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| 06:26 | dcook | Configuring DSpace really makes me appreciate Koha... |
| 06:26 | Koha might have a million options but at least it has options... | |
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| 06:30 | reiveune | helol |
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| 06:49 | cait1 | good morning #koha |
| 07:42 | Joubu: looks like the caching issue is a bigger one? | |
| 07:43 | Joubu | I don't think so |
| 07:44 | talking about 31194? | |
| 07:44 | bug 31194 | |
| 07:44 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=31194 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, ASSIGNED , koha-marc mappings not invalidated in cache |
| 07:50 | paulderscheid[m] | Morning #Koha |
| 07:51 | Is there an api endpoint for querying elasticsearch? | |
| 07:51 | And if not, should we create one? | |
| 08:04 | Joubu | what do you need exactly? |
| 08:04 | search for biblios? | |
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| 08:04 | Joubu | oops, sorry wahanui! |
| 08:12 | paulderscheid[m] | I need to get the exact results of a query in elastic (or even zebra) via api call |
| 08:14 | And machine readable format but that's a given | |
| 08:15 | The thing is, even if I created such an endpoint.. it would have to public for my second use case | |
| 08:16 | Joubu | bug 25870? |
| 08:16 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25870 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , Add a q_ccl query parameter to /biblios |
| 08:17 | paulderscheid[m] | What's a CCL query? |
| 08:17 | Ah found it | |
| 08:18 | I have to do one other thing which will take a while but I need this, so I will submit a patch | |
| 08:19 | Joubu | it's zebra's syntax, like 'ti:your title' |
| 08:19 | paulderscheid[m] | For my use cases it would have to support both |
| 08:20 | Joubu | '=' instead of ':' |
| 08:20 | yes, but we kind of convert the ccl for ES | |
| 08:20 | paulderscheid[m] | Ok |
| 08:20 | That's good | |
| 08:20 | Joubu | so it would support both. I guess it was what tcohen had in mind with 25870 |
| 08:21 | ask him when he is around | |
| 08:23 | fridolin | paulderscheid[m]: here is the one and only doc on CCL https://software.indexdata.com[…]oc/tools.html#ccl.syntax |
| 08:23 | paulderscheid[m] | Thanks Joubu fridolin |
| 08:24 | This will be my first patch ^^ | |
| 08:25 | But guess I'll celebrate when it's past QA | |
| 08:27 | fridolin | bravo :) |
| 08:27 | champagne | |
| 08:27 | \o/ | |
| 09:07 | cait1 | paulderscheid[m]: I still always celebrate all my patches going in :D |
| 09:10 | paulderscheid[m] | Haha ^^ |
| 09:10 | That's the spirit | |
| 09:11 | ashimema | Me too |
| 09:12 | When you've had a few in you start avidly following the gitstats too.. it's addictive | |
| 09:12 | https://git.koha-community.org[…]ster/authors.html | |
| 09:14 | Aim high.. I'm targeting the top 5 now.. top 10 was quite a challenge! | |
| 09:15 | Joubu | Same, opening a bottle of champagne every patch pushed! |
| 09:16 | cait1 | Tom 10 IS still a challenge.. |
| 09:17 | but there are a few inactive ones in there... so one day | |
| 09:20 | Joubu: hopefully alcohol free... or I'd really worry about you! | |
| 09:20 | ashimema | How long was Galen around? I remember him well in my early days and he still holds a place in my memory.. but I've not seen any patches from him in ages.. |
| 09:21 | must have been super prolific for a while though.. he's hanging on to that 6th place hard.. | |
| 09:25 | Joubu | This is the git command: git log --pretty=%an%x09%ad | awk -F$'\t' '!seen[$1]++' |
| 09:26 | https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]date-in-a-project | |
| 09:28 | ashimema | interesting |
| 09:28 | that doesn't match the GitStats at all | |
| 09:29 | he active days is an interesting number too.. | |
| 09:29 | Joubu | last author commit vs pushed |
| 09:29 | ashimema | commits vs active days |
| 09:29 | ah.. of course | |
| 09:29 | I see | |
| 09:29 | Joubu | I guess he wrote a patch in 2013 that has been pushed in 2016 |
| 09:29 | which is the average, isn't it? | |
| 09:29 | :D | |
| 09:29 | ashimema | haha |
| 09:29 | about right.. | |
| 09:31 | think I wrote my first commit in around 2009 but it wasn't pushed until 2011 I believe | |
| 09:31 | Joubu | you are right, that's not correct, I saw a patch from him from 2016 |
| 09:32 | ashimema | weird |
| 09:32 | * ashimema | is such a stats geek |
| 09:46 | cait1 | i think the mailmap and stuff might also factor in? |
| 09:46 | * cait1 | catches some air after diving into currency bugs |
| 09:48 | ashimema | currency bugs... |
| 09:48 | scary stuff | |
| 09:49 | cait1 | foreign currency handling in acq |
| 09:49 | still scary, but not the scary input discussion | |
| 09:49 | ashimema | very scary stuff |
| 09:49 | haha.. | |
| 09:49 | now that really is scary | |
| 09:49 | enough to bring most grown up developers to tears | |
| 09:49 | haha | |
| 09:49 | that and floating point | |
| 09:50 | * ashimema | is thinking we should perhaps try adopting something like flatpickr for currencies |
| 09:50 | has looked at a few over the years but never really settled on one | |
| 09:52 | cait1 | maybe, but that's the input issue |
| 09:52 | my issue is that we don't store an invoice price in foreign currency | |
| 09:52 | which we should | |
| 09:52 | we need to convert it too, but we also need to store the original price | |
| 09:52 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 09:52 | different issues | |
| 10:05 | cait1 | it looks liek 2017 me filed a lot of those currency related bugs already... (and I don't remember....) |
| 10:07 | ashimema | haha |
| 10:08 | I've done that numerous times.. rediscovered things I've reported many years later | |
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| 10:18 | Joubu | cait1: I don't understand your comment on 6514, why not a cataloguing plugin? |
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| 11:06 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:06 | two cents from tcohen: what is the exchange rate ? | |
| 11:07 | Joubu | marcelr: don't take his argentian pesos! |
| 11:09 | ashimema | lol |
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| 11:18 | cait1 | Joubu: how do you want to store the currency? |
| 11:18 | the problem they have is that they cannot enter $ 10.00 in the price field in the item - because it won't get stored | |
| 11:18 | because the price is decimal - ther eis no way you can store unformatted text there | |
| 11:19 | a cataloguing plugin won't help with that :) | |
| 11:19 | tcohen | marcelr, Joubu, ashimema: we don't even have coins anymore with this inflation rate |
| 11:19 | ashimema | lol |
| 11:19 | tcohen | good morning everyone |
| 11:19 | cait1 | Joubu: they want to save what currency the book was bought in, is what I understand |
| 11:19 | marcelr | hola |
| 11:20 | cait1 | no coins? that's no fun |
| 11:20 | tcohen | I mean, we have but no one uses them heh |
| 11:20 | ashimema | I think the challenge is likely to be that we tie various functionality to those fields don't we cait1 |
| 11:21 | like replacement price on lost status change? | |
| 11:21 | cait1 | that's another field |
| 11:21 | but i hink people still calculate on those fields | |
| 11:21 | so you don't really want to store unformatted data there | |
| 11:22 | I think some show the 'amount saved with your library visit' on checout slips | |
| 11:22 | on another now... why woud this not work? /opac-tmpl/lib/famfamfam/silk/book_edit.png ? | |
| 11:23 | trying to use a differnt icon in the OPAC | |
| 11:24 | tcohen | cait1: KTD? |
| 11:24 | wahanui | KTD is fixed, but still sql error for aqbudgets table in kohastructure.sql |
