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| 02:21 | mtj | hi tuxayo, re 30034 - you can ignore :) |
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| 06:36 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:36 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
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| 07:02 | matts | hi ! |
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| 07:26 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30540: Fix perl critic complaint of leading zeros <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3e44ff4b0375641e1> |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30540: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ece294cdbb198be46> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30540: eval on set_time_zone <https://git.koha-community.org[…]c475492c6976b5dab> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30518: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a4632876f08a54640> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30518: Correct DateTime maths for needs_advancing <https://git.koha-community.org[…]1a0f8274a2c4aace9> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30509: Fix configuration of Notices accordion widget <https://git.koha-community.org[…]bdba5275010a6b521> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30488: Fix error when placing recall via OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6325aca5c936c533f> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30435: Remove unused MACLES cataloging plugin <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9ea2d6ba6ac3d65bc> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 30223: Move book cover image upload JS to a separate file <https://git.koha-community.org[…]bdefbbc159f67c470> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) fix duplicate, missing or mismatching <span> <https://git.koha-community.org[…]697e9ff3bb12722de> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) fix crash: SET KohaSpan => USE KohaSpan <https://git.koha-community.org[…]66cb54314bd5c8bfc> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) Fix TT tags broken due to missing % <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d42e8da9fb45ad68c> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29602: (follow-up) Surround strings with span tag <https://git.koha-community.org[…]82fcbf9205822f8ec> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29602: Surround strings with span tag <https://git.koha-community.org[…]589da15653c7c8e8e> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29483: Further improve performance of script <https://git.koha-community.org[…]e894d460ef5adc94d> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29483: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]86de5e0f4987b227e> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 29483: Check ItemsAnyAvailableAndNotRestricted once per patron <https://git.koha-community.org[…]35cc04eeda8c51633> | |
| 07:26 | News from kohagit: Bug 25815: SIP Checkout: add more information on why the patron is blocked. <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d436a17e7b4ca3c58> | |
| 07:33 | fridolin | today meeting https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_20_April_2022 |
| 07:33 | (tomorrow 4am for me) | |
| 07:34 | rangi[m] | 2am for me :) |
| 07:35 | fridolin | rangi[m]: yey good to see u |
| 07:37 | rangi[m] | i think we are 22 hours apart :) which actually makes us closest to each other in time, just on a whole different day :) |
| 07:38 | fridolin | funny indeed |
| 07:38 | for new year and Xmas | |
| 07:38 | we call our familly in the morning and they are already drunk :D | |
| 07:38 | rangi[m] | hehe |
| 07:41 | fridolin | rangi[m]: you may come to KohaCon22 US ? |
| 07:42 | i'm planning on comming | |
| 07:43 | rangi[m] | im not sure we will have the budget to go, but perhaps |
| 07:46 | fridolin | maybe KohaCon25 in NZ wooooo |
| 07:47 | rangi[m] | :-) |
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| 07:47 | severine_q | Hi Koha ! |
| 07:56 | rangi[m] | hi severine_q |
| 07:57 | severine_q | Kia ora rangi[m] ! |
| 08:03 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🥪🍭🍛 |
| 08:05 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #437: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_U_Stable/437/ |
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| 08:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U_Next build #18: UNSTABLE in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_U_Next/18/ |
| 08:24 | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #795: STILL UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/795/ | |
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| 08:26 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U21 build #146: UNSTABLE in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U21/146/ |
| 08:32 | Project Koha_Master_Sid build #12: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_Sid/12/ | |
| 08:46 | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1927: UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1927/ | |
| 09:00 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #366: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/366/ | |
| 09:21 | alohabot | 🎁 🤡 Koha '19.11.x' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍙🍛🍠 |
| 09:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #863: UNSTABLE in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/863/ |
| 09:30 | Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #252: SUCCESS in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_D10/252/ | |
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| 09:34 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #1981: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1981/ |
| 09:35 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #597: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/597/ | |
| 09:37 | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #370: FAILURE in 2 min 49 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/370/ | |
| 09:50 | Project Koha_19.11_U21 build #30: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_U21/30/ | |
| 09:53 | Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #281: FAILURE in 2 min 46 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U20/281/ | |
| 09:55 | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #455: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/455/ | |
| 10:20 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 10:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D11 build #39: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D11/39/ |
| 10:20 | Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #136: SUCCESS in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U16/136/ | |
| 10:28 | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #408: SUCCESS in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/408/ | |
| 10:29 | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #126: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D12/126/ | |
| 10:32 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error when searching patrons by name" (5 lines) at https://paste.koha-community.org/8790 |
| 10:33 | oleonard | Anyone know if this is a bug or just me? ^^ |
| 10:37 | I can search by category, by library, or browse by last name. But I can't search by name. | |
| 10:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #598: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/598/ |
| 10:46 | oleonard | Just you and me koha-jenkins. |
