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02:19 | wajasu | i've got my new debian11 with 22.0503000 in the db syspref and Koha.pm |
02:20 | the opac always disconnects the connection at the first search. the staff interface works. | |
02:21 | i've also just install that same db with KOHA_IMAGE=22.05 kul , koha-upgrade-schema, koha-rebuild-zebra | |
02:23 | that docker environment has 22.05.02.000 in the db syspref and Koha.pm | |
02:26 | both the opac and staff succeed in the search in the docker ktd environment. | |
02:27 | now i want to see if its the specific version 22.0503000 that is broken, or if its my debian11 install. | |
02:31 | i guess i can try to change my koha git tag to v22.05.02, then KOHA_IMAGE=22.05 kul | |
02:34 | then the kul docker environment would be as close to my failing installation. if it succeeds, then 22.0503000 is broken. | |
02:35 | if it fails, its something else. i'll have to debug opac-search.pl. maybe use debugger, and step through. | |
02:36 | or look to see if the database will log a statement for a query ... | |
02:36 | tmrw morning. | |
02:37 | at least i know my database in the ktd/kul works at 22.05.02.000 | |
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07:07 | cait1 | hm not a lot of ops again |
07:07 | paulderscheid[m] | Morning #koha |
07:11 | cait1 | it looks like mails going through the mailing list can take a few hours at the moment, in one case an email from koha-bugs took almost 24-hours. We've ruled out bugzilla and I also saw a bigger delay on koha-devel with an email I sent - someone from Biblibre around who could check on the mailing list server? |
07:13 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_21.11_D12 build #103: ABORTED in 39 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_21.11_D12/103/ |
07:14 | cait1 | Frido, jajm ^ |
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11:25 | tcohen | hola #koha |
11:31 | cait1 | hola tcohen |
11:36 | tcohen | bye koha-jenkins |
11:44 | hi all, anyone willing to check on the jenkins build notifications, can join the #koha-ci channel | |
11:44 | as decided on some past dev meeting, koha-jenkins will no longer report here | |
11:51 | tuxayo | tcohen++ |
11:51 | oleonard | Thanks tcohen! |
11:54 | tcohen | remote: Compressing objects: 100% (1287/1287), done. |
11:54 | Recibiendo objetos: 44% (3853/8692), 55.82 MiB | 56.00 KiB/s | |
11:55 | Work will be slow today it seems | |
12:14 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 30965: Add a 'x' to go back to the patron search <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6a5a282e2d19627a8> |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 30650: Add missing koha_object[s]_class methods <https://git.koha-community.org[…]0d62c99a23b9629bc> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 30499: Move the include for catalogue-search-box.inc in circ-search.inc to correc... <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3c9593bc5bc7e2193> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 31251: Use jQuery val() to clear_entry <https://git.koha-community.org[…]2f1be9f87dac4614d> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 31223: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8d80ea02283a7d55b> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 31223: Do not explode if plugins disabled <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5945467931a10082e> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 30965: Add patron autocomplete search to curbside pickups <https://git.koha-community.org[…]be3cbeab174f8cec3> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 30028: Fix patron message delete confirmation to be translatable <https://git.koha-community.org[…]e1a91a75c08fe30c8> | |
12:14 | News from kohagit: Bug 28707: Translate RECEIPT notice <https://git.koha-community.org[…]42bcc0af1868017c5> | |
12:18 | tcohen | lukeg++ # fixing stuffs all over the place |
12:32 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 30984: DBRev 22.06.00.026 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]2a332f328cad515e7> |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 30468: Restore 'set -e' and remove echos <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ab880d81b8f51d2e3> | |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 31269: Define sDefaultContent for DataTables <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d566adc5bac7f293d> | |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 30984: (QA follow-up) Switch from mediumtext to varchar(255) <https://git.koha-community.org[…]609cf05e360551ce1> | |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 30984: (QA follow-up) Ternary formatting style <https://git.koha-community.org[…]2b4cf23763363b45a> | |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 30984: Action logs should log the cronjob script name that generated the given log <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7484d9e989ed3e5f7> | |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 30658: (bug 29496 follow-up) CheckMandatorySubfields don't work properly with... <https://git.koha-community.org[…]e3e8d76bea3108125> | |
