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| 00:03 | wajasu | is that why i saw smtp server configuration? it new |
| 00:14 | what about uucp? | |
| 00:14 | just kidding. | |
| 01:27 | for all my historical notices with <<biblio.title>> syntax, must i change to [% biblio.title %] or are both substitutions supported? | |
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| 06:14 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:14 | wahanui | bidet, reiveune |
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| 06:51 | cait | good morning #koha :) |
| 06:51 | didier++ | |
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| 12:00 | cait | very very quiet today |
| 12:49 | paulderscheid[m] | Hi #koha |
| 12:51 | cait | hi paulderscheid[m] :) finally no longer alone here... |
| 12:51 | Joubu | be little more calm please |
| 12:52 | cait | more calm?! |
| 12:52 | * cait | is totally calm |
| 12:53 | Joubu | compared to others you are not |
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| 13:10 | oleonard | BANG |
| 13:10 | reks joined #koha | |
| 13:10 | * oleonard | slamming open the door |
| 13:10 | oleonard | What's up kids |
| 13:13 | reks | Greetings, I am trying to find a setting that sends a notification when things are checked in or out to an email as well as overdue notices. |
| 13:14 | oleonard | reks: Look at Tools -> Overdue notice/status triggers for setting the schedule of overdue notices |
| 13:15 | reks: Notices on check-in or checkout are governed by patron messaging preferences which are set at the patron level | |
| 13:15 | reks: See the EnhancedMessagingPreferences and EnhancedMessagingPreferencesOPAC system preferences | |
| 13:18 | reks | Okay so in overdue notice/status triggers that is sending an email to the patron or this generic email that a staff member uses? |
| 13:21 | oleonard | Overdue notices are sent to the patron on a schedule you define, triggered by a cron job you have to set up. |
| 13:24 | reks | Thank you for your help. |
| 13:28 | oleonard | Joubu did you investigate the option of using a time-only Flatpickr in the staff interface curbside pickup form? |
| 13:30 | Joubu, cait, I've been working on the style of the OPAC interface: https://snipboard.io/CYbH5d.jpg | |
| 13:43 | Joubu | oleonard: nope |
| 13:44 | that looks great :) | |
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| 14:01 | marcelr | o/ |
| 14:06 | cait | oleonard: preeetty! |
| 14:07 | ...and thx for making some noise :) oleonard++ | |
| 14:11 | oleonard | Oh, Joubu and cait I should point out that I removed the count of existing pickups from the display in the OPAC. I felt that it wasn't relevant information from the patron's perspective. What do you think? |
| 14:16 | Joubu | Maybe it was a behaviour from the plugin I've kept. Or me who wanted to add more info. But you might be right, that's not useful for the OPAC user |
| 14:19 | oleonard | An example with a time disabled because there are too many existing appointments: https://snipboard.io/RQmHn2.jpg |
| 14:21 | Joubu | do we have a tooltip to explain why it's disabled? |
| 14:22 | oleonard | I think that's a good idea |
| 14:23 | cait | i think in staff it makes sense, but as you said, not relevant for the opac user |
| 14:23 | hm | |
| 14:23 | could it be a use case that a family wants to shcedule multiple at the same time but for different accounts? | |
| 14:25 | oleonard | Even with the count shown there it is theoretically a possibility that someone else is selecting the same time |
| 14:25 | cait | true |
| 14:26 | the red cross blood donaton site has a similar interface | |
| 14:26 | they show the number, so you cant ry and schedule with family members for open slots | |
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| 14:39 | Joubu | lot of new ERM enhancements applied on the sandbox today ;) |
| 14:43 | cait | I wanted to look into KBART; but it's so warm today! |
| 14:45 | *melting* | |
| 14:46 | paulderscheid[m] | Does someone know how I can use a shared "library" of modules between /var/lib... for the opac stuff and /usr/share... for the main module? |
| 14:46 | When using plugins | |
| 14:49 | cait | sorry, no idea - Joubu maybe? |