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| 10:54 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 10:54 | Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #282: FIXED in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U20/282/ | |
| 10:54 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 11:00 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U_Stable build #78: SUCCESS in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9.11_U_Stable/78/ |
| 11:05 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 11:05 | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #371: FIXED in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/371/ | |
| 11:05 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 11:08 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #1982: FAILURE in 8 min 3 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1982/ |
| 11:09 | marcelr joined #koha | |
| 11:09 | marcelr | o/ |
| 11:12 | tcohen | hola #koha |
| 11:13 | ashimema | morning tcohen |
| 11:17 | tcohen | hi ashimema |
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| 11:30 | oleonard | Anyone else getting errors when searching patrons by name? |
| 11:34 | tcohen | nothing changes in the area for ages, oleonard |
| 11:34 | heh | |
| 11:34 | oleonard | :| |
| 11:34 | tcohen | what kind of errors |
| 11:34 | oleonard | https://paste.koha-community.org/8790 |
| 11:35 | I can search by category, by library, or browse by last name. But I can't search by name. | |
| 11:35 | ashimema | ah |
| 11:35 | that could be data related | |
| 11:36 | the error means you have some patrons with a null updated_on field in the database | |
| 11:36 | oleonard | Was there a db update that should have caught that? |
| 11:36 | ashimema | (or worse there's a funky date that datetime explodes on?) |
| 11:36 | I don't know that there was | |
| 11:36 | but we didn't care before now.. the api makes these things stricter | |
| 11:36 | tcohen | let's check the dbrev that introduced updated_on |
| 11:37 | ashimema | I had similar issues with orders and accession dates |
| 11:37 | oleonard | I have 661 patrons with null updated_on :) |
| 11:37 | tcohen | because we (devs) use strict mode mariadb/mysql |
| 11:37 | ashimema | ok.. so the quick fix to get you working is to set them all to now() |
| 11:37 | tcohen | and maybe it is different on production deployments |
| 11:37 | ashimema | that'll get you out of a hole.. |
| 11:37 | but we should add a BD update to fix such data too | |
| 11:37 | yeagh | |
| 11:38 | tcohen | UPDATE borrowers SET updated_on=NOW() WHERE updated_on IS NULL; |
| 11:38 | oleonard | Thanks all that fixed it for me. |
| 11:40 | None in our production system so just a problem with my test data | |
| 11:41 | marcelr | there is a report in the pipeline that touches updated_on in borrowers |
| 11:41 | PQA | |
| 11:41 | iirc | |
| 11:42 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 11:42 | tcohen | https://git.koha-community.org[…]atabase.pl#L12662 |
| 11:42 | gitea is so slow | |
| 11:42 | oleonard | Yeah :( |
| 11:42 | marcelr | bug 27253 |
| 11:42 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27253 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , borrowers.updated_on cannot be null on fresh install, but can be null with upgrade |
| 11:42 | ashimema | yeah.. and that's after Joubu made a bunch of config changes to improve it for me a while back |
| 11:43 | tcohen | anyway, I'm not sure why we set the column NULL, but that upgrade should've made those not-null |
| 11:43 | ashimema | I like gittea.. but it does need some performance fixes really. |
| 11:43 | tcohen | maybe some batch import (for example) is doing things wrong |
| 11:44 | everything works wrong with a project like our's size | |
| 11:45 | ashimema | lol |
| 11:46 | marcelr | just sign off my patches tcohen :) |
| 11:48 | tcohen | which ones? :-D |
| 11:48 | marcelr | all |
| 11:48 | oleonard | I assume all of them |
| 11:48 | * tcohen | is lazy when it comes to searching on bugzilla today |
| 11:49 | tcohen | mtj: time to add Ubuntu 22.04 to the test suite |
| 11:49 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U_Stable build #79: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9.11_U_Stable/79/ |
| 11:54 | oleonard | Has anyone here looked at 30532? |
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| 12:19 | mtj | hi tcohen, we have a master_22.04 https://jenkins.koha-community[…]/Koha_Master_U22/ |
| 12:22 | ashimema | bug 30532 |
| 12:22 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30532 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , guided_reports.pl has a problem |
| 12:27 | ashimema | hmm.. thats highlighted that the versions listed on the dashboard are rather outdated |
| 12:31 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #1983: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1983/ |
| 12:37 | mtj | ashimema: np, ill send a u22 patch for the dash |
| 12:37 | ashimema | I'm working on it mtj |
| 12:37 | 🙂 | |
| 12:38 | mtj | merci |
| 12:40 | ashimema | we have U21 and U22 missing.. lol |
| 12:40 | and D12 | |
| 12:40 | oop.. D12 is there. | |
| 12:40 | * ashimema | is blind today |
| 12:41 | marcelr | switch to qa ashimema :) |
| 12:41 | ashimema | lol |
| 12:58 | dashboard done | |
| 13:00 | should we drop the MariaDB and MySQL8 latests from that block? | |
| 13:01 | or correct them to be under D11.. I think they're run under D11 | |
| 13:01 | man we 'support' allot of configurations these days | |
| 13:23 | marcelr | support until the corner |
| 13:27 | tcohen | oleonard++ |
| 13:39 | marcelr: you should finish QA on bug 28371 | |
| 13:39 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28371 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , Improve performance of XSLTParse4Display |
| 13:39 | marcelr | will do tcohen |
| 13:44 | tuxayo | Meeting in 15 min! |
| 13:46 | liliputech joined #koha | |
| 13:46 | liliputech | hi koha :) |
| 13:47 | tuxayo: merci pour ton signoff sur bz25408, ça faisait longtemps que je l'attendais! | |
| 13:49 | fridolin joined #koha | |
| 13:49 | tuxayo | liliputech: didn't I forgot it? «I made a follow-up patch to make sure things won't be changed on the staff interface. Can you retry the patch-set please?» |
| 13:49 | I though it was still waiting for me or someone else to test it again. | |
| 13:49 | hi liliputech and fridolin ^^ | |
| 13:49 | fridolin | yellow |
| 13:50 | Meeting in 10 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_20_April_2022 | |
| 13:51 | lukeg joined #koha | |
| 13:51 | liliputech | oooh. just got connected on time, got lucky :) |
| 13:51 | magnuse_ joined #koha | |
| 13:52 | thd joined #koha | |
| 13:53 | liliputech | (i'll just grab a coffee, be right back) |
| 13:53 | tcohen | grabbing some coffee! |
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| 14:00 | liliputech | ready |
| 14:01 | fridolin | me too |
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| 14:04 | tuxayo | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022 |
| 14:04 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 20 14:04:04 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 14:04 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_april_2022' |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_20_April_2022 Today's agenda |
| 14:04 | #topic Introductions | |
| 14:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 14:04 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo sh.a., France |
| 14:05 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, BibLibre, France (Tahiti) |
