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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 01:53 | mtj | hi tcohen, about re bz 32994 ? |
| 04:42 | ..short version, both patches are required :) | |
| 05:26 | dcook | mtj++ |
| 05:27 | Now if only time would slow down so that I could test and QA all the things... | |
| 05:33 | mtj | we need to tell ./build-resources.PL that we are a prod/dev install |
| 05:37 | https://www.shellcheck.net/ | |
| 05:37 | i recently spotted this ^ | |
| 05:37 | https://chromium.googlesource.[…]/v0.4.4/README.md | |
| 05:38 | https://github.com/koalaman/shellcheck | |
| 05:38 | ^ better link :) | |
| 05:39 | ive found it helpful to correct some of my bad bash habits 🤓 | |
| 06:08 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:09 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:16 | fridolin joined #koha | |
| 06:41 | mtj | hi reiveune |
| 06:41 | https://download.koha-community.org/ | |
| 06:42 | ^ oops, does this look wronky to others? | |
| 07:00 | Joubu | yes nav menu is too width |
| 07:20 | thibaud_g joined #koha | |
| 07:20 | ashimema | Morning |
| 07:50 | cait joined #koha | |
| 07:52 | alex_ joined #koha | |
| 07:54 | alex_ | Bonjour |
| 07:59 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 08:03 | cait1 joined #koha | |
| 08:14 | mtj | hi europe |
| 08:20 | i thought it might be time for me to finish-up that jenkins tar build 🤔 | |
| 08:57 | ashimema | cait |
| 08:57 | I think I finally have the notes building again | |
| 08:58 | PERL5LIB was giving me the run around it seems.. | |
| 09:02 | cait1 | nice! |
| 09:02 | ashimema++ | |
| 09:06 | Joubu | prove t/db_dependent/www/auth_values_input_www.t |
| 09:06 | Is this passing in ktd? It's failing for me | |
| 09:06 | KOHA_INTRANET_URL is not | |
| 09:06 | is that just me? | |
| 09:11 | cait1 | my ktd is not the super latest - would it still help to run it? |
| 09:12 | Joubu | yes |
| 09:12 | cait1 | give me a moment |
| 09:13 | https://paste.koha-community.org/1515 | |
| 09:15 | Joubu | hum, thanks, what I am getting as well |
| 09:15 | but jenkins is green... | |
| 09:22 | cait1 | hm not running the www tests or knowing something we don't know? |
| 09:25 | Joubu | it's coming from ktd's latest changes. I let a comment on #335 |
| 09:26 | magnuse | talking of ktd... i just did "git pull", "ktd pull" and "ku". now when i try to "git bz attach |
| 09:27 | " i get "NameError: global name 'host' is not defined"? | |
| 09:27 | the .env file looks unchanged | |
| 09:31 | Joubu | koha user? |
| 09:32 | magnuse | oops, looks like i am root |
| 09:32 | how did that happen? | |
| 09:34 | this works: "koha-shell -c "git bz attach -e 29449 HEAD" kohadev" | |
| 09:35 | fridolin left #koha | |
| 09:40 | magnuse | paulderscheid[m], domm[m]: example of the Alex plugin in action: https://koha.vaggeryd.se/cgi-b[…]iblionumber=90504 The picture and text below "More searches" is provided by the plugin |
| 09:41 | paulderscheid[m] | Good stuff! |
| 09:42 | Goes on my list for adoption. | |
| 09:55 | mtj | magnuse++ very nice 🥂 |
| 09:56 | magnuse | mtj: thanks, but it's not my plugin :-) https://github.com/JSahlberg/Alex-plugin-koha |
| 10:05 | mtj | liked and subscribed |
| 10:37 | cait1 | magnuse: you should automatically be the koha user now when you do ktd --shell |
| 10:37 | where does Alex pull its data from? | |
| 10:38 | ashimema | huh |
| 10:42 | magnuse | cait1: but not when i do kshell? |
| 10:43 | cait1 | i think nothing happens now when i do kshell |
| 10:43 | magnuse | cait1: https://www.alex.se/ |
| 10:44 | cait1: "ktd --shell" gives me "Error: No such container: koha-koha-1" | |
| 10:44 | kshell logs me in as root | |
| 10:44 | *Â magnuse | needs food |
| 10:44 | cait1 | hm kshell doesn't do anything for me anymore |
| 10:44 | maybe you have an alias I don't? | |
| 10:46 | ... food sounds good | |
| 11:04 | *Â ashimema | just had cake and coffee |
| 11:04 | ashimema | brain is better now |
| 11:05 | cait1 | hmm cake. |
| 11:07 | ashimema | black bannana cake.. Nikki makes it.. I'm sooo lucky to have her 🙂 |
| 11:07 | Joubu | black? lot of chocolate? |
| 11:08 | no, don't tell me, I don't want to know | |
| 11:08 | ashimema | haha |
| 11:08 | older bannana's, i.e going brown.. and dates rather than chocolate | |
| 11:09 | it's dark.. no black.. just called black | |
| 11:19 | oleonard | ashimema: I would call that "banana bread," is that a different thing? |
| 11:23 | ashimema | we have both.. one has sugar the other not so much I think? |
| 11:24 | *Â ashimema | likes both |
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| 11:24 | ashimema | my banana bread recipe certainly tastes different and is of a different texture too. |