| 11:24 | tcohen | wahanui: forget that |
| 11:24 | wahanui | tcohen: I forgot that |
| 11:27 | cait1 | tcohen: package installation |
| 11:27 | oleonard | KTD? |
| 11:27 | wahanui | KTD is fixed, but still sql error for aqbudgets table in kohastructure.sql |
| 11:27 | oleonard | wahanui: forget KTD |
| 11:27 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot ktd |
| 11:29 | tcohen | ktd? |
| 11:29 | wahanui | i guess ktd is KTD is great but ktd makes it better |
| 11:30 | tcohen | haha |
| 11:30 | that doesn't read right | |
| 11:30 | anyway | |
| 11:31 | cait1 | https://git.koha-community.org[…]ilk/book_edit.png < |
| 11:32 | oleonard | wahanui: forget KTD |
| 11:32 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot ktd |
| 11:32 | oleonard | ktd? |
| 11:32 | cait1 | ok, got it: /opac-tmpl/bootstrap/lib/famfamfam/silk/book_edit.png |
| 11:32 | tcohen | ktd? |
| 11:35 | nice, cait1 | |
| 11:55 | marcelr | tcohen: the lists stuff is fine again :) |
| 12:10 | tcohen | marcelr: :-D |
| 12:10 | marcelr | great |
| 12:10 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: (follow-up) Show error message when no sharee has email <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b57e669d8ba3d7938> |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Add lists methods for disowning <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5e6441edb286c7559> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5c394448da18293ff> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 31179: (QA follow-up) Set field as hidden for tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]18ae4dff140910f26> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 31179: (QA follow-up) POD fix <https://git.koha-community.org[…]801661fe879cd23e9> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 11889: DBRev 22.06.00.018 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5f92a88e776deb759> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 31179: Don't copy invisible subfields when duplicating items <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8cc24384c3ee70081> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: (follow-up) Change for autocomplete change of 30578 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7cbded234b1efef83> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: (follow-up) Use cannot_be_transferred in shelves scripts <https://git.koha-community.org[…]38bd0e9d53d542c82> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: (follow-up) Consolidate transfer checks <https://git.koha-community.org[…]04a39f071a99ea60b> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Database revision (new pref) <https://git.koha-community.org[…]86fb24b07363d3d4d> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Adjust pref description, include ListOwnerDesignated <https://git.koha-community.org[…]e201219281a5e2cf4> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: Change for patron->delete <https://git.koha-community.org[…]eb4cd3e81c70d4d29> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: (QA follow-up) Rename virtualshelfshare->patron <https://git.koha-community.org[…]85ed6b5be461dc56d> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Transfer ownership shared list on OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org[…]816f3832cfb6c1582> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Show transfer button for shared lists on OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org[…]c80e749b9e4662f68> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Add a transfer form for public lists <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9371fcc00cca12e17> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 11889: (QA follow-up) Spelling <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d0dad08755a6fc2b1> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 25498: Add transfer button on intranet <https://git.koha-community.org[…]223e455a19ca81adb> | |
| 12:10 | News from kohagit: Bug 30909: Retain permanent_location if mapped <https://git.koha-community.org[…]eafcc9e4433199e0f> | |
| 12:12 | marcelr | tcohen: please move the atomic update from 30933 |
| 12:13 | tcohen | damn, I knew this was going to happen as I reset my branch :-D |
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| 12:20 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30933: DBRev 22.06.00.019 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]dfbeb49d0b33deec1> |
| 12:21 | Joubu | tcohen: you should have a git hook to prevent that |
| 12:22 | * tcohen | ponders |
| 12:26 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #26: SUCCESS in 7 min 47 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES7/26/ |
| 12:34 | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #24: SUCCESS in 8 min 3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES6/24/ | |
| 12:36 | cait1 | hm, is there an easy way to get a marc field in a TT notice? |
| 12:37 | I was trying to adapt htis one, but failing: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ample:_Fetch_880_.246245-01_titles | |
| 12:42 | Joubu | do you get an error? |
| 12:47 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍝🥭🎂 |
| 12:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #925: UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/925/ |
| 12:57 | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1021: UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]_MDB_Latest/1021/ | |
| 12:57 | cait1 | Joubu: I think it got it mostly working now, but thx! |
| 12:59 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #27: SUCCESS in 7 min 42 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES7/27/ |
| 13:00 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30039: (QA follow-up) Change published on to publication date <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5d79330d1423b9c60> |
| 13:00 | News from kohagit: Bug 31020: Fix PassItemMarcToXSLT in system preferences description <https://git.koha-community.org[…]f1476dc5315a94d1a> | |
| 13:00 | News from kohagit: Bug 26377: Simplify JS code <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b221a1251f664d632> | |
| 13:01 | News from kohagit: Bug 26377: Show when loading the page if needed <https://git.koha-community.org[…]4f21d689caae18902> | |
| 13:01 | News from kohagit: Bug 26377: Clearly label parts of subscription-add.pl that relate to optional item... <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9aa696646db351c3a> | |
| 13:01 | News from kohagit: Bug 27546: (follow-up) Avoid index clash <https://git.koha-community.org[…]77aa3861010320cf2> | |
| 13:01 | News from kohagit: Bug 27546: (follow-up) Escape new search string <https://git.koha-community.org[…]1896e5b35abef8c4c> | |
| 13:01 | News from kohagit: Bug 30039: Add published on column to claims.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7e55af303a03b4ec3> | |
| 13:01 | News from kohagit: Bug 27546: Add 'Search within results' search box <https://git.koha-community.org[…]4a957751fafd2e24f> | |
| 13:07 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #25: SUCCESS in 8 min 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES6/25/ |
| 13:10 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #748: UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/748/ | |
| 13:11 | cait1 | Joubu: I thin i am getting there: [% FOREACH field IN biblio.metadata.record.field("852") %] |
| 13:11 | [% field.subfield("a") %] | |
| 13:11 | [% END %] | |
| 13:13 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30570: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b73bcdf284c760757> |
