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| 06:36 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 07:36 | ashimema | Morning |
| 07:41 | marcelr | hi ashimema |
| 07:49 | i am looking for the easiest way to add to a date in a tt file; when I pass a dt object I can just do [% testdate.add( days => 1) %] but how do I handle a date field ? | |
| 07:53 | ashimema | er... |
| 07:53 | good question.. I have no idea off the top of my head | |
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| 07:55 | marcelr | probably need a convert to dt object in KohaTemplatePlugin |
| 07:56 | alex_ | Bonjour |
| 07:57 | ashimema | how is the field getting passed to the template? |
| 07:57 | I'm confused | |
| 07:58 | the KohaDate filter already accepts both a string and a dt object (dt_from_string is used, and that accepts both) | |
| 07:59 | marcelr | i would like to do e.g. borrower.dateexpiry.add( days => 1 ) |
| 07:59 | ashimema | I would think [% testdate.add( days => 1 ) | $KohaDates %] woudl work |
| 07:59 | marcelr | yes it works but i need to pass a dt object |
| 07:59 | and now i want to do it on a regular db field | |
| 07:59 | ashimema | ah, so dateexpired isn't expanded |
| 07:59 | I see | |
| 07:59 | marcelr | so i need the dt conv |
| 07:59 | and it seems not to be there yet | |
| 08:00 | Template's use date is not enough | |
| 08:00 | ashimema | so yeah.. I think you're right.. perhaps add a parameter to the KohaDates filter |
| 08:01 | we accept as_due_date | |
| 08:01 | you could add 'add', 'subtract' to what it accepts | |
| 08:01 | marcelr | ah this works: [% KohaDates.dt(borrower.dateexpiry).add( years => 2 ) | $KohaDates %] |
| 08:01 | when i add a small dt sub | |
| 08:02 | ashimema | maybe? |
| 08:02 | oh.. interesting | |
| 08:02 | cool | |
| 08:02 | me was thinking | |
| 08:02 | `[% borrower.dateexpiry | $KohaDates add_days => 1 %]` | |
| 08:03 | or something along those lines | |
| 08:03 | but it could be a pain adding a bunch of 'add_' and 'subtract_' options to the filter method | |
| 08:03 | marcelr | yes it looks nicer but seems to be more code |
| 08:03 | will have a try | |
| 08:03 | ashimema | indeed |
| 08:03 | marcelr | thx |
| 08:04 | ashimema | it's a nice idea.. though I'm somewhat intrigued by the use case. |
| 08:04 | part of me is surprised the requirement hasn't come up before in my memory | |
| 08:04 | part of my can't think of a reason you'd need it.. haha | |
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| 08:04 | ashimema | doh.. I've just been QAing another bug where one of my team did the SO! |
| 08:04 | marcelr | want to calculate a date three weeks further from issue date |
| 08:05 | ashimema | I need to start paying more attention.. not used to having an awesome team supporting me here and munching through the signoffs 🙂 |
| 08:05 | marcelr | more attention is always good :) |
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| 08:27 | ashimema | @later tell oleonard any chance you could take a look at my comment on bug 33190 ? |
| 08:27 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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| 10:05 | marcelr | ashimema: i think we can use both approaches |
| 10:06 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 10:06 | marcelr | they have their own advantages |
| 10:06 | the use case of kyle is quite different | |
| 10:06 | ashimema | just looking at your patch 🙂 |
| 10:06 | indeed | |
| 10:21 | marcelr | @later tell khall please test 33242 |
| 10:21 | huginn | marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:31 | marcelr | o/ |
| 12:41 | magnuse | \o |
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| 12:56 | marcelr | kidclamp++ |
| 13:11 | TriveniChandriki[m] | Can we do increment fine in koha. Without development |
| 13:15 | cait | what do you mean by increment? |
| 13:15 | Koha does add x to your fine every y days until ... if you configure it | |
| 13:16 | ashimema | which LTS method did we pick in the end Cait? |
| 13:16 | cait | look at koha versioning in the wiki ;) |
| 13:16 | ashimema | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]workflow_proposal |
| 13:16 | cait | no, but seriously, I documented it so it won't get lost - I'll quickly find it for you |
| 13:17 | ah yep, i put the link to the decision on the top of that page | |
| 13:17 | link to the meeting and link to the docs | |
| 13:18 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ning#LTS_Releases | |
| 13:18 | ashimema | thanks |