12:32 | News from kohagit: Bug 30468: koha-mysql does not honor Koha's timezone setting <https://git.koha-community.org[…]43c0f45077871b398> | |
12:32 | oleonard | Anyone know why I'm getting "Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at unix:///var/run/docker.sock" today when I try to start KTD? macOS, Docker Desktop v4.10.1 |
12:33 | Joubu | is docker running? |
12:33 | oleonard | Yes, |
12:34 | Joubu | Try a restart maybe: `service docker restart` |
12:35 | tcohen | oleonard: maybe you have Docker Desktop AND some manually installed tools from homebrew? |
12:35 | i.e. version mismatch | |
12:35 | it is working for me | |
12:35 | same version | |
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12:35 | tcohen | was about to upgrade to 4.11 on friday |
12:35 | I suggest you restart it | |
12:36 | oleonard | Restarting a third time was what I needed I guess :| |
12:37 | Joubu | you need to restart it and feel it will fix the problem. If you just restart it without faith, it cannot work |
12:38 | tcohen | Joubu: the Docker Desktop thing... is a bit fragile. |
12:39 | it uses a VM and restarting it fixed things in the past | |
12:39 | this is not Linux | |
12:39 | and I agree: you need to believeeeeee | |
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12:53 | cait1 | tcohen: did you see my note on your holds bug? I can no longer set holds to waiting :( |
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13:02 | tcohen | cait1: saw it, working on that after the push I'm doing |
13:02 | thanks for the reminder! | |
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13:02 | tcohen | it must have been a bad rebase |
13:04 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 30984: DBIC update <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9435436e51b519ff1> |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 30612: Rename other occurrences <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5e823d9bda87f1efc> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 30612: (QA follow-up) Rename accountlines method to account_lines <https://git.koha-community.org[…]910f334871231ab0a> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27849: (follow-up) Add test <https://git.koha-community.org[…]54b2375b994753951> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 30964: (QA follow-up) Add classes to allow for additional styling <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5c0afd3bfb42a3de0> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 30964: Add 'restricted' and 'has overdues' on curbside pickup <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8cb19bb5ef438cc3b> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 30612: Update schema files <https://git.koha-community.org[…]820d9081f10256df8> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 30612: Add accountlines method to Koha::Checkout and Koha::Old::Checkout <https://git.koha-community.org[…]2a4339b4b1cf02637> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 28864: Have patron card creator use PatronsPerPage <https://git.koha-community.org[…]43da0adb423ad7bd8> | |
13:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27849: Koha::Token may access undefined C4::Context->userenv <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7df0bb94b4cfbbb12> | |
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14:02 | cait1 | zero emails on koha-bugsfor some time now :( |
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14:20 | lukeg | hi |
14:20 | wahanui | privet, lukeg |
14:25 | wajasu | i believe |
14:25 | * cait1 | waves |
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14:39 | tundunf | hi everyone |
14:44 | oleonard | Hi tundunf |
14:48 | reiveune | bye |
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14:55 | tundunf | I can find instructions for adding item checkin alerts, but does anyone know if it's possible to add item checkout alerts? |
14:57 | Joubu | like sending a notification by email? |
14:58 | tundunf | More like an alert for staff issuing the item to borrowers |
14:58 | For example, we have a restricted loan collection that doesn't auto-renew, and we wanted to see if we could have an alert pop-up when it's being issued to remind circulation staff to tell borrowers that the item is non-renewable | |
15:01 | cait1 | tundunf: have a look at $3 materials |
15:01 | that creates some warning on checkout | |
15:01 | and checkin | |
15:01 | tundunf | ah thank you |
15:02 | I'm assuming there's no way to apply this to an entire item type? | |
15:02 | Joubu | bug 25261 |
15:02 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, CLOSED FIXED, Multiple parts handling - confirmation alert |
15:04 | cait1 | Joubu: that bug makes it a confirm yep - showed before that too |
15:05 | tundunf: maybe it would be a good idea to file a bug to have something like the checkin note also for checkouts (by itemtype) | |
15:05 | it could make a nice enh | |
15:06 | tundunf | will do! |
15:06 | thanks for your help all ~ | |