| 14:50 | paulderscheid[m] | Also I'd appreciate some help with Koha::Email. I want to send a message to the KohaAdminEmailAdress after a task has been executed. Where can I find an example? |
| 14:51 | caroline_crazycatlady | with a plugin or within Koha? |
| 14:51 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 31288: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]52ccdd4b3f28b3a03> |
| 14:51 | News from kohagit: Bug 31288: (QA follow-up) Check userenv in disown_or_delete <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6b7e9c7d37e10e698> | |
| 14:51 | News from kohagit: Bug 31220: (QA follow-up) Add missing filter <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d55454d333759f599> | |
| 14:51 | paulderscheid[m] | With a plugin |
| 14:51 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 31220: Pass label batch and ids to label-create-pdf <https://git.koha-community.org[…]721fb139ced45a532> |
| 14:51 | caroline_crazycatlady | I only know the patron emailer plugin that sends emails... |
| 14:51 | cait | paulderscheid[m]: i think not a lot go to the global address these days, sec |
| 14:52 | mostly a fallback | |
| 14:52 | caroline_crazycatlady | there is emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced I think that goes to KohaAdminEmailAddress |
| 14:52 | paulderscheid[m] | Any full blown example of Koha::Email will work |
| 14:52 | cait | caroline_crazycatlady: good one caroline |
| 14:53 | paulderscheid[m] | Not even sure that it's the right module |
| 14:53 | cait | paulderscheid[m]: are you sure you want kohaadmin? |
| 14:53 | for us that#s usually only a noreply@ | |
| 14:53 | and the real one is in replyto | |
| 14:53 | Joubu | paulderscheid[m]: I don't understand your question. A perl module? from Koha? |
| 14:54 | paulderscheid[m] | Wait, I'll make a screenshot |
| 14:54 | Joubu | (your first question) |
| 14:54 | cait | paulderscheid[m]: i think you could use EnqueueLetter |
| 14:54 | that uses Koha::Email internally somewhere | |
| 14:54 | https://git.koha-community.org[…]ggestions.pm#L290 | |
| 14:54 | that has the fallbacks yo'd probably want - pref, replyToDefault, KohaAdminEmailAddress | |
| 14:56 | youc an also send enqueued immediately - there is a line that needs to be added, the self registration verification mail has it | |
| 14:56 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks cait |
| 14:58 | Joubu | paulderscheid[m]: recent example on bug 28787 in Koha/REST/V1/TwoFactorAuth.pm |
| 14:58 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Send a notice with the TOTP token |
| 14:58 | Joubu | It's sending a TOTP by email, so generate the notice then send them |
| 14:58 | paulderscheid[m] | https://snipboard.io/KQgMkB.jpg |
| 14:58 | Joubu | but indeed there are other examples in the code base (28787 is not pushed yet) |
| 14:59 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks Joubu |
| 15:00 | Joubu | Calendar should not be in "opac" |
| 15:00 | cait | Joubu: did the original curbside plugin have a shared library somehow? wonder if I read that somewhere...b ut maybe it was objects |
| 15:00 | Joubu | it should be Koha::Plugin::...::RoomReservations::Calendar |
| 15:01 | paulderscheid[m] | Joubu: You're right, I left it until now because I didn't know how to share it |
| 15:01 | Joubu | the plugin dir is in PERL5LIB, so you can 'use' the module if it's correctly written |
| 15:01 | paulderscheid[m] | Ok |
| 15:01 | I'll try that | |
| 15:01 | Joubu | "package" line must be Koha::Plugin::... following the path |
| 15:05 | paulderscheid[m] | It just works 0.0 |
| 15:05 | Thanks again Joubu | |
| 15:06 | cait | Joubu++ # even if he called me loud earlier... |
| 15:07 | paulderscheid[m] | Joubu++ |
| 15:08 | I bow to you, sir. | |
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| 15:40 | tcohen | rmaints: please consider bug 30918 and friends for the next point releases. It is a big deal for several libraries |
| 15:40 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30918 normal, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to stable , Non-public note is visible in OPAC in Title Notes tab |
| 15:40 | tcohen | oh, lukeg++ |