| 13:20 | cait | mtj, ashimema: no problems building 22.11.03 packages on our end |
| 13:21 | ashimema | excellent |
| 13:21 | TriveniChandriki[m] | <cait> "what do you mean by increment?" <- 1 week 5 rupees and 2 week 10 rupees and 3 week 15 rupees need fine in koha |
| 13:21 | cait | additional 10 and additional 15 or +5 each week? |
| 13:29 | TriveniChandriki[m] | Yes sir |
| 13:29 | cait | which one? |
| 13:32 | ashimema | "5 + 5 + 5" or "5 + 10 + 15" Triveni Chandriki |
| 13:32 | TriveniChandriki[m] | 5+10+15 |
| 13:33 | cait | Koha can't do that out of th box yet |
| 13:33 | ashimema | you could sponsor development of it 😜 |
| 13:33 | TriveniChandriki[m] | Ok sir |
| 13:33 | ashimema | cait is a girl Triveni 😜 |
| 13:34 | TriveniChandriki[m] | ashimema: Any charge on this sir |
| 13:34 | ashimema | sponsor = paying for it |
| 13:34 | you can of course search for an existing bug, submit a new bug and even submit code against a bug yourselves | |
| 13:35 | my point is.. we all have to feed our families and can't produce all features and all code for free | |
| 13:35 | the developments that progress quickest are those that are paid for | |
| 13:53 | mtj | hi cait, good to hear about packages |
| 13:53 | cait | coworker told me that the last 2 times he had trouble withmissing dependencies, but maybe this was fixed already |
| 13:56 | mtj | we need to update the wiki page, as there are now some extra steps with installing yarn/nodejs/gulp packages |
| 13:57 | * mtj | will update wiki page later today |
| 13:57 | cait | yes please |
| 13:57 | we are alwys building our own | |
| 14:01 | caroline | cait, if you have time can you give your opinion on bug 33237 ? I think it's a bug, but I wanted the opinion of someone else who uses Koha in another language |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33237 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , If TranslateNotices is off, use the interface language includes in slips |
| 14:28 | marcelr | i would expect if translate is off, always use default language ? |
| 14:28 | default (notice) language | |
| 14:29 | caroline | marcelr, well, in that case, it's always english |
| 14:29 | marcelr | yes but you could enable Translate |
| 14:29 | just what you want.. | |
| 14:29 | caroline | yes that's what I did, but I think it is unnecessary for installations with just one non-english language |
| 14:30 | marcelr | their notices could be vernacular anyway (as recorded in default) |
| 14:30 | caroline | but the "includes" are not translated |
| 14:30 | marcelr | ok |
| 14:31 | caroline | For example, the slip will be in French, but the accountype will print in english |
| 14:32 | marcelr | yeah thats odd |
| 14:32 | tcohen | marcelr: we can no longer get useful error informaiton on the API, can you check what's going on? |
| 14:33 | marcelr | what do you mean ? |
| 14:33 | tcohen | we used to warn "$exception" somehow |
| 14:33 | now we call $c->log->error ... | |
| 14:33 | and that goes nowhere | |
| 14:34 | marcelr | ok i will have a look |
| 14:35 | cait | hm commented on the bug |
| 14:35 | caroline: ^ | |
| 14:35 | i think interface language shoudl work for us, but another option could be to use the first in language list as the default | |
| 14:35 | you can reorder them because there is already some kind of fallback behavikour | |
| 14:37 | caroline | cait, thanks! I like the idea of the first language being the default |
| 14:41 | marcelr | tcohen: if I add a die in REST/V1/Patrons::get, I see the following in my plack-api-error.log: |
| 14:41 | [2023/03/16 14:38:31] [ERROR] GET /api/v1/patrons/51: unhandled exception (Mojo::Exception)<<Died at /usr/share/koha/Koha/REST/V1/Patrons.pm line 79.>> | |
| 14:41 | is it related to permissions on that file or specific log4perl configuration ? | |
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| 15:00 | cait | caroline: my thinking was that it could also work when you don't have an interface language - sending mails maybe? |
| 15:00 | not sure if we have that issue there yet | |
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| 15:13 | cait | caroline: that's funny - I was going to suggest using itembarcodefallbacksearch as an option for your dinosaurs yesterday - but then the list didn't show which was already checked out. And now AndrewFH filed bug 33246 |
| 15:13 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33246 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , itemBarcodeFallbackSearch search results should show whether or not items are available |
