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01:48 | thomas63[m] | hi there again |
01:48 | does anyone have an idea, why I land on a webpage “Welcome to the Koha 23.05 web installer” after I did an Ubuntu and Koha upgrade? It looks like Koha runs, but I am locked inside this web installer page and cannot see any of my data? Any hint is appreciated, thanks | |
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07:00 | reiveune | hello |
07:00 | wahanui | bidet, reiveune |
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07:09 | cait | hello #koha |
07:35 | aw-bib[m] | hello :) |
07:36 | may I ask: how picky is koha about the Marc leader and the 008? (our current system is completely ignorant of those fields and does not set them, so for migration I'd have to invent them somehow or, well, continue to ignore them.) | |
07:51 | cait | setting the publication date in 008 is good |
07:52 | because koha will use that normalized date for the date range search | |
07:52 | you also need to have a LDR for tihngs right with the position for encoding set correctly | |
07:52 | otherwise you will see problems with diacritics | |
07:53 | LDR pos. 9 = a | |
07:53 | I'd also try to set LDR pos. 7 if you can | |
07:54 | it's one of hte fields used to show material type icons | |
07:54 | and LDR pos. 6 | |
07:54 | also both can be useful for search | |
07:54 | but the encoding one is pretty mandatory and easy (always a) | |
07:55 | and 008 pos. 7-10 for the publication date I mentioned | |
07:55 | aw-bib[m]: ^ | |
07:56 | aw-bib[m] | ok, thanks for all these pointers :) then I'll dive into that. I think we have all data that is required in our records, I'll "just" have to collect them and translate. (e.g. type of record is a `336 7_` in our case.) |
07:56 | ldr 7 will open a bit of a box where I think I'll have to resort of further help as I am not yet clear how multivolume works are handled in koha compared to what we have. we had to be a bit creative there using a model similar to gvk. | |
08:08 | and as I stumble upon it: 001 (record id) is not some sort of primary key in koha? (IOW should I drop it or keep it?) | |
08:11 | paxed | it's used (for example) when searching for component parts of a record, but it doesn't have to be the same as biblionumber (koha database biblio key) |
08:12 | cait | you can put your current ID in 001 if you like |
08:12 | you can set up Koha to put the biblionumber there later if you like | |
08:12 | paxed | and 001 alone isn't necessarily unique anyway; only 001+003 must be unique |
08:12 | cait | hm, maybe if you migrate there use a prefix, just to make sure |
08:12 | paxed | (at least according to marc format) |
08:13 | cait | later = for new records, is what I meant |
08:13 | and what paxed said, it's used for component records or any type of linking between bibliographic records, like the multi volumes you mentioned | |
08:14 | aw-bib[m] | ok. so from @paxed I understand that linking will be done by 001 (noted for my translation) and I should ensure 001+003 to be unique, which is how I understood it. and from @cait I understand that I can keep it with 003 set properly. (in invenio 001 is the primary key, autogenerated etc., that's why we never used it for linking.) |
08:14 | cait | Koha doesn't do 001 + 003 perfectly everywhere yet, that's why I said maybe use a prefix for your old ones to make sure they don't interfere if you want to use the biblionumber there later for your new records |
08:15 | so your 001 are also unique without the 003 within your koha installation | |
08:15 | that will put you on the save side | |
08:16 | aw-bib[m] | it would be but I's easy enough to derive a proper 003 (we did not have this field in the past) |
08:16 | Joubu | kidclamp: can you have a look at 33950 please? I have no idea how to test it! |
08:16 | aw-bib[m] | (to spice up my job a bit I have 4 libraries to migrate ;) |
08:16 | paxed | either your library/consortium has a proper code to put in 003, or you can just make it up - assuming you're not exporting records to other systems |
08:17 | cait | bug 33950 |
08:17 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33950 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Unnecessary processing in opac-readingrec if BakerTaylor or Syndetics off |
08:18 | cait | aw-bib[m]: the code you use there can match with the MARCOrgCode set in administration > libraries - Koha will use that later for 003 |
08:18 | there is also a global preference setting, if you want all libraries to use the same 003 | |
08:19 | aw-bib[m] | usually we use the sigel (DE-H253 etc.) |