| 11:24 | but yeah.. I can see the similarity | |
| 11:24 | oleonard | Gotcha |
| 11:25 | *Â ashimema | does a banana bread with yeah and wholemeal flower.. it's more.. erm.. chewy/springy and a little less sweet |
| 11:25 | ashimema | s/yeah/yeast |
| 11:26 | the cake uses plain flour and baking powder | |
| 11:26 | *Â ashimema | is easily distracted today |
| 11:33 | *Â oleonard | refrains from talking about carrot cake |
| 11:34 | *Â ashimema | salivates |
| 11:40 | tcohen | hola #koha o/ |
| 11:40 | *Â tcohen | is caffeine low |
| 11:50 | tcohen | Joubu: is the problem present in stable? |
| 11:51 | bug 22678 | |
| 11:51 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22678 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED FIXED, Set 'Koha::Logger' as the default mojo logger for the REST API |
| 11:55 | Joubu | 22.11 |
| 11:55 | I haven't tried, but I don't see why it wouldn't | |
| 11:57 | tcohen | I wasn't sure if it was in 22.11 |
| 11:57 | :-D | |
| 11:58 | thanks | |
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| 12:28 | mtj | hi cait1, did you get your ktd/kshell problem sorted? |
| 12:28 | ^ magnuse too : | |
| 12:30 | i wonder about a plan to slowly swap a/some unreliable selenium tests with cypress | |
| 12:32 | davewood | hi, I want to use C4::Biblio::DelBiblio but since the biblio has items I get the warning "This Biblio has items attached, please delete them first before deleting this biblio" ... I am now trying to find out how to delete the associated items. |
| 12:35 | Joubu | Koha::Biblios->find(42)->items->delete |
| 12:35 | wait | |
| 12:35 | that's... destructive | |
| 12:35 | it won't move them to the deleteditems table | |
| 12:36 | there is a safe_delete method if you want to move them | |
| 12:38 | magnuse | mtj: no, didn't look more into it yet |
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| 12:40 | davewood | Joubu: 'move them' means to the deleted* tables I assume. I am looking to "delete" the items in a way that fits whatever DelBiblio does. Would it make sense to add a --delete-items param to AddBiblio |
| 12:41 | or add a DelItem function equal to DelBiblio | |
| 12:42 | Joubu | DelItem has been removed, and replaced by Koha::Item->move_to_deleted and ->delete |
| 12:42 | kidclamp | bug 32804 could use a bump |
| 12:42 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32804 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Importing and replacing items causes inconsistency when itemnumber match and biblio match disagree |
| 12:43 | Joubu | you want to loop over $biblio->items and call $item->move_to_deleted; $item->delete; |
| 12:45 | davewood | Joubu: thank you! for the record ... how would I find out how to do that properly other then asking here in IRC and being blessed with a responsive community? |
| 12:45 | is there a resource im missing is the underlying question | |
| 12:49 | Joubu | davewood: I would have searched for "DelItem" in the git log, then found "Bug 23463: Remove DelItem" |
| 12:49 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23463 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, Move C4::Items CRUD subroutines to Koha::Item |
| 12:49 | Joubu | and see there the DelItem replaced by the 3 lines I gave you |
| 12:50 | but it's always good to come and ask here, it's a good opportunity to say hi ;) | |
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| 12:51 | davewood | I dont mind that at all i just dont want to be disruptive with issues that I can handle by myself. |
| 12:52 | Joubu | (almost) always happy to help! |
| 12:56 | bill-k[m] | I have a bit of a two-fold question both related to serving a video in Koha. A library that I'm volunteering to help me maintain is trying to serve videos to be viewable in browser. As of right now with the way that it is configured it looks like when we click link to resource it is going to our AWS bucket directly and leaving the Koha site... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]EBdwKSZcdesRfdgdB>) |
| 12:59 | cait1 | mtj: all good here, was commenting on magnuse' issue |
| 13:01 | davewood: there is perldoc.koha-community.org I think, but not sure how current it is | |
| 13:01 | I would probably have gone to Koha::Item looking at the object methods | |
| 13:01 | or... starting in a script where items are deleted seeing what that does | |
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| 13:02 | cait1 | bill-k[m]: i know this is possible for youtube videos... there are some prefs to give you a viewer in Koha |
| 13:02 | let me have a look | |
| 13:03 | HTML5MediaYouTube | |
| 13:03 | davewood | cait1: good input, but with Koha there is always a bit of a mystery involved 'what i think is the right way to do things' VS actual-best-practice. :) |