| 14:05 | AndrewFH | #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, ByWater Solutions, USA |
| 14:05 | fridolin | we are acutally installing Koha to French Polynesia University :D |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | :D |
| 14:07 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWaterSolutions |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | #topic Announcements |
| 14:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 14:08 | oleonard | qa_team? |
| 14:08 | wahanui | i think qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
| 14:08 | tuxayo | Any announcement that doesn't fit in other agenda items? |
| 14:08 | rmaints? | |
| 14:08 | wahanui | rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
| 14:08 | tuxayo | thanks oleonard :) |
| 14:09 | oleonard | Felt like too few introductions :( |
| 14:09 | fridolin | we may wait a few minutes |
| 14:10 | liliputech | #info Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France (Annecy) |
| 14:10 | thd joined #koha | |
| 14:10 | fridolin | ah, smells like melted cheese ^^ |
| 14:10 | tuxayo | ? |
| 14:11 | fridolin | French Alps "Fondue" |
| 14:11 | tuxayo | fridolin: did you brought back hackfest cheese to Tahiti? |
| 14:11 | fridolin | omg no |
| 14:11 | oleonard | Quick, run back |
| 14:11 | fridolin | its has been finished by Biblibre users ;) |
| 14:11 | even the big Conté | |
| 14:12 | oleonard | omg Annecy looks beautiful |
| 14:12 | tuxayo | *paddle back |
| 14:12 | #topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) | |
| 14:12 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (22.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 14:12 | tuxayo | « End of cycle dates fixed » |
| 14:12 | liliputech | even better when seen from the sky :) #paragliding |
| 14:12 | tuxayo | 🤩 |
| 14:13 | So the dates are in the calendar. What is "22.05 beta" ? | |
| 14:13 | fridolin | ah let me look |
| 14:14 | "Only bug fixes considered major, critical or blocker will be pushed" | |
| 14:14 | there was no short name for this event | |
| 14:14 | so feels like it is the béta test | |
| 14:15 | nikkom | asimema: Hello asimema. If you remember, I was trying to block the payment if the user has overdue payments. You directed me to the payment pages. I need more help. Please tell me how can I get the overdue information while on pay.pl or paycollect.pl? |
| 14:15 | tuxayo | Ok, past cycle it was named "Only > major bugfixes" |
| 14:15 | fridolin | i mean i copies from previous cycle |
| 14:15 | liliputech | ashimema: ^ |
| 14:15 | fridolin | ah can be renamed |
| 14:15 | oleonard | nikkom: We are having a meeting at the moment |
| 14:16 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City (carrier interrupt) |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | «Waiting for bug 29155» |
| 14:16 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Upgrade jquery version |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | fridolin: anything to add? |
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| 14:16 | liliputech | yup, what about bug 25408 ? |
| 14:16 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25408 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved & CanItemBeReserved should check "opacitemholds" policy |
| 14:16 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 14:16 | liliputech | it just got signed off by tuxayo (tx!) |
| 14:17 | tuxayo | liliputech: not a critical as a jquery update :P |
| 14:17 | liliputech | oh sure, not critical! |
| 14:17 | (missed the "critical" information, sry) | |
| 14:17 | tuxayo | «Find people for https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_22.11» |
| 14:17 | fridolin | no pb liliputech |
| 14:18 | yep | |
| 14:18 | we have not yet RMaint for stable | |
| 14:18 | a difficult position | |
| 14:18 | tuxayo | liliputech: It's the "Update from the Release manager" topic and I'm coping what Fridolin wrote in the agenda |
| 14:18 | ouch | |
| 14:18 | fridolin | I will talk to Biblibre to find someone (not me) |
| 14:19 | oleonard | Oh I missed that tcohen volunteered (or was forcibly volunteered??) to be RM |
| 14:19 | tcohen++ | |
| 14:19 | fridolin | yeyyyyy |
| 14:19 | we talked about that underground in HF | |
| 14:19 | super we have RM of course | |
| 14:20 | oleonard | I imagine Wainui will still maintain 19.11 unless Catalyst has dropped support |
| 14:20 | tuxayo | Not sure, we will see. |
| 14:20 | ashimema | oop |
| 14:20 | hello | |
| 14:20 | wahanui | hi, ashimema |
| 14:20 | tuxayo | Wainui is on leave for at least two week I think. Rangi took over rmaint this month. |
| 14:21 | fridolin | and if nobody takes 20.11 we drop support |
| 14:21 | ashimema: may there be someone for RMaint in PTFS ? | |
| 14:21 | ... we have cookies ^^ | |
| 14:22 | liliputech | ashimema: and nettle cakes ;) people in annecy liked it btw ^^ |
| 14:23 | fridolin | if it is still empty I will use ML next week |
| 14:23 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe. |
| 14:23 | fridolin | before General meeting may 4th |
| 14:23 | ashimema | We're mid hiring people at the minute so can't commit more this coming cycle |
| 14:23 | fridolin | no pb |
| 14:23 | ashimema | hopefully 23.05 I might be able to get more community time again |
| 14:24 | fridolin | cool |
| 14:24 | lukeg | #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:24 | fridolin | hi lukeg |
| 14:24 | thanks for proposing RMaint 21.11 | |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | np if you can still do some QA that's already the best help. Good luck with your hire |
| 14:24 | * ashimema | only has one dev other than himself right now.. so we're a bit snowed under ;P |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | fridolin: anything else from you to add? |
| 14:24 | tcohen | lukeg++ # on the QA team |
| 14:25 | liliputech | fridolin: are we looking for rmaint 20.11 or 21.11? |
| 14:25 | fridolin | liliputech: for stable 22.05 |
| 14:25 | its mandatory | |
| 14:25 | lukeg: you did chose oldstable on purpose ? not willing to be stable ? | |
| 14:25 | liliputech | ok. that one is not installed by biblibre to our partners right? |
| 14:26 | fridolin | indeed |
| 14:26 | ashimema | we're a .11 shop in ptfs-e these days.. so it's easier for me to commit people to .11 releases 😉 |
| 14:26 | lukeg | fridolin: I would do either 22.05 or 21.11 |
| 14:26 | tuxayo | Which is actually the hardest? |
| 14:26 | lukeg | whatever is needed |
| 14:26 | ashimema | there's more to port to 22.05, but the backports tend to be a little easier |
| 14:26 | fridolin | lukeg: ahhh super because stable it more work, i may take oldstable |
| 14:26 | tcohen | lukeg on 22.05, ptfs on 21.11 |
| 14:27 | tuxayo | stable should be easy at the beginning since it's close to master |
| 14:27 | ashimema | though it kinda depends on your next RM and how bold they are at big changes early |
| 14:27 | tuxayo | But in the end of cycle it's harder |
| 14:27 | tcohen | <.< |
| 14:27 | fridolin | and you have to deal with dependancies a lot |
| 14:28 | tuxayo | > ptfs on 21.11 |
| 14:28 | biblibre you mean tcohen ? | |
| 14:28 | fridolin | but its a famous place, like Prince for the RM king :D |
| 14:28 | * ashimema | hopes so.. I hope to continue to focus on QA next cycle in what little time I'll have for community |
| 14:29 | fridolin | sure, RMaints needs mandatory time around month releases |
| 14:29 | liliputech | if i get dedicated time for this I wouldn't mind doing it but got to talk about it with paul / laurence first. |
| 14:29 | tuxayo | Ah ok so clearly, stable is more work that oldstable? |
| 14:29 | fridolin | liliputech: yep super, we will mail them with a proposition |
