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| 00:05 | tcohen | show |
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| 00:13 | mtj | paulderscheid[m]: curious, whats the problem with node-sass? should we switch to something else? |
| 00:20 | oleonard-away | mtj: "For 2 years now, LibSass and node-sass has been deprecated. A lot of reasons led the core team to this decision. |
| 00:20 | Above all, no functionality added since 2018 and a lack of support for new CSS features like calc()." | |
| 00:20 | https://dev.to/ccreusat/migrat[…]ass-with-npm-3g3c | |
| 00:20 | I don't know if paulderscheid[m] has other reasons | |
| 00:22 | mtj | aah makes sense |
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| 07:29 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:57 | cait1 | new strings haven't dropped yet - waiting for the mess I created with my clean-up patches :) |
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| 08:06 | alex_ | Bonjour |
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| 08:27 | ashimema | morning #koha |
| 08:43 | magnuse_ | anyone got a password manager they can recommend? suitable for a small company? |
| 08:51 | paulderscheid[m] | My main reason is that node-sass has native bindings that break on aarch64. But it's also been deprecated for a couple of years, like oleonard already said. mtj |
| 08:53 | cait1 | paulderscheid[m]: is there a bug yet? |
| 08:55 | paulderscheid[m] | Nah, didn't get to it yet. |
| 08:57 | * paulderscheid[m] | sent a code block: https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]FqbMlQlCPYYxdxYup |
| 08:57 | paulderscheid[m] | * ```... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]tIQMEMxsLvlePCHpR>) |
| 09:02 | In what category should I put this cait1? I think Architecture, internals and plumbing makes the most sense | |
| 09:02 | Should we add a category for dependency problems? | |
| 09:08 | It has been filed. bug 32978 | |
| 09:08 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32978 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 'npm install' fails in ktd on aarch64, giving unsupported architecture error for node-sass |
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| 09:37 | cait1 | paulderscheid[m]: sounds about right and we can still change it |
| 09:37 | paulderscheid[m] | \o/ |
| 09:38 | ashimema | excellent paulderscheid |
| 09:38 | I've been hankering to get that done for a while | |
| 09:39 | paulderscheid[m] | Yeah, I bet your new colleagues are also struggling with their shiny new apple toys :D |
| 09:39 | ashimema | i've been meaning to report that bug for a while.. but with the hole build stuff all being a bit up in the air I'd been holding off |
| 09:39 | do you think you might be able to work on it? | |
| 09:40 | haha, indeed | |
| 09:40 | not sure he's noticed yet | |
| 09:40 | paulderscheid[m] | Yes, I think it sounds harder than it is. |
| 09:40 | Most certainly not today, but maybe next week for a first patch. | |
| 09:40 | ashimema | yeah... that was my feeling in the brief skim I did of a docs a couple of months back |
| 09:40 | excellent | |
| 09:40 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 09:40 | ashimema | hit me up for testing if you do get a chance to play 🙂 |
| 09:41 | or matt of course.. he'll be good for testing that in the mac capacity | |
| 09:41 | paulderscheid[m] | Alright, noted 👍 |
| 09:42 | ashimema | are oyu hackfesting this year? |
| 09:42 | my whole team are coming and I'm sure they'd love to meet you in person 😛 | |
| 09:43 | paulderscheid[m] | Yes |
| 09:43 | I'm also really looking forward to this. Will be a blast. | |
| 09:44 | Just sad that we can't just teleport the whole community to Marseille :D | |
| 09:44 | ashimema | totally |
| 09:44 | awesome | |
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| 11:14 | tcohen | hola #koha o/ |
| 11:31 | oleonard | o/ |
| 11:43 | cait | ?o |
| 11:43 | hm I am not getting this wave thing right | |
| 11:44 | oleonard: I was working on bug 32946 last night - I did a follow up fixing the other form and hope you approve | |
| 11:44 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32946 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , 'Send list/cart' forms in OPAC is misaligned |
| 11:44 | oleonard | Cool, thanks! |
| 11:55 | cait | :) |
| 11:55 | stared at the wrong form forever of course.. and wondered why the patch hadn't fixed it | |
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| 12:35 | marcelr | o/ |
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| 13:12 | oleonard | paulderscheid[m]: I attached a patch to Bug 32978. I hope you can give your feedback |