08:19 | cait | yes, that's correct |
08:19 | ISIL :) | |
08:19 | German ISIL are derived from the Sigels - starting with DE- - that's your correct MARCOrgCode | |
08:20 | MARC standard wise that's perfect | |
08:20 | aw-bib[m] | I just used the wrong word, indeed. ISIL was what I referred to. |
08:22 | cait | yes, got it |
08:23 | aw-bib[m] | we did try not to break it and stick to it as much as we can. so without too much effort I already see records in koha. now I try to make the behave nicely. the old system used a very liberal view of marc. (basically they considered it to be a funny thing that names fields by 3 digits then two mainly useless things nobody understands followed by some funny letters for a thing called subfield. iow in our project it learned quite a bit of |
08:23 | marc proper ;) | |
08:24 | cait | Koha tries to stick to MARC proper |
08:25 | not perfectly either probably, but sounds like it's more standard'ish than your previous system :) | |
08:27 | aw-bib[m] | as I say we added quite a bit of restrictions to stick as close as we can to marc. so even the quick and dirty import moving 852/867 -> 952 gave me a pretty nice record with holdings. but of course I'd not see the nitty gritty details you mentioned in just one record. |
08:27 | cait | if you can get the items out nicely that's already great |
08:29 | aw-bib[m] | yes, it looks pretty promising, indeed. also the bibliographic part was done pretty well. |
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08:48 | eythian | https://aeon.co/essays/the-197[…]allenge-of-search |
09:53 | Joubu | kidclamp: another one for you maybe? bug 33951 |
09:53 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33951 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, In Discussion , normalized_oclc not defined in opac-readingrecord.tt |
09:53 | Joubu | or oleonard? |
09:53 | wahanui | it has been said that oleonard is seeing some buggy stuff though |
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10:15 | cait | Joubu: https://snipboard.io/MRlWT6.jpg |
10:15 | I have added the patron categories to your patch and some red text | |
10:15 | like/dislike? :) | |
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10:17 | * cait | waves at khall |
10:17 | Joubu | cait: I like it |
10:17 | sorry, I've edited the bug title | |
10:17 | * khall | waves at cait |
10:17 | Joubu | hi khall! |
10:17 | wahanui | it has been said that hi khall is my consciousness present in this realm? |
10:17 | cait | Joubu: I'll have a look - follow-up incoming :) |
10:17 | khall | hi Joubu ! |
10:18 | Joubu | khall: I am about to fix bug 8483 with bug 33948! |
10:18 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8483 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Borrower reading history should include deleted items |
10:18 | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , Replace GetAllIssues with Koha::Checkouts - staff | |
10:18 | cait | wahanui: that#s kinda deep |
10:18 | wahanui | cait: i'm not following you... |
10:18 | khall | excellent! |
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10:34 | cait | I was hoping to get help from the wiki for a mailing list mail... what I got: |
10:34 | Is your zebra running? | |
10:34 | You better go catch it then. | |
10:34 | Funny, but not helpful! | |
10:34 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]our_zebra_running.3F | |
10:39 | Can someone help with this one? https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-June/059568.html | |
10:40 | Joubu | cait: re bug 33581 I think we have a "hint" class for that |
10:40 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33581 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Error in Webinstaller concerning sample holidays and patrons requiring sample libraries |
10:41 | cait | Joubu: I think hint is grey |
10:41 | but we might have a more a required too | |
10:44 | Joubu | red is agressive, and we already have the "disabled" prop |
10:44 | but it's fine if you are happy with it! :) | |
10:44 | I don't mind | |
10:47 | cait | I pondered a tooltip on the checkboxes - but that felt hidden (and I didn't figure out how) |
10:47 | I'll try to switch to hint in a few minutes | |
10:56 | hm checkouts table is not showing for me on master | |
10:56 | GET | |
10:56 | http://localhost:8081/cgi-bin/[…]borrowernumber=51 | |
10:56 | [HTTP/1.1 401 Unauthorized 67ms] | |
10:56 | why does the API hate me? | |
10:57 | Joubu: do you have an idea? | |
10:59 | hm, it started working again now. *puzzled* | |
11:03 | Joubu | morning work: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=33947 |