| 16:09 | oleonard | Did we lose the ability to log in with a card number or is my system messed up somehow? |
| 16:30 | I'm confused by the outcome of Bug 31138. It appears that this triggers a "Something went wrong when loading the table." error when we try to initialize a DataTable when no table exists. | |
| 16:30 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31138 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , DataTables is not raising error to the end user |
| 16:59 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:08 | fridolin | yellow |
| 18:08 | wahanui: yellow | |
| 18:08 | wahanui | fridolin: sorry... |
| 18:08 | fridolin | no sens of humor ^^ |
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| 18:18 | thd | tcohen are you present |
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| 19:35 | tuxayo | Does anyone know how to check that a perl lib package is present in our repo? |
| 19:35 | I don't know how to navigate https://debian.koha-community.org/ | |
| 20:12 | fridolin | https://wiki.biblibre.com/pole[…]ludo#fourche_2111 |
| 20:12 | oups | |
| 20:12 | https://debian.koha-community.[…]ry-amd64/Packages | |
| 20:12 | tuxayo: here is an example | |
| 20:12 | or you may install the repo and use apt-cache policy | |
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| 21:09 | thd | Is there a meeting now? |
| 21:09 | rangi[m] | i think so |
| 21:09 | davidnind[m] | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 3 August 2022 |
| 21:09 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 21:09:54 2022 UTC. The chair is davidnind[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:09 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:09 | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_3_august_2022' | |
| 21:09 | aleisha joined #koha | |
| 21:09 | aleisha | kia ora! |
| 21:10 | davidnind[m] | #topic Introductions |
| 21:10 | #info David Nind, New Zealand | |
| 21:10 | alexbuckley | #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 21:10 | aleisha | #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 21:10 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 21:10 | rangi[m] | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT NZ |
| 21:11 | davidnind[m] | #chair tuxayo |
| 21:11 | huginn` | Current chairs: davidnind[m] tuxayo |
| 21:13 | cait joined #koha | |
| 21:13 | davidnind[m] | I'll give it another couple of minutes, not sure where everyone is today... |
| 21:14 | cait | here |
| 21:14 | rangi[m] | i think katrin is on the way |
| 21:14 | hehe see | |
| 21:15 | cait | what a coincidence, noone told me to come here |
| 21:15 | rangi[m] | heh |
| 21:15 | davidnind[m] | #topic Announcements |
| 21:16 | Any announcements/events anyone is aware of? | |
| 21:16 | rangi[m] | not from me |
| 21:16 | cait | oh did we info already? |
| 21:17 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany | |
| 21:17 | rangi[m] | we did |
| 21:17 | davidnind[m] | #info Closing date for registrations for KohaCon22 is 31 August 2022 |
| 21:17 | #link https://koha-us.org/events/conferences/kohacon22/ | |
| 21:18 | #info Closing date for KohaCon23 proposals is 6 September 2022 (none yet) https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon23_Proposals | |
| 21:18 | I'll send out a reminder about KohaCon23 proposals this week | |
| 21:19 | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) | |
| 21:20 | rangi[m] | i need to convince frido to propose tahiti for kohacon23 :) |
| 21:20 | davidnind[m] | +1 |
| 21:20 | Not sure whether tcohen is around, so will skip | |
| 21:21 | rangi[m] | maybe they all turned up yesterday like I did when i read the time wrong :) |
| 21:22 | cait | I think we messed up the calendar entry a little |
| 21:22 | so some migh tnot have seen it | |
| 21:22 | davidnind[m] | oops - that is probably my fault... |
| 21:23 | cait | no, I think we missed that the script didn't work right |
| 21:23 | not your fault at all | |
| 21:24 | davidnind[m] | I think we should carry on then, anyone got some radical proposals? 🙂 |
| 21:24 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 21:24 | cait | ... I am trying, but too tired to come up with something |