| 13:12 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32978 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , 'npm install' fails in ktd on aarch64, giving unsupported architecture error for node-sass |
| 13:26 | cait1 | :) |
| 13:26 | oleonard++ | |
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| 13:52 | ashimema | did we settle on a look for buttons in modals? |
| 13:52 | i.e is it 'btn-primary' then 'link' for cancel ? | |
| 13:52 | or two buttons | |
| 13:52 | and what order.. primary on left of further right | |
| 13:52 | oleonard | No ashimema that's still on my list too |
| 13:53 | ashimema | I see |
| 13:53 | okies | |
| 13:53 | really must get https://annuel.framapad.org/p/[…]-styleguide-draft worked on some time | |
| 13:53 | be so nice to have a proper style guide | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | I'm certainly open to suggestions, I don't have a particular plan. I do think we should ditch the text-link cancel in modals. |
| 13:53 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 13:54 | glad you approve of ditching those | |
| 13:54 | they bug me | |
| 13:54 | tcohen | PedroAmorim[m]: |
| 13:54 | around? | |
| 13:54 | PedroAmorim[m] | yes |
| 13:54 | tcohen | I didn't manage (ever) to make the Cypress tests pass |
| 13:55 | got a message from Joubu saying he run them as root | |
| 13:55 | and saw a comment from you on the same path | |
| 13:55 | and I've got a question | |
| 13:55 | the cypress.json file | |
| 13:55 | and the tests | |
| 13:55 | wahanui | the tests are in the t/ directories |
| 13:55 | tcohen | could be mounted an run on a cypress container? |
| 13:56 | PedroAmorim[m] | you mean have a separate docker container to run the cypress tests on? |
| 13:57 | I run them outside of docker so that cypress can open chrome and run on it (and be able to see the UI testing as it's happening) | |
| 13:57 | tcohen | ok |
| 13:58 | PedroAmorim[m] | to answer your question, I don't see why not although I have not run a cypress container before |
| 13:58 | tcohen | but we are thinking of running things in the CI infrastructure |
| 13:59 | I think the cypress.json file we have is wrong | |
| 13:59 | or useless | |
| 13:59 | we need a way to generate something that has the right baseurl | |
| 13:59 | and just run things on a separate container | |
| 13:59 | will give it a try | |
| 13:59 | so | |
| 13:59 | ktd --cypress up | |
| 14:00 | and a command to run things on the separate container | |
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| 14:00 | tcohen | the ktd base image doesn't need to ship cypress |
| 14:01 | PedroAmorim[m] | https://www.cypress.io/blog/20[…]e-docker-command/ seems to be a good resource and just the integration folder with the actual tests and cypress.json file seems to be enough |
| 14:01 | tcohen: yes that sounds great | |
| 14:01 | tcohen | exactly, we just need to 'mount' the cypress.json |
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| 14:14 | tcohen | PedroAmorim[m]: you can launch the browser from the docker container using the X protocol ;-) |
| 14:15 | MarkHofstetter1 | hi, sometimes we run into the issue that only records with items are indexed (ES) - is this a known problem, or our fault? Thx! |
| 14:19 | PedroAmorim[m] | tcohen: did not know that thanks! |
| 14:20 | tcohen | it is explained in the article you passed |
| 14:21 | (the command to extract the actual IP is for macOS) | |
| 14:22 | PedroAmorim[m] | I see it yeah pretty cool |
| 14:32 | tcohen | so |
| 14:32 | if you have the baseurl correctly set in cypress.json | |
| 14:33 | we could just run the container with a oneliner | |
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| 14:49 | PedroAmorim[m] | don't even need the baseUrl correctly set before hand, it seems we can just run the docker container with the "--config baseUrl" flag |
| 14:50 | tcohen | oh |
| 14:50 | that makes things even easier | |
| 14:50 | PedroAmorim[m] | it's also in the article, I've just been reading it in pieces instead of whole xD |
| 14:50 | but it sure looks like it's worth a whole read | |
| 14:50 | tcohen | I'm trying to find a way to trigger the tests on the cypress container, from the koha-testing one |
| 14:51 | we can run a command and have the tests run | |
| 14:51 | but we want to trigger them from within the koha container | |
| 14:51 | for selenium what we do is using a Perl driver | |
| 14:51 | that makes the external connection | |
| 14:57 | PedroAmorim[m] | I see, have not done anything of the sort before unfortunately |
| 14:57 | would be easier if the cypress test runner exposed an api that the koha container make use of but don't think that is the case | |
| 15:02 | tcohen | we'll see :-D |
