IRC log for #koha, 2022-10-27

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02:44 tuxayo https://download.koha-community.org/ looks weird, doesn't it?
02:52 tcohen thd++
02:52 thd++
02:52 thd++
02:52 tuxayo tcohen: lol, I was about to do the same, I just got the new wiki propagated
02:52 thd+
02:53 tcohen++
02:53 thd++
02:53 looks so neat!
02:56 Now we will be able to make collapsible sections in the RMaint doc to better handle conditions (if security release, if using the release tool docker image, if Koha version <= 21.05, if releasing master)
02:57 🎉
02:57 Some stuff is messy, creating noise or spread out.
02:58 > MediaWiki offers collapsible classes out of the box for MediaWiki 1.18 and higher
02:58 confetti!
02:58 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
03:06 tuxayo There is even the visual editor!!!!!
03:11 The wiki is so reactive now!
03:14 > The overall contents of Canasta are as follows:
03:14 > Elasticsearch 6.8.20
03:14 ok so using EOL ES comes from Canasta. They might be reluctant to go to the non-libre version.
03:44 Here we go https://github.com/CanastaWiki/Canasta/issues/138
03:44 Need to open a ticket at MediaWiki actually to have ES 7 or OS support backported to LTS
03:45 Oh we don't have anymore the page view counters in the wiki. It was nice to see how insanely popular Koha is.
03:48 Regardless, I got one of my wish list items done!
03:48 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_tuxayo/Wish_list
03:51 Oh there are captchas from time to time on the wiki now. Quite basic but at least they are libre.
03:52 thd++ again thanks for the wiki upgrade
03:52 mtj++ also if I recall correctly ^^
03:53 thd and thanks tcohen
03:54 tcohen had forgotten to ask the mail system maintainer to fix the mail server for the system on which the wiki is running.
03:55 I think that new users cannot register and people cannot change passwords until the mail system is working.
03:56 Many other things to do to improve indexing which is now ElasticSearch etc.
03:57 tuxayo > new users cannot register and people cannot change passwords until the mail system is working.
03:57 oops ^^"
03:57 let's try
03:57 thd The sitemap for helping Google find things may not be working in the current configuration.
03:58 tuxayo Error sending mail:
03:58 Unknown error in PHP's mail() function.
03:58 As expected indeed!
03:58 thd tcohen reports that the mail system has been broken on that system a long time such that people do not receive email from jenkins jobs or whatever from that server.
03:59 Now fixing the mail system is a priority.
03:59 tuxayo How did people registered on the wiki until now?
03:59 Ah it was on another server
03:59 thd Yes.
04:00 We may go back to that other server but that server needs an OS upgrade.
04:00 Equinox supplied the other server and are happy to continue.
04:00 tuxayo Once the upgrade is done, portainer thing make it easy to migrate to another server is that it?
04:00 equinox++
04:01 thd Portainer is intended to make things easy.
04:02 tuxayo thd: I'm interested in hosting a MediaWiki as a personal website, IIUC Canasta is a distribution with a lot of things already set up like the visual editor which take some work otherwise.
04:03 thd The production and testing Docker containers have each restarted on me twice.  It could have been tcohen doing something but maybe some little problem.
04:03 tuxayo And I guess it should be easy to upgrade also? And is ElasticSearch optional (too much RAM for a personal site)
04:03 *optional?
04:04 thd I have ElasticSearch running in 1GiB of RAM on a 2GiB VPS with MediaWiki Canasta copy of the Koha database.
04:05 ElasticSearch maybe needs not require too much RAM if configured well.
04:06 tuxayo Regardless, it's likely to at least double the overall RAM usage.
04:07 thd I had copied a config for RAM constraint which worked for in a minimal Linode but failed for tcohen on the Portainer system.
04:07 tcohen then copied the Koha config for ElasticSearch and that worked.
04:08 Indexing the whole wiki takes about 2 minutes.
04:11 A few seconds for the ES generate step.  Comment out the index update hold in LocalSettings.php.  Run the ES bootstrap step.  Uncomment CirrisSearch for using ES in LocalSettings.php.
04:12 tuxayo > Indexing the whole wiki takes about 2 minutes.