15:06 | FlorianB | I'm having some issues with the kohadevbox, can I ask for help here as well? |
15:17 | cait1 | FlorianB: you can |
15:18 | FlorianB: but a lot of people are using koha-testing-docker these days, so not sure when ti comes to fixes etc | |
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17:15 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 30077: DBRev 22.06.00.028 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5349261a3c2b54ac8> |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 30077: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org[…]185cf57cb92d9cf49> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: DBRev 22.06.00.027 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]13ee492ef68e27a47> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: (QA follow-up) Tidy query build code <https://git.koha-community.org[…]11a0bf788900c369d> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: Add tests for Items search by ISBN and ISSN with variations <https://git.koha-community.org[…]aa29e1d24463c5bd7> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: Add tests for biblioItems search by ISBN and ISSN with <https://git.koha-community.org[…]40604d299db445c8a> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: Items search by ISBN variations and ISSN variations <https://git.koha-community.org[…]f941670a49ec06925> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: Zebra search by ISSN variations <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b5caa9c99bb30331e> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 23919: Add new system preference SearchWithISSNVariations <https://git.koha-community.org[…]12b5bcca0246777f1> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 30077: (follow-up) Set max width for library drapdown <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9d907ebcb44bfa06a> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 30077: (follow-up) retain branch selection <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d511a126cf659bc49> | |
17:15 | News from kohagit: Bug 30077: Add system preference IntranetAddMastheadLibraryPulldown <https://git.koha-community.org[…]fd85a3e1fdf0cfdef> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 30392: DBRev 22.06.00.029 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b6a3ea7cd720584c1> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 30392: DBIC update <https://git.koha-community.org[…]77848bb889d5c97b7> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 30392: (QA follow-up) Correct COMMENT <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a32e33c7a4ce24fc1> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 29579: (QA follow-up) Fix up t/db_dependent/Koha/Reports.t <https://git.koha-community.org[…]658e3cd8bb48930bf> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 30392: Set deleted_on when an item is (marked as) deleted <https://git.koha-community.org[…]e0495a6720d2bbfcc> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 30392: DB changes <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b57698acae5d0827d> | |
17:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 29579: Show saved SQL report ID in database query <https://git.koha-community.org[…]f901e2d63a6c97192> | |
17:49 | News from kohagit: Bug 30077: (QA follow-up) Avoid warning <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7b232d2ceb0aa61e7> | |
17:53 | wajasu | i need some help. i need a hint as where to look for my problem. |
17:53 | fresh koha 22.05.02.000 debian 11 install, but with my legacy database brought in. | |
17:54 | tcohen | go on |
17:54 | we are all reading | |
17:54 | :-D | |
17:55 | wajasu | the database has 22.0502000 version in sys prefs |
17:55 | my problem is when i do a search in OPAC, i get connection timeout in browser | |
17:55 | staff interface works. | |
17:56 | tcohen | is the request reaching Apache? |
17:56 | wajasu | i did load that same database into ktd kul docker env at version 22.0503000 and it works |
17:56 | tcohen | (i.e. in the logs) |
17:56 | wajasu | letme check |
17:56 | tcohen | it feels like a deployment issue |
17:56 | maybe NS, etc | |
17:59 | wajasu | i just did a bunch of apt update upgrade stuff. |
18:00 | it works now. let me reboot the server | |
18:00 | when i reboot, does zebra always rebuild? | |
18:03 | i reboot. now the opac comes up, i search and i get dropped connection. when i search | |
18:05 | its workingnow. | |
18:07 | my staff interface always works with search. let me reboot and see if some backend services weren't up yet. | |
18:07 | tcohen | zebra doesn't rebuild on its own |
18:08 | wajasu | but i was usually waiting for an hour... |
18:08 | tcohen | unless you're talking about the real-time updating that takes place on changes |
18:08 | which is handled by koha-indexer | |
18:08 | wajasu | no updateing. just plain search out the box. |
18:08 | not this is on a 4GB linode shared VPS. | |
18:09 | not sure if other users can influence performance on my kvm | |
18:10 | rebooting again | |