| 15:08 | PedroAmorim[m] | all I'm seeing in regards of executing a command on a container from another container is netwrok HTTP request (standard way) or by mounting the docker socket into the launching container (not so standard or even recommendable way) |
| 15:09 | containers are designed to be isolated so are we maybe fighting something we shouldn't? I wonder if making our own custom cypress image that accepts HTTP requests and runs the command upon receiving a given request would work | |
| 15:09 | just brainstorming | |
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| 15:45 | cait1 | MarkHofstetter I haven't seen or heard of that behaviour, but we don't use Elasticsearch still |
| 15:46 | they don't get indexed at all? not searchable in OPAC and staff interface? | |
| 15:49 | paulderscheid[m] | oleonard: Just saw it. Engaging.. |
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| 16:05 | cait1 | Joubu: around? |
| 16:06 | paulderscheid[m] | oleonard: This patch works like a charm. Signing off. |
| 16:06 | oleonard | Excellent! |
| 16:06 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 16:06 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks so much! |
| 16:07 | MarkHofstetter1 | we are experiencing this from 21.05 to 22.11 on ES but not 100% reproducible |
| 16:07 | oleonard | The dashboard is ready to nuke us with needs-signoff bugs: https://snipboard.io/FN2G7a.jpg |
| 16:07 | cait1 | we got a sandbox issue with patches not getting applied, anyone an idea? |
| 16:08 | ashimema | blimey |
| 16:08 | cait1 | fatal: detected dubious ownership in repository at '/kohadevbox/koha' < on the sandboxes |
| 16:10 | I am not sure if I shoudl file that on ktd or sandboxes? | |
| 16:11 | Joubu | cait1: which ones? |
| 16:11 | cait1 | all? |
| 16:11 | wahanui | all is set |
| 16:11 | cait1 | bywater is still dead |
| 16:11 | biblibre is hte one i picked the error from | |
| 16:11 | when you start the sandbox with the bug, it just doesn't get applied | |
| 16:11 | Joubu | newly created sandbox? |
| 16:11 | MichaelaSieberBIB[m] | yes |
| 16:11 | cait1 | I then tried 'apply patch' and picked the error from there |
| 16:11 | MichaelaSieberBIB[m]: just tried all 3 :) | |
| 16:12 | Joubu | https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu/[…]n_log/invcurrency - that one? |
| 16:12 | there is another error there.. | |
| 16:13 | kidclamp | Can another QA person take a look here: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32878 |
| 16:13 | huginn | 04Bug 32878: minor, P5 - low, ---, stalkernoid, Signed Off , Make it impossible to renew the item if it has active item level hold |
| 16:14 | cait1 | hm i tried on the b32705 |
| 16:14 | but that was also created today | |
| 16:14 | kidclamp: maybe remind me tomorrow | |
| 16:14 | kidclamp | will try |
| 16:15 | MichaelaSieberBIB[m] | Joubu: exactly |
| 16:15 | cait1 | sorry, i had "tab confusion" but I think i tried it there, will not click anything while you have a look |
| 16:19 | Joubu | tcohen, ashimema: did we change something in ktd that would be related to the git-bz config? |
| 16:19 | ashimema | hmm |
| 16:19 | Joubu | or the config in general? |
| 16:19 | ashimema | I don't believe so |
| 16:19 | cait1 | hm we did |
| 16:19 | ashimema | the ptfs-e sandboxes don't have your git trusted dir change yet though.. I'm just checking that out now |
| 16:20 | cait1 | the bug tcohen asked me to comment on mentioend git-bz |
| 16:20 | ashimema | not sure why.. they should have pulled in the change |
| 16:20 | Joubu | ashimema: did you already see "NameError: global name 'host' is not defined" in the sandbox? |
| 16:20 | cait1 | udn was like 3 days ago |
| 16:20 | ashimema | nope |
| 16:20 | not seen that one | |
| 16:21 | Joubu | ha, we remove the git config for root... |
| 16:21 | awesome | |
| 16:21 | paulderscheid[m] | node-sass is no more. bug 32978 is ready to be QAd. |
| 16:21 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32978 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , 'npm install' fails in ktd on aarch64, giving unsupported architecture error for node-sass |
| 16:29 | ashimema | I reckon with all the recent ktd changes around permissions and the git repo and stuff.. we should probably be execturing our sandbox commands a little differently. |
| 16:30 | acting as the koha user | |
| 16:30 | paulderscheid[m] | I'm amazed how many cool improvements came down the pipe in such a short amount of time :D |
| 16:31 | Joubu | cait1, MichaelaSieberBIB[m]: fixed, see https://staff-x32705.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 16:31 | cait1 | paulderscheid[m]++ :) |
| 16:31 | paulderscheid[m] | oleonard++ |
| 16:32 | cait1 | usually people always complaim about how slow things are, but I think we just lose the outside view |