| 21:25 | davidnind[m] | Are any of the release maintainers around, otherwise will skip |
| 21:26 | #info Maintenance releases were released for all supported versions, was also a security release as well | |
| 21:27 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 21:28 | cait | oh sorry |
| 21:28 | not much new, just the usual: numbers in the queues are a bit high, but we are working on it an dther ehas been movement | |
| 21:28 | we had some big patches pushed | |
| 21:28 | item bundles, curbside pickups, patrons being able to cancel waiting holds | |
| 21:29 | rangi[m] | oh cool |
| 21:29 | davidnind[m] | nice! |
| 21:29 | cait | summer holidays on this half of the globe and Joubu leaving very soon now will mean less QA'ers for quite a while |
| 21:29 | hope the remaining can step up their game a bit (including me) :) | |
| 21:29 | join the QA team, we have cookies! | |
| 21:30 | (ok... the cookies are jus software cookies... but join anyway!) | |
| 21:30 | davidnind[m] | 🍪 |
| 21:30 | cait | that's it from me, any questions? :) |
| 21:31 | davidnind[m] | thanks cait! |
| 21:31 | rangi[m] | you should make a proposal that people have to send the qa team cookies |
| 21:31 | ill vote for it | |
| 21:32 | cait | :) |
| 21:32 | davidnind[m] | #topic Status of roadmap projects |
| 21:33 | thd | Wiki now restoring in pg_restore with no errors by using Debian 8 for restore and DB migration. |
| 21:34 | rangi[m] | cool |
| 21:34 | davidnind[m] | No release manager, so deferred unless anyone has an update on specific items https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap |
| 21:34 | cait | thd: is end of August still the goal? |
| 21:34 | thd | The further from Debian the more errors reported by pg_restore. |
| 21:35 | We might start migrating next week. | |
| 21:35 | cait | awesome |
| 21:35 | davidnind[m] | thd++ |
| 21:36 | thd | The pg_restore errors were probably false warnings but were scary. |
| 21:36 | cait | thd++ |
| 21:36 | thd | https://koha-mw-pg-test02.agog[…]om/wiki/Main_Page Postgres restore in Debian 8 pg_restore no errors. |
| 21:36 | https://koha-mw-my-test02.agog[…]om/wiki/Main_Page MySQL migration in Debian 8 | |
| 21:37 | https://koha-mw-my-test00-upgr[…]om/wiki/Main_Page Upgraded to LTS Debian 10 but not currently built from error free pg_restore. | |
| 21:37 | davidnind[m] | Sandbox available for ERM module using Vue - https://staff-erm.sandboxes.bi[…]n/koha/erm/erm.pl |
| 21:38 | thd | Debian 10 was easy. Debian 8 was tricky. |
| 21:38 | tuxayo | aaaaah there is a meeting!!!! |
| 21:38 | thd | tcohen found a good Docker container to use. |
| 21:38 | cait | you are just in time |
| 21:38 | thd | https://github.com/CanastaWiki[…]master/Dockerfile |
| 21:38 | rangi[m] | ohh the ERM module is looking good |
| 21:39 | davidnind[m] | plus a nice sneak preview https://bywatersolutions.com/e[…]es-sneak-peek-erm |
| 21:39 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo IT, France |
| 21:39 | cait | Joubu said he pushed some more updates/enh just today |
| 21:39 | so might be worth haveing another look | |
| 21:40 | (ERM) | |
| 21:40 | davidnind[m] | excellent! |
| 21:40 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 21:41 | davidnind[m] | I haven't had a chance to look at the staff interface redesign recently, but I think good progress is being made - some recent discussion on the mailing list |
| 21:41 | cait | there also is a sandbox now |
| 21:41 | dedicated, so everyone can have a look | |
| 21:42 | davidnind[m] | cool |
| 21:42 | aleisha | it looks very cool! |
| 21:42 | alexbuckley | yes very impressive :) |
| 21:42 | aleisha | we had some thoughts about the icons in the search bar (i.e. search patrons, check out etc) being a bit ambiguous. it would be cool if the text changed when you hovered on them, rather than just having alt text, otherwise you're required to click |
| 21:42 | cait | i think the search bar is the most dicussed feature |
| 21:43 | aleisha | understandably |
| 21:43 | cait | there have been accessibility concerns |