| 15:14 | cait | like... search for a prefix-barcode that is on the sheet, pick one that was not checked out out of the list |
| 15:14 | caroline | yeah he wrote on the ML with that option and said there were bugs |
| 15:15 | It's an interesting approach that I hadn't thought of at all | |
| 15:15 | cait | ah, didn't se the ML mails yet, willcheck later |
| 15:18 | caroline | re: sending mails maybe? interesting. So would it be if interface, then interface, if not, then first language? |
| 15:20 | cait | could be a plan |
| 15:21 | or even more: Patrons peferred language if a notice template exists for it - interace - first language? | |
| 15:22 | caroline | the notice template is not really the problem, it's the "includes" |
| 15:27 | If the patron has a preferred language both the notice and the includes will be in the correct language | |
| 15:29 | cait | aah ok |
| 15:29 | so maybe it just neeeds more fallbacks then | |
| 15:29 | caroline | yes I think so... and not assume that "default" is "english" |
| 15:30 | that's why I liked your first language idea | |
| 15:32 | I'll try to summarize this in the bug | |
| 15:32 | cait | thx :) |
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| 16:01 | aude_c | hello! Hoping there are other people around for the Documentation meeting (and that I haven't got the timing wrong again!!) |
| 16:01 | caroline | oh yes I forgot it's now! |
| 16:02 | let me get my things and we'll start | |
| 16:02 | aude_c | Haha! ok |
| 16:03 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 16 March 2023 |
| 16:03 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Mar 16 16:03:13 2023 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 16:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 16:03 | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_16_march_2023' | |
| 16:03 | caroline | #link agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_16_March_2023 |
| 16:03 | #topic Introductions | |
| 16:03 | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes | |
| 16:03 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montreal QC | |
| 16:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 16:04 | lucyvh[m] joined #koha | |
| 16:04 | aude_c | #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 16:05 | lucyvh[m] | #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe |
| 16:06 | aude_c | Oh hello Thomas! Have you been to a Docs meeting before? :) |
| 16:06 | caroline | davidnind sends his apologies, will not be joining us today |
| 16:06 | thd | Yes, but not for a long time. |
| 16:06 | aude_c | Cool. Always nice to see more people! |
| 16:06 | caroline | i'll ping our other regulars |
| 16:07 | cait ashimema | |
| 16:08 | marie-luce | |
| 16:08 | aude_c | are we allowed some small talk in the meantime? :D |
| 16:08 | caroline | #topic Review of action points |
| 16:09 | The two who had action points are not there lol | |
| 16:09 | cait to close the Docs mailing list - I know she sent an email to paulp, but I don't think it's been done yet | |
| 16:10 | ashimema to check for the manual keyword vs Needs documenting status - not sure about this one | |
| 16:10 | aude_c | I don't remember what exactly we meant by that |
| 16:10 | ashimema | ho.. hello |
| 16:10 | caroline | I think we wanted to change the bugs that have "Manual" keyword to "Needs documenting" status |
| 16:10 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 16:11 | aude_c | ah yes. |
| 16:11 | ashimema | I've not found a moment |
| 16:11 | but.. hackfest is around the corner | |
| 16:11 | perhaps aude_c can beat me with a big stick at hackfest to make sure it's done 😜 | |
| 16:12 | caroline | we can drop it, it was a nice idea, but we can continue with the dual status/keyword |
| 16:12 | * ashimema | is a tad distracted right now writing tender response text for the high ups ;P |
| 16:12 | ashimema | ah.. yeah.. |
| 16:12 | caroline | eesh, everything ok? |
| 16:12 | ashimema | that's easy enough but needs a rangi |
| 16:12 | aude_c | ... a big stick of bread? Yep, that's definitely possible ;) |
| 16:12 | caroline | lol! |
| 16:13 | ashimema | else we'll spam anyone ever associated with those bugs with the mass edit. |
| 16:13 | 🙂 | |
| 16:13 | aude_c | but as caroline says, not essential |
| 16:13 | ashimema | I was also going to try and enhance the dashboard a little more to improve the stats and recognise you guys a bit more 🙂 |
| 16:13 | that's what I was thinking about | |
| 16:14 | aude_c | nice. We can talk about it next week or at hackfest |
| 16:14 | caroline | cool! |