| 13:13 | News from kohagit: Bug 7660: Use first available categorycode when none passed in <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a1f8ed9152977495c> | |
| 13:13 | News from kohagit: Bug 30570: Replace the use of jQueryUI tabs in OPAC templates <https://git.koha-community.org[…]52f5e5b9554f27986> | |
| 13:13 | News from kohagit: Bug 30333: Move view actions on acquisitions receipt summary page into menu <https://git.koha-community.org[…]1c909d281374375ec> | |
| 13:17 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🥧🍧🍬 |
| 13:18 | ashimema | @seen liliputech |
| 13:18 | huginn | ashimema: liliputech was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <liliputech> back |
| 13:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #143: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/143/ |
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| 13:23 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #28: SUCCESS in 7 min 57 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES7/28/ |
| 13:32 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #494: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/494/ | |
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| 13:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES6 build #26: SUCCESS in 8 min 55 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES6/26/ |
| 13:40 | tuxayo | meeting in 20 min! |
| 13:45 | oleonard | meeting in 15 min! |
| 13:45 | cait1 | oh ups |
| 13:46 | oops in English... | |
| 13:46 | Joubu | ho merde (in French) |
| 13:46 | oleonard | Aw dangit in American. |
| 13:47 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍑🍮🧁 |
| 13:50 | cait1 | i feel like those are a little stronger worded :) |
| 13:51 | if someone else wants to add MARC stuff to notices: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]#Access_MARC_data | |
| 13:52 | Joubu | you are not looping over the subfields |
| 13:54 | cait1 | i am now :) |
| 13:54 | ah, a is not repeatable | |
| 13:54 | in my example | |
| 13:55 | thd joined #koha | |
| 13:55 | cait1 | it works in my template - only with a different field, I adapted the example for the wiki |
| 13:55 | tuxayo | meeting 5 min! |
| 13:55 | rmaints? | |
| 13:55 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
| 13:55 | tuxayo | qa_team? |
| 13:55 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu |
| 13:56 | oleonard | oleopard? |
| 13:56 | wahanui | oleopard is confusing wahanui with alexa or siri |
| 13:57 | * ashimema | is overly sleepy |
| 14:00 | tuxayo | lol |
| 14:01 | thd | Many bug fixes can lead to much excess sleepiness. |
| 14:02 | tuxayo | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 July 2022 |
| 14:02 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 14:02:10 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:02 | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_july_2022' | |
| 14:02 | tuxayo | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_20_July_2022 Today's agenda |
| 14:02 | #topic Introductions | |
| 14:02 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 14:03 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum |
| 14:03 | paulderscheid[m] | #info Paul Derscheid, LMSCloud GmbH, Munich, Germany |
| 14:03 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 14:03 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:03 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 14:03 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:03 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Europe, France |
| 14:03 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:03 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
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| 14:04 | tuxayo | #topic Announcements |
| 14:04 | Anything to announce that doesn't fit the other topics? | |
| 14:04 | Joubu | Yes, announcement, me |
| 14:05 | tuxayo | 🎙️Joubu |
| 14:05 | Joubu | (could have fit later but ... well) |
| 14:05 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize |
| 14:05 | wahanui | i heard #info Martin Renvoize was getting back the the Accounts Rewrite bugs |
| 14:05 | Joubu | I will be on leave for 2+ months, starting in less than a month. |
| 14:05 | cait1 | forget #info Martin Renvoize |
| 14:05 | wahanui | cait1: I forgot #info martin renvoize |
| 14:05 | Joubu | I have several things in the queue that would be nice to have for 22.11 |
| 14:05 | especially because they are a nightmare to rebase | |
| 14:06 | and I don't think I will pick them back if they haven't been pushed until then... | |
| 14:06 | bug 27272 | |
| 14:06 | cait1 | you already gave me a list with a few, but can you name them somewhere? |
| 14:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, stalkernoid, Needs Signoff , Move C4::Items::GetItemsInfo to Koha namespace |
| 14:06 | Joubu | bug 30718 (and friends) |
| 14:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30718 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Use flatpickr's altInput option everywhere |
| 14:06 | Joubu | bug 30982 |
| 14:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30982 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Signed Off , Use the REST API for background job list view |
| 14:06 | Joubu | bug 27421 |
| 14:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27421 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Porting tools/stage-marc-import.pl to BackgroundJob |
| 14:06 | Joubu | they are always the same... |
| 14:06 | (people wanted them, I wrote a patch) | |
| 14:06 | Then, ERM | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | Joubu: I will test 30718 again soon |
| 14:07 | Joubu | If we don't want it to be stuck for months, I need (at least) one or two of you onboard with me |
| 14:07 | You need to know what the current state is (see kanban) | |
| 14:07 | and understand a bit of the code (I am currently more than 130 commits above master...). | |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | this one? https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]u-koha-erm/kanban |
| 14:07 | cait1 | do youmean testing or actual developing? |
| 14:07 | Joubu | yes, there is only one |
| 14:07 | There are missing tests, missing documentation, it's a lot of code and both ERM and Vue are new for most of us | |
| 14:08 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 14:08 | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #926: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/926/ | |
| 14:08 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 14:08 | Joubu | cait1: depending on your skills. Feedback from the UI/testing, feedback on the code |
| 14:08 | if we don't want the project to fail, I need help now. I will be able to answer your questions and it will be easier for you | |
| 14:08 | paulderscheid[m] | I can help with Vue if you want |
| 14:08 | cait1 | say I have something like "input fields shoudl be longer here and there" - would I put that on the kanban? |
| 14:08 | paulderscheid[m] | Sharpened my skills a little |
| 14:09 | Joubu | Especially if we want a first shoot into 22.11 (which would help to get feedback from end users). |
| 14:09 | cait1: not about the UI | |
| 14:09 | it should be rewritten using Bootstrap 5, but we are not there now | |
| 14:09 | I don't care much about how the UI is (button too big, etc.) considering that minor for now | |
| 14:09 | ashimema | I'm out for two weeks from Friday, then have some urgent development work to complete the week after... |
| 14:10 | that kinda rules me out ☹️ | |
| 14:10 | but I was hoping to help progress all of them | |
| 14:10 | cait1 | ... and with 2 QAers gone, I'll need help too |