| 21:43 | tuxayo | #info dedicated sandbox to view the staff interface redesign: https://sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 21:43 | davidnind[m] | #link https://staff-bug30952.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 21:43 | cait | and I think it might clash with soem of our 'sysprefed' features that go there |
| 21:43 | so that is probably the area that needs the most work an dmaybe some ideas still | |
| 21:43 | aleisha | true true |
| 21:45 | cait | move on? |
| 21:45 | so quiet :) | |
| 21:46 | davidnind[m] | #info Thanks for those reviewing the staff interface redesign, please continue to provide feedback on bug 30952 and can preview at https://staff-bug30952.sandboxes.biblibre.eu/ |
| 21:46 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , New interface for staff client |
| 21:46 | davidnind[m] | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 21:47 | Extended support/LTS release is the on the agenda for voting, postpone the other items? | |
| 21:48 | cait | ok for me |
| 21:48 | davidnind[m] | #action liliputech (deferred from previous meeting) discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. |
| 21:48 | tuxayo | yes |
| 21:48 | davidnind[m] | tuxayo? |
| 21:48 | wahanui | tuxayo is on a role |
| 21:48 | tuxayo | «postpone the other items?» it was about that ^^" |
| 21:48 | davidnind[m] | sorry, meant any update on your action point? |
| 21:48 | tuxayo | ah |
| 21:49 | i moved it to the coding guidelines section of the agenda | |
| 21:49 | (I just did that ^^") | |
| 21:49 | So we will get to it | |
| 21:49 | davidnind[m] | thanks! |
| 21:49 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 21:50 | #topic Vote on LTS version | |
| 21:50 | Who would like to summarise the proposal? | |
| 21:50 | Then we can vote, if we think there are enough people here... | |
| 21:51 | cait | it's a little late here, but I can try |
| 21:51 | tuxayo | I can get stuff from the tickets |
| 21:51 | davidnind[m] | thanks cait |
| 21:51 | tuxayo | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=31008#c1 |
| 21:51 | huginn` | Bug 31008: new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Long Term Support (LTS) version of Koha |
| 21:51 | cait | we have worked out some models for how an LTS could work |
| 21:52 | the main differences are in overlap time and maintainers required | |
| 21:52 | could someone post the link? | |
| 21:52 | tuxayo | #info graph of LTS proposal https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 |
| 21:52 | cait | we ended up mostly agreeing that we will need 4 rmaints, to ensure that the normal versions are ther elong enough, overlap is long enough etc. |
| 21:52 | rangi[m] | yeah |
| 21:53 | cait | so we should decide what we want - each mode is summarized on the right of the example |
| 21:53 | mode = model | |
| 21:53 | and then the next question would be to name the first (second if you count 19.11) LTS | |
| 21:53 | I think at the moment it's only a quesiton between 22.05 and 22.11 | |
| 21:54 | the older ones are probably too late | |
| 21:54 | tuxayo: anything to add? | |
| 21:55 | tuxayo | Mandate = security + things that are broken (APIs (external), dependencies (such as Elasticsearch), etc) + essential backports only once past oldoldstable |
| 21:55 | Irregular release - only when something is needed once past oldoldstable | |
| 21:56 | rangi[m] | i think irregular release makes sense to me |
| 21:56 | for an lts | |
| 21:57 | tuxayo | With the last info, most of the proposal should be here and in the table link |
| 21:57 | davidnind[m] | I'm just formatting the 2 questions for voting - hope I get it right! |
| 21:57 | cait | thx davidnind[m] |
| 21:58 | davidnind[m] | #startvote Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? 22.05, 22.11 |
| 21:58 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? Valid vote options are 22, 05, 22, 11. |
| 21:58 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 21:58 | tuxayo | > i think irregular release makes sense to me |
| 21:58 | That's what makes it doable to find a 4th RMaint otherwise it would be too much of a commitment for limited value. | |
| 21:58 | cait | the idea is to ensure we have a version that can be used by people who don't manage to update that often and still have security patches |