11:03 | bug 33947 | |
11:03 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33947 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Move GetAllIssues to Koha |
11:20 | kidclamp | joubu: done, see 33957 - you can test without a syndetics account |
11:21 | we should probably also standardize getting the xml to get a record, or just geting biblio->metadata->record | |
11:30 | tcohen | hola #koha o/ |
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11:39 | cait | anyone an idea about Re: [Koha] Background job / Staging MARC import stuck at 0% ? We ave also seen this. kidclamp suggested bug 32990, but that is in the latest 22.11.06 which they claim to have tested with. We saw it in 22.11.05 |
11:39 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32990 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to stable , Possible deadlock in C4::ImportBatch::_update_batch_record_counts |
11:47 | tcohen | any vscode user, please review my instructions for perltidy here |
11:47 | https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Perltidy | |
11:47 | as greed yesterday | |
11:48 | ashimema | * Dashboard updated for 23.05 builds 🙂 |
11:48 | tcohen | ashimema++ |
11:48 | do we have 23.05 builds already? | |
11:48 | ashimema | yup |
11:48 | mtj set them up 🙂 | |
11:48 | tcohen | yay! |
11:48 | mtj++ | |
11:49 | ashimema | I believe |
11:49 | I checked before doing the corresponding dashboard change 🙂 | |
11:49 | I'm a bit confused.. our maintanence branch policies these days are a mess.. | |
11:49 | tcohen | they are there |
11:49 | ashimema | I don't really understand why we're supporting 21.11 still |
11:50 | it's not an LTS is it... | |
11:50 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ning#LTS_Releases | |
11:50 | we're just spreading FUD and confusion by going to add-hoc | |
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11:54 | cait | we support 4 versions is what we decided on |
11:55 | we are in the second line of this table now | |
11:55 | ashimema | 21.11 is a 'normal release' though right |
11:55 | cait | we also had a model up for voting that had 3 versions - but people wanted this one |
11:56 | ashimema | yet it's getting 24 months support instead of 18 |
11:56 | cait | hm, maybe a mistake in my documentation? |
11:56 | ashimema | 21.05 also had 24 months |
11:56 | tcohen | you're asking why 21.11 is marked as supported |
11:56 | ashimema | yeah |
11:56 | well.. | |
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11:56 | tcohen | because Catalyst volunteered |
11:56 | heh | |
11:56 | ashimema | it IS supported as Cataylst decided to support it |
11:56 | cait | but it is also in the table that we voted |
11:57 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
11:57 | ashimema | but I think it's really confusing for people to try and understand our process if we just adhoc support whatever the heck we want to |
11:58 | tcohen | we shuold use some coloring |
11:58 | cait | ah i guess because we are just building up with the old versions |
11:58 | tcohen | so we could have a different color to mark exceptional cases like this |
11:58 | cait | if you look at 23.05 that will have 18 months |
11:58 | Joubu | tcohen: bug 33951 applies correctly after bug 33950 you haved just pushed |
11:58 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33951 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Passed QA , normalized_oclc not defined in opac-readingrecord.tt |
11:58 | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33950 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Unnecessary processing in opac-readingrec if BakerTaylor and Syndetics off | |
11:59 | cait | tcohen: i tihnk the cases will run out |
11:59 | with the next cycle | |
11:59 | * ashimema | thinks by the time we actually hit the LTS part of 22.11 no-one will want to be running it |
12:00 | cait | I don't see that, I thikn we will |
12:00 | the idea was to give people time to switch, we discussed it all at length | |
12:00 | ashimema | OK.. perhaps I should re-phrase that |
12:00 | I don't think anyone will be here to rmaint it 😜 | |
12:00 | cait | trying out that model takes time and patience, we'll see how it works out in the end |
12:01 | ashimema | yup.. fair enough |
12:01 | tcohen | Joubu: how so? |
12:01 | Joubu | kidclamp: thanks! |
12:01 | tcohen | Joubu: retrying :-P |
12:01 | ah | |
12:01 | it didn't have the dependency | |
12:01 | cheater | |
12:06 | cait | khall_: still around? |
12:06 | khall_ | yep! |
12:06 | cait | i have trouble with the patches for the dealy |