04:12 nice
04:12 thd Yes, ES probably doubles RAM usage.
04:14 MediaWiki Canasta provides an ElasticSearch container as part of their docker-compose configuration.
04:17 Database based indexing takes much more time but the speed difference may be more in consequence of the Docker container running in RAM.
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05:25 umair hello
05:25 i need help
05:25 installalion of koha
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05:36 marcelr hi #koha
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06:12 reiveune hello
06:12 wahanui hello, reiveune
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06:42 alex_ Bonjour
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06:51 magnuse \o/
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08:06 Joubu (Mojo::Exception)<<Overflow error. version 8 total bits: 1316  max bits: 1232>>
08:06 what the heck is 1232?
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08:30 ashimema blimey, that test fix is more involved than I initially thought Joubu..
08:31 will try to QA it today.. so much going on at the minute I'm really struggling to fit it all in.
08:33 Joubu same here! but the tests were testing the whole UI, so had to rewrite most of it
08:35 ashimema yeah, i see
08:49 Joubu marcelr: around?
08:51 @later tell marcelr please see 32011
08:51 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:51 alohabot Joubu: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
08:51 Joubu ?
08:59 marcelr bug 32011
08:59 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32011 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , 2FA - Problem with qr_code generation
08:59 marcelr hmm
09:01 will have a look tomorrow
09:03 Joubu I have a patch, but I don't really understand it..
09:05 2 hours for a 1 char change patch, the best ones :D
09:06 marcelr yeah
09:34 bbl
10:00 fridolin Bug 32012 encoding in hell :(
10:00 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=32012 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , runreport.pl should use binmode UTF-8
10:27 oleonard o/
10:40 davidnind[m]++
10:40 thd++
10:48 Joubu oleonard: bug 31960 - "Report" is h2 and "Detailed messages: is h3, expected?
10:48 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31960 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Information on job detail view is misaligned
10:48 Joubu https://snipboard.io/VYtawT.jpg
10:48 as well as the : vs none
11:08 oleonard I think the : is probably not needed, but the h2 and h3 were deliberate, though I wouldn't argue about it.
11:15 tcohen hola #koha o/
11:16 oleonard Hi tcohen
11:16 tcohen hey oleonard
11:16 wahanui oleonard is happy for ashimema to write the release script
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11:42 zb someone who understands koha’s branches better than me:  suppose library has three branches, A and B in the same building, C more independently somewhere further. can you make koha treat B’s items returned at A as returned to their home branch (C’s items still marked for transfer)
11:45 (so if you are logged in at A and return an item belonging to B, koha understands that it doesn’t need to go to transfer and doesn’t need to be returned again at B)
11:46 oleonard zb: You can set up rules in Circulation & Fine rules so that items "float," but that's not quite the same.
11:47 zb: B items returned at A won't be transferred, but they'll still say they're at A.
11:47 zb oleonard: and they would then float only between A and B, but C would still be independent?
11:47 oleonard hm, no... I guess the options aren't that granular.
11:48 zb that’s what i suspected but wanted to confirm
11:50 i suspect that in the actual case i have, the library might want to change branch B into CCODE B of branch A
11:51 oleonard zb: It makes me wonder if A and B could be considered one library in Koha and use shelving locations to differentiate the collection. But then you couldn't easily get separate statistics
11:52 zb oleonard: would shelving locations be better than ccodes?
11:53 oleonard Not necessarily, because ccodes don't have to be used in any particular way. We (a public library) generally use them to define genres
11:54 zb ah :)
11:54 i think in the past you couldn’t make circulation rules based on ccode but maybe now you can?
11:54 oleonard No.
11:54 Still item type + library + patron category.
11:55 zb ah, that is then something for me to keep in mind
11:57 hmm. we do have collection code available in circ rules of our test installation, but maybe this was a non-standard feature
12:00 oleonard it must be a customization
12:01 zb yup. i think we tried to get rid of ccode-based rules a year ago or so, but maybe we still have them somewhere in some library...
12:01 thanks for helping me on figuring out the options!
12:02 oleonard You're welcome!