| 21:58 | i think sticking ot scheudle might be nice as long as you still have bug fixes... but when it dwindles you can skip | |
| 21:58 | up to the rmaint then in the later phase of maintenance | |
| 21:58 | davidnind[m] | argh, formatted wrong will try again.. |
| 21:59 | #endvote | |
| 21:59 | huginn` | Voted on "Which Koha version will be the first LTS version?" Results are |
| 21:59 | davidnind[m] | #startvote Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? 22-05, 22-11 |
| 21:59 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Which Koha version will be the first LTS version? Valid vote options are 22-05, 22-11. |
| 21:59 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 22:00 | tuxayo | #vote abstain |
| 22:00 | huginn` | tuxayo: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are 22-05, 22-11. |
| 22:00 | tuxayo | I have no idea what is best |
| 22:00 | i know! | |
| 22:00 | davidnind[m] | #vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 | rangi[m] | #vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 | thd | #vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 | cait | #vote 22-11 |
| 22:00 | I'll just vote what everyone else voted :P | |
| 22:01 | alexbuckley | #vote 22-11 |
| 22:01 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, Tahiti |
| 22:01 | thd | tuxayo: the latter option gives more time to approach the issue. |
| 22:01 | fridolin | #vote 22-11 |
| 22:01 | sorry, i was too focused did not trick time | |
| 22:01 | tuxayo | Is there any difference on which of XX.05 or XX.11 tends to be most stable when reaching oldstable? |
| 22:01 | fridolin | trask |
| 22:01 | track | |
| 22:02 | cait | yeah, I'd have preferred 22-05 a little, but it's ok as long as we get the ball rolling :) |
| 22:02 | tuxayo: not really... depends on a lot of things | |
| 22:02 | tuxayo | ok |
| 22:02 | fridolin | we use xx-11 at biblibre but it is hazard |
| 22:02 | from first version 16.11 i bet | |
| 22:03 | rangi[m] | i picked 22.11 cos we just have more time to get sorted out :) |
| 22:03 | thd | :) |
| 22:03 | tuxayo | fridolin: I don't think so, it's because you are on the north hemisphere and libraries prefer major upgrades in summer. Isn't it that? |
| 22:03 | fridolin | ahhh maybe |
| 22:03 | cait | yeah, it got too late for 22.05 probably |
| 22:03 | davidnind[m] | you have one minute to cast/change your vote |
| 22:03 | fridolin | using xx.05 woould be too fresh for july in deed |
| 22:04 | cait | I stand with my vote :) |
| 22:04 | tuxayo | But for LTS the hemisphere thing doesn't change anything if we choose to have a year of overlap (4 RMaint constantly) |
| 22:05 | fridolin | we just need good brain hemispheres ^^ |
| 22:05 | davidnind[m] | #endvote |
| 22:05 | huginn` | Voted on "Which Koha version will be the first LTS version?" Results are |
| 22:05 | 22-11 (6): cait, rangi[m], fridolin, alexbuckley, davidnind[m], thd | |
| 22:05 | tuxayo | 🎉 |
| 22:05 | cait | I love decisions |
| 22:05 | next! :) | |
| 22:05 | davidnind[m] | #agreed The first LTS/extended support version will be 22.11 |
| 22:05 | not sure how to phrase the next question - can anyone help | |
| 22:05 | tuxayo | So how many RMaint? |
| 22:06 | cait | I think maybe... sec |
| 22:07 | 1-3-1, 1.5-3-1, 1.5-3.5-1.5 | |
| 22:07 | tuxayo | 👀 |
| 22:07 | fridolin | !bingo |
| 22:07 | cait | that's regular regular releases, LTS release, overlap of LTS |
| 22:07 | or...1 2 and 3 from the calc document | |
| 22:08 | but that might go away some day | |
| 22:08 | tuxayo | > but that might go away some day |
| 22:08 | indeed | |
| 22:08 | Ah I get it | |
| 22:10 | cait | I lean towards the last at the moment |
| 22:10 | every 4th release is an LTS | |
| 22:10 | tuxayo | 1-3-1, 1.5-3-1, 1.5-3.5-1.5 |
| 22:10 | length of support for regular releases - length of support for LTS - duration of LTS overlap(the 1st 6months are when the release is "stable" so not stable enough for migration, subtract 6mo to get the safe overlap) | |
| 22:10 | cait | and you have 1.5 overlap.. which should work with all seasons |
| 22:11 | do people have an idea what they want? | |
| 22:11 | tuxayo | certainly not 1-3-1 because it's not possible to upgrade every year and choose when to do so. You are forced |