| 14:10 | and I am serious this time. The queue is too full already and we have 2 major QA people on leave soon. | |
| 14:10 | Joubu: so UI testing should be limited to functionality not looks? | |
| 14:11 | paulderscheid[m] | Ah yes, summertime ^^ |
| 14:11 | oleonard | ...but lots of people on the QA team list, so we shouldn't be so short-handed. |
| 14:11 | cait1 | yes, but we are |
| 14:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #495: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/495/ |
| 14:11 | marcelr | summertime is for all queues |
| 14:11 | Joubu | mostly, yes. global ergonomic issues could be raised, not "button too big" |
| 14:11 | it's not there yet | |
| 14:12 | cait1 | when you say help now, is the intention to get this in before you leave? or what is the goal? |
| 14:12 | ashimema | the ERM is an optional module isn't it.. |
| 14:12 | Joubu | cait1: to not let it stuck for several months, without move |
| 14:12 | ashimema | how tied in to other things is it in terms of possibility to break other area's |
| 14:13 | Joubu | it's completely isolated |
| 14:13 | ashimema | brill.. I thought it was |
| 14:13 | marcelr | experimental module.. |
| 14:13 | cait1 | yeah, I thnk we are having the same thought |
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| 14:13 | Joubu | but no point to push it if I am the only one aware of the code (and not around) |
| 14:14 | tcohen | we all need to be aware of the code sooner or later |
| 14:14 | to maintain it | |
| 14:14 | ashimema | I'll get up to speed.. but it'll likely be in your last week |
| 14:14 | * ashimema | assumes he knows why your off and that assumes things don't happen early ;P |
| 14:14 | Joubu | anyway, I didn't want to monopolise the meeting |
| 14:14 | tcohen | it's a good thing to talk about |
| 14:14 | marcelr | :) |
| 14:14 | tuxayo | completely isolated: Does that mean it could be pushed with rough edges and in 3 mo you iterate on it? |
| 14:15 | Does the stuff to do in a month also include integrating the Cypress tests in our suite and pipeline? | |
| 14:15 | Joubu | not necessarily |
| 14:15 | tcohen | oh, that's a really good question |
| 14:15 | cait1 | we have only about 4 months left - so close call, but maybe we could make it work |
| 14:15 | Joubu | IIRC it won't work anyway, cypress cannot work without x server |
| 14:16 | tcohen | we can have a headless X server, don't we? |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | we can use xvfb likely |
| 14:16 | Joubu | I didn't manage to make it work within ktd |
| 14:16 | tcohen | ok |
| 14:17 | tuxayo | It's a matter of time tinkering (during hackfest I tried to find a container with cypress and browsers ready but couldn't make it work with ktd...) |
| 14:17 | Joubu | I don't remember the exact reason. And know I didn't spend much time on it, but I think I found something in the official repo's issue ssaying it couldn't work |
| 14:18 | tcohen | ok |
| 14:18 | tuxayo | Anything else to announce? |
| 14:18 | tcohen | that won't prevent integration in the codebase |
| 14:18 | Joubu | that's minor anyway, if we are 2 dev on it we can run the tests locally |
| 14:18 | cait1 | we should add an info |
| 14:18 | about the leave | |
| 14:18 | tuxayo | right |
| 14:18 | tcohen | tuxayo: I wanted to mention that ashimema asked me if we could test running a vector-im instance for the community |
| 14:19 | and I will set it soon | |
| 14:19 | https://github.com/vector-im/e[…]nning-from-docker | |
| 14:19 | element, client | |
| 14:19 | cait1 | ah |
| 14:19 | I was going to ask what that is :) | |
| 14:20 | tcohen | the idea is to provide more interesting ways for people to interact with the community |
| 14:20 | testing phase | |
| 14:20 | tuxayo | #infodraftJoubu needs help on bugs 27272, 30718, 30982, 27421 and ERM before going on long starting in less than a month. |
| 14:20 | like that the note? | |
| 14:21 | cait1 | sounds good to me |
| 14:21 | ashimema | a more modern webchat with access to our IRC channel.... thinking as a replacement for the current oftc hosted webchat |
| 14:21 | tcohen | info Joubu needs help on bugs 27272, 30718, 30982, 27421 and ERM before going AFK in less than a month. |
| 14:21 | cait1 | tcohen: let me know when it's there, happy to hang out and we use element at work |
| 14:21 | tuxayo | #info Joubu needs help on bugs 27272, 30718, 30982, 27421 and ERM before going AFK in less than a month. |
| 14:21 | tcohen | cait1: sure! |
| 14:21 | ashimema | excellent |
| 14:21 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 14:21 | ashimema | thanks tcohen |
| 14:21 | tcohen | I'll call it https://element.test.koha-community.org |
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| 14:22 | ashimema | Once we're happy it's ready we could tweak https://koha-community.org/get-involved/irc/ a bit |
| 14:22 | perhaps drop 'irc' as a wording and just say 'chat' instead.. | |
| 14:22 | tuxayo | > vector-im instance |
| 14:22 | Hosting a Matrix server and Element webchat? Shouldn't we try first to find a respectable already hosted public instance? | |
| 14:23 | I know already one from the https://www.chatons.org collective. | |
| 14:23 | tcohen | tuxayo: that's a good option too. I prefer to try it to get used to it, but yeahg |
| 14:23 | ashimema | the irc channel is already bridged to the matrix.org servers and I think serves well enough |
| 14:23 | this is just to have a simple client and try to encourage people down the matrix/element path rather than joining with irc | |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | I used it a bit https://element.tedomum.net |
| 14:24 | People managing it and the other services are quite active. | |
| 14:24 | Ah, hosting just the webchat | |
| 14:25 | To have a direct link to come here without creating an account? | |
| 14:25 | ashimema | that's the aim.. we'll see once testing |
| 14:25 | lets see.. give it a little trial | |
| 14:25 | shall we move on? | |
| 14:26 | oleonard | We've been talking about it for ages, it's definitely worth trying |
| 14:26 | tcohen | yeah |
| 14:26 | tuxayo | That's great aim, thank |
| 14:26 | *thanks | |
| 14:26 | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) | |
| 14:26 | tcohen: 🎙️ | |
| 14:26 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 14:26 | Project Koha_Master_U22 build #144: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U22/144/ | |
| 14:26 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 14:27 | tcohen | #info master has had some small hiccups, but I've managed to push enhancements and new features |
| 14:27 | #info tried to detect possible conflicts with bugfixes as much as possible until last week | |
| 14:27 | tuxayo | what do you mean? |
| 14:28 | tcohen | master has seen more than 500 commits in the last two months, mostly bugfixes |
| 14:28 | I mean that I started to push enhancements more often | |
| 14:29 | been trying to mark things for stable and communicated with lukeg about must-backport stuffs for 22.05 | |
| 14:29 | ashimema | tcohen++ |
| 14:29 | tcohen | there are a couple failures in Koha_Master that I cannot reproduce locally and cannot commit time to find a fix right now |
| 14:30 | I'm happy with the QA team so far, they kept me super busy pushing thing | |
| 14:30 | s | |
| 14:30 | tuxayo | revert the culprit ticket? and the dev find it :P |
| 14:30 | *let the dev | |
| 14:30 | tcohen | the problem is this has been like that for a while |
| 14:30 | before the 22.05 release AFAICT | |
| 14:31 | and I cannot ask Joubu for more than he already does | |
| 14:31 | Joubu++ | |
| 14:31 | ashimema | this is the failing selenium test right? |
| 14:31 | tcohen | (he introduced the changes in the testing pipeline) |
