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02:33 win can i ask
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02:34 win sir can i ask
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06:34 reiveune hello
06:41 ashimema cait
06:47 @later tell cait look at bug 26403 again please
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09:46 Joubu caroline: if you have new interns, maybe you can tell them to have a look at https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-howto/
09:46 @later tell caroline if you have new interns, maybe you can tell them to have a look at https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-howto/
09:46 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
09:47 Joubu caroline: I've tested and it works. Let me know if you have any questions!
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10:09 jim_ hi
10:10 I want to know how to change font size of barcode text generated using Koha plugin for spine label
10:14 oleonard jim_: What is "Koha plugin for spine label" ?
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10:20 jim_ given by bywaer
10:20 bywater
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10:23 scorpaust[m] Hey there! I've got a question regarding Koha, specifically version 18. I'm cataloging a serial publication that has multiple copies. Within each copy, I'm cataloging several analytical entries. However, on the publication's page (librarian view), I can't seem to see the analytical entries. I can only see the copies (magazine number 1, 2, 3...). Is it possible to configure the platform to display all the analytical entries of the
10:23 publication there as well? I would also like to know why Koha, by default, when I catalog an analytical entry and reopen it, it adopts the default template instead of the analytical template. When I select the analytical template again, I lose all the information recorded for that particular analytical entry. Why do you think this happens? Thanks for support and have a nice day!
10:29 oleonard jim_: I can't get the plugin to work in my test system, but it looks like you could modify the HTML in the label template
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10:34 cait scorpaust[m]: 18 is very old if you mean 18.05 or 18.11, you should consider updating as you won't get any security fixes etc
10:34 do you use the "add child record" feature for adding analyticals?
10:36 if so, there is a feature in newer versions that might do waht you want:  ShowComponentRecords
10:39 jim_ I tried modiffying html but i am not getting desired result
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10:57 jim_ any one can help to get spine labels
10:58 with barcode on it
11:12 scorpaust[m] <cait> "if so, there is a feature in..." <- Thanks! Yes, i think that updating can handle it. Also, for cataloging analytics it doesn't let me repeat code 606... i went to Koha administration, changed it to repetitive and that didn't solve it neather...
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11:20 jim_ I think In Koha 22 there is an update for analytics
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11:45 tcohen hola #koha o/
11:45 @seen marcelr
11:45 huginn tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 41 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <marcelr> htg
11:48 oleonard Hi tcohen
12:14 kidclamp marcelr++
12:17 tcohen dcook: around?
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12:18 jpl__ Hi!
12:18 Is anyone here familiar with how the process of sending out notices works?
12:18 I created a template for the Item check-out email and activated it in the messaging preferences for a patron.
12:19 The message gets sent out correctly if only one item is checked out, however if a patron checks out multiple items at once, they get one message for each checkout, each of which also contain the complete text from the previous messages
12:19 The parameters are substituted correctly, but it looks like Koha doesn't clear some buffer between messages and instead just appends the new text.
12:19 The subject (which also contains a parameter) is okay
12:20 te
12:21 This the template I'm using and the emails that get sent out: https://pastebin.com/MKZ7TM9n
12:38 Joubu jpl__: you need the '---' that exists in the original CHECKIN template
12:48 jpl__ Okay, now it seems to work. Didn't know that Koha creates a digest message since there is no way to select digests in the messaging settings.
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12:50 Joubu tcohen: dbic generates 2 changes for me
12:51 ItemGroup.pm and Recall.pm
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12:55 cait hello
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12:56 marcelr o/
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13:07 tcohen Joubu: thanks for letting me know
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13:44 emlam morning all!
13:48 caroline good morning emlam
13:49 emlam anyone know how to resolve a git bz SSL verification error in Linux? (Ubuntu Jammy to be precise, if it matters)
13:49 the wiki has instructions for updating the certificate on Mac, but not linux
13:52 tcohen Meeting in 8 minutes
13:59 ashimema hola
14:02 tcohen I cannot access the previous meetings logs
14:02 from which I copy and paste heh
14:03 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 10 May 2023
14:03 huginn Meeting started Wed May 10 14:03:30 2023 UTC.  The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:03 The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_10_may_2023'
14:03 tcohen #topic Introductions
14:03 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe.
14:04 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
14:04 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi
14:04 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_10_May_2023
14:04 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
14:05 tcohen we'll wait a couple more minutes
14:06 qa_team
14:06 oleonard
14:06 ashimema rmaints
14:06 * rmaints?