12:06 | i had it the first time too but then it ifnally started to work and now i have it again | |
12:06 | patches applied, restart all, fresh private window in firefox | |
12:07 | checkouts table doesn't want to load | |
12:07 | Uncaught SyntaxError: expected expression, got ';' circulation.pl:2021:40 | |
12:07 | Uncaught ReferenceError: script is not defined | |
12:07 | <anonymous> http://localhost:8081/intranet[…]23.0600003.js:257 | |
12:07 | jQuery 13 | |
12:07 | e | |
12:07 | t | |
12:07 | setTimeout handler*Deferred/then/l/< | |
12:07 | c | |
12:07 | fireWith | |
12:07 | fire | |
12:07 | c | |
12:07 | fireWith | |
12:07 | ready | |
12:07 | B | |
12:07 | EventListener.handleEvent* | |
12:07 | <anonymous> | |
12:07 | <anonymous> | |
12:07 | checkouts_23.0600003.js:257:10 | |
12:07 | ups | |
12:10 | oh i know | |
12:10 | i had the old preference in my database. | |
12:14 | khall_: it's ok, I figured it out. | |
12:14 | khall_ | that's great! was it browser caching or something? |
12:14 | ah, prefs, gotcha | |
12:14 | cait | no... missed running the database update |
12:14 | yeah | |
12:14 | tcohen | wait |
12:15 | cait | hm? |
12:15 | tcohen | if you didn't run the DB update |
12:15 | it means it explodes if the syspref is null? | |
12:15 | cait | it explodes if the pref doesn't exist |
12:15 | but you are right, I will check with empty too | |
12:15 | tcohen | set it to NULL |
12:16 | cait | yeah, you are right |
12:16 | i thought I had tested this already the first time around, but it breaks | |
12:16 | and we start it off with empty | |
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12:17 | cait | const LoadCheckoutsTableDelay = [% Koha.Preference('LoadCheckoutsTableDelay') | html %]; < this breaks with "" or NULL |
12:17 | ||
12:18 | Joubu | use Koha missing? |
12:18 | [% USE Koha %] | |
12:18 | cait | no it just invalid JS |
12:18 | = ; is not valid | |
12:19 | so if you empty out the pref the checkout stable doens't load, it's added with 9 | |
12:19 | with 0 | |
12:19 | Joubu | use [% Koha.Preference("pref") || 0 | html %] |
12:20 | cait | khall_: I can try that |
12:21 | works | |
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12:21 | khall_ | I just caught another issue, the spinner shows on moremember.pl, I'll add a followup for that too |
12:22 | cait | just uploadig mine |
12:22 | can you grab that? | |
12:26 | khall_ | can do! |
12:28 | Joubu | kidclamp: about oclc and xml - I am actually removing all that in the follow-up bugs ;) |
12:29 | ashimema: bug 33946 - I think you are correct, we should sync the JS part as well | |
12:29 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33946 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , biblio-title.inc should not add a link if biblio does not exist |
12:29 | ashimema | in the end I wasn't 100% sure |
12:29 | it confused me | |
12:29 | if biblio doesn't exist we just return an empty string early | |
12:30 | in the tt version I'm not sure how we get further if biblio is also empty | |
12:30 | * ashimema | needs lunch.. re-reading above didn't make much sense to me so good luck interpreting it ;P |
12:33 | cait | khall_: ready? |
12:34 | Joubu | ashimema: the context is bug 33948, where we display old checkouts that have the biblio deleted |
12:34 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33948 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Replace GetAllIssues with Koha::Checkouts - staff |
12:34 | Joubu | ashimema: enjoy your lunch! |
12:41 | cait | Joubu: we are missing hte css file with the hint class definition in the installer |
12:42 | Joubu | yes... we should remove this specific css file for installer IMO |
12:43 | cait | it does have some specific styles... different project |
12:43 | should I add the hint? | |
12:44 | Joubu | yes |
12:44 | I think so | |
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12:48 | cait | i https://snipboard.io/atCuR7.jpg |
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12:50 | cait | y |
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12:52 | cait | kidclamp: bug 33959 relating to your other syndetics discussion today? |
12:52 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33959 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem displaying Syndetics cover images in staff searching |
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13:08 | kidclamp | will look |
13:15 | Joubu | ashimema, tcohen: can you approve https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]merge_requests/53 ? |
13:22 | how do we deal with yesterday's dev meeting? | |