| 13:04 | cait1 | davewood: true in part |
| 13:04 | davewood: I was wondering - the geographic search is still waiting for sign-off - do you have any update on that? | |
| 13:05 | davewood | cait1: i fowarded your question to our signal group and get back to you asap. |
| 13:05 | cait1 | bill-k[m]: I am not sure if it's possible with anything but Youtube right now - probably not because you need some kind of viewer to run the video |
| 13:05 | not urgent - but thx! | |
| 13:05 | tcohen | mtj: around? |
| 13:05 | cait1 | I was just wondering if you were still working on it maybe, expecting the library woudl sign-off |
| 13:07 | tcohen | mtj: I need to check with you about the build process, what OS base.tgz you're using, etc |
| 13:07 | mtj | hi tcohen |
| 13:07 | bill-k[m] | @cait1 Alright thank you! I saw an enhancement request to add some more, but wasn't sure if there was anything else that existed. Do you have any idea on the second part of that, having items generate a presigned url for aws instead of directly linking to the item in s3? |
| 13:07 | huginn | bill-k[m]: I suck |
| 13:08 | bill-k[m] | huginn: I doubt that! |
| 13:08 | huginn | bill-k[m]: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 13:08 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 13:08 | cait1 | huginn is a bot, they react to the @ |
| 13:08 | huginn | cait1: downloading the Perl source |
| 13:08 | cait1 | so you can ignore those comments |
| 13:08 | wahanui @botsnack cookie | |
| 13:08 | wahanui | thanks cait1 :) |
| 13:09 | cait1 | the developer who did the youtube one is no longer around, I am not aware of any plans to extend it |
| 13:09 | I think it would embed the youtube player component somehow - so not sure how easy you can implement self hosted, maybe well possible, but it's not something  I have ever looked into - someone else might have an idea | |
| 13:10 | oleonard | We don't need a YouTube link to embed video anymore |
| 13:11 | We've got HTML5 embedding working in some places | |
| 13:11 | Bug 8377 | |
| 13:11 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8377 new feature, P5 - low, ---, mirko, CLOSED FIXED, Show HTML5 video/ audio for media files in OPAC and staff client |
| 13:13 | marcelr joined #koha | |
| 13:13 | marcelr | o/ |
| 13:14 | Joubu: I can change status to SO on 33020 ? | |
| 13:14 | cait1 | oleonard++ :) |
| 13:15 | Joubu | marcelr: I don't have time to retest right now, and if you think it's ok please do |
| 13:15 | cait1 | ah i see my mistake, i searched the prefs for video, html5 brings them all up |
| 13:15 | Joubu | but I didn't change the config, only checked out an old commit and I got the trace |
| 13:15 | not on master | |
| 13:16 | cait1 | bill-k[m]: ^ |
| 13:16 | bill-k[m] | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/HTML5_Media_RFC |
| 13:16 | Would this be implemented and working then? It reads like it might be a feature plan and not yet implemented | |
| 13:18 | marcelr | Joubu: will do, tested a few levels |
| 13:18 | default is warn | |
| 13:18 | remember that mojo had a trace default in dev mode or so | |
| 13:19 | Joubu | I didn't change anything between my checkout.. |
| 13:20 | cait1 | bill-k[m]: it links to the bug oleonard found at the top which is marked closed |
| 13:20 | there is also an example record on that bug - that might help also the test plans | |
| 13:23 | Joubu | Me writting 40 days ago "We need this ASAP for 22.11."... lol |
| 13:23 | bill-k[m] | Awesome, will see if we can get something going with this. Thank you for the help! |
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| 13:51 | caroline | Did I imagine that we stopped using the term "fines"? I thought we used "charge" now or "fee"? I can't find it in the terminology list, so I'm wondering if I dreamt that part |
| 13:55 | oleonard | caroline: Maybe in some places? My understanding was that "fine" is specific to late fees and that other terms might be more general |
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| 13:57 | caroline | I think I thought that because at one point the 'Fines' tab became 'Accounting' and 'Pay fines' became 'Make a payment', etc. because a lot of libraries don't have fines anymore, but have other types of charges |
| 13:58 | I probably imagined a larger directive | |
| 13:59 | ashimema | to me, a fine is one type of charge |
| 13:59 | I would say the general collective sohuld be 'charges' | |
| 14:01 | caroline | I was thinking in this case for example, 'Pay an amount towards all fines' should be 'towards all charges' no? https://snipboard.io/jsbBt3.jpg |
| 14:01 | ashimema | I would totally take that as a patch 🙂 |
| 14:01 | yes.. 100% agree with you on that one | |