14:06 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
14:06 tcohen :-D
14:06 o/
14:06 oleonard Thanks for the buzz
14:06 marcelr #info marcelr
14:06 tcohen nugged: around?
14:07 khall_ #info Kyle Hall, ByWater Solutions
14:07 kidclamp #info Nick Clemens, BYWater Solutions
14:07 lauraesca[m] #info Laura Escamilla, ByWater Solutions
14:09 tcohen ok, moving on
14:10 #topic Announcements
14:11 Anyone has an announcement to make?
14:11 oleonard o/
14:12 tcohen go on oleonard
14:12 oleonard I noticed that we got what I think is our first bug report from cuyahogalibrary.org
14:12 tcohen cuyahoga++
14:13 oleonard They are large library in Ohio that is migrating to Koha with ByWater's support. I wanted to ask everyone to keep an eye on bug reports. It would be helpful to Koha in Ohio if we treated them with care.
14:13 That is all :)
14:14 kidclamp oleonard++
14:14 tcohen #info A really large library from Ohio, Cuyahoga, has filed their first bug report. It is important to help them succeed :-D
14:15 #topic Update from the Release Manager (23.05)
14:15 #info Lots of things pushed in the last few days. More to come
14:16 #info Today is freeze, after things get pushed, we should all focus on stabilizing, and translations
14:16 #info Jenkins has been green for a while, thanks everyone (only a minor error from the RM got it yellow)
14:16 questions?
14:18 moving on then :-D
14:18 ashimema Awesome work tcohen
14:18 Joubu what's the scheduling method you use for pushing PQA stuffs?
14:18 ashimema sooo many good things
14:18 Joubu are you going to push all PQA for 23.05?
14:19 tcohen Unfortunately, I haven't managed to go through all the things in the queue, particularly big ones. I'll do my best, but I don't think everything will go to master
14:19 And risky ones won't get pushed at this point
14:20 Joubu also, I am not sure how I can be useful to prepare 23.05, anything specific we should focus on? testing? release notes?
14:20 marcelr focus on the bugs ?
14:20 tcohen you've been and are useful everyday Joubu.
14:20 Joubu there are not many new bugs
14:20 tcohen I'm very happy with the team
14:21 I'll let everyone know what's needed
14:21 Testing for sure, and release notes edition too
14:22 We have some notes from Bernardo about the translation process server-side
14:22 it would be helpful if we could put it all together
14:22 and avoid any delays
14:22 ashimema hugs
14:22 tcohen (he already generated a preliminary 23.05 project)
14:23 ashimema excellent
14:23 tcohen and we've got a command I shared with you, ashimema, for updating
14:23 so we are good on our own if needed
14:24 what we are missing is the manual project for newer versions
14:24 ashimema yes.. I've got it copied and am finding a decent place to publish the info
14:24 🙂
14:24 tcohen ^^ that's something we could use some help with, Joubu
14:24 Joubu ok, just let me know!
14:24 tcohen +1
14:24 Joubu++
14:25 #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
14:25 ashimema, aleisha, liliputech, tuxayo
14:25 Lucas is not available today
14:26 ashimema #info We're catching up after a long freeze for the last release whilst we sorted translation issues
14:26 Joubu 22.11 RMaints - please run cypress tests before releasing
14:26 manually
14:26 ashimema still not running on Jenkins?
14:26 tcohen oh, about that. I haven't had the chance to backport the ktd changes...
14:26 Joubu no
14:26 ashimema I thought they were now ! ☹️
14:27 tcohen that's 22.11 only, right?
14:27 Joubu https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]cker/-/issues/375
14:27 yes 22.11 only
14:28 tcohen #info 22.11 KTD is not 100% prepared to run Cypress automatically, and thus tests are not being run on jenkins
14:28 #link https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]cker/-/issues/375
14:30 I cannot focus on that right now, but happy to help someone doing it
14:30 moving on now
14:30 #topic Updates from the QA Team
14:30 cait is not around today
14:30 Joubu: anything to comment?