| 14:31 | yes | |
| 14:31 | ashimema | I've been meaning to take a look |
| 14:31 | tcohen | it doesn't fail on normal KTD |
| 14:31 | ashimema | but I'm not entirely sure I've got my head around the problem yet |
| 14:32 | yeah.. that's where I've struggled | |
| 14:32 | tcohen | it has to do with the way it is installed I think |
| 14:32 | also, I've been meaning to stop the Ubuntu 18.04 master job | |
| 14:32 | ashimema | good idea |
| 14:32 | tcohen | as we don't really need to support it |
| 14:32 | and it has a failing test | |
| 14:33 | tuxayo | wait, it can catch early stuff that might fail when backported |
| 14:33 | tcohen | ok, that's all from me. About devs, I will focus on some refactoring bugs Joubu already mentioned |
| 14:33 | ah | |
| 14:33 | tuxayo | Or if the probability that it helps it too low let's drop it anyway |
| 14:33 | tcohen | it serves rmaints |
| 14:33 | ok, no problem from me | |
| 14:33 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 14:33 | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1022: FIXED in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]_MDB_Latest/1022/ | |
| 14:33 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 14:33 | tcohen | I will remove it from the 'Supported' tab |
| 14:34 | to avoid confusing people seeking for answers in Jenkins | |
| 14:34 | ok, another thing I wanted to mention | |
| 14:34 | tuxayo | If it still fail constantly it not useful as a warning |
| 14:35 | I think I had something that failed only Ubuntu 18.04 on oldoldstable and I reverted. I had not idea. Maybe it's the same ticket! | |
| 14:35 | Joubu | no |
| 14:36 | tuxayo | Ah it was for Ubuntu 16.04 (bug30035) |
| 14:36 | tcohen | this: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Build/testReport/ |
| 14:36 | tuxayo | so not related |
| 14:37 | Ah this >< | |
| 14:37 | tcohen | I think it is just that the lib version doesn't explode the way our test expects |
| 14:37 | anyway | |
| 14:37 | that's all from me on this topic | |
| 14:37 | tuxayo | ok |
| 14:37 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 14:38 | rmaints? | |
| 14:38 | wahanui | rmaints are lukeg, liliputech and tuxayo |
| 14:38 | ashimema | anyone know when lilputech is back? |
| 14:38 | tuxayo | nothing interesting from me this month. |
| 14:38 | ashimema | I have a few bugs I'm keen to see in the next 21.11.x |
| 14:38 | tcohen | ashimema: urgent ones? |
| 14:39 | ashimema | the analytics search error one.. the biblioitems acquisisitions on the api one |
| 14:39 | tcohen | ah yes |
| 14:39 | we all need them | |
| 14:40 | ashimema | mm |
| 14:40 | indeed | |
| 14:40 | tcohen | I will contact liliputech |
| 14:40 | ashimema | I think he's on leave |
| 14:40 | tcohen | yeah, but will ask for permission to push things |
| 14:40 | ashimema | I've been chasing them through lucas first 😜 |
| 14:40 | but i'm aware next release is pretty iminent | |
| 14:40 | brill | |
| 14:41 | I can help pushing.. just didn't want to upset his queue if he has a method for working through | |
| 14:42 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 14:42 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #749: FIXED in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/749/ | |
| 14:42 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 14:42 | tcohen | ashimema: ok |
| 14:42 | tuxayo | There could be a 21.11.x ready with the bugs tested and applied |
| 14:42 | *21.11.x fork | |
| 14:43 | So when they come back they just have to merge it and release | |
| 14:43 | ashimema: tcohen can you add 21.05.x releases candidate tag on the bug and CC if they need to be in the next 21.05.x also? | |
| 14:44 | tcohen | yeah, I try to do that |
| 14:44 | tuxayo | So I can eventually delay the release a bit to be sure I get then from upstream |
| 14:44 | *on the bugs | |
| 14:44 | cait1 | I was wondering, do you guys still work from git? like checking all commits for need to backport or do you have a different way? |
| 14:44 | tuxayo | *and CC me |
| 14:44 | cait1 | I noticed some bugs that had been sitting form around May mostly |
| 14:45 | tcohen | there's one security bug that we need to add to the release on the last day |
| 14:45 | tuxayo | cait1: I don't know about the others but I do git log on the upstream branch and process (backport or leave a comment telling I skipped) every ticket |
| 14:46 | cait1 | That's good, thx tuxayo |
| 14:46 | tuxayo | > I noticed some bugs that had been sitting form around May mostly |
| 14:46 | Maybe there was a handover issue | |
| 14:46 | And some bugs where never examined | |
| 14:46 | cait1 | it could be, I CCd Rmaint with a comment |
| 14:47 | ashimema | I had a script that ran daily to check master vs my todo list.. it would append every bug to my todo list |
| 14:47 | tcohen | Lucas was out for a couple weeks. Maybe that's why some things haven't reached the 21.11 and 21.05 branches |
| 14:47 | ashimema | then I worked through that |
| 14:47 | yeah. | |
| 14:47 | timing.. | |
| 14:47 | all good.. I just have some squeeking customers 😜 | |
| 14:47 | tuxayo | > I CCd Rmaint with a comment |
| 14:47 | That's reliable for me but unless the other RMaint confirm it, we don't know if they can process all their bugzilla notifications | |
| 14:48 | The commitment for oldoldstable it way more managable and it's possible to follow everything. | |
| 14:48 | The other have also way more BZ notification since they touch more tickets than me | |
| 14:49 | moving on? | |
| 14:49 | cait1 | y |
| 14:49 | tuxayo | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 14:49 | qa_team? | |
| 14:49 | wahanui | qa_team is, like, cait, marcelr, khall, kidclamp, kohaputti, lukeg, aleisha, fridolin, ashimema, tuxayo, nugged, petrova and Joubu |
| 14:49 | cait1 | where to start.. |
| 14:50 | queue is full of stuff, some from May | |
| 14:50 | we notice the summer time and as said earlier, there will be people on leave | |
| 14:50 | so if you signed up for the team, now is the time to step up :) | |
| 14:50 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #927: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/927/ |
| 14:51 | cait1 | I still send weekly emails with the bad and the ugly |
| 14:51 | tuxayo | cait++ for that |
| 14:51 | oleonard | cait1++ |
| 14:51 | cait1 | anything to add? |
| 14:52 | Joubu | you always forget the good |
| 14:52 | tcohen | cait1++ |
| 14:52 | Joubu | :D |
| 14:52 | wajasu | i will be around after next week to do signoffs so if anyone is in channel and sees me, please suggest which bugs have priority. |
| 14:52 | tcohen | yeah, add cool things too |
| 14:52 | cait1 | Joubu: that's a good point, I shoudl ty to point the good too |
| 14:52 | tuxayo | wajasu++ |
| 14:52 | The good as in the easy and quick ones? | |
| 14:52 | ashimema | we should celebrate successes more.. Joubu is right |
| 14:53 | tcohen | cait1: at least put your favourites :-D |
| 14:53 | ashimema | I'm super happy to see the bundles/collections work in 🙂 |
| 14:53 | Joubu | well I was only refering to the movie :D |
| 14:53 | cait1 | wajasu: ususally start with bugs (errors) and if you could look at stuff that has been sitting a while that#s great |
| 14:53 | ashimema | I'm super happy to see some of the C4 -> Koha move stuff moving along |
| 14:53 | hehe.. | |
| 14:53 | yeah.. I know | |
| 14:53 | wajasu | cait1: ok |
| 14:53 | cait1 | tcohen: I am not doing favourites, so usualyl don't want to single out people :) |
| 14:54 | ashimema | but I do think it would be a good thing to remind ourselves that although the queues often look high.. there is still loads of progress |
| 14:54 | tcohen | it is fair to ask for things you need/want |