| 14:30 | tuxayo: i'd say a bit more | |
| 14:30 | liliputech | fridolin: how much time would it take? approx per week? |
| 14:30 | fridolin | around 1h / day |
| 14:30 | tuxayo | thank fridolin I note that |
| 14:30 | ashimema | liliputech, that would be awesome |
| 14:30 | tuxayo | Lot of patches to test |
| 14:30 | ashimema | and I could certainly support anyone who did take on an RMaint role |
| 14:31 | liliputech | fridolin: ok. ashimema : 21.11 is interesting version for me, working on a frontend. it bring a lot of new apis |
| 14:31 | ashimema++ | |
| 14:31 | * ashimema | spent a little time every day on RMaint duties.. like I did an hour or two before our company morning call |
| 14:31 | liliputech | would have to learn everything. would take some time at the beginning. |
| 14:31 | lukeg | its best to do a little everyday and not let things stack up |
| 14:31 | ashimema | so 5 hours a week or so.. sometimes a little more sometimes a little less |
| 14:31 | that's how I managed it anyways | |
| 14:32 | liliputech | 'kay. that mean apply/test/push patches to the main Koha repository on the proper branch right? |
| 14:32 | fridolin | OK lets wait new week to see if it changes |
| 14:33 | liliputech: i will lead you to this role, its easy ;) | |
| 14:33 | lets continue | |
| 14:33 | tuxayo | liliputech: most of the time is doing the test plan. And some is conflict resolution. |
| 14:33 | liliputech | ok |
| 14:34 | fridolin | it is well described https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lease_maintenance |
| 14:34 | tuxayo | great that we have good leads to fill our rmaint position :) |
| 14:34 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 14:34 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 14:35 | tuxayo | oldstable has been quiet this month so for oldoldstable, I didn't have much to chew on. |
| 14:35 | rmaints? | |
| 14:35 | wahanui | i think rmaints is khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
| 14:36 | AndrewFH | yeah, I haven't managed to make as much time for it as I should. hoping to find time for some catchup here shortly |
| 14:36 | tcohen | AndrewFH++ |
| 14:36 | * ashimema | wants a time machine |
| 14:38 | tuxayo | AndrewFH: not complaining, I could QA instead :P But I'll monitor oldstable closely to not get behind. |
| 14:38 | * tcohen | wants a second monitor to keep QAing and following the meeting without completely switching desktops |
| 14:38 | AndrewFH | tuxayo++ |
| 14:39 | tuxayo | #info Wainui is on leave for a month. It started two weeks ago i think. Rangi took over rmaint this month. |
| 14:39 | * ashimema | is QAing and watching meeting on the second monitor right now |
| 14:39 | tcohen | -.- |
| 14:39 | * ashimema | is finding QA slow though.. the meeting is interesting. |
| 14:39 | tuxayo | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 14:39 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 14:39 | tuxayo | qa_team? |
| 14:39 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
| 14:40 | tuxayo | speaking of qa! |
| 14:40 | marcelr | qa++ |
| 14:40 | nugged | qa++! ❤️ |
| 14:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_21.11_U22 build #1: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_21.11_U22/1/ |
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| 14:41 | nugged | we took abroad +1 guy and discussing this week with piloting library to help with pre-release build testing for master branch as we did for 21.11 so same I will provide for Fridoling and Jonathan as before, we just will agree with another our library to help & test build and probably we will start that already from next week |
| 14:42 | tuxayo | The technique of beginning sorting tickets by small or trivial patches to get started without fearing getting stuck works great. Thank ashimema++ for the advice. |
| 14:42 | ashimema | pleasure |
| 14:43 | nugged++ | |
| 14:43 | tcohen | nugged++ |
| 14:43 | * ashimema | has not forgotten his promises from hackfest.. just been away and stuff here so haven't got to them yet |
| 14:44 | nugged | ashimemta tcohen: all other things (wikies + props on ill, erm, holdings, circrules: I am preparing, just drown with onboarding for that new guy) |
| 14:44 | tcohen | sounds familiar |
| 14:44 | ashimema | there's plenty more space on the QA team so sign up peeps: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_22.11 |
| 14:44 | tuxayo | nugged++ and to your team also and the voluntary libraries. Doing that is very valuable to have better releases. |
| 14:44 | Joubu++ and fridolin++ also. | |
| 14:44 | ashimema | getting people up to speed on QAing is something I am more than happy to devote time to.. just ask |
| 14:44 | * nugged | not forget so will bring all others to the articles once /me will create |
| 14:45 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 14:45 | I'd love to see some other companies represented on the QA team.. InLibro perhaps for example? | |
| 14:45 | tcohen | qa++ |
| 14:45 | fridolin | indeed |
| 14:46 | they do great work in patching and testig | |
| 14:46 | ashimema | indeed |
| 14:46 | hmm.. though looking at the numbers.. I see the NSO queue is the bottle neck right now.. | |
| 14:47 | 325 reports in there! | |
| 14:48 | tuxayo | everyone test patches! |
| 14:48 | nugged | I'll attract those my librarians for SO as we agreed on hackfest, I will have next thursday customers meeting, so I am ready to explain them that we wait some regular contribution, so let's check how MY (our) subpart for SO goes in 4-6 weeks |
| 14:48 | marcelr | lots of older ones |
| 14:48 | probably PNA | |
| 14:49 | * ashimema | really should fix the ptfs-e sandboxes |
| 14:49 | nugged | ... I mean - to see the numbers and trend in 4-6 weeks from us, from Finland |
| 14:50 | * oleonard | hoped there would be more signoffs coming from librarians at the Hackfest |
| 14:50 | ashimema | we tied up some of them with bug scary ones I'm afraid |
| 14:51 | severine did an awesome job of the patron searching stuff | |
| 14:51 | liliputech | oleonard: we managed to install a few koha-testing-docker on librarians PC but most of them use corporate-locked windows pcs |
| 14:51 | nugged | oleonard: hackfest - people spent there more experience exchange and socializing & coordinating & training each other, so it was anyway very good gathering |
| 14:51 | liliputech | severine_q++ |
| 14:51 | ashimema | indeed |
| 14:52 | tuxayo | nugged: I can also guide librarians to do SO. You can give them my email or IRC nick so it's doesn't only rely only on your team. |
| 14:52 | oleonard | I'm certainly not accusing them of laziness! :) |
| 14:53 | nugged | tuxayo: 📝✔️ |
| 14:53 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 14:54 | liliputech in the end koha-testing-docker directly on Windows didn't work well right? | |
| 14:54 | ashimema | should we arrange another bug squashing day? |
| 14:54 | liliputech | some training might be needed though. also some patches need specific commands which are not possible to do on sandboxes |
| 14:54 | ashimema | try and encourage a group SO fest |
| 14:54 | liliputech | ashimema++ |
| 14:54 | ashimema | magnuse used to be the king of arranging those |
| 14:55 | liliputech | I think there used to be a "bug squashing day" organized by kohala before, during their meetup. dunno if they still do it |
| 14:55 | tuxayo | liliputech: the symposium? |
| 14:55 | liliputech | yen |
| 14:55 | yes | |
| 14:56 | lukeg | ByWater has a Bug Squashing Event scheduled for May 3 |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | That's perfect! |
| 14:56 | ashimema | aha, excellent |