14:31 Joubu A bit related, and still ktd connected, I submitted this merge request: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]cker/-/issues/378
14:31 ashimema I've not been pulling my weight this month... too much going on
14:31 Joubu to embed koha-howto into ktd
14:31 ashimema but the queues do appear to have kept moving, so thanks goes out to the team for taking it on
14:31 Joubu to make it more visible, and working out of the box
14:31 tcohen Joubu: that's really nice
14:32 ashimema nice
14:32 Joubu InLibro has new interns, and it would be good to have ready for them
14:32 everybody new to Koha should start with that actually
14:32 marcelr how to koha-howto
14:33 * ashimema looks
14:33 Joubu and I am pretty sure some of you even don't know about it...
14:33 marcelr i didnt know about it, but just new
14:33 Joubu that's ...
14:33 that's 6y old :D
14:33 marcelr recent dev
14:33 ashimema I knew about it, but haven't actually ever worked through it.
14:34 Joubu 2017-05-09 exactly 6y old ;)
14:34 oleonard Happy birthday to koha-howto :D
14:35 tcohen #info happy bday to koha-howto! we have a PR to actually merge it into KTD
14:35 moving on
14:36 #topic Status of roadmap projects
14:36 We covered this on last meeting. Nothing new
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14:36 tcohen #topic KohaCon23 update
14:36 nugged: ?
14:37 * nugged popped up
14:37 tcohen #info Deadline for cfp is May 14th
14:37 oh
14:37 hi nugged
14:37 the stage is yours
14:38 nugged perlkohacon.fi running, we preparing traveling wikis and hints and announce next week to open registration
14:38 tcohen use #info
14:38 #info perlkohacon.fi running, we preparing traveling wikis and hints and announce next week to open registration
14:38 nugged #info Andrii Nugged, National Library of Finland, Helsinki, FI
14:38 yah, ok,
14:39 oleonard nugged: Will there be a hotel with rooms set aside for conference-goers?
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14:40 nugged hotels and another things for travelers: that what we want to check with hotels and include in registration forms and/or post-registration communication,
14:40 it's I think should be explained till end of May the latest so people will plan after.
14:41 tcohen #info Organizers will be checking with local hotels to put all the information together by the end of May
14:41 nugged regarding CFP: we still need more Perl content, I will try to grasp with Perl Community how to extract more Perl talks & Lighning talks
14:42 tcohen: yeah, I don't want to pollute info with ALL the paragraphs, so thanks for summarizing but yeah,
14:42 so:
14:43 #info overal: PerlKohaCon2023 is preparing, 15 of May CFP will be summarized, we will estimate the schedule, and send next week (20) invitation to REGISTER for Attendees through all channels
14:44 #info: as well as said next week we will start fill "traveller wiki" on perlkohacon.fi and arrange accomodation ideas and tell the expected draft announce of events
14:45 tcohen nugged: please consider atendees traveling with family
14:45 :-D
14:45 Ok, moving on?
14:45 nugged exactly. That will be in registration form so we should know how many people will come
14:46 tcohen #topic Actions from last meeting
14:46 Only missing the TODO from the hackfest, any news on that ashimema? Postpone?
14:46 nugged also some communication on "what's going on" should happen next week also - so I think we will do "posts + mailinglists" with summary.
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14:48 tcohen next topic is Vote on roles for 23.11
14:48 should we postpone? we have too many unfilled positions
14:49 thd That is when you draft people, especially those not in attendance ;)
14:49 nugged tcohen: btw, just this weekend we succeeded and built Koha pre-23.05 successfully (it's actually lastnight's master now), it's working now on our beta-testing environment so tomorrow on big meeting with my librarians/customers I planned to announce them to join beta testing – so we're prepared despite of overload to do 23.05 pre-release piloting for community.
14:50 sorry mixing topics
14:50 tcohen nugged++
14:50 * nugged silent
14:50 marcelr we could just agree with current roles and extend later?
14:51 tcohen Joubu, ashimema, kidclamp, cait?
14:51 we need opinions
14:51 I'd agree with marcelr
14:51 thd We might generally have had a longer period between announcing roles being prepared and first voting in the past.
14:51 ashimema srry.. just running into another meeting
14:51 Joubu we are in a meeting, and the vote was planned, we should vote
14:52 next meeting might be postponed, and postponed,.. ;)
14:52 tcohen #topic Vote on roles for 23.11
14:52 #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_23.11
14:52 oleonard That's fine with me, and put out a call for a 22.05 maintainer on the mailing list perhaps?
14:53 tcohen volunteer for sending that email?