| 16:32 | ashimema | 😄 |
| 16:34 | cait1 | Joubu: not applied in git log |
| 16:35 | ashimema | wow.. |
| 16:35 | MichaelaSieberBIB[m] | and the relevant columns in aqorders are missing: https://staff-x32705.sandboxes[…]n%20this%20report |
| 16:35 | ashimema | that removes a whole bunch of dependencies listed in the yarn file |
| 16:36 | Joubu | I... just forgot to add the bugnumber in the correct input! |
| 16:36 | https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu/[…]vision_log/t32705 on its way, back in 2min! | |
| 16:37 | MichaelaSieberBIB[m] | 😆 |
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| 16:41 | Joubu | It is now saying I've tried to apply 32695. I am a bit tired but pretty sure I did not enter random numbers in the input this time! |
| 16:43 | cait1 | oook... that sounds like a deeper issue |
| 16:43 | can I do something to help? | |
| 16:44 | did you scroll maybe? there is an HTML numeric on the bug number field and it can behave a little strangely | |
| 16:45 | Joubu | ha, that might be it |
| 16:45 | I think it's working now | |
| 16:45 | but we reached the max number of sandboxes | |
| 16:45 | and the one I deleted is stucked in "pending deletion" | |
| 16:45 | ha, deleted! | |
| 16:48 | ashimema | oleonard still around.. |
| 16:48 | or paulderscheid | |
| 16:48 | paulderscheid[m] | Yes |
| 16:48 | ashimema | when running a yarn install with the dart-sass patch.. did you see warnings? |
| 16:48 | I see | |
| 16:48 | `warning " > bootstrap4.6.2" has unmet peer dependency "jquery1.9.1 - 3".` |
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| 16:48 | and | |
| 16:49 | `warning " > bootstrap4.6.2" has unmet peer dependency "popper.js@^1.16.1".` |
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| 16:49 | wondering if they might have side effects | |
| 16:49 | cait1 | Ill be around a little longer, but need to switch computers |
| 16:49 | brb | |
| 16:50 | paulderscheid[m] | Yeah, I saw them but when poking around staff and opac everything seemed fine. |
| 16:50 | Joubu | looks good now - https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu/git_log/xx32705 |
| 16:50 | cait1, MichaelaSieberBIB[m] ^ | |
| 16:51 | cait1 | looks good, thx Joubu! |
| 16:51 | Joubu++ | |
| 16:51 | MichaelaSieberBIB[m] | whoop whoop, THANKS |
| 16:51 | cait1 | @karma Joubu |
| 16:51 | huginn | cait1: Karma for "Joubu" has been increased 1168 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of 1166. |
| 16:51 | ashimema | what was the change Joubu? |
| 16:52 | cait1 | MichaelaSiberBIB++ |
| 16:52 | kidclamp | Joubu++ |
| 16:52 | @karma | |
| 16:52 | huginn | kidclamp: Highest karma: "Joubu" (1167), "cait" (977), and "ashimema" (800). Lowest karma: "-" (-78), "failed" (-53), and "ie" (-40). You (kidclamp) are ranked 6 out of 1228. |
| 16:52 | Joubu | ashimema: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]merge_requests/69 |
| 16:52 | cait1 | oh no |
| 16:53 | MichaelaSieberBIB++ | |
| 16:53 | time to go :) bbl! | |
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| 16:53 | ashimema | thanks |
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| 16:55 | oleonard | ashimema that warning isn't relevant, because we have our own copy of jQuery and Popper js |
| 16:56 | More things to move into our build process | |
| 16:56 | ashimema | coolios.. I thought that was probably the case |
| 16:56 | yeah.. be great to do that | |
| 17:01 | aude_c | hello |
| 17:01 | oleonard | Hi aude_c |
| 17:01 | caroline | ready for the meeting? |
| 17:01 | cait | hi aude_c and caroline |
| 17:01 | I am :) | |
| 17:01 | ashimema | ooh.. tere's a meeting |
| 17:01 | I might stick around a little longer then | |
| 17:01 | davidnind | Me too |
| 17:02 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 16 February 2023 |
| 17:02 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Feb 16 17:02:10 2023 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 17:02 | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_16_february_2023' | |
| 17:02 | caroline | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_16_February_2023 |
| 17:02 | #topic Introductions | |
| 17:02 | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes | |
| 17:02 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montreal, Qc | |
| 17:02 | davidnind | #info David Nind, New Zealand |
| 17:02 | aude_c | #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 17:03 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 17:03 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 17:03 | marie-luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro, Montreal, Canada |
| 17:04 | caroline | #topic Review of action points |