| 16:15 | #action followup on mailing list close down | |
| 16:15 | cait | oh sorry - meeting still running? |
| 16:15 | caroline | yep |
| 16:15 | cait | Mailing list is not close yet I think - I still get daily moderation requests |
| 16:16 | we can ask in Marseille I think | |
| 16:16 | caroline | +1 thanks! seems a lot will get done then |
| 16:16 | #topic Project updates | |
| 16:16 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 16:16 | caroline | speaking of Marseille... |
| 16:16 | ashimema | nothing like threatening people with baguettes ;) |
| 16:17 | caroline | Did we have anything else to hash out for the screenshot update? |
| 16:17 | aude_c | lol |
| 16:17 | Yes: do we have a video link? | |
| 16:17 | cait | for the mass edit: I sometimes put Manual in QA step |
| 16:17 | caroline | as long as it's fresh, it shouldn't hurt too too much |
| 16:17 | cait | so the status would not be necessarily be pushed always |
| 16:17 | not sure we can just update them to "Needs documenting" | |
| 16:18 | they might be stuck in some other status | |
| 16:18 | caroline | ok no prob, we'll continue as is... I think we had an idea to do it, but needed to check the consequences and these are it |
| 16:18 | aude_c | Marseille: can we send a message out in advance to the Koha mailing list, explaining how we're going to do it, what time people can start joining via the video link, also what we agreed last time about the copy of the images file? |
| 16:18 | ashimema | I could try to dig out the removal of the 'manual' keyword and use that in the dashboard stats |
| 16:18 | aude_c | I'm happy to do it myself - just wanted to check we were all ok on that |
| 16:19 | ashimema | alongside the change from 'Needs documetation' to any other status |
| 16:19 | .. I might even be able to update the link/counts to search on status or keyword? | |
| 16:19 | caroline | ashimema, it could cause noise no? |
| 16:19 | ashimema | cait.. you might be able to guide me there a bit 😜 |
| 16:19 | cait | um where to? |
| 16:20 | caroline | aude_c, good idea, I'll draft something |
| 16:20 | aude_c | thanks :) |
| 16:20 | caroline | I'd also like to do a trial run if anyone is interested... maybe tomorrow since I know some of you work on community stuff on fridays |
| 16:20 | ashimema | has anyone talked to Paul about vid links?... biblibre's internet sometimes creaks a bit under the load of all of us |
| 16:20 | aude_c | caroline: yes |
| 16:20 | ashimema: ah. No... | |
| 16:21 | * ashimema | makes a mental note to ask about roaming and our current mobile contracts at ptfs-e |
| 16:21 | aude_c | meant to ask you about sandboxes too, ashimema |
| 16:21 | caroline | that way we can see what goes wrong before there are too many of us doing it at the same time |
| 16:21 | ashimema | wonder how good marseille is with 5g |
| 16:22 | cait | maybe email paul_p directly for options, he might be able to help |
| 16:22 | I seem to remember that we plugged into the network last time and that was better? | |
| 16:22 | caroline | I'm here for your afternoon, so we can try something tomorrow in your afternoon, I could ping you guys to send a couple of submissions in and see how the work flows... is that ok? |
| 16:23 | aude_c | looks like several phone operators cover Marseille for 5G (no idea what we get switched to when we're there with our UK phones) |
| 16:24 | ashimema | the 5G at my house is faster than my fiber to the home connection.. it's crazy |
| 16:25 | caroline | any other project updates? |
| 16:25 | aude_c | caroline: yes. I'm not usually on IRC so you may have to email (sorry!) |
| 16:25 | caroline | thanks aude_c and lucy for the EDI stuff! I'm really excited about having one chapter 100% up to date |
| 16:26 | ok I'll send you all an email then | |
| 16:26 | aude_c | I was just about to say: lucyvh has been working on the EDI chapter following your request |
| 16:27 | caroline | yes she sumbitted it and I merged it should be up-to-date here https://koha-community.org/man[…].html#edi-process |
| 16:27 | aude_c | :) |
| 16:27 | caroline | aude_c++ lucyvh++ :D |
| 16:28 | lucyvh[m] | Still updates to do on the images! |
| 16:28 | caroline | in other project, I decided to update the Notices & slips list following a question on the mailing list... a lot are missing still |
| 16:28 | * ashimema | can nag aude_c and lucyvh to join irc if you need them any time caroline ;P |
| 16:29 | cait | aude_c++ lucyvh++ |
| 16:29 | caroline | I'm working on it little by little adding links in respective sections so people searching for it can link back to the notice, etc. |