| 22:12 | thd | 4 years is not in the spreadsheet is it? |
| 22:12 | tuxayo | 1.5-3.5-1.5 (the last) works better no matter when they want to upgrade |
| 22:13 | > 4 years is not in the spreadsheet is it? | |
| 22:13 | Was a 4years proposal made? | |
| 22:13 | thd | sorry 4 releases is not in the spreadsheet. |
| 22:13 | cait | I meant evey 4th is an lts |
| 22:13 | what do you mean by 4 releases? | |
| 22:13 | we'll always maintain 4 parallel | |
| 22:14 | thd | Ah ok |
| 22:14 | tuxayo | 1.5-3-1 and 1.5-3.5-1.5 (proposal 2 and 3) have 4 un parallel |
| 22:14 | davidnind[m] | So question would be: Use every 4th version as the LTS/extended support version of Koha (see https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 for details)? Yes, No |
| 22:15 | tuxayo | That doesn't discriminate between the 3 proposals |
| 22:15 | They all work with LTS being one of every 4th release | |
| 22:16 | cait | yes |
| 22:16 | the difference is the overlap time | |
| 22:16 | in general the mainenance times and such | |
| 22:16 | * fridolin | goes to lunch will read the logs |
| 22:16 | cait | I know i prefer the 3rd |
| 22:16 | tuxayo persuaded me | |
| 22:17 | and it#s the same amount of maintainers, only difference is that it's always 4 people to the second model | |
| 22:17 | tuxayo | So hard to phrase concisely the proposals |
| 22:17 | cait | it's why I needed to draw it |
| 22:17 | davidnind[m] | We have 3 options - if someone can give me a short description for each one I'll run the vote and then end the meeting |
| 22:18 | cait | hm I tried :) |
| 22:18 | davidnind[m] | How about: What maintenance model will we use for LTS/extended support version of Koha? Option 1, Option 2, Option 3 (every 4th version) |
| 22:18 | cait | The short description is either 1-3-1, 1.5-3-1, 1.5-3.5-1.5 |
| 22:18 | or what is written next to the tables | |
| 22:18 | for model 3: 4 RMaints | |
| 22:18 | 1.5 years maintenance for regular releases | |
| 22:18 | 3.5 years maintenance for LTS release | |
| 22:18 | 1.5 year overlap | |
| 22:19 | all are every 4th, so I think we can leave that off :) | |
| 22:19 | tuxayo | Format of the proposals: N1-N2-N3 |
| 22:19 | N1: length of support for regular releases - N2: length of support for LTS - N3: duration of LTS overlap (including the first 6 months of lifecycle that aren't well suited for upgrade) | |
| 22:19 | cait | but yes, 1 2 or 3 migh work best |
| 22:20 | tuxayo | 3 RMaints vs 3.75 RMaints vs 4 RMaints |
| 22:21 | cait | maybe we should just decide between 2 and 3 to make it easier |
| 22:21 | I tihnk people might agree that having to update every year of they are not on LTS is not enough time | |
| 22:22 | thd | ++ |
| 22:22 | tuxayo | They can't even do when they want |
| 22:22 | cait | and the only differnce between 2 and 3 is that we have no cycle where we only need 3 rmaints |
| 22:22 | we always need 4 | |
| 22:22 | tuxayo | 2 RMaint for regular releases gives a constraint to do that in winter or summer (depending of when we start) |
| 22:22 | cait | but we get 1.5 years overlap |
| 22:23 | so... I think maybe we just vote if 3 is ok :) | |
| 22:23 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 22:23 | cait | This would be: |
| 22:23 | 4 RMaints constantly | |
| 22:23 | 1.5 years maintenance for regular releases | |
| 22:23 | 3.5 years maintenance for LTS release | |
| 22:23 | 1.5 year overlap between LTS releases | |
| 22:24 | davidnind[m] | Nearly there... |
| 22:24 | cait | ok |
| 22:24 | tuxayo | proposal 1: keep 3 RMaints and shorten support of regular releases |
| 22:24 | proposal 2: 4 RMaints (1 out of every 4 cycles, only 3 RMaints) and same support of regular releases. 6 months of effective overlap between LTS | |
| 22:24 | proposal 3: 4 RMaints always and same support of regular releases. 12 months of effective overlap between LTS | |
| 22:24 | Can't make it much sorter | |
| 22:25 | davidnind[m] | #Info Option 3 for voting = 4 RMaints constantly, 1.5 years maintenance for regular releases, 3.5 years maintenance for LTS release, 1.5 year overlap between LTS releases |
| 22:25 | #vote Use option 3 as maintenance model for LTS/extended support version of Koha (see https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 for details)? Yes, No | |