| 14:54 | ashimema | I often forget that myself and can end up stuck in nagativity 😜 |
| 14:54 | cait1 | yep, all good points will try :) |
| 14:54 | but you can always chime in too - that's how it's supposed to work | |
| 14:55 | tcohen | sorry for this |
| 14:55 | noise | |
| 14:55 | ashimema | wajasu, the dashboard is a great place to start.. I can give you some hints and tips on workflows |
| 14:55 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 31192: Check for item before calling is_bundle <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b4f16bc6540ab47fb> |
| 14:55 | News from kohagit: Bug 31186: Fix the hidingrules test for result numbering <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d1535874fb9ab3b61> | |
| 14:55 | News from kohagit: Bug 27045: (follow-up) Fix delimiter in header rows <https://git.koha-community.org[…]20bfe1e55762fab02> | |
| 14:55 | News from kohagit: Bug 30268: Check mandatory fields in addorderiso2709.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5e22d5b67920d27cd> | |
| 14:55 | News from kohagit: Bug 27045: Fix other exports using CSV profiles <https://git.koha-community.org[…]85d2ed6de442e453c> | |
| 14:55 | News from kohagit: Bug 27045: Fix items lost report export if delimiter is tab <https://git.koha-community.org[…]cfdb8395ccea9e813> | |
| 14:55 | cait1 | we like this kind of noise! |
| 14:55 | tuxayo | lol |
| 14:55 | cait1 | tuxayo: move on? |
| 14:55 | ashimema | I tend to pick a small one or two bugs to get me started then follow with a harder one to keep the queues moving. |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | #topic Status of roadmap projects |
| 14:56 | wajasu | i'm getting used to ktd. with an easy bug. then will move on. |
| 14:57 | tuxayo | Anything from anyone on a project? |
| 14:57 | tcohen | #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_22.11_roadmap |
| 14:57 | thd | Deferred pointing to test01 for wiki testing while standing up test00 running on Debian 10. |
| 14:58 | tcohen | #info ashimema and tcohen have been talking about spending some days on C4::Reserves |
| 14:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_ES7 build #29: SUCCESS in 8 min 24 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D11_ES7/29/ |
| 14:58 | ashimema | +1 |
| 14:58 | cait1 | thd: do you still need testing, waht makes sense right now? |
| 14:58 | I saw tuxayo had left a commen ton the wiki bug | |
| 14:59 | tcohen | #info many things in the Roadmap have patches and need eyes/testing |
| 14:59 | thd | Testing is still needed I just did not want to confuse the whole mailing list by changing URIs. |
| 14:59 | ashimema | I'll be taking stock and getting back to the roadmap things once I'm back from vacation 😜 |
| 14:59 | been a crazy few weeks... but then,, when is it not | |
| 15:00 | cait1 | thd: can you give the current one? |
| 15:00 | thd | You would not be confused. The same bugs will be present but I might only fix them on Debian 10. |
| 15:00 | bag joined #koha | |
| 15:00 | cait1 | I'll try to make time end of week |
| 15:00 | oleonard | I've been working on follow-ups to Bug 30952. I'm doing some cleanup to reduce the number of template changes. |
| 15:01 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30952 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, solene.desvaux, Failed QA , New interface for staff client |
| 15:01 | ashimema | oleonard++ |
| 15:01 | tcohen | great |
| 15:01 | Joubu | thd: are you planning to go live on D10? |
| 15:01 | tcohen | oleonard++ |
| 15:01 | thd | https://koha-mw-my-test00-upgr.agogme.com/ is not up yet. I just now fixed a manual package override needed for running apt-listbugs for a kfreebsd issue nothing to do. |
| 15:01 | We should probably go live on Debian 11. | |
| 15:02 | cait1 | thd: just point me where i need to test - I'll try to spend some time Friday |
| 15:02 | thd | Debian 10 has one slightly different package names. |
| 15:02 | Joubu | thd: what's the timeframe? |
| 15:02 | tcohen | thd: do you have an automated process for migrating the data? |
| 15:03 | thd | The process is entirely automated as much as possible. |
| 15:03 | https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com on Debian 9 is still current at this moment. | |
| 15:03 | Joubu | when will it be ready? What's missing? What's the timeframe? Do you need help? If so, what? |
| 15:03 | thd | https://koha-mw-my-test00-upgr.agogme.com should become current anytime now. |
| 15:03 | Joubu | I am tired of waiting for this wiki |
| 15:04 | I have helped 2 years ago, it was ready... | |
| 15:04 | ashimema | ++ |
| 15:04 | tcohen | thd: would you be ok with us launching a mediawiki instance in wiki.test.koha-community.org in which we use the automated process you come up with? |
| 15:04 | Joubu | cannot we just go live "now"? |
| 15:04 | cait1 | I am also in favor of a quick move |
| 15:04 | wahanui | okay, cait1. |
| 15:04 | cait1 | I think we coudl still fix some stuff later |
| 15:05 | tuxayo | If the full size images don't work for now that's okay |
| 15:05 | tcohen | I agree |
| 15:05 | thd | There are a few installation bugs for changed package names which I may have now fixed. |
| 15:05 | tcohen | thd: but what if we had the vanilla install sorted |
| 15:06 | https://hub.docker.com/_/mediawiki | |
| 15:06 | cait1 | there is not a ton of changes on the current wiki, having a bit of a 'freeze' would not hurt a lot if it helps the move |
| 15:06 | thd | Full sized images is not a problem with apache. |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | good |
| 15:06 | So any blockers? | |
| 15:06 | thd | It only takes about an hour to run. |
| 15:07 | Blockers are just finishing standing things up on Debian 10 which probably also works on Debian 11. | |
| 15:08 | Joubu | when can we go live? |
| 15:08 | we need a deadline | |
| 15:08 | tcohen | thd, I will send you an email about your automated migration process. So we can test it too |
| 15:08 | I really think we could simplify the process by using the OFFICIAL Docker images | |
| 15:09 | as-is | |
| 15:09 | I see there's a LocalSettings.php file | |
| 15:09 | thd | We should be able to go live by the end of Aug. |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | great! |
| 15:09 | tcohen | excellent |
| 15:09 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 15:09 | Joubu | do we need a server? |
| 15:09 | or will we use the current one? | |
| 15:09 | thd | There are four LocalSettings.php files. |
| 15:10 | The current one runs on an old version of Debian which is needed to make it work. | |
| 15:10 | tcohen | ok, can you put some of those specifics on an email to Joubu, ashimema and I? |
| 15:10 | Joubu | I won't be able to help |
| 15:10 | no need to include me | |
| 15:10 | tcohen | ok |
| 15:10 | include Joubu anyway | |
| 15:11 | :-P | |
| 15:11 | ashimema | lol |
| 15:11 | tcohen | I would like to know which MediaWiki version is too |
| 15:11 | cait1 | if the process is almost done, maybe we shoudl not make big changes now |
| 15:11 | tcohen | we need a sustainable way to handle the wiki deployment |
| 15:11 | thd | We will need a new Debian 10 or 11 instance for live. |
| 15:12 | tcohen | and I think the great job you've done with the migration process |
| 15:12 | could pair well with one of this modern deployment methods available | |
| 15:12 | so we can team up | |
| 15:12 | thd | Changes are merely to have things running on Debian 10 or 11 and reproducible. |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | > I would like to know which MediaWiki version is too |
| 15:13 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Special:Version | |
| 15:13 | https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr[…]i/Special:Version | |