| 16:29 | lol thanks ashimema! | |
| 16:29 | aude_c | I'm working on documenting the pseudonymization sys prefs. |
| 16:29 | caroline | ooh great! |
| 16:29 | cait | Inoticed that we don't have infomration on Elasticsearch specifics for searching |
| 16:30 | especially when using "expert" search - I am going to file a bug | |
| 16:30 | aude_c | I was also answering questions on the Patron import tool earlier this week and spotted some Documentation bugs about it so I added those to my to-do list. |
| 16:30 | caroline | ok I could try to get someone from bws to look at ES documentation... they were complaining about it |
| 16:31 | aude_c | ah yes, it would be nice to have more information on Elastic searching |
| 16:31 | cait | bywater had a nice cheat sheet in a blog post recently, that might be a nice starting point |
| 16:31 | caroline | could you link it in the bug? |
| 16:32 | cait | i have to do my first training with an elasticsearch intallation soon, I can try to add info tot he bug that I find, but might not be able to actually work on the manual anytime soon |
| 16:32 | yes I will | |
| 16:32 | it came up in our workshop yesterday, I am still workign through my notes :) | |
| 16:32 | caroline | ok thanks! |
| 16:33 | aude_c | we've got some info somewhere too |
| 16:33 | we could start by all adding what we have and then expand later | |
| 16:33 | caroline | #action caroline to send an email to the mailing list about hackfest screenshot update details |
| 16:34 | #action caroline to ping docs team member friday march 17 to do a test run for screenshot update | |
| 16:35 | #info aude_c working on patron import docs | |
| 16:35 | #info aude_c working on pseudonymisation sysprefs | |
| 16:36 | #info caroline working on notices and slips | |
| 16:36 | am I missing anything? | |
| 16:36 | aude_c | all to look into Elasticsearch? |
| 16:36 | caroline | #action all to look into their own docs for ES related info and submit it to have a starting point in the manual |
| 16:37 | aude_c | that's us held to account now! haha |
| 16:37 | cait | :) |
| 16:38 | caroline | yours and bws' would be easier to use... mine and cait's are more likely to need translation before sumbitting :) |
| 16:38 | moving on? | |
| 16:39 | aude_c | good point! I think what we have is a "advantages of Elastic" doc, but there are some actual point I could pull out |
| 16:39 | caroline | #topic What's been done so far |
| 16:39 | not sure what this topic is compared to the previous one... | |
| 16:39 | thd | People should know that at the present time wiki email is broken again which prevents new account creation and password resetting. I can reset passwords on the wiki docker container command line and could presumably create new accounts on the command line. Probably some Postfix security update at tcohen's SMTP server has made things too secure. Gabriel, his systems administration person will fix it sometime soon we hope. Running the wiki i |
| 16:39 | n a Docker container complicates email authentication which is already complex enough because of spam prevention issues but a mail system on the same server would not be localhost when the wiki is in a Docker container. Several hours fiddling with wiki settings did not fix the problem but Gabriel can adjust both the SMTP server and the wiki. | |
| 16:39 | Sorry that was a bit verbose .. | |
| 16:40 | caroline | #info wiki email is currently broken, no new account/password reset for the moment |
| 16:40 | cait | thx for letting us know thd |
| 16:40 | thd | If you really need password reset I can do it from the command line. |
| 16:41 | caroline | should I info that? Not sure I want to advertise contacting you directly... |
| 16:41 | thd | We hope it will be fixed soon by Gabriel who has access to the tcohen's SMTP server which I do not. |
| 16:41 | caroline | #info Theke working on resolving the wiki email issue |
| 16:42 | thanks for the update thd! | |
| 16:42 | thd | You could try sending a message to td-koha-wiki-admin AT agogme.com and check your spam box for a couple of weeks as I may not satisfy some email authentication systems. |
| 16:46 | caroline | #info if urgent help needed for wiki password reset/account creation send message to td-koha-wiki-admin AT agogme.com |
| 16:47 | #topic Content development guidelines | |
| 16:47 | there is nothing here in the agenda, does anyone have anything? | |
| 16:48 | aude_c | no |
| 16:49 | caroline | #topic Next steps |
