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| 06:54 | alex_ | Bonjour |
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| 07:36 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:36 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
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| 08:28 | magnuse__ | foolin' around with plugins a bit. i copied "sub intranet_catalog_biblio_enhancements_toolbar_button" and "sub intranet_catalog_biblio_tab" from the kitchen sink plugin. the first one works, but not the second one. anything i could be doing wrong? current master in ktd, no errors in logs or console |
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| 08:50 | marcelr | o/ |
| 09:03 | perplexedtheta | Morning |
| 09:03 | wahanui | Morning is, like, always someone's afternoon |
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| 09:03 | ashimema | Morning |
| 09:04 | perplexedtheta | mtj: fixed the Docker_8 node. A daemon was running on port 8080, hogging the listen address away from docker. Builds should succeed on that system again now. |
| 09:08 | ashimema | I added it back to the pool 🙂 |
| 09:13 | perplexedtheta | Ta ashimema |
| 09:19 | * cait | waves |
| 09:20 | cait | magnuse: maybe it changed with bootstrap tabs? |
| 09:20 | coudl be a version thing | |
| 09:22 | magnuse | cait: nah, i needed to "use Koha::Plugins::Tab;" to make it work. added that info to the hooks wiki page. |
| 09:23 | cait | makes sense :) thx for the upated documentation |
| 09:37 | ashimema | cait around still? |
| 09:37 | translations question.. | |
| 09:49 | cait | yes, am here |
| 11:17 | oleonard | o/ |
| 11:44 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
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| 12:34 | marcelr | o/ |
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| 14:08 | domm[m] | are there any assessment regarding the accessibility (WAI) of (current) Koha (Intranet and OPAC)? |
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| 14:20 | cait | libraries have had tests done, but there is no official statement for Koha or so... we try to be good about accessibility as community, but sadly have no accessibility advocate role filled this cycle |
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| 15:00 | caroline | everyone ready for docs meeting? |
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| 15:02 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 2023-01-19 |
| 15:02 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Jan 19 15:02:23 2023 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:02 | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_2023_01_19' | |
| 15:02 | marie-luce | Hi all |
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| 15:02 | caroline | #topic Introductions |
| 15:02 | aude_c | hello |
| 15:02 | caroline | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
| 15:03 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro, Montreal, Qc | |
| 15:03 | aude_c | #info Aude Charillon, PTFS Europe, England |
| 15:03 | marie-luce | #info Marie-Luce, inlibro, Montreal, QC |
| 15:04 | emlam | #info Emily Lamancusa, MCPL, Maryland, US |
| 15:06 | caroline | I'll ping the other usual suspects... cait ashimema davidnind |
| 15:08 | Ok, we'll move on | |
| 15:08 | #topic Review of action points | |
| 15:08 | I needed to branch the manual in january... I forgot :( , so I will do this right after the meeting | |
| 15:09 | #action caroline to branch the manual | |
| 15:09 | davidnind was to check the scripts and translations tweaks in prevision of a possible switch to markdown. He wrote in the agenda that it was still in progress, so I will mark it as an action for next meeting | |
| 15:09 | aude_c | ok |
| 15:09 | caroline | #action davidnind to check the scripts and translations tweaks in prevision of a possible switch to markdown |
| 15:10 | cait | oh no, I am late! |
| 15:10 | caroline | davidnind was to work on reorganizing the manual and adding a landing page - also still in progress |
| 15:10 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 15:10 | caroline | #action davidnind to work on reorganizing the manual and adding a landing page |
| 15:10 | anything else? | |
| 15:10 | aude_c | Not on review of action points |
| 15:10 | cait | could you (re)post the agenda maybe? |
| 15:11 | caroline | omg, sorry I always forget... |
| 15:11 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eeting_2023-01-19 | |
| 15:11 | aude_c | I don't know if it fits under project updates / what's been done so far, but I revamped the Editing the Koha manual wiki page |