14:53 oleonard I can do that
14:53 ashimema lol
14:53 Joubu last minute change I've added me under RM assistant, in case we need urgent push when tcohen is sleeping ;)
14:53 ashimema I totally haven't been on the ball
14:54 tcohen awesome Joubu
14:54 ashimema happy to go with as is and ptfs-e can fill a gap or two
14:54 I've basically forgotten to chase my end to get people signed up
14:55 tcohen #startvote Do you agree with the proposed roles for 23.11? yes, no, abstain
14:55 huginn Begin voting on: Do you agree with the proposed roles for 23.11? Valid vote options are yes, no, abstain.
14:55 Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:55 Joubu PedroAmorim[m] should be Vue/ERM expert
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14:55 Joubu #vote yes
14:55 cait #vote yes
14:55 oleonard #vote yes
14:55 tcohen #vote yes
14:55 marcelr #vote yes
14:55 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
14:55 sorry for being late
14:55 marcelr just in time
14:55 tcohen heh
14:55 ashimema we are happy to step in to one of the rmaint roles again I think
14:55 though might negotiate 22.11 with lucas
14:55 #vote yes
14:56 nugged #vote yes
14:56 thd #vote yes
14:56 nugged > to chase my end to get people signed up
14:56 > we could just agree with current roles and extend later?
14:56 ... let's cover current roles (and vote/confirm) and do one extra session if we will get some candidates extra, right?
14:57 marcelr thats the plan nugged
14:57 nugged marcelr: 🙏
14:57 khall_ #yes
14:57 tcohen khall_: that didn't work heh
14:58 marcelr syntax error
14:58 khall_ #vote yes
14:58 :)
14:58 tcohen :-D
14:58 lauraesca[m] #vote yes
14:58 tcohen so we all agree on lauraesca[m] being the packaging manager
14:58 :-P
14:58 cait tcohen: be nice
14:59 marcelr lauraesca[m]++
14:59 cait or we'll make you rM for lifetime
14:59 tcohen cait: you need to at least abstain
15:00 lauraesca[m] tcohen: Does anyone take on the role of social media managers anymore?
15:00 tcohen lauraesca[m]: we have several unfilled positions
15:00 kidclamp #vote yes
15:01 Joubu should be davidnind
15:01 tcohen we will chase people after this meeting
15:01 yeah
15:01 lukeg #vote yes
15:01 lauraesca[m] tcohen: I'd be interested in learning how I can help with that if help is needed.
15:01 tcohen mtj: wake up and sign for packaging manager
15:01 lauraesca[m]: sure!
15:01 ashimema deffo
15:01 it would be great to have some new blood 🙂
15:01 cait I'd love if we could find another Acessibility advocate
15:01 it would be really good for the project
15:02 tcohen +1
15:02 * ashimema is now juggling three meetings so replies may be out of order and not make sense ;P
15:02 ashimema agreed
15:02 tcohen vote closing in 1 minute
15:02 ashimema accessability advocate would be awesome
15:02 I'll ask Jonathan F if he might be up for access
15:02 tcohen ashimema++
15:02 ptfs++
15:03 #endvote
15:03 huginn Voted on "Do you agree with the proposed roles for 23.11?" Results are
15:03 yes (12): Joubu, cait, lukeg, khall_, oleonard, ashimema, lauraesca[m], marcelr, kidclamp, tcohen, nugged, thd
15:03 tcohen koha++
15:04 Joubu thd: what's the plan for the meeting?
15:04 thd: what's the plan for the wiki?
15:04 tcohen we need to plan the minor upgrade
15:05 marcelr sorry, htg
15:05 thd My testing shows that the minor upgrade as run on testing is fine.
15:05 tcohen marcelr++
15:05 thd: awesome
15:05 should we schedule a call to talk about further steps for the wiki?
15:05 cait tcohen: thd: we have an urgent problem to fix too
15:06 we are getting registrations bypassing moderation
15:06 thd Yes.
15:06 cait and they create spam
15:06 and it look slike it needs someone to do things to config files (so I am out) ;)
15:06 tcohen #chair cait
15:06 huginn Current chairs: cait tcohen
15:06 cait argh.
15:06 tcohen #chair Joubu
15:06 huginn Current chairs: Joubu cait tcohen
15:06 tcohen #chair thd
15:06 huginn Current chairs: Joubu cait tcohen thd
15:06 thd Sorry that I lost attention for some doctors visits.
