approach is a bit homebrewn due to some limitations in our current system.) |
| 12:38 | cait1 | you can do it the super corect way, or you can cheat a little |
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| 12:38 | cait1 | let me see if I still have a diagram heh |
| 12:38 | aw-bib[m] | sounds promising! |
| 12:38 | cait1 | the easy bits are analytics (Artikel, unselbstständige Werke) |
| 12:39 | that's 773 in the analytical record linking to the host | |
| 12:39 | for linking you can use 773$w --> 001 of host if you turn on UseControlNumber | |
| 12:40 | I would recommend it if you can, because it gives you 'perfect' links that will work nicely, if you don't use $w Koha has a fallback for title/author search, but that can be less exact | |
| 12:40 | aw-bib[m] | ok, this sounds like what we did for journal articles linking to their journal. |
| 12:40 | cait1 | yes, exactly |
| 12:40 | aw-bib[m] | what is this `UseControlNumber`? just a koha config setting? |
| 12:40 | cait1 | a systen preference |
| 12:40 | aw-bib[m] | ack |
| 12:40 | cait1 | it just says: use the $w if it exists for building the links in the detail views and result lists |
| 12:41 | still looking for my documentation mom | |
| 12:41 | aw-bib[m] | 773 would be similar to what we have right now. `773 08 |0 < isad fsdaf |
| 12:42 | sorry. 773 would be what we have right now `773 08 |0 <parent> |q numbering`. | |
| 12:43 | cait1 | https://www.dnb.de/SharedDocs/[…]blicationFile&v=4 |
| 12:44 | I think the difference between using 773 and 490/8xx for linking was if the volumes have their own titles or not | |
| 12:45 | always fun with MARC | |
| 12:46 | aw-bib[m] | i understood something along those lines. but the wiki is a bit confusing there, eg. for the leader 19 "most probably c" while i guess most likely i have citable titles so `b` comes to mind. (Nolting Theoretische Physik Bd. 1 Mechanik etc.) |
| 12:47 | mtj | hi cait1, aw-bib[m], magnuse 🧁 |
| 12:47 | cait1 | c is for the host |
| 12:47 | IIRC set | |
| 12:47 | magnuse | hiya mtj |
| 12:48 | cait1 | and then the volumes are either dependent or not (a or b) |
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| 12:50 | aw-bib[m] | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Sets_with_Volumes then goes through all the 490/880 to give practical requirements resorting to 773/774 placing the link in _both_ records. |
| 12:56 | from your docs i understand that i should place 773 in the child, so this sounds indeed pretty much in line with our current system. | |
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| 13:11 | aw-bib[m] | do I need to place the `774` in the parent item? (your dnb-document sais "no", the koha sample adds it) |
| 13:19 | tcohen | is dayton already on IRC? |
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| 13:27 | aw-bib[m] | do i get this right: setting `UseControlNumber` not only affects `773` but also the other linking fields `775, 780, 785` that we have? (this would be great as we have quite a few links we added over the years eg. from an english to a german edition and vice versa.) |
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| 13:53 | ashimema | pass tcohen |
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| 13:59 | cait1 | aw-bib[m]: sorry, phone calls - no you don't need the 774, Koha does currently not use it/show it |
| 14:00 | and they could potentially blow up your record if you think about a serial with a few 100 articles linked to it | |
| 14:00 | and yes, it affects all implemented 7xx | |
| 14:00 | tcohen: I haven't seen him around yet | |
| 14:02 | aw-bib[m] | thanks for all those pointers. this sounds like a way to go for us. (indeed, i didn't want to add 774 for various reasons, including those you pointed out.) |
| 14:36 | tcohen | oleonard: around? |
| 14:36 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:38 | tcohen | is the branch ready |
| 14:39 | oleonard | Oh, let me double-check |
| 14:40 | tcohen | it applies |
| 14:41 | oleonard | In that case it's ready -- I'm not aware of any new issues with it |
| 14:41 | tcohen | awesome |
| 14:51 | Joubu++ | |
| 14:51 | oleonard++ | |
| 14:51 | koha++ | |
| 14:52 | cait1 | FA update |
| 14:52 | ? | |
| 14:52 | tcohen | :-D |
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| 15:11 | mishmash | Just wanted to see if anyone else has come across this before I log a bug. We've upgraded 22.11 (and tested on 23.05) and notice a big change in Patron Searching. Create a patron called "Billy O Neill" where borrowers.firstname is Billy and borrowers.surname is "O Neill". From mainpage.pl, using the topbar, search for "O Neill". Get hit (results page member.pl). Next client on "Patrons" from the top bar to go to members-home.pl and perform the same search. |
| 15:12 | Clear left filter and search again - "O Neiill". 0 hits | |
| 15:13 | Does anyone else see this type of problem? | |
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| 17:18 | ashimema | @later tell gmcharlt do you happen to have any stats on how much the tars get downloaded? I'm wondering if a link to fit would be enough at this point instead of hosting those for each release |
| 17:18 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 18:48 | tcohen | @later tell mtj I'm pondering the deletion of the Docker_3 noce |
| 18:48 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:48 | tcohen | node |
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| 21:15 | davidnind | I've manually added the agenda for the next Development Meeting, including updating the calendar - feel free to update as required (I sifted through the logs for actions/agenda items) https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_21_June_2023 |
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