| 15:11 | to (hopefully) clarify how to use the new Needs documenting status on Bugzilla | |
| 15:11 | caroline | ooh nice! |
| 15:12 | aude_c | please do have a look and make any corrections! |
| 15:12 | caroline | #info aude_c has revamped the Editing the manual wiki page |
| 15:12 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual | |
| 15:12 | aude_c | it's this one https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_the_Koha_Manual |
| 15:12 | haha, you were quicker! | |
| 15:12 | caroline | I have it in my bookmarks :) |
| 15:14 | I am always referring to this page, actually to this one https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]-_Tips_and_Tricks for the heading marks | |
| 15:15 | aude_c | ooh I've never had to do that so far |
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| 15:15 | aude_c | might bookmark that one too :D |
| 15:15 | caroline | I think the wiki page is clear, is it the Workflow and special cases parts that you changed? |
| 15:16 | aude_c | Yes, the whole part 2 and a bit of parts 1 and 7 |
| 15:17 | ashimema had to make some changes at my request; so you can now create a new bug with the "Needs documenting" status | |
| 15:17 | and also re-open a bug to give it that status (for those resolved / closed before we introduced it) | |
| 15:18 | caroline | Nice! I love the 1. Do this, 2. Do that format in part 7... it's so clear and foolproof |
| 15:18 | cait | aude_c++ |
| 15:18 | aude_c | phew, good! |
| 15:18 | marie-luce | aude_c++ |
| 15:18 | caroline | aude_c++ |
| 15:20 | #topic Project updates | |
| 15:20 | aude_c | I know last time we said we should focus on newer bugs - so with the new status, but |
| 15:21 | I have found myself looking at some features from 22.05 because people were asking about them | |
| 15:21 | caroline | makes sense! |
| 15:22 | aude_c | and it made me wonder: at some point, will we need to move the bugs with keyword manual to use the Needs doc status, to make them easier to find through the dashboard? |
| 15:22 | obviously no rush; just wondering | |
| 15:22 | caroline | Good idea |
| 15:22 | aude_c | and on a similar note: when are we talking about replacing screenshots to show the new UI? |
| 15:22 | big questions, I know :D | |
| 15:22 | caroline | do you think it's something that can be done in batch (changing keyword to status)? |
| 15:23 | aude_c | now that is a good question! |
| 15:23 | caroline | cait or ashimema would know I bet |
| 15:23 | aude_c | would anyone here know? (otherwise I can check with ashimema later) |
| 15:24 | caroline | For the screenshots, I have been doing them manually as I review sections, but I know davidnind was working on automatic screenshots before |
| 15:25 | I think he said last meeting that he would restart the project since the interface design changed drastically | |
| 15:26 | aude_c | Ok. I was wondering whether we should look at it more systematically, like picking some sections each. (and also whether we'd want to do that at a hackfest or kohacon, but that's a questions I was also going to ask at the end!) |
| 15:26 | caroline | Personally, I think we can do them bit by bit, we still have pretty old screenshots in the manual, but they still show what they need to (and only to people who have no visual impairment) |
| 15:26 | aude_c | yes, that works |
| 15:27 | caroline | When I work on documenting a new feature, I review the whole section, and update the screenshots as I go (with the new nomenclature and alt text) |
| 15:27 | It's longer, but it apeases my perfectionist side | |
| 15:28 | aude_c | oh, I should start doing that. Thanks, I'll try and give it a go |
| 15:28 | caroline | hackfest/kohacon would be a good time to work together on them |
| 15:29 | When we pool resources and work together, it's much faster, as proven by our change of sysprefs labels throughout the manual over a 2 day period! | |
| 15:29 | aude_c | yes, and it's nicer too :) |
| 15:29 | caroline | (or 1 day? it was pretty fast) |
| 15:30 | what should we call this screenshot squashing event? | |
| 15:30 | Screenshot taking extravangaza XD | |
| 15:31 | aude_c | U&I screenshots :D |
| 15:31 | marie-luce | I'll be happy to joint the group. |
| 15:31 | aude_c | is anyone in the documentation team planning or hoping to attend KohaCon23 or Hackfest Marseille? |
| 15:33 | cait | hackfest in Marseille :) |
| 15:33 | caroline | I have never been to hackfest... I'd have to work on my boss to let me go (I'd rather go to Kohacon if I have to choose) |
| 15:33 | cait | sorry, I got pulled away for a few minutes - I'll try to catch up |
| 15:36 | caroline | #action caroline to plan a screenshot replacing session for hackfest |