| 15:13 | tcohen | thanks Tuxayo |
| 15:13 | thd | MediaWiki 3.5 LTS |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | *1.35 ? |
| 15:14 | tcohen | 1.37 |
| 15:14 | 1.35.7 | |
| 15:14 | thd | The scripts I have written can be adapted to any future update for testing. |
| 15:14 | tcohen | ok, it is the LTS |
| 15:15 | ok, can you write us an email so we exchange information about the migration process you come up with? | |
| 15:15 | thd | Yes 1.35.07 which is the current LTS |
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| 15:15 | tcohen | and then we can certainly provide you with the deployed mediawiki instance |
| 15:16 | thd | It is all documented in git with a README.txt file. |
| 15:16 | tcohen | and we, together, perform the final migration |
| 15:16 | so you don't need to spend a lot of time making MediaWiki work on specific conditions | |
| 15:17 | thd | However, definitely some bug fixes which I have almost completed needed for installation to work in Debian 10 or 11. |
| 15:17 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍏🍍🍈 |
| 15:18 | tuxayo | moving on? |
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| 15:18 | tuxayo | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 15:18 | « thd sends a message to the mailing list about testing the wiki upgrade » | |
| 15:19 | Still relevant? No, right? | |
| 15:19 | « cait finish the LTS drawing example with 4 rmaints and sometimes 3 » | |
| 15:19 | cait1 | I finished it |
| 15:19 | tuxayo | https://lite.framacalc.org/29o8a7mlwc-9v57 |
| 15:19 | thd | Yes, I deferred for sending people to a different URI for Debian 10 which is almost ready. |
| 15:20 | cait1 | thd: I'll wait for that email then |
| 15:20 | tuxayo | thd: IIUC it's not relevant and now the aim is to deploy |
| 15:20 | thd | ...so as not to confuse people on the mailing list by changing URIs. |
| 15:20 | tuxayo | or is it? |
| 15:20 | cait1 | the tables now show what it looks like for 1 year maintenance and 1.5 |
| 15:20 | of the regular releases | |
| 15:20 | that's the main difference between the 3 tables | |
| 15:21 | tuxayo | there are 3? |
| 15:21 | cait1 | 3= |
| 15:21 | thd | https://koha-mw-my-test01-upgr.agogme.com still works fine and is perfectly good for testing but we might have some different bug with Debian 10. |
| 15:21 | cait1 | ? |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | There are 3 tables in the document? |
| 15:22 | cait1 | oh typo, 2 tables, I am sorry |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | ok |
| 15:22 | thd | We cannot deploy the wiki on Debian 9 where all previous testing has been done. |
| 15:23 | tuxayo | thd yes so having D10 working and then deploying. Without needing more testing |
| 15:23 | cait1 | I think we had agreed on having the questions to vote for th emeeting, but we didn't do that - so maybe we can have the vote next time |
| 15:24 | tuxayo | LTS: I think we need to have constantly 4 RMaints, because 1 year overlap isn't enough. Because the first 6mo of overlap are on the first 6mo of the life of the new LTS, so not enough bugs ironed out. So it leaves 6 months for upgrade. |
| 15:24 | Which will be in the wrong year part for part of the libraries. Some do major upgrade in the middle of the year (summer in northern hemisphere) and other in the beginning/end (summer in the southern) | |
| 15:25 | cait1 | my feeling is 1.5 years as well |
| 15:25 | tuxayo | Yes, otherwise the same problem as above will happen for libraries following the other releases |
| 15:26 | cait1 | so next steps... mailng list email and vote on the next meeting? |
| 15:26 | tuxayo | So does it make sense to have constantly 4 RMaints and not some cycles with only 3. |
| 15:27 | « davidnind Extended support/LTS release - send notice to mailing list » | |
| 15:27 | cait1 | the 3 is because of the tls overap |
| 15:27 | tuxayo | Did it happen and let's see what the email saud |
| 15:27 | *said | |
| 15:27 | cait1 | I think no email yet |
| 15:27 | tcohen | thd: https://wiki.test.koha-community.org/ |
| 15:29 | tuxayo | > the 3 is because of the tls overap |
| 15:29 | when the newer LTS is oldoldstable, the table shows the old LTS is dropped. So 3 RMaint needed in total. I meant that the old LTS shouldn't be dropped and we constantly keep 4 RMaints | |
| 15:29 | cait1 | then you get an even bigger overlap with the old LTS |
| 15:30 | we coudl do that, but we already have a year | |
| 15:30 | tuxayo | 6mo really |
| 15:30 | the first 6mo of overlap are on the first 6mo of the life of the new LTS, so not enough bugs ironed out | |
| 15:30 | cait1 | maybe make a variation of the table with 4 |
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| 15:30 | tuxayo | So only 6mo of overlap and for part of the libraries it will be the wrong part of the year |
| 15:30 | cait1 | and then we can add that to the vote/discussion |
| 15:30 | tuxayo | ok |
| 15:31 | cait1 | but do we agree on email on vote? then we can move on |
| 15:32 | tuxayo | on email on vote? |
| 15:33 | cait1 | we'll send an email to the ML and vote on the model next meeting |
| 15:33 | tuxayo | yes |
| 15:33 | cait1 | I see David said he drafted an email already - so I'll try to get in touch with him |
| 15:33 | tuxayo | thanks |
| 15:33 | #action davidnind Extended support/LTS release - send notice to mailing list | |
| 15:33 | thd | tcohen: Starting with a blank wiki will fail as a process for data migration. Starting with a base Debian 10 system to which appropriate files can be added by scripts on the command line will work. |
| 15:34 | tuxayo | #action Extended support/LTS release - vote at the next meeting with questions added to the agenda, those unable to attend (time zone challenges) can add their votes to the agenda |
| 15:34 | « davidnind setup the KohaCon23 bid Wiki page and draft a message for the mailing lists: completed - wiki page KohaCon23 Proposals, development mailing list message » | |
| 15:34 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon23_Proposals | |
| 15:34 | done :) | |
| 15:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #1023: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]_MDB_Latest/1023/ |
| 15:35 | tuxayo | https://lists.koha-community.o[…]-July/047210.html |
| 15:35 | cait1 | should we postpone the guidelines one? not sure which coding guidelines need to be updated and no draft |
| 15:36 | oleonard | Yes, we're 1.5 hours in already |
| 15:36 | cait1 | maybe... someon coudl just do it? |
| 15:36 | tuxayo | ok |
| 15:36 | cait1 | there is probably no need for discussion there :) |
| 15:37 | tuxayo | Yes it's just confirming and having someone to update the guidilines |
| 15:37 | But for the KohaCon, the draft is there, it looks good so who to send it now? | |
| 15:37 | cait1 | tuxayo: email went out |
| 15:38 | yesterday I think | |
| 15:38 | so that's done | |
| 15:38 | tuxayo | Ah right! |
| 15:38 | cait1 | just have to watch the deadline |
| 15:38 | tuxayo | davidnind++ |
| 15:38 | cait1 | davidnind++ |
| 15:38 | tuxayo | #action liliputech discuss koha CI (docker image built + manual build) hosting on gitlab instance provided by BibLibre's partner AFI. |
| 15:38 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #928: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/928/ |
| 15:39 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo postpone Update guidelines with the replacement of jQueryUI Datepicker with flatpickr |
| 15:39 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 15:39 | 17 august, same hour? | |
| 15:39 | For the next meeting of this timeslop | |
| 15:39 | *slot | |
| 15:40 | cait1 | we jused to be biweekly |
| 15:41 | did we change? | |