| 16:49 | #info see agenda for links to to-do lists | |
| 16:49 | I don't have anything to add... | |
| 16:50 | #topic General discussion | |
| 16:50 | ashimema, you wanted to talk about video calls? | |
| 16:51 | aude_c | shall we try it for next meeting? |
| 16:51 | It would mean writing minutes separately | |
| 16:53 | caroline | #info video calls discussion postponed to next meeting |
| 16:53 | #action caroline to add video calls to next agenda | |
| 16:53 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 16:53 | april 13? | |
| 16:54 | aude_c | yes |
| 16:54 | caroline | just looking at the times... |
| 16:55 | it's really hard to get both europe and nz lolo | |
| 16:56 | 14UTC is 10am eastern america/canada, 3pm london, 4pm central europe | |
| 16:56 | (2am nz... :/ ) | |
| 16:57 | aude_c | we'll never find a time that's in the workday for everyone |
| 16:57 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 13 April, 2023, 14 UTC |
| 16:57 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:57 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Mar 16 16:57:57 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:57 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-03-16-16.03.html | |
| 16:57 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-03-16-16.03.txt | |
| 16:57 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]16-16.03.log.html | |
| 16:58 | caroline | thanks everyone! |
| 16:58 | aude_c | I don't mind if it's later in the evening Uk time every couple of months, if it makes it easier for NZ time |
| 16:58 | thd | We can find a time when some people will not have to be asleep. |
| 16:58 | caroline | I'll try to alternate next time |
| 16:58 | unfortunately, I can't stay very late on Thursdays | |
| 16:59 | thd | Thursdays are not the best for me either. |
| 16:59 | aude_c | thanks. Bye for now! |
| 16:59 | thd | Why do people want video? |
| 17:00 | Why do people want video meetings? | |
| 17:00 | caroline | not sure... we'll see next meeting :) |
| 17:00 | aude_c | it's more sound I'm personally interested in. Makes it easier to talk over things |
| 17:00 | thd | Zoom is the road to proprietary doom for a free software project. |
| 17:01 | aude_c | that's why we're looking at Jitsi Meet, I guess! |
| 17:01 | caroline | @later tell tuxayo can you run the meeting script of the docs meeting for me? thanks! |
| 17:01 | huginn | caroline: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:02 | caroline | off to lunch, talk later! |
| 17:05 | lucyvh[m] | Thnx all |
| 17:16 | cait | bug 33255 |
| 17:16 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33255 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Update the manual with information on searching with Elasticsearch |
| 17:34 | cait | bye! |
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| 18:10 | zimbo_[m] | hey, wasn´t the chat in the koha interface once? |
| 18:12 | caroline | zimbo_[m], if it ever was, it was before my time |
| 18:14 | zimbo_[m] | since when r u working on koha? |
| 18:14 | caroline | 2017 |
| 18:14 | zimbo_[m] | no i defintetly saw it like a few months ago |
| 18:15 | caroline | in the staff interface? |
| 18:15 | zimbo_[m] | yes |
| 18:16 | caroline | And you would chat with...? other staff members? |
| 18:16 | zimbo_[m] | no i saw the devs talking on it |
| 18:17 | about the new things about koha | |
| 18:17 | caroline | it's really not ringing a bell, sorry... :/ |
| 18:17 | although in my defense, my memory is very poor... so I might just not remember it | |
| 18:18 | ashimema | I've never seen that |
| 18:18 | Not since I've been in Koha since 2009 | |
| 18:18 | I like the idea though | |
| 18:18 | zimbo_[m] | I´m losing my mind lmao literally no one remembers it but i went on it so many times |
| 18:19 | yeah it was pretty cool if it ever was a thing (I´m not sure anymore lmaooo) | |
| 18:19 | caroline | It might have been a local customization of like integrating an IRC client into Koha? |
| 18:19 | ashimema | I imagine it wouldn't be crazy hard to embed an element client |
| 18:20 | zimbo_[m] | ughh idk, thanks for the help tho! :) |
| 18:21 | ashimema | I'd love a way to get more people involved int he Koha chatter |
| 18:22 | IRC still holds some back I think.. though I do think the matrix bridge and link to element from the website has helped a little | |
| 18:22 | Maybe I'm imagining that though | |
| 18:22 | caroline | Yeah, I'm not sure having it in the staff interface would be such a great idea... we'd be only answering support questions from random library staff |