| 14:57 | liliputech | information should be shared on the koha-devel newsletter :) |
| 14:57 | tuxayo | newsletter + mailing lists |
| 14:57 | liliputech | (might already...) also to koha-info user group :) |
| 14:57 | yes | |
| 14:57 | lukeg | https://bywatersolutions.com/e[…]g-squashing-event |
| 14:57 | tuxayo | Who can add that to the community calendar? |
| 14:57 | tcohen | bywater++ |
| 14:58 | that'd be wizzyrea ? | |
| 14:58 | ashimema | I can |
| 14:58 | fridolin | tuxayo: it is already in calendar |
| 14:58 | ashimema | oh yes.. so it is |
| 14:58 | tuxayo | I only see "Hard feature freeze" |
| 14:58 | Friday, May 6, 2022 | |
| 14:59 | ashimema | Bug Squashing Event |
| 14:59 | Tuesday, 3 May⋅4:00 – 6:50pm | |
| 14:59 | tuxayo | oh it's the 3 may! |
| 14:59 | great! | |
| 14:59 | fridolin | bug squashing will likely be on bugs not features |
| 14:59 | ashimema | I'll start advertising it in the UK too 😉 |
| 15:00 | tuxayo | hence the name "bug squashing" :P |
| 15:00 | fridolin | "May the tree be with you" |
| 15:00 | XD | |
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| 15:00 | liliputech | pity it'll be on US timezone... (that makes the 4'th for french people? ^^) |
| 15:00 | tuxayo | nugged: you can mention the bug squashing event at you meeting next thursday. |
| 15:01 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:01 | tuxayo | liliputech: If some people to guide tester are available in europe hours, the bug squashing can start early. |
| 15:01 | nugged | tuxayo: ok yes noted |
| 15:01 | tuxayo | That doesn't change the date though? |
| 15:02 | ashimema | 11am US = 4pm UK |
| 15:02 | liliputech | that would be cool. I'm sending a mail to french community already |
| 15:02 | ashimema | so not too terrible for us |
| 15:02 | * ashimema | would be happy to start early here |
| 15:02 | liliputech | same here then I guess. |
| 15:03 | tuxayo | same, we can be here early on with european librarians |
| 15:03 | moving on? | |
| 15:03 | liliputech | that means if we do the afternoon on 3 may, we will be in sync with US afternoon, that's great :) |
| 15:04 | I meant US morning | |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | Yes, we can start on our morning in the afternoon have some overlap with the Americas. |
| 15:06 | #topic Actions from last meeting | |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | « tuxayo send ideas to have an easier time with big changes to koha-devel to get more of them and document them » |
| 15:06 | done | |
| 15:06 | « tuxayo add to terminology "use restriction, not debar/debarment" and notify koha-devel in case that wasn't a good idea. » | |
| 15:06 | done | |
| 15:06 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 15:06 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | « Vote on using Vue3 for the new ERM module (as a proof of concept of the framework) https://lists.koha-community.o[…]April/046998.html » |
| 15:06 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | So Joubu needs a greenlight to continue the new ERM module using Vue3 |
| 15:07 | ashimema | did you hear anything from batman nugged? |
| 15:07 | fridolin | I could not say, knowing to few on JS frameworks |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | same |
| 15:08 | ashimema | well.. tomas and I both think we should go for it.. and I think jajm seemed happy too |
| 15:08 | fridolin | but confident Joubu as choosen wisely |
| 15:08 | ashimema | oleonard and kidclamp both made positive noises as well in our call at hackgest |
| 15:08 | so to me.. I think we should go for it.. pull the band aid off | |
| 15:08 | fridolin | ah jajm is our JS ninja so green |
| 15:08 | oleonard | Agreed |
| 15:09 | tcohen | jajm wasn't that sure |
| 15:09 | :_D | |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | ashimema: «and I think jajm seemed happy too» That changed from the beginning, right? |
| 15:09 | ashimema | we've been circling around a JS framework for years.. I don't think we'll gain anything from delaying further personally |
| 15:09 | fridolin | even 51% sure is ok |
| 15:09 | tcohen | jajm: around? |
| 15:09 | overall we agreed | |
| 15:09 | ashimema | hmm, ok |
| 15:09 | I can't remember details from jajm then | |
| 15:10 | tcohen | he had concerns about the extra boilerplate with no obvious gain |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | yes |
| 15:10 | jajm | yes, exactly what tcohen just said ;) |
| 15:10 | ashimema | boilerplate compared to another framework.. |
| 15:10 | tcohen | but the conversation circled around new technologies inviting new devs to contribute |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | a jajm apears :D |
| 15:10 | ashimema | or compared to jQuery and our current way of doing things? |
| 15:10 | tcohen | and we had paulderscheid[m] working on his project with a similar structure |
| 15:11 | nugged | ashimema: he somewhat away from messengers these days, still not read my message. I wasn't insistent - and this went away from focus, I will re-send email him, but we found the answer those days - it's just to know, not to switch, vue3 is came through these years a lot and svelte still "so small" in community so moving harder |
| 15:11 | but I will anyway bring his answer, thanks for reminder. | |
| 15:11 | tcohen | I vote +1 for adopting Vue3 as a POC, not sure about jajm's vote |
| 15:12 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | jajm: overall, does that looks like a gain compared to the current approach? |
| 15:15 | > adopting Vue3 as a POC | |
| 15:15 | POC but still means going in Koha and be released. POC as it's only for ERM and we will see the results to tell if future developments can use Vue? | |
| 15:16 | We can still vote here and ask also in the mailing list to have a wider reach. | |
| 15:17 | tcohen | Encapsulated module inside Koha, that will be funcional and will serve as playground and we will eventually generate guidelines for using it on other pages |
| 15:17 | liliputech | +1 for the POC, but when it comes to move Koha as a whole that's going to be a lot of work. might introduce breaking change in graphic personnalisation or some plugins which relies on JS+DOM to insert new element on a page. |
| 15:17 | thd | I assume that replacing every use of jQuery with vue.js is not intended at least not at this time. |
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| 15:18 | tcohen | thd: it is not |
| 15:18 | tuxayo | #startvote Shall Vue3 be used for the new ERM module? Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 15:18 | huginn | Begin voting on: Shall Vue3 be used for the new ERM module? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain, . |
| 15:18 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 15:19 | oleonard | #vote Yes |
| 15:19 | liliputech | #vote Yes |
| 15:19 | thd | #vote Yes |
| 15:19 | ashimema | #vote Yes |
| 15:19 | tcohen | #vote Yes |
| 15:19 | nugged | #vote Yes |
| 15:20 | jajm | #vote Abstain |
| 15:20 | tuxayo | #vote Abstain |
| 15:20 | I trust our JS gurus. I didn't review the code and done research so I can't say I can choose. | |
| 15:20 | But I'm confident it will okay :) | |
| 15:20 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 15:21 | khall_ joined #koha | |
| 15:21 | tuxayo | fridolin: ? |
| 15:21 | tcohen | khall_: it is being voted if we use Vue3 for the ERM module in Koha |
| 15:21 | tuxayo | marcelr? |
| 15:21 | wahanui | marcelr is just amazed that next is faster than count |
| 15:21 | tuxayo | lol |
| 15:21 | fridolin | #vote Yes |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | AndrewFH? |