| 17:04 | caroline to branch the manual -> done! | |
| 17:05 | we now have a 22.11 and 23.05 (dev) manual | |
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| 17:05 | caroline | https://koha-community.org/man[…]n/html/index.html |
| 17:05 | https://koha-community.org/man[…]n/html/index.html | |
| 17:05 | and latest I think goes to 22.11 | |
| 17:06 | https://koha-community.org/man[…]n/html/index.html | |
| 17:06 | cait | i emailed bgkriegel for po files, haven't heard back yet |
| 17:06 | caroline | Big thanks to everyone who helped :) |
| 17:06 | I also emailed him for the form thing, but didn't hear back either | |
| 17:07 | davidnind to check the scripts and translations tweaks in prevision of a possible switch to markdown | |
| 17:07 | davidnind | still working on my action points, apologies for not getting them done |
| 17:07 | caroline | no prob! |
| 17:08 | caroline to plan a screenshot replacing session for hackfest -> done, details to hash out | |
| 17:08 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 17:08 | aude_c | ...to hash out a bit more now or later? :D |
| 17:09 | cait | someone eager to do screenshots, I like :) |
| 17:09 | caroline | #info on Wednesday March 29, whatever time you are in, we're going to "get together" in person and virtually to update the screenshots in the manual with the new design |
| 17:10 | The details I'm still thinking about are how to actually do it... I think we should just update the actual images, not the information in the images.rst file, otherwise, I will spend all day just rebasing everything | |
| 17:10 | what do you think? | |
| 17:10 | aude_c | I'll be in Marseille in person; Lucy is planning to join in virtually |
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| 17:10 | aude_c | I'm not sure I understand what you mean, sorry |
| 17:10 | caroline | jzairo and kellym also said they'd participate virtually |
| 17:11 | aude_c | nice |
| 17:11 | davidnind | that sounds great! |
| 17:11 | cait | I think there are some more people interested to help out in Marseille |
| 17:11 | could be a nice group | |
| 17:11 | marie-luce | nice |
| 17:11 | aude_c | :) |
| 17:12 | ashimema | excellent |
| 17:12 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 17:12 | caroline | So when we make parallel changes to a same file, there can be clashes between the changes, that's why I was proposing we only update the actual images and not the images.rst file |
| 17:12 | * ashimema | still thinks medium term we should move away from images.rst |
| 17:12 | cait | i think we shoudl automate this |
| 17:12 | but not sure we can't this time | |
| 17:13 | ... can | |
| 17:13 | caroline | ashimema, I'm now a bit colder to the idea since the images between bundles and erm were mixed up |
| 17:13 | ashimema | it seems rather maddening to do it that way |
| 17:13 | marie-luce | Is there a way to generate a new images.rst file after all images modifications? |
| 17:13 | ashimema | I don't understand how they got mixed up honestly. |
| 17:13 | caroline | ashimema, me either... |
| 17:13 | cait | you don't need to chang eit if you just replace the image file with the ame name |
| 17:14 | aude_c | caroline: does that mean we have to upload the new images with the same file name the old ones have, so we don't have to update the images.rst file?? |
| 17:14 | ashimema | correct cait |
| 17:14 | caroline | marie-luce, not really because the changes to the images.rst file are mostly to add alt text |
| 17:14 | ashimema | so in this case just changing the images themselves would work and not require rebasing |
| 17:14 | caroline | aude_c, yes exactly |
| 17:14 | cait | I think that's what caroline is suggesting, replace the images, don't change file names/references |
| 17:14 | aude_c | got it, thanks |
| 17:14 | marie-luce | make sense |
| 17:15 | caroline | Is that ok with everyone? I really like adding alt text when updating images, but I don't hink in this case it's feasible |
| 17:15 | aude_c | I was going to say: it does sound like a bit of a shame we're missing out on adding alt text at the same time |
| 17:15 | but if there's no other way it can just be a job for another time! | |
| 17:16 | caroline | cait, I did ask if someone would help us automate images at the hackfest, but didn't hear back from anyone... if you can lobby about it while there, it would be great :) |
| 17:16 | cait | I can try |
| 17:16 | sadly no idea on how to do this myself, but it would be so nice to have | |
| 17:16 | davidnind | sorry, I haven't done much work recently on automating screenshots - maybe at the hackfest we could get some traction - I have started https://codeberg.org/davidnind[…]mated-screenshots |