| 18:22 | zimbo_[m] | i don´t remember being able to write in it tho |
| 18:22 | just read the messages | |
| 18:22 | ashimema | Indeed, that is true |
| 18:24 | caroline | zimbo_[m], are you supported by a company? Maybe it was a special thing to present new features that your company did? |
| 18:25 | zimbo_[m] | no we also have that but my company is a non english one and there were just english comments in it, saying whats new and kinda answering questions |
| 18:26 | caroline | it's a cool idea, kind of like an AMA on new features |
| 18:27 | ashimema | Interesting |
| 18:28 | I do love the idea | |
| 18:28 | In a way | |
| 18:28 | zimbo_[m] | I always looked into it when i was bored at work :`) it was really great ngl i found it so interesting |
| 18:29 | * ashimema | might need to think more about what he writes if the whole world was watching |
| 18:30 | caroline | this channel here is very interesting. I always have it open on my second screen and read. even if I don't understand everything you learn a lot |
| 18:30 | ashimema | Scary prospect |
| 18:30 | Yeah, I love it here | |
| 18:31 | It would be good to have some more librarian focused chatter somewhere easily accessible though.. I've often thought that | |
| 18:31 | caroline | well, based on the number of people connected, there are a lot of lurkers |
| 18:31 | ashimema | There's the mailing lists of course.. but they're not quite the same |
| 18:31 | We host a slack for our customers but actually getting them to really adopt it is proving really hard.. the forum we hosted didn't work either.. not did the mailing lists we did | |
| 18:32 | caroline | I was looking into discourse for our customers, but I really don't want to become a community moderator |
| 18:34 | ashimema | It's not easy |
| 18:34 | We do all sorts of things | |
| 18:35 | But it's really hard to get traction | |
| 18:36 | caroline | I guess it depends on the purpose or what you're trying to achieve with it? |
| 18:37 | For me, I was looking for a way to field questions like "what do other libraries do for {insert very specific situation I have no idea about}" | |
| 18:38 | I wanted them to be able to ask each other those questions rather than going through me | |
| 18:38 | ashimema | Yup |
| 18:38 | Same | |
| 18:39 | We see such questions pop up on their slack but we don't know the answer ourselves and there's no one lurking from other customers regularly | |
| 18:39 | So it always dead ends | |
| 18:40 | I'm really interested to know if anyone out there does have more luck with such an effort | |
| 18:40 | caroline | hm... so maybe a forum type thing would be better? |
| 18:40 | ashimema | Tried that |
| 18:40 | Same problem | |
| 18:40 | Discourse | |
| 18:40 | We replaced it with slack | |
| 18:41 | caroline | hah! I'll know not to try it then ;) |
| 18:41 | ashimema | The core issue was timing.. people had questions.. rarely did they have answers |
| 18:42 | caroline | A user meetup? |
| 18:42 | ashimema | And they tended to only come by when they had such a question.. so even if they had answers when they finally came to look it was often weeks or months after a question had been asked and garnered no interest |
| 18:43 | caroline | yeah... people want to take but not necessarily give back |
| 18:43 | ashimema | We do that too. Those are a bit more successful... Though also difficult to attract people to .. travel budgets and things |
| 18:43 | We tried going online, hosting zoom.. also struggled a bit | |
| 18:45 | Only seems to really work online when we lead the discussion.. we do our 'open discussions'.. an open invite zoom + YouTube call about random topics we pick to try and evoke chatter | |
| 18:45 | Those work better | |
| 18:46 | caroline | interesting |
| 18:46 | ashimema | It's funny.. because there's are lots of really cool really knowledgeable people out there |
| 18:46 | When we do manage to get them all taking magic happens | |
| 18:46 | Just really hard to open the door | |
| 18:47 | caroline | we did our first "upgrade webinar" last fall and we surprisingly had a lot of people coming |
| 18:47 | I think I had one question... but a lot of them told me they enjoyed it | |
| 18:48 | ashimema | I wonder if an inter-koha instances chat inside the staff client would work? |
| 18:48 | Where your admin could pick the libraries it connects to | |
| 18:48 | caroline | interesting |
| 18:49 | zimbo_[m] | ohhh that sounds like it could work |
| 18:51 | CaptainNero[m] | 😶🌫️ |
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