| 15:22 | tcohen | kidclamp: |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | lukeg? |
| 15:22 | wahanui | lukeg is around now :) |
| 15:22 | tcohen | Joubu? |
| 15:22 | wahanui | well, Joubu is starting to brew again |
| 15:22 | AndrewFH | #vote Yes |
| 15:22 | lukeg | #vote Abstain |
| 15:22 | kidclamp | #vote Yes |
| 15:23 | tuxayo | > Joubu is starting to brew again |
| 15:23 | And the result was successful at the hackfest. | |
| 15:23 | liliputech | indeed |
| 15:23 | fridolin | ^^ |
| 15:23 | tcohen | specially the sour, tuxayo |
| 15:23 | tuxayo | letting 1min in case someone else comes up. |
| 15:23 | fridolin | very nice sour beer |
| 15:24 | oleonard | I don't think any stragglers will overwhelm the yes votes ;) |
| 15:25 | khall_ | #vote Yes |
| 15:25 | tuxayo | #endvote |
| 15:25 | huginn | Voted on "Shall Vue3 be used for the new ERM module?" Results are |
| 15:25 | Yes (10): liliputech, oleonard, ashimema, khall_, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, nugged, thd, AndrewFH | |
| 15:25 | Abstain (3): tuxayo, jajm, lukeg | |
| 15:25 | nugged | (oh, I forgot to register myself :P ): |
| 15:25 | #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI | |
| 15:25 | tuxayo | Can anyone also reach koha-devel about this? |
| 15:27 | liliputech | I think my favourite was the pepporter one :) |
| 15:27 | tuxayo | #action tuxayo ask confirmation from koha-devel about using Vue3 for the new ERM module. |
| 15:28 | Next topic | |
| 15:28 | tcohen | gotta feed the kids... bbl |
| 15:28 | koha++ | |
| 15:28 | tuxayo | « Make the IRC less noisy and more newcomer friendly my moving some bots outputs to another channel (#koha-logs/#koha-technical/#koha-bots) » |
| 15:28 | tcohen | tuxayo++ |
| 15:28 | fridolin++ | |
| 15:28 | ashimema | good plan |
| 15:28 | * ashimema | should join the other channel |
| 15:29 | tuxayo | - koha-jenkins: continuous integration failures or success |
| 15:29 | - huginn (keep part of output in main channel because they have multiple roles): new commits pushed to main/master branch | |
| 15:29 | - alohabot: package builds | |
| 15:29 | liliputech | more humans / less bots |
| 15:29 | * liliputech | should join more often |
| 15:29 | ashimema | we should also update the irc page on koha-community to give instructions on how to use matrix/element as you suggested at hackfest tuxayo |
| 15:29 | tuxayo | So no issues with that? |
| 15:29 | Then are there more bot output to move that the above 3? | |
| 15:30 | Any idea how to name the new channel? Ideas are #koha-logs/#koha-technical/#koha-bots | |
| 15:30 | fridolin | tuxayo: koha-dev ? |
| 15:30 | like ML | |
| 15:31 | oleonard | Confusing |
| 15:31 | tuxayo | Yes |
| 15:31 | fridolin | too obvious maybe |
| 15:31 | tuxayo | Actual dev talk will still be here |
| 15:31 | liliputech | i find it clear. that makes not too much names to recall |
| 15:31 | koha-bots is nice. | |
| 15:31 | domm | there is a matrix channel? |
| 15:32 | tuxayo | nugged: what was you preference again? |
| 15:32 | *your | |
| 15:32 | fridolin | koha-bots sounds good |
| 15:32 | liliputech | people willing to check the bots message would go there, and dev talks + actual humans would sstay here |
| 15:32 | fridolin | i'm ok with that |
| 15:32 | liliputech | koha-bots++ |
| 15:32 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:32 | fridolin | koha-AI ^^ |
| 15:33 | bots talking to bots | |
| 15:33 | oleonard | +1 for koha-bots |
| 15:33 | tuxayo | ashimema: «give instructions on how to use matrix/element» Indeed, in addition to the web IRC chat we could add that and the future Telegram bridge that nugged mentioned. |
| 15:33 | domm: #koha-irc:matrix.org | |
| 15:33 | nugged | tuxayo: first and main goal was to remove any automated messages form our discussion channel, "koha_bots", or alike |
| 15:34 | liliputech | nop >< bots are no AI :) telegram or mattermost are easy to make with matterbridge |
| 15:34 | nugged | *move to "koha_bots", I mean |
| 15:34 | ashimema | agreed |
| 15:34 | hmm | |
| 15:34 | I like some bots | |
| 15:34 | tuxayo | koha bots seems to have the preference. Hyphen or underscore? I don't know the IRC conventions. |
| 15:34 | ashimema | I'd miss the bz links for example |
| 15:35 | i hope we're not going to lose that | |
| 15:35 | nugged | <liliputech> idea was to clean up our atuomatons posting here messing with our talks into separate channel |
| 15:35 | tuxayo | ashimema: yes we would keep huginn and wahanui |
| 15:35 | oleonard | huginn and wahanui get special ID cards that let them into the restricted area |
| 15:35 | huginn | oleonard: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:35 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 15:35 | ashimema | yes |
| 15:35 | good | |
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| 15:35 | tuxayo | But need to find a way for huginn to not output each new master commit here |
| 15:35 | nugged | yes, helper bots is ok, for people communications, but all build messages, all whatever-related - to the separate channel |
| 15:36 | tuxayo | +1 |
| 15:36 | thd | wahanui++ |
| 15:36 | fridolin | wahanui: coffee please |
| 15:36 | wahanui | fridolin: no idea |
| 15:36 | tuxayo | lol |
| 15:36 | fridolin | tea then |
| 15:36 | liliputech | +1 |
| 15:37 | tuxayo | #startvote Which channel name? koha_bots, koha-bots, something else |
| 15:37 | huginn | Begin voting on: Which channel name? Valid vote options are koha_bots, koha-bots, something, else. |
| 15:37 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 15:37 | liliputech | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:37 | tuxayo | #endvote |
| 15:38 | ashimema | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:38 | tuxayo | #startvote Which channel name? koha_bots, koha-bots, something_else |
| 15:38 | huginn | Already voting on 'Which channel name' |
| 15:38 | tuxayo | #endvote |
| 15:38 | huginn | Voted on "Which channel name?" Results are |
| 15:38 | koha-bots (2): ashimema, liliputech | |
| 15:38 | nugged | <tuxayo> (Hyphen or underscore? I don't know the IRC conventions) - so any hint about convestions or I missed the thread/reply? |
| 15:38 | tuxayo | #startvote Which channel name? koha_bots, koha-bots, something_else |
| 15:38 | huginn | Begin voting on: Which channel name? Valid vote options are koha_bots, koha-bots, something_else. |
| 15:38 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 15:38 | liliputech | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:38 | oleonard | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:38 | ashimema | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:38 | fridolin | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:38 | thd | #vote koha-bots |
| 15:38 | nugged | how can I now say koha_bots? :) |
| 15:38 | #vote koha-bots | |
| 15:38 | oleonard | koha-🤖? |
| 15:39 | tuxayo | nugged: «so any hint about convestions or I missed the thread/reply?» I launched the vote to have this question sorted out ^^ |
| 15:39 | liliputech | oleonard: you silly >< that will be hard to join ;) |
| 15:39 | tuxayo | #endvote |
| 15:39 | huginn | Voted on "Which channel name?" Results are |
| 15:39 | koha-bots (6): liliputech, oleonard, ashimema, fridolin, nugged, thd | |
| 15:40 | tuxayo | Also OFTC right? |
| 15:40 | ashimema | yeah, I reckon so |
| 15:40 | tuxayo | At the hackfest it was mentioned to do that in Libera.chat |
| 15:40 | But I didn't get it | |
| 15:41 | cc nugged | |
| 15:41 | liliputech | that would be easier to have both chats on the same server |
| 15:41 | tuxayo | #agreed Move the bots output mentioned in the agenda to #koha-bots |
| 15:41 | ashimema | we actually have a #koha channel reserved in libera.chat |