| 15:36 | aude_c | thanks, I'll see if I can make it :) |
| 15:36 | caroline | It's in march right? end of march |
| 15:36 | I'll try to be there virtually even if I can't go eat all the cheese and drink all the wine in person | |
| 15:37 | aude_c | haha! Yes last week in March |
| 15:39 | caroline | #action cait or ashimema to check if we can change 'manual' keywords to 'Nedds documenting' status in bugzilla in batch |
| 15:39 | ok did I forget to #info or #action something? | |
| 15:40 | cait | I think we can do bulk actions, but not sure if it might create a mess |
| 15:40 | the Manual keyword is still kinda nice if you can't change the status yet, but already know it will affect manual | |
| 15:40 | like old bugs that are already closed | |
| 15:41 | caroline | apparently, now we can reopen bugs and give them the new Needs documenting status |
| 15:42 | I admit the batch would only need to be done on closed bugs | |
| 15:42 | if it's not possible, we can go through manually when we find them | |
| 15:42 | aude_c | there'll come a point when there won't be that many left (right?! haha) |
| 15:43 | caroline | ha ha ha (nervous laugh) |
| 15:43 | aude_c | XD |
| 15:45 | caroline | #info if not possible to change bz in batch we change tham as we get to them |
| 15:46 | #topic What's been done so far | |
| 15:47 | There's nothing in the agenda about this, but I finally finished (I hope) transferring cataloging tools to the cataloging chapter to reflect the new cataloging landing page | |
| 15:48 | I also reworked the chapter slightly to go at it by "action" rather than from top to bottom following the landing page | |
| 15:48 | e.g. rather than creating an "automation" section, I put the two tools under item editing, which is what they do | |
| 15:49 | aude_c | sounds good |
| 15:49 | caroline | I also put the batch editing / deleting in the record editing or record deletion or item editing or item deletion sections |
| 15:50 | I think people who are looking at "how to edit an item" will be thankful to find how to do it in batch and how to do it automatically in the same section | |
| 15:50 | e.g. https://koha-community.org/man[…]tml#editing-items | |
| 15:51 | marie-luce | Good idea |
| 15:51 | caroline | (also when I was talking about old screenshots, we can see one there, the first one) |
| 15:51 | (it still show what it needs to show imo) | |
| 15:54 | anyone else want to share something? | |
| 15:55 | aude_c | did cait have on the agenda to talk about translation? |
| 15:56 | caroline | yes in the next topic |
| 15:56 | #topic Content development guidelines | |
| 15:56 | #topic subtopic translations | |
| 15:59 | cait | oh sorry |
| 15:59 | let me quickly check | |
| 16:00 | hm I feel like we discussed the bug last time already, but didn't have any idea on how to resolve | |
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| 16:00 | cait | and sadly this hasn't really changed |
| 16:00 | it still blocks me from doing the sys pref translations correctly | |
| 16:01 | caroline | we need to branstorm how to write about the system preferences |
| 16:01 | cait | yeah |
| 16:01 | caroline | currently the format is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]references_Format |
| 16:01 | cait | my problem is the value list |
| 16:02 | if the value is Allow | |
| 16:02 | don't allow | |
| 16:02 | for example, these have been translated differently in german | |
| 16:02 | but I only get one translation in the po | |
| 16:02 | for all occurrences | |
| 16:03 | caroline | I think the two options were 1) change how we document sysprefs or 2) somehow add context like in koha |
| 16:03 | cait | yeah |
| 16:03 | context would be great | |
| 16:03 | caroline | maybe we can open a bz about it? |
| 16:04 | cait | there is a bug linked already |
| 16:04 | bug 29063 | |
| 16:04 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, david, ASSIGNED , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences |
| 16:05 | caroline | oh yes, I already wrote the options lol! I had forgotten |
| 16:05 | we need a developper for 2 out of 3 options | |
| 16:05 | cait | yes |
| 16:05 | or maybe someone who knos more tricks about rst? | |
| 16:07 | maybe we need to postpone that one again | |
| 16:07 | for the po updates... we probably need bgkriegel? or do you have a working form to request the po files for merging caroline? | |
| 16:08 | ideally we shoud merge the current status of translations for all the manuals stil on the website | |
| 16:08 | because it hasn't been done for so long | |
| 16:08 | caroline | oh... I probably had them once, I'd have to check in my old emails |