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13:20 anne Hi there. Another library allowed me to import their article records (from Koha). How do I import them into my library (dewey classification) I have fields 850$a=FLTE; 995$b=FLTE; 995$c=FLTE I would like to change these fields to IBB I did that in the file, but the import doesn't work. I guess it's because there are 3 characters instead of 4. Is there a control number? So how to solve this problem ?
13:21 caroline Hi anne, Is this UNIMARC? I don't recognize the fields
13:24 anne It's Unimarc
13:26 caroline And FLTE is their branchcode and IBB is yours?
13:29 Do you need the item fields? If you're just importing the bibliographic records, you can skip checking the item fields
13:36 anne Yes FLTE is their branchcode and IBB is mine. How can I skip this item fields ?
13:39 caroline In Outils>Préparation des notices MARC, you should have a section for items, just choose No
13:42 ashimema do we have a best practice way to get at teh currently logged in users borrowernumber in the staff client from javascript?
13:43 i was considering a global scoped variable.. but that feels a bit funky somehow.
13:51 anne Thanks Caroline, I don't have "Préparation des notices Marc" but I have "Gestion des modèles de transformation MARC". I used it to create a new template to delete items 859a, 995b and 995c. I used this template when importing and it worked. Merci ;)
13:52 caroline Préparation des notices MARC is the fr-CA translation... not sure what it is in fr-FR, it is the importing tool (stage MARC records)
13:52 glad you found a way around it!
14:09 oleonard Happy birthday caroline!
14:09 caroline thank you oleonard!
14:19 cait oh no
14:19 Happy birthday, caroline!
14:21 caroline thank you cait!
14:28 ashimema happy birthday ! 🙂
14:30 caroline thank you ashimema!
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14:48 lukeg hi
14:49 cait hi there
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16:07 caroline Has anyone around worked on the "pages" tool? bug 15326
16:07 huginn` 04Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15326 new feature, P5 - low, ---, aleisha, Needs documenting , Add CMS feature
16:07 tcohen marcelr?
16:07 wahanui well, marcelr is just amazed that next is faster than count
16:07 oleonard caroline: Just in testing
16:07 tcohen happy birthday, caroline
16:07 caroline I'm wondering what the expiration of a page does... The URL of an expired page is still valid, so what is the point?
16:07 thank you tcohen!
16:09 oleonard caroline: Should it return a 404 error instead? That seems logical to me. Or a more specific "this page has expired" message.
16:11 caroline I'm wondering if it has a specific purpose or if it's a relic from copying the news tool that wasn't removed or adapted
16:12 So far, I only see that it removes it from the list of "active" pages in the staff interface (additional-contents.pl), but the links are still valid and accessible
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16:16 oleonard caroline: I suspect it's an oversight. Something we should have caught in testing for sure.
16:16 caroline Ok I'll write a bug report
16:17 ashimema The pages stuff needs a fair bit more work in my opinion
16:17 Lots of little things like this
16:18 caroline It's still a very cool feature!
16:20 ashimema Indeed it is
16:21 caroline I think lukeg excited everyone at Kohacon when he showed it!
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18:42 cait oleonard++
18:46 thd++ tcohen++
18:52 caroline Does anyone remember who we're supposed to ping to update the 'latest' link in the manual?
18:53 rn latest goes to 20.11, which is... way back
18:53 https://koha-community.org/manual/latest/en/html/
18:55 cait I am not sure... liz maybe? or rangi?
18:59 caroline @later tell wizzyrea Hi Liz! Are you the one I'm supposed to contact to change the 'latest' link for the manual? Right now https://koha-community.org/manual/latest/en/html/ goes to 20.11, but the latest branch on gitlab is 22.05 https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ree/manual22.05.x Let me know if you need more info. Thanks!
18:59 huginn` caroline: The operation succeeded.
19:04 caroline @later tell rangi Hey rangi Are you the one I'm supposed to contact to change the 'latest' link for the manual? Right now https://koha-community.org/manual/latest/en/html/ goes to 20.11, but the latest branch on gitlab is 22.05 https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ree/manual22.05.x Let me know if you need more info. Thanks!
19:04 huginn` caroline: The operation succeeded.
19:04 caroline covering all the bases...
19:06 cait hehe
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