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| 14:03 | tcohen | +1 |
| 14:03 | caroline | But I can't find an official source to support my claim (aka terminology list), so... |
| 14:04 | tcohen | oleonard++ # dart-sass |
| 14:04 | caroline | should I add it to a dev meeting for a vote? how does it work? |
| 14:04 | cait | caroline: +1 from me also |
| 14:04 | caroline: we shoudl add it, maybe add to meetin gagenda? quick one :) | |
| 14:05 | I wonder if someone could give me a hand on writing tests for bug 32548 | |
| 14:05 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32548 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Make illrequestattributes easily available to ILL notices |
| 14:06 | cait | i have the patch, it's tested and working, but the unit tests have me scratching my head... |
| 14:06 | caroline | mext meeting? |
| 14:06 | cait | next meeting? |
| 14:06 | wahanui | rumour has it next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 14:06 | caroline | right, thanks cait! |
| 14:08 | cait | it loosk like there are current tests, but they don't seem to use the notice template... but mock it? so I am not sure how to add the new info to the test |
| 14:10 | patch attached - if someone wants to have a look | |
| 14:30 | hm trying to dump my database in ktd, but failing | |
| 14:30 | i tried with the koha and the root user | |
| 14:30 | mysqldump: Got error: 2002: "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" when trying to connect | |
| 14:30 | mysqldump -u koha_kohadev -p koha_kohadev | |
| 14:30 | verified connection data in koha-conf.xml too | |
| 14:31 | Joubu | -h db |
| 14:32 | cait | hm doesn't seem to know -h |
| 14:32 | gives me the usage back | |
| 14:32 | mysqldump -u koha_kohadev -p -h koha_kohadev ? | |
| 14:34 | I read it that the db is the last param after the options and -p can be used without 'content' so you do't have it in history | |
| 14:35 | Joubu | you need to pass the dbms server, which is named "db" |
| 14:36 | cait | that definitely makes more sense |
| 14:36 | Joubu | mysqldump -h db -u user -ppass db_name |
| 14:36 | something like that | |
| 14:36 | cait | yes, that looks good |
| 14:36 | now i just need to remember to actually reroute that into a file too :) | |
| 14:37 | Joubu++ | |
| 14:38 | Joubu | can we trade karma for PQA? |
| 14:39 | cait | not easily right now, I try to make time, but it slips away... |
| 14:39 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:39 | Sorry.. I'm falling behind on my QA at the moment.. | |
| 14:40 | having said that.. my ratio's are still better than the majority out there 😜 | |
| 14:40 | marcelr | ashimema++ you ask for it :) |
| 14:41 | numbers are just numbers | |
| 14:41 | Joubu | I think I will simply bribe the RM and offer him beers at the hackfest |
| 14:41 | that's how it always worked, right? | |
| 14:42 | marcelr | unfortunately |
| 14:43 | cait | ... doesn't lke beer |
| 14:43 | Joubu | you are not RM |
| 14:44 | RM can skip QA :D | |
| 14:44 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:44 | cait | ... disrespect. |
| 14:45 | marcelr | we need a fast self_qa path |
| 14:45 | cait | mutiny. |
| 14:56 | *Â ashimema | has been recently scarred by the lack of QA in another project... Â Painful as it might be sometimes slow QA is waaaay better than no qa |
| 15:01 | cait | thx ashimema :) |
| 15:01 | at least some of my crew... | |
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| 15:08 | caroline | Is the dev meeting later today or now? |
| 15:09 | Joubu | in ~7 hours |
| 15:10 | caroline | ok thx! |
| 15:12 | Not sure why, the google calendar in my thunderbird shows it as now, but if I go to my google calendar, it shows as later today, hence my confusion | |
| 15:18 | cait | oh i had 16:00 too |
| 15:18 | I think tuxayo fixed/changed it | |
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| 16:18 | cait | Joubu: commented on bug 31056 - can you check again please? |
| 16:18 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31056 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Unable to 'Close and export as PDF' a basket group |
| 16:18 | cait | I think basketgroup.js is dead code |
| 16:18 | apart from that one function | |
| 16:19 | oleonard: maybe you could confirm? it appears to be a side efect of removing YUI | |
| 16:19 | oleonard | I will look |
| 16:19 | cait | thanks! |
| 16:22 | tcohen | hi all, hope you saw my message on koha-devel and are not struggling with ktd today |
| 16:22 | (i.e. sass related) | |
| 16:30 | cait | thx for the heads up :) |
| 16:34 | PedroAmorim[m] | hi yes thank you |
| 16:38 | kidclamp | joubu++ |
| 17:14 | tcohen | Joubu++ # taking care of things for the team |