| 16:09 | cait | and there is a new bug actually we shoudl look into |
| 16:09 | caroline | #caroline to check for translation request form |
| 16:09 | cait | some new chapter shows ERM pictures |
| 16:09 | it hink curbside | |
| 16:10 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:10 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 16:10 | cait | it was filed and now I can't seem to find it |
| 16:10 | caroline | The form I had was this, but it only goes up to 20.11 https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ |
| 16:11 | cait | bug 32621 |
| 16:11 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32621 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Circulation bundles documentation has wrong pictures |
| 16:11 | cait | I think maybe overlapping numbers |
| 16:12 | caroline: and the pull down is missing the new versions hm | |
| 16:12 | caroline | aude_c, is this one of the ones made with the google docs thing ashimema set up? |
| 16:12 | aude_c | the ERM chapter, yes |
| 16:12 | caroline | not the bundles? |
| 16:13 | cait can you assign that buig to me, I'll check what the problem is | |
| 16:13 | aude_c | not sure about that one, but maybe |
| 16:13 | want me to check with him? | |
| 16:13 | cait | done |
| 16:14 | https://koha-community.org/man[…]rculating-bundles | |
| 16:14 | caroline | I found the commit https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]68d047dbb72c024a0 |
| 16:14 | cait | and the last one was me too: the koha-docs list is not used (never really has been I think) |
| 16:14 | and we get spam there | |
| 16:15 | I was wondering if we shuld close it | |
| 16:15 | aude_c | is it a problem with image names? (in the bundles chapter) |
| 16:15 | caroline | not sure how the images can be mixed unless there is a problem with the actual images, not the link |
| 16:15 | cait | i think they are using image-numbers |
| 16:15 | so maybe bundles and erm written at the same time using the same numbers | |
| 16:15 | caroline | anyway, I'll check I have a bit of time rn |
| 16:15 | aude_c | I find the koha-docs list most useful to get reminders of docs meeting! haha |
| 16:16 | caroline | yeah but the path is images/bundles |
| 16:16 | cait | ok, then something else must have gone wrong |
| 16:16 | the thing is, maybe we do want to send that to koha main too? | |
| 16:16 | koha-docs is well hidden... we do want others to know they can join us | |
| 16:16 | aude_c | true |
| 16:16 | caroline | #topic subtopic mailing list |
| 16:16 | aude_c | that would give it more visibility |
| 16:18 | caroline | I don't have an opinion on this |
| 16:18 | Is the fact that it's underused causing a problem on a server somewhere, like we could liberate resources if we closed it? | |
| 16:18 | if not I'd keep it | |
| 16:19 | cait | the only messages I ever get from it are to moderate spam |
| 16:19 | so... that's my issue :) | |
| 16:19 | but I just wanted to bring it up | |
| 16:20 | i am ok if the decision is to keep it | |
| 16:20 | i am not srue why I am moderator on that list, maybe i need to fix that | |
| 16:21 | that's all from me | |
| 16:21 | shoudl we request bgkriegel to update the merge form? (maybe a last hting...) | |
| 16:22 | caroline | ok, we can close it. It's not like we discuss things much outside of the meeting |
| 16:22 | and when we do, it's here or in individual emails | |
| 16:22 | we could maybe send an email saying we're thinking of closing it and if anyone objects, speak now or forever hold their peace? | |
| 16:24 | #action caroline to send an email to bernardo about the translation form | |
| 16:26 | does someone want to volunteer to send an email to the list to say that we're thinking of closing it down? | |
| 16:28 | I'll action someone randomly if there is no volunteer ;) | |
| 16:29 | * cait | hides behind a wall of support tickets |
| 16:29 | caroline | but it was your idea! |
| 16:29 | fine I'll do it... | |
| 16:30 | #action caroline to send an email to the mailing list about possibly closing it down | |
| 16:31 | cait | caroline: I'll bring you chocolate next chance |
| 16:32 | caroline | anyone wants to add anything else? we're way over time |
| 16:33 | aude_c | no, nothing |
| 16:33 | cait | not me |
| 16:33 | caroline | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 16:34 | would feb 16 be ok? | |
| 16:34 | aude_c | yes |
| 16:34 | marie-luce | yes |
| 16:34 | caroline | I was thinking maybe 16 or 17 for the time, it would be early for david, but not the middle of the night, and early evening for europe |
| 16:35 | https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]=165&p2=22&p3=136 | |
| 16:35 | cait | +1 |