18:17 | well if i change my search criteria, i saw the result pae come up, but maybe cover resource lookup are delayed. | |
18:22 | ok. if i search for author. i get connection timed out. then in the browser i resubmit, it works. | |
18:23 | tcohen | how many workers are you running? |
18:24 | wajasu | 2 |
18:24 | plack | |
18:24 | i'm the only user | |
18:24 | its standard out of the box deployment. | |
18:25 | just IP config for apache | |
18:25 | localhost | |
18:25 | wahanui | somebody said localhost was literally "localhost" or I should sub that for something else? |
18:26 | tcohen | so |
18:26 | if you restart things does it work? | |
18:26 | koha-zebra --stop $(koha-list --enabled) ; koha-zebra --start $(koha-list --enabled) | |
18:27 | wajasu | when is searcj, i see tail -f /var/log/apache/other_vhosts_access.log shows access lines |
18:27 | ok. i'll try | |
18:27 | tcohen | tail -f /var/logs/koha/<instance>/*.log |
18:31 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tail -f /var/logs/koha/<instance>/*.log" (7 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/11950 |
18:32 | wajasu | remember its my old 3.10 koha brought to 22.05 |
18:33 | maybe i need branch_limit configured because it may be dooing some work based on that and timing out | |
18:34 | line 491 mentions building cache_key | |
18:34 | tcohen | you did a fresh install, right? |
18:34 | and just carried your /var/lib/koha/<instance> stuff | |
18:34 | and hte DB | |
18:34 | right? | |
18:35 | wajasu | i did a few this weekend. with same results. things work with same database in ktd. |
18:36 | yes. just fresh install. takes 20 min with my placker script, and then copied the db backup sql to the box. then shutdown koha-common and apache. then dropped db. then streamed db backup into new db. | |
18:37 | then did koha-upgrade-schema <instance> | |
18:37 | then koha-rebuild -f -v <instance> | |
18:37 | then startup koha-common and apache | |
18:38 | staf interface works, but opac had the problem. | |
18:41 | tcohen | is PLack enabled for both OPAC and staff? |
18:41 | thinking of deployment issues | |
18:42 | koha-plack --enable <instance> | |
18:42 | if you tweaked the files manually you might have broken koha-plack --enable | |
18:42 | * tcohen | has been there |
18:44 | wajasu | they both show enabled, and i disabled and reeneabled. plus i check the apache <instance>.conf to see if uncommented |
18:44 | tcohen | great |
18:45 | wajasu | restarted koha-common and apache still has problem. |
18:47 | do you think that branch-limit undef warning in the paste above could be an issue? staff search doesn't show that | |
18:52 | i guess i can try to turn on db logging to see the a query that might be slow. maybe i don't have an index. | |
18:53 | tcohen | do the zebra logs show anything? |
18:53 | did you change searchengine? | |
18:53 | did you happen to restart memcached as well? (it caches koha-conf.xml and some stuffs like MARC frameworks) | |
18:54 | wajasu | nothing logged in zebra-error.log or zerba-output.log for that instance |
18:55 | restarting memcached didn't help | |
18:55 | i left searach engine alone. remember my 3.10 db wasnt using memcached | |
18:56 | sysprefs shows session storage in mysql | |
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18:57 | fridolin | yellow |
18:57 | wajasu | maybe changing it the memcached will help |
18:57 | tcohen | no no |
18:57 | wajasu | ok |
18:57 | tcohen | memcached is not used for sessions only |
18:57 | it is configured by default in koha-conf.xml | |
18:58 | and used by Koha::Cache | |
18:58 | which is used all over the place to speed up things | |
18:58 | wajasu | remember i installed this same db in place of koha_kohadev on a parallel running KOHA_IMAGE=22.05 kul |
18:58 | it works there. | |
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19:00 | wajasu | ok/2Gps in network) |
19:00 | i'm just trying on this linode VPS. which was a 1M 1CPU VPS, and now I'm on a 2M ram, 1 CPU (5GBdisk, 40Gbps out | |
19:01 | top shows no cpu or much load, swap 512M but not being used | |
19:11 | tcohen | I'm clueless right now |
19:11 | what I'd do is adding some warn "" | |
19:11 | in the relevant places | |
19:12 | wajasu | ok. heading there now. just turned on mysqld query log to see if anything hanging. |
19:12 | tuxayo | wajasu: if you need a backtrace: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]a_stack_backtrace |
19:13 | wajasu | i might see about how linode does NS and see if thats an issue. |
19:13 | thx for the debug info. | |
19:14 | at least you gave me some ideas to follow | |
19:15 | i wonder if plack has a rquest timeout setting. and how long it is. then i can bump it up to see. then search for the slow work being done. | |
19:16 | at least i have a working ktd to compare settings to. | |
19:19 | i was trying to get the apt update to pickup 22.05.03.000 to make things more like mt kul environment. but do i need staging in apt sources.list.d/koha.list to pick that up? | |
19:28 | thx for the effort tcohen. i'll investigate some more. | |
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21:01 | tuxayo | tcohen: are you the right the person to report to that the next meeting is missing on the calendar? |