| 17:14 | ashimema++ # always | |
| 17:14 | cait++ # even if grumpy about the QA speed | |
| 17:15 | cait | I am one person, the QA team is many people... |
| 17:15 | I can only beg, remind and nudge - I can't force anyone | |
| 17:15 | ashimema | Hugs all round |
| 17:15 | tcohen++ | |
| 17:15 | cait | but even if that sounded grumpy - you know I love you all |
| 17:17 | tcohen | we know :-D |
| 17:18 | cait | tcohen: maybe you should stop stealing my QA people for other tasks :P |
| 17:21 | tcohen | <.< ? |
| 17:21 | cait | ? |
| 17:21 | tcohen | need a clarification m'am |
| 17:22 | I'm not stealing, I'm the RM, they are all mine | |
| 17:22 | hahaha | |
| 17:22 | cait | just referring to the comment about Joubu and ashimema :) |
| 17:22 | lol | |
| 17:22 | tcohen | well, there's a bunch of Vue related things in the queue |
| 17:23 | that require some KTD and misc4dev interventions | |
| 17:23 | which we almost finished | |
| 17:24 | boo, I depleted my 4g data plan. I now need to rely on the sloooooooow wifi for a ktd pull | |
| 17:35 | cait left #koha | |
| 17:49 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Joubu: there" (4 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/1524 |
| 17:50 | tcohen | we can now merge and add it to misc4dev |
| 17:51 | PedroAmorim[m]: ktd pull | |
| 17:51 | and ktd will be capable of running cypress out of the box | |
| 17:56 | oleonard | I seem to have issues again today with git and ownership... |
| 17:56 | I thought that was all fixed... | |
| 17:56 | tcohen | it should, oleonard |
| 17:56 | is your clone clean? | |
| 17:56 | no node_modules? | |
| 17:59 | oleonard | tcohen: No node_modules before ktd up? |
| 18:01 | tcohen | the clone should not contain a node_modules dir |
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| 18:12 | tcohen | mtj: sudo docker run    --volume=/home/tcohen/git/koha:/koha    --volume=/home/tcohen/tmp/debs:/debs    --privileged    --env VERSION=22.12.00.005    --env RELEASE=master koha/koha-dpkg:master |
| 18:18 | PedroAmorim[m] | tcohen++ #am I doing this right? =D |
| 18:27 | ashimema | Are you using the perl build script in ktd.. it add node_modules |
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| 18:28 | ashimema | I didn't put that in it, but mtj added it.. I think we need to ensure people run just the yarn build bits and never yarn install |
| 18:28 | tcohen | ashimema: what if we added an alias? |
| 18:29 | fridolin | yellow |
| 18:29 | tcohen | yarn_install => yarn install --modules-dir /kohadevbox/node_modules |
| 18:29 | or smth | |
| 18:29 | ashimema | Do we need one... Just some documentation is probably enough |
| 18:29 | 'yarn build' should do the trick right? | |
| 18:29 | Just don't do build_dependancies.PL | |
| 18:30 | As that runs install internally which really isn't needed when being run from inside ktd | |
| 18:30 | Oh, that could work.. maybe | |
| 18:30 | I'm out and about at the minute so can't think so well | |
| 18:32 | tcohen | I've been like that since I botted my workstation ashimema, no worries |
| 19:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 21:47 | tuxayo | meeting in 10 min! |
| 22:02 | JesseM_ joined #koha | |
| 22:02 | cait | i am here |
| 22:03 | davidnind | I am here too' |
| 22:03 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 22 February 2023 | |
| 22:03 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Feb 22 22:03:33 2023 UTC. Â The chair is davidnind. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:03 | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_22_february_2023' | |
| 22:03 | davidnind | #info Agenda https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_22_February_2023 |
| 22:04 | #chair cait tuxayo | |
| 22:04 | huginn | Current chairs: cait davidnind tuxayo |
| 22:04 | davidnind | #topic Introductions |
| 22:04 | #info David Nind, New Zealand | |
| 22:04 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 22:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 22:05 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo-Bibliotheksservice-Zentrum, France |
| 22:05 | dcook sent apologies, can't be here due to schedule conflict. | |
| 22:05 | cait | tuxayo: new place of work? :) |
| 22:06 | tcohen | <.< |
| 22:06 | tuxayo | cait: I got subsidiaries everywhere and of all the legal kinds ;) |
| 22:07 | davidnind | #topic Announcements |
| 22:07 | #chair tcohen | |
| 22:07 | huginn | Current chairs: cait davidnind tcohen tuxayo |
| 22:08 | davidnind | #info Swedish Koha network user meeting 28-30 March 2023 https://koha.se/koha-i-sverige[…]en-i-vastmanland/ |
| 22:08 | tcohen | tuxayo has a new job |
| 22:08 | tuxayo | XD |
| 22:09 | davidnind | tuxayo++ |