| 15:41 | tuxayo | good |
| 15:41 | nugged | yes, some talks (not my origin) was that to use another server I don't get clear point why (fresher, beter, faster?) |
| 15:41 | ashimema | in case oftc ever dissapears |
| 15:42 | liliputech | nugged: harder better faster stronger ;) |
| 15:42 | nugged | daft |
| 15:42 | liliputech | ^^ |
| 15:42 | if u like daft, try yellow magic orchestra, japanese precursor | |
| 15:42 | tuxayo | Ok so OFTC unless we find a concrete reason. |
| 15:42 | nugged | .. and we speaking about bots so daftpunk just in ontopic here right :) |
| 15:42 | tuxayo | Any other dev discussion? |
| 15:43 | liliputech | Haha ^^ |
| 15:43 | nugged | ... also discussion was to have separate more-techy channel for current release manager team, i.e. all who hels and communicates with release menager to have one channel and all discussion about quick tests and so on (as well from my libraries piloting pre-release master build) |
| 15:44 | tuxayo | Ah yes, because this cycle you will be 3 people to coordinate so you need a channel |
| 15:44 | (You, Frido, Jonathan) | |
| 15:44 | ashimema | we have a rmains channel I think already |
| 15:44 | we used to | |
| 15:44 | tuxayo | Ah yes |
| 15:44 | ashimema | maybe it went bye bye |
| 15:44 | tuxayo | #_oftc_#rmchat:matrix.org |
| 15:44 | ashimema | that's the one |
| 15:45 | nugged | ... and to have +1 more channel for less-techy talks to especially attract librarians to come for help and see less noise from deep tech talks from joubu and ashimema (and others, glob(*) you are) - some chan like #koha-userhelp |
| 15:45 | liliputech | it still exist :) |
| 15:45 | oleonard | This channel is quiet 95% of the time these days |
| 15:46 | nugged | the idea to especially make comfortable place for humans and human quesitons about usage, to be more brave asking "noob" questions, alike. And have web interface promoted for that channel as well other easy-to-join bridges |
| 15:46 | ashimema | that's a nice idea |
| 15:46 | nugged | > This channel is quiet 95% of the time these days |
| 15:46 | oleonard: indeed, but if you come to read history and be just librarian you'll be scared. But yes, we can let this opinion ripe for a moments later, | |
| 15:47 | ashimema | I think that might best be done once we've made it easier for the general public to use.. I still hear complaints about irc even though I personally think it works ok |
| 15:47 | tuxayo | ashimema: complains even with the webchat? |
| 15:47 | * ashimema | hopes oleonard likes that he just filled his inbox |
| 15:47 | ashimema | pass |
| 15:47 | the webchat feels very dated too | |
| 15:48 | oleonard | ashimema: 👍🏻 |
| 15:48 | ashimema | I think people are just expecting slack, whatsapp, disourse or whatever |
| 15:48 | telegram bridging will help with that | |
| 15:48 | liliputech | signal?++ |
| 15:48 | nugged | oleonard: sometimes name of channel "allows" people to be more brave when they noobs, + same topic of channel with some hint "don't afraid ask dumb, we won't freak" and also previous history they will see |
| 15:48 | tuxayo | Ah yes |
| 15:49 | liliputech | let's setup a bbs like in the goldays (good old days?) |
| 15:49 | nugged | > telegram bridging will help with that |
| 15:49 | let me anyway bring POC of this as I said on hackathon, so we will see, I just will ask 1 month (around) please, /me drowning :) but badly want to make that | |
| 15:49 | tuxayo | > the webchat feels very dated too |
| 15:49 | The one used by libera.chat is great. | |
| 15:50 | ashimema | interesting |
| 15:50 | fridolin | keep it simple, and free |
| 15:50 | and opensource i mean | |
| 15:50 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:51 | thd | People are always expecting whatever is most familiar and not whatever is most helpful or good for freedom. |
| 15:51 | nugged | my proposal: |
| 15:51 | - bots to be separated. | |
| 15:51 | - rmaint channel we have, I'll call frido and joubu and others to join or others calls me, when needed and time comes | |
| 15:51 | - let us our feeling about more channels like "koha-userhelp" ripe for some time | |
| 15:51 | - I'll bring telegram bridge like we did for Perl community (YAPC conferences) so let's see this too + we bring more other tools (matrix, etc) - so let's arise this quesiton one again in a month or around | |
| 15:53 | tuxayo | If people want to use Telegram we could let them have a bridge. We could still have a modern libre/open source choose promoted first on the website. Like a better IRC webchat and Element/Matrix. |
| 15:54 | nugged: okay let's got with this :) | |
| 15:54 | > rmaint channel we have | |
| 15:54 | "rmchat" actually | |
| 15:54 | nugged | rmchat, thanks, sorry. ok |
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| 15:54 | tuxayo | So let that sink for some time and move one? |
| 15:54 | *on | |
| 15:55 | nugged | +1 |
| 15:55 | ashimema | kiwiirc is indeed pretty and modern looking.. that would be a nice replacement for our web chat |
| 15:55 | anyhow | |
| 15:55 | moving on | |
| 15:56 | I like all nugged suggestions | |
| 15:56 | tuxayo | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 15:56 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 April 2022) | |
| 15:56 | tuxayo | Shall we aim for NZ, Tahiti and Americas for next meeting? |
| 15:57 | (can't do Australia, current DST it can't reach South America east) | |
| 15:58 | fridolin | good for me |
| 15:58 | tuxayo | Last time it was great to have some people from NZ and fridolin can't every time come in the middle of night. |
| 15:59 | fridolin | was it 22:00 UTC ? |
| 15:59 | tuxayo | It would be the 11th due to general meeting |
| 15:59 | liliputech | ok for me as well |
| 16:00 | fridolin | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_6_April_2022 |
| 16:00 | tuxayo | 21 actually |
| 16:00 | This time we make it 9:00 am for NZ | |
| 16:01 | Wait | |
| 16:01 | 21 UTC | |
| 16:01 | I though it was about french mainland time but it 21 UTC | |
| 16:02 | 11 May 2022, 21 UTC | |
| 16:02 | fridolin | 11am for me |
| 16:02 | tuxayo | thanks for the double check |
| 16:02 | liliputech | 22h for french is that right? |
| 16:02 | tuxayo | 23 |
| 16:02 | liliputech | ouche. ok |
| 16:03 | tuxayo | It should still be Wednesday I think. But not for NZ, no issues I think |
| 16:03 | nugged | tuxayo: google shows 23 it's for EET / Finland (us) |
| 16:04 | (DST/noDST because, winter time it will be 3 hours from UTC for us now we have two) | |
| 16:04 | tuxayo | Thanks for the check. I have a hard time getting my mind right about these time calculation |
| 16:04 | #info Next meeting: 11 May 2022, 21 UTC | |
| 16:04 | ashimema | fridolin, when you come to work through the jQuery UI tree.. push bug 30466 fairly early.. some of them are not direct depends on it.. but it does make them all look better 😉 |
| 16:04 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30466 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Convert serials pages tabs to Bootstrap |
| 16:04 | ashimema | i.e. this tree: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]raph.cgi?id=29226 |
| 16:05 | tuxayo | #endmeeting |
| 16:05 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 16:05 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 20 16:05:09 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:05 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-04-20-14.04.html | |
| 16:05 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-04-20-14.04.txt | |
| 16:05 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]20-14.04.log.html | |
| 16:05 | lukeg | yes! ashimema++ |