15:07 tcohen I need to feed the kids right before taking them to school
15:07 cait thd: I tihnk davidnind posted on bugzilla and we had some interactoin on the mailing list about it - but was not sure if you did see it yet
15:07 tcohen will read later, thanks everyone
15:07 Joubu it's 1h long anyway, we should stop it
15:07 and postpone the other topics
15:07 tcohen ok
15:07 thd I had what may be a minor health concern which has kept me busy with doctors.
15:08 Joubu I also need to go, but want to highlight
15:08 tcohen #info The rest of the topics are postponed for the next meeting
15:09 Joubu: can you send an email to the qa team
15:09 thanks
15:09 release team I mean
15:10 #endmeeting
15:10 huginn Meeting ended Wed May 10 15:10:06 2023 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:10 Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-05-10-14.03.html
15:10 Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-05-10-14.03.txt
15:10 Log:            https://meetings.koha-communit[…]10-14.03.log.html
15:10 thd We did not set a date and time for the next meeting.
15:11 cait true
15:11 Joubu: how to fix it?
15:11 Joubu ...
15:11 manually
15:12 still no candidate for the IRC meeting facilitator role?
15:15 thd We recently had the perfect solution to wiki spam with registration messages broken when the mailserver config changed outside the wiki.  We could not see the problem at that time.
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15:37 cait thd: it look slike we have 2 registration forms right now, one goes through directly and needs to be turned off
15:38 thd Yes, I see that.
15:38 cait ok :)
15:38 thd Apparently, there is a bug in how the ConfirmAccount extension works in the current version with a configuration workaround.
15:39 reiveune bye
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16:14 thd cait, I made the configuration change which should fix accounts being created without moderation but have not tested yet.
16:15 cait thd thx!
16:15 i can do a bit of a test now
16:15 thd Do you not have permission to block or delete spammer accounts?
16:16 cait i did not look into it
16:16 i can try
16:17 i get a permission error going to the direct registration form now - and theother still seems to work
16:18 thd I think davidnind has relatively low permissions but did not want more when I last asked him.
16:19 cait should I use "block" on them?
16:21 i tihnk delete might be better hm
16:22 but I think I can't do that
16:23 thd Delete would be better unless some long time user account was compromised and could be restored.
16:28 cait i think htese have all been registered but mostly no tused
16:28 or contributions have already been deleted, but I don#t find the option
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16:33 thd Apparently there is no native way to delete mediawiki accounts as it can break the wiki if any posts remain.
16:37 There is an extension which fixes the references to allow account deletion without breaking the wiki.
16:37 oleonard 🤨
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17:13 thd cait: The extension which manages deletion is UserMerge which first assumes that you are merging multiple accounts into an account for spammers and then deleting the spammer account.  Requiring merging of accounts seems problematic to me.  Blocking the user indefinitely and deleting their contributions including deleting their user page which may be the primary spam page for most must be a safer method.
17:18 cait ok, will keep in mind
17:20 thd cait: We can check the contributions of recent users using the list users special form, find any spam contributions to delete and block problematic ones https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ers-form&limit=50 .
17:22 User names with a long number after them seems not to necessarily indicate a spammer unless I am missing the deleted content.
17:23 No I was missing the deleted contributions link.
17:24 tcohen thd, cait I'm too busy atm, but let me know if I'm needed somehow
17:24 thd Long numbers in the username are probably a clue.
17:30 oleonard It looks to me like guarantors can't see guarantees' checkouts but the reverse is true?
17:30 That doesn't seem right
17:30 cait I think when you assume it's children and parents... it does make sense
17:31 hm it does sound upside down, but it worked as guarantors can see guarantee's last time I checked
17:32 ashimema Weird
17:33 I was looking at the redirect guarantees email stuff just now
17:33 oleonard Could someone check to confirm? I feel like I'm going crazy.
17:34 ashimema Was about to clean up minimally and decided I'm not sure it's really good enough as a feature as is yet
17:35 It's morphed into a copy rather than redirect which is good.. but I think it should be in cc not two froms
17:35 Out at the moment oleonard.. can try to look later if no-one beats me to it
17:41 cait I am almost out for today, sorry :(
17:42 tcohen so I need to push all the things, but everyone is out? that's unfair
17:42 haha
17:42 cait you are in detention tcohen
17:42 need to stay longer to get your homework done ;)
17:42 tcohen XD
17:46 ashimema Lol
17:52 thd The spammer may have been just one person or one spambot given the commonalities between spam accounts and narrow range of time for account creation.