21:03 | tcohen | I never managed to make it work :-( |
21:03 | cait | i think it was not added automatically |
21:03 | i had to add the minutes manually to the last meeting too | |
21:05 | maybe something to look into or someone else maybe could run? not sure if ashimema can | |
21:05 | tcohen | I ran the koha-meetings script |
21:05 | which generated the next one | |
21:05 | cait | yeah, but it didn't edit the old one |
21:05 | tcohen | But I am missing the google auth link |
21:05 | cait | to add link to next and minutes |
21:05 | tcohen | and I have no idea about the minutes |
21:05 | cait | and didn't update the calendar, so something is wrong |
21:06 | it does all that usually | |
21:06 | tuxayo | davidnind++ thanks for adding in the calendar |
21:06 | cait | possibly it gets the last meeting date from the calendar and failed therefore? |
21:06 | davidnind++ | |
21:06 | time to sleep here... it just started raining :) | |
21:06 | tuxayo | > which generated the next one |
21:06 | tcohen thanks, it already existed (the wiki page) so I don't know what that did | |
21:06 | cait | bye |
21:08 | tuxayo | cait++ thanks for adding the minutes to the last one |
21:09 | tcohen: so in the future for the calendar I can bother David N and for creating the next's wikipage it's you, is it? | |
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21:16 | wajasu | tcohen: i think i found the problem. |
21:19 | i changed the number of plack workers to 1. because this is a VPS with 1 cpu. now the opac-search doesn't crash. | |
21:20 | fridolin | wajasu: we experianced one can set 2 workers per CPU, should be OK |
21:20 | 1 will be a big bottle-neck | |
21:21 | note that each worker uses RAM thats another limit | |
21:21 | wajasu | i moved to a 2GB VPS so ram is not an issue. not swapping now. |
21:22 | but my 1CPU VPS crashes with 2 workers. | |
21:22 | maybe the second worker freezes and it times out or whatever. | |
21:23 | now my staff interface works with the 2 workers. but not opac. | |
21:30 | i'm wondering if there is a plack/psgi/starman config i can use to increase whatever timeout for requests | |
21:30 | just to see if the increased queries in the opac bump it over. | |
21:31 | i logged mysql queries and see they run for up to 10sec. | |
21:31 | both on the opac and staff | |
21:33 | i have this deployed on home box with ktd, and its behaving fine. | |
21:34 | maybe i should try a shared linode with 2CPU. just to see if that CPU cap is the issue. | |
21:35 | fridolin | database performance seems to be the bootle-neck |
21:36 | did you change innodb_buffer_pool_size ? | |
21:36 | see http://mysqltuner.com | |
21:36 | wajasu | yes. i see all those queries. :) |
21:36 | maybe som n-selects problems. with joins ... session update. | |
21:37 | fridolin | oups wrong link https://mysqltuner.pl |
21:37 | what is the hard drive ? | |
21:37 | SSD ? | |
21:38 | wajasu | spinning |
21:38 | fridolin | ich, database server dont like that |
21:38 | wajasu | i move this 3.10version of koha that had been running a a box inthe corner since 2010/2012ish |
21:38 | fridolin | do you have innodb_buffer_pool_size >= database size ? |
21:39 | wajasu | after 10 years the disk died. at least i did backup to a second drive :) |
21:39 | fridolin | great life ;) |
21:39 | wajasu | let me check |
21:39 | fridolin | that whould have been said by mysqltuner |
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21:47 | wajasu | tried innodb_buffer_pool_size=900M still crashes. let me look into tuning. |
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22:01 | wajasu | Joins performed without indexes: 81 |
22:02 | maybe i am missing some indexes. i'll try to compare this db to a fresh 22.05 install | |
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22:13 | fridolin1 | wajasu: i bet some queries without indexes cant be avoided |
22:20 | wajasu | yes. but i could be missing an isbn index or something added since 2012. |
22:22 | https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack Deploying with starman suggests one worker per cpu. | |
22:22 | i might configure my ktd or local kvm on my box with 1 cpu and see if i'm in the same boat | |
22:23 | time for a break. thx for ideas. | |
22:23 | i assume koha these days can't run without plack. | |
22:24 | time for a break | |
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23:41 | tuxayo | wajasu: I think it can run without plack |
23:42 | Wasn't that tcohen that wasn't using plack in production at some point? | |
23:45 | tcohen | I submitted koha-plack in 2015 and have been using it ever since :-D |
23:45 | bug 13791 | |
23:45 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13791 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, CLOSED FIXED, Plack - Out of the box support on packages |
23:47 | tcohen | I think ashimema has a dev environment they use for identifying patches that introduce slowliness |
23:49 | 'crashes' | |
23:49 | needs more details |
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