13:22 | missing topics, new meeting page, etc | |
13:27 | cait | i think maybe missing because it might have been added manually? |
13:27 | or is it a problem with the script? | |
13:28 | Joubu | tcohen: did you run the script? |
13:29 | cait | I believe davidnind scheduled it |
13:29 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]23&action=history | |
13:30 | Joubu | cait: Geany part for Perltidy on the wiki is wrong, you shouldn't pass --noprofile |
13:31 | sorry, just had a look at the history and you have not edited this page recently! | |
13:32 | cait | Joubu: nope :) was waiting for the other updates to see how it needs to be run :) |
13:33 | the page is wrong overall still | |
13:33 | The offical perltidy style for perl code in Koha is the perltidy 'default' or 'larry-wall' style. There was a customised perltidy style in Koha for a while, but it was never official or enforced and later removed. | |
13:33 | we need to fix the intro | |
13:34 | should I just delete it for now? | |
13:37 | Joubu | yes |
13:42 | caroline | I have an authority question. Is it normal that Koha only replaces the subfields from the authority in the biblio record and leaves the rest as is? |
13:42 | I think it's normal, but I have a client complaining about this behaviour so I'm not sure | |
13:46 | khall_ | Joubu I dm'ed tcohen about the db update fix |
13:47 | Joubu | thx! |
13:48 | cait | Joubu: updated the page: https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Perltidy |
13:48 | caroline: i think yo might be able to define that | |
13:48 | but if you think of $e relator stuff, you don't want that to be overwritten probably | |
13:49 | caroline | That's the example i'm thinking of. But the example the client gave me was for the date in $d |
13:49 | cait | caroline: AuthorityMergeMode maybe? |
13:49 | caroline | I found AuthorityMergeMode, but even in strict mode, the $d stays in the biblio even if the authority does not have it |
13:50 | cait | hm maybe that's only for auto-merge |
13:51 | caroline | marie-luce found bug 20711, seems it isn't the first time we get this question (it's probably from the same client) |
13:51 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20711 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Previous fields are not cleared when selecting an authority in cataloguing |
13:52 | cait | and AuthorityControlledIndicators is only for indicators |
13:52 | caroline | marcel concludes "we cannot...", does that mean it's impossible? |
13:52 | cait | dunno |
13:55 | Joubu | easy PQA on bug 33888 |
13:55 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33888 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Overdue fines not displayed branchoverdues.pl error 500 |
13:55 | cait | I'll take it |
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14:23 | Joubu | oleonard: what's the status of the offline circ? |
14:23 | should we deprecate it? or rewrite it? | |
14:23 | (I guess rewrite is better but...:D) | |
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14:33 | cait | not sure if it's worth the trouble - if we could get wider browser support that would be nice, but we always used the plugin |
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15:01 | reiveune | bye |
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15:02 | Joubu | bug 2608 # can we consider 15 years later that the networks are fast enough to submit a koc file without reaching a timeout? |
15:02 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2608 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, offline circ processing of large KOC files can time out |
15:02 | Joubu | ie. remove the background process from there |
15:32 | cait | I have no idea :) I guess they are not super big usually? |
15:40 | Joubu | bug 33962 and bug 33963 |
15:40 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33962 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::BackgroundJob from process_koc |
15:40 | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33963 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::BackgroundJob | |
15:40 | Joubu | \o/ |
15:41 | cait | :) |
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15:50 | Joubu | bug 33961 |
15:50 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33961 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Offline circulation tool no longer working and should be removed |
15:50 | * Joubu | in destructive mode |
15:56 | cait | lol |
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16:35 | ashimema | Haha |
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