18:12 caroline oleonard, I was reading back, are you looking in the opac or staff?
18:12 oleonard Staff
18:13 caroline isn't there a "Relative's checkouts" in the garantor's details page?
18:13 oleonard In my test it was only on the guarantEE's page
18:14 caroline I made Mary Burton guarantor of Lisa Charles who has a checkout and it's showing in Mary's file
18:15 does your garantee have more than one guarantor maybe?
18:16 oleonard Hm... A non-Koha guarantor, but I wouldn't think that would matter. I'll have to test another record
19:02 thd tcohen cait: Recent accounts which actually created spam have had their user pages deleted often with a spam link at the end of their biography in addition to spam pages and have been blocked .  Similarly created very recent accounts which have not yet created spam or any other contributions are pending blocking.  There could be an unlikely false presumption in that set of recently created users.
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20:08 davidnind thd++
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20:12 thd Sending email for the wiki was down for long enough that we never previously discovered the need to implement the workaround for the AccountConfirmation extension bug in the current version of MediaWiki and it escaped notice otherwise.
20:15 The issue arose faster than I generally check relevant lists even if I had not had any extra doctor visits.
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20:21 thd Sadly, there seems to be no good batch account blocking tool for the current version of MediaWiki.  Wikipedia often uses bots for such tasks which are not always publicly documented.
20:32 davidnind let me know if there is anything I can help with - I don't mind doing things manually
20:37 thd Under the assumption that there are no legitimate users in the narrow recent timeframe, we need to block all the not yet blocked users who have not made a contribution back to about the 3 May visible at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ers-form&limit=50 .
20:38 Block for an indefinite period.
20:40 We should give the reason as something like suspected spam account as these as the definite spam accounts have already been blocked.
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20:45 thd Once upon a time we temporarily implemented some anti-spam hurdle and the spammers had lost interest when we removed the hurdle a few months later.
20:48 davidnind if you can give me access to block users, I'll work through the list over the next few days
20:48 I can also send an email to the general list about it, so that any inadvertently blocked users know about it
20:49 thd Do you not see the block option adjacent to the contrib link?
20:53 You need to be logged in to see the block option at https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ers-form&limit=50 .
20:53 davidnind No, I just see this (as an example): DouglasBollinger talk contribs (Created on 9 May 2023 at 13:07) (blocked)
20:54 thd "blocked" is already blocked.
20:55 Do you see "talk contribs block" for some other user?
20:55 davidnind For one that isn't blocked I see:  GalenVzq40660974 talk contribs (Created on 8 May 2023 at 13:28)
20:56 thd Reload the page.
20:56 davidnind Thanks thd! I can now see the block link.
20:56 thd Apparently, higher level permissions did not automatically grant you lower level permissions.
20:57 caroline Poor Mary is not having a great ROI for her library use XD https://snipboard.io/d8s4KX.jpg
20:58 thd You had higher level permissions but not lower level ones which seems peculiar but may have some design use.
20:59 You should check contribs to avoid catching a legitimate contributor with an actual contribution.
20:59 davidnind caroline: 🤣
21:00 thd: will do
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21:40 thd Now on the next page of 50 to 3 May https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]mw-listusers-form
21:40 Which is maybe another 25 to go.
21:48 Spam accounts seem to go to 3 April not May so another 100 or so to go.
21:52 davidnind I think they will probably go all the way back to the upgrade...
21:52 thd Yes, back to 27 Oct.
21:53 That is a few hundred.
21:54 davidnind I'll finish the page I'm on, and then do so more this evening - some other tasks to get through this morning...
21:56 thd Email was broken for much of that time so there must be very few accounts created with working logins.
22:03 Fixing a few more early spammers with spam messages to delete in the user page.  There is very little actual spam for all that spam account creation because email sending was broken.
22:04 davidnind That's a silver lining!
22:05 thd We would have spotted the bug in compatibility between AccountConfirmation and the current version of MediaWiki if mail sending had been working.
22:06 Mail sending was a tricky issue because of using the Docker container.
22:08 Actual spam was only created on a few days by perhaps one person or one bot.
22:11 davidnind Very fortunate there was not much SPAM pages credited or edits, although I think we would have notcie that...
22:18 thd We would have noticed.
22:20 Most of the spam was a subtle link in the user page where no one would generally look but where the spam purpose would have been served for improving page rank or whatever.
22:28 Only 5 actual spam pages created before May.
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