| 16:35 | marie-luce | +1 |
| 16:36 | aude_c | yes :) |
| 16:36 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 16 February 2023, 17 UTC |
| 16:36 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:36 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Jan 19 16:36:24 2023 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:36 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-01-19-15.02.html | |
| 16:36 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]3-01-19-15.02.txt | |
| 16:36 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]19-15.02.log.html | |
| 16:36 | caroline | thanks everyone! |
| 16:36 | good work! | |
| 16:36 | aude_c | thanks, see you next time! |
| 16:37 | marie-luce | Have a lovely day! |
| 16:37 | cait | thanks caroline |
| 16:38 | marie-luce | caroline++ |
| 16:38 | cait | Koha question... an email to staff when a user cacnels their hold before it#s been pulle |
| 16:38 | d | |
| 16:39 | I think we only have staff cancels and user is emailed... right? | |
| 16:42 | caroline | who can run the meeting minutes script? |
| 16:43 | emlam | cait: I believe that's the case, yes |
| 16:43 | There's a syspref to email a librarian when the hold is placed, but not cancelled | |
| 16:43 | cait | thx emlam, I aws wondering if I missed something :) |
| 16:44 | emlam | no problem, it was exciting to see a question I knew the answer to haha |
| 16:45 | cait | I'll ask more :) |
| 16:46 | caroline++ # comment on bug 32621 | |
| 16:46 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32621 normal, P5 - low, ---, caroline.cyr-la-rose, NEW , Circulation bundles documentation has wrong pictures |
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| 17:12 | Mark_ | Hello, currently working with Koha 21.05.11-1 I have an issue where sometimes records go missing in OAI when following resumption tokens. I'm checking in if anyone here is aware of any known issues with OAI and updated records missing from results when following resumption tokens? |
| 17:31 | caroline | Mark_, sorry I'm not familiar enough with OAI to help... maybe try the koha mailing list? You'll be able to reach more people and in different time zones too |
| 17:35 | * caroline | managed to do all her action items right away! |
| 17:35 | caroline | *high five* |
| 17:49 | kidclamp | Are they chunks that go missing Mark_ ? Or individual records? |
| 17:55 | caroline | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]tation_management says to run "koha-meetings.pl", where can I find this script? |
| 17:55 | I tried to look through https://git.koha-community.org/explore/repos but couldn't find it (probably just didn't see it, but I need a hint where to look) | |
| 17:56 | Mark_ | @kidclamp, individual records. |
| 17:56 | huginn | Mark_: I suck |
| 18:00 | kidclamp | I would run the search_for_data_inconsistencies.pl |
| 18:00 | just to confirm not bad records - other possibility could be OAI sets, or maybe records in unexpected order? | |
| 20:02 | caroline | kidclamp still around? |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | what's up? |
| 20:03 | caroline | I wanted to know if what I put in bug 30846 was what you meant for this bug |
| 20:03 | huginn | 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30846 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Notforloan status is not checked in CanBookBeReserved/CanItemBeReserved |
| 20:03 | caroline | There is only a title, but no description |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | I am not sure - what you describe may be fixed by what I was thinking, but is not quite the same |
| 20:12 | I really meant that the check for holdability in the modules needs to include the not for loan logic | |
| 20:12 | caroline | should I create a new bug for my problem? |
| 20:12 | kidclamp | I think now it is checked in the scripts, but we should move it into the routines and cover it with tests |
| 20:13 | Or just change the title, and I can refile my initial bug with a little more info | |
| 20:13 | no reason to write your whole plan up again | |
| 20:13 | caroline | Ok, I didn't want to hijack your stuff |
| 20:13 | It just seemed like it might be the same but I wasn't sure enough | |
| 20:13 | kidclamp | No worries |
| 21:26 | caroline | @seen wizzyrea |
| 21:26 | huginn | caroline: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 16 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 7 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> tcohen - thank you I was hoping it was literally that easy but didn't dream it actually was |
| 21:48 | caroline | rangi around? |
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