| 17:17 | caroline | aude_c, yeah, I think it's a shame too, but I'm just anticipating the amount of clashes it would create and I'm not super good with git rebases |
| 17:17 | davidnind | Just need to add some instructions |
| 17:17 | Maybe for the alt text have a shared doc, using googe docs or framapad, then it can be done as one commit after | |
| 17:18 | cait | that sounds like a good idea |
| 17:18 | aude_c | yes, i was also thinking we'd need something shared |
| 17:18 | caroline | that is going to be another big task davidnind right? we have to manually create the situations (like click here, enter X, click there, etc)? |
| 17:18 | aude_c | not if we just have the whole page? |
| 17:18 | caroline | davidnind, I like the framapad idea |
| 17:19 | We could copy the images.rst file into frama and edit it as a group and then copy the result back in images.rst and commit that | |
| 17:19 | cait | +1 |
| 17:19 | caroline | I like it... I'm going to add it to my notes |
| 17:19 | aude_c | yes, i like that |
| 17:19 | davidnind | +1 |
| 17:20 | for automated screenshots it would be a big task, particularly setting up the content required - I've mastered some basic scenarios, but am a little out of my depth with cypress.io | |
| 17:20 | ashimema | what editors are people using/encouraging? |
| 17:21 | we've recently been using LiveShare in VSCode at PTFS-E... | |
| 17:21 | aude_c | while we're talking about screenshots; what do we do about the old screenshots? Can we delete the files? How do we make sure they're not used in several locations (and therefore shouldn't yet be deleted)? |
| 17:21 | ashimema | it allows live editing of the same file by multiple participants in an editing session.. that might work for a hackfest scenario |
| 17:21 | caroline | if they are used in many places, when we update, they should be updated everywhere |
| 17:21 | cait | if they are used in several locations, should they not be replaced in all of them? |
| 17:22 | davidnind | ashimema: I'm using VS Codium (basically VS Code without the Microsoft Tracking) |
| 17:22 | * ashimema | too |
| 17:22 | cait | i tihnk we'd not start with an empty images directory |
| 17:22 | caroline | I have seen some instances where one image has different aliases, which I don't understand at all, but I think it should still work |
| 17:22 | cait | but replace as we go and maybe if we do the framapad we could also mark the ones done or the ones people are working on there |
| 17:22 | ashimema | I think when i last looked 99%+ of our images are unique.. we hardly ever share |
| 17:23 | aude_c | caroline, cait: maybe I'm just not understanding how it's supposed to work. |
| 17:23 | marie-luce | I've found an old wiki page the other day about ideas on how to automated screenshot. https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ted_Screencapture |
| 17:23 | caroline | I try to reuse some when it just shows like a row of buttons, I use the same image in all the places where those buttons are refered |
| 17:23 | aude_c | but you still use the same alias for that image? |
| 17:24 | caroline | aude_c, yes, I use the same alias everywhere |
| 17:24 | But like I said, at the beginning I think they were a bit zealous with aliases and used a different one for every place the same image was used | |
| 17:24 | aude_c | so to be thorough before deleting an old image, I'd need to search for its alias in every page |
| 17:25 | caroline | Hopefully, we'll phase those out |
| 17:25 | davidnind | bug 29716 |
| 17:25 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29716 enhancement, P4, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Automated screenshots using Cypress.io testing framework |
| 17:25 | caroline | aude_c, only if you change the alias |
| 17:25 | if you change lets say "image666" to "patronfile", then yes you need to change image666 in every file if it's used mor than once | |
| 17:26 | aude_c | ok |
| 17:26 | caroline | I also check if images/patrons/patronfile.png is there more than once in images.rst with different aliases just in case |
| 17:27 | aude_c | and then it's safe to delete the file |
| 17:27 | thanks | |
| 17:27 | caroline | exactly! |
| 17:27 | but if you don't change the filename, you just sub it in the same directory and it's fine | |
| 17:29 | Ok so recap, we'll copy images.rst into a frama, change the aliases (? do we change the aliases?) and alt text in there, and sub the old image for the new ones, you can commit for each image or a group of images, and I'll commit the images.rst at the end | |
| 17:29 | Maybe I could create a frama for assigning chapters too? so we don't step all over each other? | |
| 17:29 | aude_c | that would be good |