| 16:05 | tuxayo | thanks all for you attendance, that was a long one ^^ |
| 16:05 | oleonard | tuxayo++ |
| 16:05 | Thanks for charing | |
| 16:05 | Charring? | |
| 16:05 | ashimema | tuxayo++ |
| 16:05 | oleonard | Chairing! |
| 16:05 | ashimema | hehe |
| 16:05 | fridolin | tuxayo: +++ |
| 16:06 | liliputech | thanks for chatting+decision making everyone :) |
| 16:06 | +tuxayo for chairing of course | |
| 16:06 | fridolin | ashimema: oki dok |
| 16:06 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 16:06 | liliputech | bonne soirée :) |
| 16:09 | oleonard | ashimema++ |
| 16:09 | thanks for all the testing | |
| 16:10 | ashimema | luceg and tcohen got me started 😉 |
| 16:10 | lukeg even | |
| 16:14 | wow.. mind blown | |
| 16:14 | I didn't know before you could drag and drop the subfield tags in the tabs | |
| 16:15 | nugged | Cheering 🤗 |
| 16:20 | tuxayo | nikkom: still there? Meeting is over :) |
| 16:23 | * wizzyrea | looks around... hi |
| 16:24 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea! |
| 16:26 | tuxayo | wizzyrea: hi :) |
| 16:26 | IIUC you work at ByWater now, on which continent are you though? | |
| 16:33 | oleonard | I don't understand serial collections |
| 16:34 | As far as I can tell there are some circumstances under which a "serial collection" tab appears on the OPAC bibliographic detail page | |
| 16:34 | But I don't know what those circumstances are. | |
| 16:45 | ashimema | wizzyrea.. any idea how we update the history page on koha-community.org? |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | there used to be a job that pulled from git |
| 16:48 | wonder if that broke when the git repo moved | |
| 16:48 | ashimema | aha.. cool |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | fatal: unable to connect to git.koha-community.org: |
| 16:50 | git.koha-community.org[0: 3.23.183.225]: errno=Connection refused | |
| 16:50 | seems so | |
| 16:51 | ashimema | hmm.. |
| 16:51 | it should still be public accessible.. maybe the link changed slightly though.. I can't remember | |
| 16:51 | https://git.koha-community.org[…]ha-community/Koha | |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | that's it |
| 16:52 | it's at least thinking about it now | |
| 16:53 | yep it's doing a big fetch heh | |
| 16:53 | ashimema | 😄 |
| 16:53 | thanks | |
| 16:53 | that'll keep my boss happy.. | |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | this bit won't fix it but |
| 16:53 | the next bit will :) | |
| 16:53 | ashimema | prospects like to look at that page to see activity.. I tell them to look at the about page on our demo.. but it's nice to have it proper public too 🙂 |
| 16:54 | thanks wizzyrea | |
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| 17:37 | wizzyrea | ashimema: it's up to 2021 now |
| 17:40 | ashimema | awesome, thanks wizzyrea |
| 17:46 | @later tell fridolin follow-up on bug 29602 ready to fix one of the failing unit tests | |
| 17:46 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:05 | tuxayo | Cool that there is interest in the history page ^^ |
| 18:21 | oleonard: did you test bug 25408 ? | |
| 18:21 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25408 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved & CanItemBeReserved should check "opacitemholds" policy |
| 18:22 | tuxayo | You switched it to Signed Off. But only my SO line is added. And I tested the patch a long time ago before changes that invalided it. |
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| 19:09 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: DBRev 21.12.00.034 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9a8e61aae33e293d2> |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 27631: (RM follow-up) Fix missing h1 to div <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7992a1dc441753754> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 27631: Compiled CSS <https://git.koha-community.org[…]f9647193f46d6b7df> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (QA follow-up) Spelling <https://git.koha-community.org[…]0c685de11150a7671> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30544: Add font awesome version to licenses page <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b578efa77272ed958> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (follow-up) Make LibraryName conditional <https://git.koha-community.org[…]96e13961dcb4eee7f> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Add a note about WELCOME notice to system preference <https://git.koha-community.org[…]2f949eb2957ada083> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (follow-up) Add french sample notice <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ce1757f7f42f68fab> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: (follow-up) Update Notice <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ccf94562295077771> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 26370: (QA follow-up) Rename option never_demagnitize to inhouse_patron_categories <https://git.koha-community.org[…]345eb60164926398c> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 26370: (QA follow-up) Add new option to templates <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d81fcfaf70bcc6485> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 9097: Add option to manually send welcome email <https://git.koha-community.org[…]592a608ff717391d0> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Replace AutoEmailOpacUser with AutoEmailNewUser <https://git.koha-community.org[…]f6b954a431f9541f9> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Replace ACCDETAILS notice with WELCOME notice <https://git.koha-community.org[…]639c55b2c1bffa4ac> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 30237: Reference new WELCOME notice <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b0d79a2d8420e215d> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 29005: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]988a02065ac117d0d> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 29005: Add support for the command line script <https://git.koha-community.org[…]17726b5f77a60fea5> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 29420: HTTP status code incorrect when calling error pages directly under Plack... <https://git.koha-community.org[…]2f6657d5da619925d> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 29005: Add option to send welcome email from patron imports <https://git.koha-community.org[…]39d07a2257f74fef4> | |
| 19:09 | News from kohagit: Bug 26370: Add ability to disable demagnetizing items via SIP2 for arbitrary patron... <https://git.koha-community.org[…]689606fcbf3569348> | |
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| 20:16 | alohabot | 🎁 🦄 Koha 'master' packages pushed to 'koha-staging' repo 🍎🍤🍫 |
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| 21:15 | oleonard | tuxayo: I didn't test Bug 25408, I just saw the signoff lines and assumed it should be marked as such |
| 21:15 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25408 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Signed Off , CanBookBeReserved & CanItemBeReserved should check "opacitemholds" policy |
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| 21:20 | tuxayo | oleonard: I signed it off an later problems were found. |
| 21:20 | oleonard | So "Failed QA?" |
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| 22:06 | tuxayo | oleonard: need signoff, there were changes after the issues were found and the patch is waiting for me or someone else to retest the plan and the previous issues. |
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