| 22:09 | tcohen | I need to leave soon, anyone else has announcements to make |
| 22:09 | tuxayo++ | |
| 22:09 | cait | not me |
| 22:09 | davidnind | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.11) |
| 22:09 | tcohen | Hi all :-D |
| 22:10 | davidnind | We'll get straight into it 8-) (I have to leave 10 minutes before the scheduled end time, and it is late for some) |
| 22:10 | tcohen | #info there are failing selenium tests in master. Please take a look and help fixing them. I've exhausted my bandwidth and I'm |
| 22:10 | #info behind my schedules with all the things :-D | |
| 22:11 | #info There's been a recent push of breaking changes in how we handle compiled assets | |
| 22:11 | #info it includes both the koha codebase, but also koha-misc4dev and ktd | |
| 22:11 | make sure you are up to date with ktd and the codebaes | |
| 22:12 | #info khall put together some cool stuff we published as koha-dpkg-docker | |
| 22:13 | #info mtj is looking and working towards integrating package building in the test pipeline | |
| 22:13 | that's all I had | |
| 22:13 | davidnind | #action There are failing Selenium tests in master, please take a look at fixing |
| 22:13 | thanks tcohen | |
| 22:14 | #info koha-dpkg-docker https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]/koha-dpkg-docker | |
| 22:15 | A lot of things happening, thanks everyone for making things happen! | |
| 22:15 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 22:15 | tcohen | :-D |
| 22:15 | davidnind++ | |
| 22:15 | davidnind | Not sure we have any Release Maintainers around, so moving on... |
| 22:15 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 22:16 | over to you cait | |
| 22:17 | cait | hm I'll cite the RM |
| 22:17 | #info  behind my schedules with all the things | |
| 22:17 | #info queues are full, we need to find the time to process and test | |
| 22:17 | Joubu communicated that there is a backlog for the ERM module that is kinda urgent | |
| 22:18 | but there is also a lot of bugfixes waiting for stable, including some bad bugs as always | |
| 22:18 | please make time to QA and sign off | |
| 22:18 | things are never hopeless, but it's 3 months to release... so we need to get up to speed a bit more | |
| 22:18 | #info queues are full, please all hands on deck - do QA! | |
| 22:19 | done | |
| 22:19 | davidnind | thanks cait! |
| 22:20 | #topic KohaCon 2024 - start bidding process | |
| 22:20 | Anyone here willing to do, or should I just ask on the mailing list for a volunteer? | |
| 22:20 | cait | tuxayo: you asked on the mailing list for a volunteer to manage the next steps, have you had any replies |
| 22:20 | ? | |
| 22:21 | tuxayo already did that, but there wer eno replies on the list | |
| 22:21 | tuxayo | nope! :o |
| 22:21 | I might have only asked on koha-devel! | |
| 22:21 | indeed :/ | |
| 22:21 | cait | i think you did only koha-devel - was just looking for the mail in the koha archive |
| 22:21 | so shoudl we give it anothre go? | |
| 22:22 | tuxayo | Yes, I'll send to Koha general |
| 22:22 | cait | and add to agenda in 2 weeks as well to make sure we have somene then? |
| 22:22 | tuxayo | And resent to koha-devel |
| 22:22 | davidnind | +1 |
| 22:24 | #action tuxayo to post request for volunteer to organise the call for bids for KohaCon 2024 | |
| 22:24 | thanks tuxayo | |
| 22:24 | #topic Status of roadmap projects | |
| 22:24 | cait | shoudl we jump over roadmap tonight? |
| 22:24 | #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/[…]p_for_Koha_v23.05 | |
| 22:25 | davidnind | Happy to so we can get through the actions from previous meetings.... |
| 22:25 | tuxayo | action done :P |
| 22:25 | davidnind | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 22:26 | cait | I didnt find a good spot for the note yet |
| 22:26 | i'll add it to my todo now so I'll remember to do it until next time | |
| 22:26 | davidnind | cait++ |
| 22:26 | #action cait add info about the 'important' tag to RMaint documentation | |
| 22:27 | tcohen? | |
| 22:27 | wahanui | tcohen is DO IT WITH THE REST API! |
| 22:27 | tuxayo | lol |
| 22:27 | davidnind | lol |
| 22:27 | tcohen | not much to add about the roadmap |
| 22:27 | tuxayo | API++ |
| 22:27 | tcohen | there's been a positive call betwen the RM and InLIbro to unlock some dev |
| 22:28 | cait | that's cool :) |
| 22:28 | davidnind | excellent |
| 22:28 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 22:28 | tuxayo | oh, nice |
| 22:28 | cait | tcohen++ inlibro++ |
| 22:28 | tuxayo | tcohen++ inlibro++ |
| 22:28 | tcohen | the bug tree is exciting for the 23.05 release |
| 22:28 | cait | tcohen To schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release). ? |
| 22:28 | tcohen | Theke has provided a lot of items/biblios/authorities endpoints for the next release |