| 15:41 | tcohen | same hour would be ideal |
| 15:41 | tuxayo | #info Next meeting: 3 August 2022, 21 UTC |
| 15:42 | > did we change? | |
| 15:42 | No but the next meeting is for the other timeslot | |
| 15:42 | tcohen | ok |
| 15:42 | cait1 | ok |
| 15:42 | tuxayo | So I ask here for the next next meeting and for the next meeting I copy what we said on the previous meeting |
| 15:43 | tcohen | we didn't talk about Gitlab :-D |
| 15:43 | tuxayo | shoots I forgot "General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) " and call for anything to say |
| 15:43 | Any quick news? | |
| 15:44 | #info meeting after the next one: 17 August 2022, 14 UTC | |
| 15:45 | cait1 | tcohen: ? |
| 15:45 | tcohen | Gitlab approved our Open Source Program status |
| 15:46 | cait1 | ! |
| 15:46 | tuxayo | wow great |
| 15:46 | cait1 | tcohen++ gitlab++ that's great news |
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| 15:46 | tcohen | it was a generic response, they didn't answer specific things I mentioned on the details field |
| 15:46 | tuxayo | they are flexible cool |
| 15:46 | tcohen | they have a third party company that ponders cadidates |
| 15:46 | tuxayo | lol |
| 15:47 | tcohen++ thanks for managing to explain how we work and that even if we can't say we are non profit, we are respectable ^^ | |
| 15:47 | tcohen | and they have an 'Exception clause' by which they can release the project from requirements for 'strategic reasons' (meaning marketing, etc) |
| 15:47 | that said, they don't mention anything about the exception being made | |
| 15:48 | tuxayo | Koha is strategic yay! |
| 15:48 | (actually yes!) | |
| 15:48 | tcohen | or address any of my questions |
| 15:48 | tuxayo | #info Gitlab approved our Open Source Program status |
| 15:48 | tcohen | But I wanted to hear about liliputech's offer from AFI |
| 15:48 | tuxayo | still relevant indeed |
| 15:48 | cait1 | tuxayo: we are as a community non profit, the only thing we miss is some type of organisaton that could apply |
| 15:48 | tcohen | we'll see how things work once liliputech is back |
| 15:49 | tuxayo | let's wrap it up then |
| 15:49 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:49 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 15:49:05 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:49 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-07-20-14.02.html | |
| 15:49 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-07-20-14.02.txt | |
| 15:49 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]20-14.02.log.html | |
| 15:49 | tuxayo | thanks all for attending |
| 15:49 | cait1 | tuxayo++ |
| 15:50 | tcohen | tuxayo++ |
| 15:50 | ashimema | tuzayo++ |
| 15:52 | tuxayo | > we are as a community non profit |
| 15:52 | debatable, the community is a structure that allows entities to collaborate and most of then are for profit. It's like an association of for profit companies to collaborate. Except it's open to anyone and we have like BSZ and Rijksmuseum collaborating also. | |
| 15:53 | The tool isn't neutral it depend on the members | |
| 15:54 | paulderscheid[m] | I'd argue that most of the related companies don't sell koha rather than hosting, cloud-services and therefore you could call it a non-profit project because on its own it doesn't generate any revenue |
| 15:55 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 15:55 | paulderscheid[m] | That‘s at least LMSCloud‘s stance on that matter |
| 15:58 | cait1 | tuxayo: you can use the software without paying anyone -exactly |
| 15:58 | you can take Koha, use it, make it your own etc. and there is no 'community version' of the software vs a paid for one with extras | |
| 15:59 | tuxayo | paulderscheid: IIUC it's the angle that for libre software, we don't sell the code of Koha so that changes the thing. |
| 15:59 | But most of us are directly of indirectly making a profit on the bugfixes and enhancements we do to Koha. We sell the changes of the code before integrating them into the common repo. It's just a weird order ^^ | |
| 15:59 | cait1 | then no OS project would pass |
| 15:59 | you can always pay someone to provide you services | |
| 15:59 | paulderscheid[m] | A non-profit organization is a group organized for purposes other than generating profit and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its members, directors, or officers. |
| 16:00 | That‘s the legal stuff | |
| 16:00 | It a matter of interpretation ;) | |
| 16:01 | But I think you‘re right | |
| 16:01 | It‘s a gray area | |
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| 16:02 | paulderscheid[m] | But the GitLab thing is great |
| 16:02 | tcohen++ | |
| 16:02 | cait1 | agreed :) |
| 16:02 | heading out for a big, cya all | |
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| 16:03 | paulderscheid[m] | And of course anyone else who was involved |
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| 16:09 | tuxayo | > you can use the software without paying anyone -exactly |
| 16:09 | Which makes it a more sane model and is more greedproof. But that doesn't change that a grant to the project (with hardware ressources in the case of GitLab) will in big part be a grant to the for profit companies that contribute to it. | |
| 16:10 | > then no OS project would pass | |
| 16:10 | That's correct. Most the time it would be a big help to a for profit entity so if one is allergic to that that limits a lot to which project one can help. | |
| 16:10 | > you can always pay someone to provide you services | |
| 16:10 | It's not about what you can do. But what is done in practice. Most of active people in the community are on the payroll of subcontractors for a for profit. | |
| 16:10 | *or subcontractors | |
| 16:10 | > A non-profit organization is a group organized for purposes other than generating profit and in which no part of the organization's income is distributed to its members, directors, or officers. | |
| 16:10 | When the group is mostly for profit companies, transitivity should apply. | |
| 16:11 | And that the goal is to help the activity of the members | |
| 16:11 | It's not only about the members. But the finality also, the FIFA and the Olympics ™️ are non profits. But the largest finality is to sell us products through the massive advertising. | |
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| 16:16 | tuxayo | There is something that might change how we view things actually. Why only see the active people and entities in the project. But what if we consider all ten thousand plus libraries using Koha that are totally invisible. |
| 16:26 | If they are mostly self hosted then the dozens of active contributors working for for-profits are a drop of water. But if they are hosted by small for-profit IT companies (that never contribute to Koha T_T) , we can still consider Koha a for profit. | |
| 16:26 | And that would be the dominant factor. Not the active contributors. | |
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| 16:27 | tuxayo | So it's something about the taking the whole pool of payed work hours to work on Koha and if the pay comes from of a for-profit. |
| 16:27 | What about Koha usage then? The number of librarians using it dwarfs all the support/hosting providers staff. And most libraries are non-profits. | |
| 16:27 | Then companies making all the non-libre ILSs could be considered non-profit. Because the profits to their shareholders are peanuts compared to the usage of their software by libraries. | |
| 16:27 | 🤯 | |
| 16:27 | That's enough philosophy for today. | |
| 16:30 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:32 | tcohen | hi fridolin |
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