| 17:31 | davidnind | we may need to turn off the automated manual build, or run it each hour |
| 17:31 | caroline | I'll probably do some the day before since y'all are gonna start in the middle of the night for me |
| 17:33 | #info for hackfest screenshot update extravaganza, update screenshots in git, commit for each image or a group of images, DO NOT change images.rst in git, there will be a frama for that purpose | |
| 17:33 | #info there will be a frama to assign chapters | |
| 17:33 | aude_c | we could be inducting new people to the joys of Docs and screenshots in the morning (French time) |
| 17:34 | caroline | #info remember to turn off auto build |
| 17:34 | marie-luce | I'll be keen to learn! |
| 17:34 | aude_c | should we set up a video call to have a chat too? |
| 17:34 | davidnind | maybe also have a jitsi meeting session running (https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationTeam) for those participating virtually (or Zoom or whatever) |
| 17:35 | caroline | I'm ok with jitsi |
| 17:35 | does that link work already? | |
| 17:35 | aude_c | +1 |
| 17:35 | it should | |
| 17:35 | davidnind | it should - you can basically make it naything |
| 17:35 | caroline | #info have a jitsi meeting session running (https://meet.jit.si/KohaDocumentationTeam) for those participating virtually |
| 17:36 | alright, any other concerns or ideas regarding screenshot update? I didn't follow the automation convo, do I need to action or info anything? | |
| 17:38 | davidnind | probably not, if anyone is interested I'm happy to chat |
| 17:38 | feel free to comment on bug 29716 | |
| 17:38 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29716 enhancement, P4, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Automated screenshots using Cypress.io testing framework |
| 17:39 | caroline | davidnind++ |
| 17:39 | marie-luce | davidind++ |
| 17:39 | caroline | moving on to other action points... |
| 17:39 | cait or ashimema to check if we can change 'manual' keywords to 'Nedds documenting' status in bugzilla in batch | |
| 17:40 | was thing feasible? | |
| 17:40 | *this | |
| 17:40 | ashimema | Oh, I hadn't realised I'd been volunteered for that |
| 17:41 | I imagine it's not too terribly difficult to do... But would need rangi.. I don't have the server access | |
| 17:41 | I've not looked at the database closely enough to really judge | |
| 17:41 | I like the idea though | |
| 17:41 | caroline | I think we had some reticence on the result, but I don't remember what they were |
| 17:43 | ashimema | ? |
| 17:43 | caroline | cait had said I think we can do bulk actions, but not sure if it might create a mess the Manual keyword is still kinda nice if you can't change the status yet, but already know it will affect manual |
| 17:44 | https://meetings.koha-communit[…]19-15.02.log.html (around 15:40) | |
| 17:45 | I had added if not possible to change bz in batch we change them as we get to them | |
| 17:45 | so it was really just checking if it was possible | |
| 17:45 | last action point caroline to send an email to the mailing list about possibly closing it down --> done, no one answered | |
| 17:45 | So I guess we can closed it? | |
| 17:46 | cait can you do it? | |
| 17:46 | davidnind | +1 |
| 17:47 | caroline | #action cait to close the Docs mailing list |
| 17:47 | delegating++ XD | |
| 17:47 | ashimema | I could try to catch the keyword and docs part of bugzilla instead |
| 17:48 | I've been meaning to, for the dashboard, just haven't found a moment | |
| 17:48 | caroline | I want to skip a couple of empty topics and go directly to content development guidelines to talk about sysprefs |
| 17:48 | ok more delegating... | |
| 17:48 | davidnind | #info Manual reorganisation update and preview - still a work in progress but gives the general idea https://davidnind.gitlab.io/koha-docs-reorganise/ Comments welcome on bug 32391 |
| 17:48 | caroline | #action ashimema to check for the manual keyword vs Needs documenting status |
| 17:48 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32391 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Reorganise the manual contents |
| 17:49 | caroline | #topic Content development guidelines |
| 17:49 | we talked about bug 29063 before | |
| 17:49 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences |
| 17:50 | caroline | I tried some things |
| 17:50 | https://snipboard.io/jOqF7W.jpg | |
| 17:50 | What do you think? | |
| 17:51 | I had a bit of trouble with more complex sysprefs https://snipboard.io/FytHOM.jpg | |
| 17:51 | https://snipboard.io/2ZxHrt.jpg | |
| 17:52 | ashimema | Dinner time here I'm afraid so I'm clocking out, apologies |
| 17:52 | caroline | bon appétit! |