| 22:28 | and InLibro had shared interests | |
| 22:29 | about CSRF, ashimema and I need to talk  about it and set a time and dat efor that | |
| 22:29 | hopefully before the hackfest so we can focus on other things in Marseille | |
| 22:29 | cait | tcohen To draft proposal for master→main change and draft of action list (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release). |
| 22:29 | davidnind | #action tcohen To schedule/call a "CSRF day" to work on related patches together |
| 22:31 | cait | any update on the main/master change? |
| 22:32 | I think oleonard's and joubu's need to get postponed for next time too | |
| 22:32 | ok? | |
| 22:32 | davidnind | #action tcohen To draft proposal for master→main change and draft of action list |
| 22:32 | tuxayo | #action oleonard ashimema Draft in the developer handbook how to form our modals. With template of a simple case and a case with form inside. Update: focus is currently on staff interface redesign changes, see the draft style guide: https://annuel.framapad.org/p/[…]-styleguide-draft (previously deferred until after the 22.11 release). |
| 22:32 | davidnind | beat me to it! |
| 22:32 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo postpone to next meeting "Joubu we need to vote on forgejo move at some point" |
| 22:33 | davidnind | Thanks! |
| 22:33 | tuxayo | yw :) |
| 22:33 | davidnind | #topic General development discussion |
| 22:33 | cait | anyone knows about the "security releases" agenda item? |
| 22:34 | davidnind | Anyone able to talk to the security releases item? |
| 22:34 | Otherwise, I will add to the next agenda | |
| 22:34 | tcohen | mtj had an idea |
| 22:34 | mtj: around? | |
| 22:34 | tuxayo | mtj said they were close to getting it working a few weeks ago |
| 22:35 | That's the only factor: having someone managing to do it, otherwise it's 100% needed. | |
| 22:35 | davidnind | Without knowing any details, I would say go for it if it helps minimise issues/improve things (and if the release manager is OK with it!) |
| 22:36 | tuxayo | That's always a stress and a technical hassle to get all RMaints to run locally the test suite |
| 22:37 | tcohen | I can explain |
| 22:37 | tuxayo | And last time it wasn't done and some branch had a major breakage |
| 22:37 | tcohen | the thing is, when we are about to make a security release |
| 22:37 | rmaints push to a secure (i.e hidden from public scruntiny) repository | |
| 22:38 | the problem mtj proposes to solve is that we really want to run the full test suite on those hidden branches | |
| 22:38 | but we cannot leak the commits until we announce the release (i.e. packages are built, announcement made, etc) | |
| 22:39 | we really need to build the same we have for the rest of the branches but on ly visible for some selected users (rmaints, QA team maybe) | |
| 22:39 | so we are sure the security release doesn't introduce regressions | |
| 22:39 | so, yeah | |
| 22:39 | we need to define where, how | |
| 22:40 | and we've got mtj volunteer | |
| 22:40 | cait | mtj++ |
| 22:40 | davidnind | mtj++ |
| 22:40 | tcohen | mtj++ |
| 22:40 | tuxayo | and who already explored the thing a long time ago, mtj++ |
| 22:41 | But I didn't got to know what were the last blockers. | |
| 22:41 | davidnind | #info mtj to add security builds to Jenkins so that the full test suite is run, to help avoid regressions and issues with security releases - to work through details with tcohen, Release Maintainers, and others interested |
| 22:41 | Is that an OK summary? | |
| 22:42 | tuxayo | from what I undestand of the topic, yes :) |
| 22:43 | davidnind | Thanks tcohen for the update and explanation! |
| 22:43 | Anyone on Perltidy, or shall we defer that one? I did see some discussion, but it is over my head.. | |
| 22:43 | cait | I added it, but maybe easier with some more peopl earound |
| 22:44 | we ask people to perltidy things, but have some conflicting information about which perltidy config to use | |
| 22:44 | tcohen | yeah, I think we need to come up with something to put on the guidelines |
| 22:44 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo postpone perltidy agenda item and mention bug 30002 for context |
| 22:44 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30002 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove unused xt/perltidyrc |
| 22:45 | davidnind | #info Perltidy - need to resolve conflicting information about what to do and put in guidelines |
| 22:46 | caroline around to talk to the terminology item, unless anyone else wants to comment? | |
| 22:46 | caroline | I'm here |
| 22:47 | tuxayo | hi! |