| 22:25 | #vote Yes | |
| 22:25 | tuxayo | #vote yes |
| 22:25 | cait | #vote yes |
| 22:26 | rangi[m] | #vote Yes |
| 22:26 | thd | # vote Yes |
| 22:26 | #vote Yes | |
| 22:26 | davidnind[m] | one minute to go.. |
| 22:27 | #endvote | |
| 22:27 | alexbuckley | #vote yes |
| 22:28 | tuxayo | It was #startvote ! |
| 22:28 | davidnind[m] | #agreed To use option 3 (see details in comments) as the maintenance model for the LTS/extended support version of Koha (see https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 for details) |
| 22:28 | tuxayo | anyway we can manually do it |
| 22:28 | davidnind[m] | I won't rerun - it was unanimous! |
| 22:28 | #info All other agenda items deferred to the next meeting | |
| 22:28 | cait | yes and it's soo olate :) |
| 22:28 | davidnind[m] | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 22:29 | cait | here at least |
| 22:29 | tuxayo | same time? (for the meeting in 4 weeks) |
| 22:29 | The one it two week has been decided 2 weeks ago, let me find it | |
| 22:30 | #info see bug 31008 for other details about how the LTS should be handled (scope of what to include, regularity of releases) | |
| 22:30 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31008 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Long Term Support (LTS) version of Koha |
| 22:30 | tuxayo | #info Next meeting: 17 August 2022, 14 UTC |
| 22:31 | davidnind[m] | thanks tixayo |
| 22:31 | tuxayo even | |
| 22:31 | tuxayo | For meeting in 4 weeks the 31th then? |
| 22:31 | davidnind[m] | #endmeeting |
| 22:31 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 22:31:22 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:31 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-08-03-21.09.html | |
| 22:31 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-08-03-21.09.txt | |
| 22:31 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]03-21.09.log.html | |
| 22:31 | tuxayo | same hour? |
| 22:31 | cait | thx davidnind++ |
| 22:31 | davidnind[m] | Thanks everyone, apologies that went longer than the hour... |
| 22:31 | cait | and everone else for being patient |
| 22:31 | tuxayo | davidnind++ thanks for the chairing |
| 22:32 | cait | it's good to have a decision now |
| 22:32 | davidnind[m] | yeah for decisions! |
| 22:32 | tuxayo | Not your fault, some stuff needed time |
| 22:33 | davidnind[m] | right, time for breakfast (a little later than usual for me....) |
| 22:33 | tuxayo | Unless someone suggests otherwise: |
| 22:33 | #info meeting after the next one: 31 August 2022, 21 UTC | |
| 22:33 | cait | logs are already done :) |
| 22:33 | tuxayo | (so I can find this in two week) |
| 22:34 | davidnind[m] | I'll run the script later on and make sure the time is in the calendar... |
| 22:34 | tuxayo | It doesn't matter, I search the end of the last meeting in the global logs to pull the next meeting time :P |
| 22:34 | davidnind++ | |
| 22:34 | davidnind[m] | thanks cait for staying up so late! |
| 22:34 | tuxayo | great, you can run the script :D |
| 22:34 | cait | might be too hot to sleep anyway |
| 22:34 | :) | |
| 22:34 | tuxayo | 29°C in my room |
| 22:35 | davidnind[m] | Will try and add a comment to the bug that explains the option we chose, and then a draft email for the mailing list |
| 22:35 | tuxayo | davidnind++ thanks again for the communication about the LTS process |
| 22:35 | davidnind[m] | If I could send some cold your way I would - I still have the fire on.... |
| 22:36 | cait | fire.. ugh. |
| 22:36 | not a picture that is helpng right now :) | |
| 22:36 | bye all! | |
| 22:36 | tuxayo | Cold would be welcome. We already have the fire in my region |
| 22:37 | bye cait | |
| 22:37 | davidnind[m] | that's not great at all 😥 |
| 22:40 | tuxayo | Nothing unusual it's since forever in the south east. Unlike the west where this year in burned a lot and it's not usual. |
| 22:51 | aleisha | woops i had to run off to a meeting so missed the end of our meeting. thanks davidnind[m] for chairing! |
| 23:00 | davidnind[m] | No problem! |
| 23:06 | cait joined #koha |
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