| 17:53 | it's almost the end of the hour, but please let me know if this could be a viable option for describing sysprefs | |
| 17:53 | davidnind | I've some ideas and will post on the bug |
| 17:53 | aude_c | i don't think i know enough to comment on this |
| 17:53 | caroline | I also tried something different for many sysprefs in the same block/sentence https://snipboard.io/kwxULT.jpg |
| 17:53 | davidnind | Does this help with the translation issues (I assume it does) |
| 17:54 | caroline | davidnind, I think so since the options are not separate from the sentence |
| 17:54 | davidnind | great! |
| 17:55 | caroline | the other options we found needed developer help, but this is something we can do to alleviate the problem |
| 17:56 | cait | sorry had a call |
| 17:57 | the Default is probably an issue | |
| 17:57 | on the last screenshot | |
| 17:57 | if the Default is Enable | |
| 17:57 | caroline | cait the last screenshot, is something different |
| 17:58 | cait | hm trying to catch up :) |
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| 17:58 | cait | I see what you mean about the complex one... that one is insance |
| 18:00 | caroline | it's pretty insane already tbh https://koha-community.org/man[…]ldsignorestatuses |
| 18:01 | but it's a good (if extreme) example of what we have to deal with | |
| 18:01 | cait | yeah |
| 18:01 | i wish we had some way to do context :( | |
| 18:02 | davidnind | A while ago I mapped out some of the elements for system preferences that you would want to know (name, system preference text (asks), options, description, warnings, important notes, history (when added, changed, etc), etc) - just need to decide how to present these and then make them work for translation 8-) (will add comments to the bug) |
| 18:02 | caroline | Maybe if we separate it a bit like I did in the last screenshot (https://snipboard.io/kwxULT.jpg), it could help |
| 18:03 | thx davidnind! please do! | |
| 18:03 | cait | hm the Default line is an issue there |
| 18:03 | and not sure how we'd do that for something with a lot of options? | |
| 18:04 | caroline | yes I know, this last one is only for the separation of several sysprefs in the same sentence, not for the options |
| 18:05 | sorry, I'm confusing things by talking about two things at the same time because they are both about describing sysprefs | |
| 18:05 | cait | oh |
| 18:05 | caroline | we can talk about it next meeting? |
| 18:05 | cait | maybe better |
| 18:06 | hard to focus right now | |
| 18:06 | caroline | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 18:06 | would march 16 work? | |
| 18:06 | aude_c | yes for me |
| 18:07 | cait | should be ok |
| 18:07 | davidnind | +1 |
| 18:07 | marie-luce | +1 |
| 18:08 | caroline | 16UTC is noon Eastern, 5am in NZ and 5pm in central europe |
| 18:09 | #info Next meeting: 16 March, 2023, 16 UTC | |
| 18:09 | #endmeeting | |
| 18:09 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Feb 16 18:09:21 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:09 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-02-16-17.02.html | |
| 18:09 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-02-16-17.02.txt | |
| 18:09 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]16-17.02.log.html | |
| 18:09 | davidnind | caroline++ |
| 18:09 | caroline | see you soon! thanks everyone! |
| 18:09 | cait | caroline++ |
| 18:09 | aude_c | see you next time! |
| 18:10 | davidnind | I'll run the meeting script later today, now that it is working again |
| 18:12 | marie-luce | caroline++ |
| 18:13 | ashimema | Did you talk about moving meetings into vid calls? |
| 18:14 | * ashimema | goes back to dinner |
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| 18:23 | oleonard | I wonder if there's a good reason why we have opac-tmpl/lib and opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib... |
| 18:26 | davidnind | ashimema: we didn't |
| 18:34 | ashimema | I imagine it's just historic oleonard |
| 18:34 | I've wondered similar | |
| 18:34 | Translations perhaps.. a long time ago | |
| 18:35 | cait | i think that's right |
| 18:35 | one gets copied, the other doesnÄt | |
| 18:37 | oleonard | I'll see if I can break some things... |
| 19:13 | davidnind | caroline: agenda for next meeting created and calendar update |
| 19:13 | caroline | cool! thanks davidnind!! |
| 19:58 | davidnind | @later tell magnuse I use Bitwarden personally, not sure how it would work for a business (there are business plans and pricing) |
| 19:58 | huginn | davidnind: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:59 | caroline | We have bitwarden self hosted, I think it's free when it's self hosted? |
| 19:59 | It works great! | |
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