| 22:47 | caroline | I thought I remembered we changed the terminology for fines to 'Charge', but it seems I imagined it |
| 22:47 | cait | no you are right |
| 22:48 | we renamed in the OPAC too | |
| 22:48 | caroline | I talked about it here earlier this morning, and people who were around seemed to agree that 'fine' is a type of 'charge' |
| 22:48 | cait | I think fine is only used for 'punishing' things |
| 22:48 | charges is more neutral | |
| 22:48 | so charges cover fines and all other things | |
| 22:48 | like a hold fee | |
| 22:48 | caroline | This is an example where I would think it should be changed to charge (or fee) https://snipboard.io/jsbBt3.jpg |
| 22:48 | cait | fines and fees = charges ? davidnind? |
| 22:49 | caroline | a lot of libraries are moving away from fines too, so it would make sense to change the terminology |
| 22:49 | cait | i think it's not about renaming fines to charges |
| 22:49 | davidnind | yes, I agree - charges is the "higher" term, fines and fees are a subset of these |
| 22:50 | cait | but everywhere we have displays that are for both, use charges |
| 22:50 | caroline | yes this ^ |
| 22:50 | davidnind | +1 |
| 22:51 | caroline | it seems to be a consensus, to we need to vote? |
| 22:51 | cait | i think we can do without |
| 22:52 | but maybe someone to add it to terminology? | |
| 22:52 | caroline | you can action me, I'll do it tomorrow |
| 22:53 | davidnind | #action caroline Update/add terminology guidelines for usgage of charges and fees as discussed |
| 22:53 | Thanks everyone! | |
| 22:53 | caroline++ | |
| 22:53 | caroline | thanks davidnind!! |
| 22:53 | davidnind | cait++ |
| 22:53 | caroline | thanks davidnind++ (it's late) |
| 22:53 | tcohen | davidnind++ |
| 22:54 | davidnind | any other items before we close? |
| 22:54 | caroline | see you all tomorrow/later! |
| 22:54 | davidnind | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 22:54 | It's already set, so will just add... | |
| 22:55 | tuxayo | "09 March 2023, 15 UTC" |
| 22:55 | from the logs | |
| 22:55 | #info Next meeting: 09 March 2023, 15 UTC | |
| 22:55 | davidnind | thanks tuxayo! |
| 22:55 | tuxayo | so now for this time slot, in 4 weeks |
| 22:56 | davidnind | as we don't seem to have much attendance, shall we give it one last shot? |
| 22:56 | tuxayo | Same time? (dcook confirmed it worked for them (9am local)) |
| 22:56 | davidnind | OK with me |
| 22:57 | cait | it's late here - so I am biased :) |
| 22:57 | 11pm | |
| 22:57 | davidnind | cait++ for staying up so late to attend! |
| 22:57 | tcohen | 8pm here, but the kids are demanding :-D |
| 22:57 | tuxayo | "shall we give it one last shot" |
| 22:57 | Good question to continue with this time slot. yes, at least once. It's odd we don't have people from north america. Because the other timeslot it out of workhours for them. | |
| 22:58 | I'll retry to directly advertise the meeting to people at bywater. | |
| 22:58 | cait | I am owl... 6 am would be worse :) |
| 22:58 | davidnind | OK, will see how we go next time |
| 22:58 | Thanks tuxayo | |
| 22:58 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:58 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Feb 22 22:58:56 2023 UTC. Â Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:58 | Minutes:     https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-02-22-22.03.html | |
| 22:58 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-02-22-22.03.txt | |
| 22:58 | Log:       https://meetings.koha-communit[…]22-22.03.log.html | |
| 22:59 | tuxayo | davidnind++ |
| 22:59 | thanks for chairing. | |
| 22:59 | davidnind | Thanks everyone for attending and participating! |
| 22:59 | tuxayo | So the 22th of march for next next meeting? |
| 23:00 | It should be noted here so it's easy to find in two weeks. | |
| 23:01 | davidnind | sorry, I missed adding - seems fine to me with that date and this time |
| 23:01 | tuxayo | #info The meeting after this is scheduled for 22 March 2023, 22:00 UTC |
| 23:01 | davidnind | tuxayo++ |
| 23:05 | caroline++ for volunteering to do the KohaCon24 bidding | |
| 23:05 | cait | caroline++! |
| 23:05 | good night all! | |
| 23:06 | tuxayo | caroline++ |
| 23:06 | davidnind | night/evening/morning everyone! |
| 23:07 | tuxayo | see you all, have to cook now >_< |
| 23:09 | (there is a slight ambiguity that one or two people fell for me inventing factitious entities/workplaces for meetings  https://ilbot3.kohaaloha.com/k[…]3-02-22#i_2350209 , I could just be confused though) | |
| 23:16 | dcook | tuxayo: Would've been there but when I confirmed by email I forgot I already had a booking for that time |
| 23:17 | tuxayo | dcook: yes, I relayed your message at the beginning. |
| 23:17 | dcook | Thanks :) |
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