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| 06:20 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:32 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 09:36 | fridolin | Bug 1234 |
| 09:36 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching |
| 09:36 | fridolin | jsut a test |
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| 11:32 | AnkeB | Hi, does anyone know if running bulkmarcimport.pl always requires a full zebra rebuild, or is there a way to do it incrementally? |
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| 11:44 | tcohen | hola #koha |
| 11:48 | cait | AnkeB: I am not sure if it updates/creates entries in zebraqueue ... but for Elasticsearch it might not require a reindex? |
| 11:49 | kidclamp: maybe you could help? bulkmarcimport and reindexing? | |
| 11:55 | AnkeB | Thanks - currently we use Zebra so we need to know for zebra. Perhaps the indexer daemon simply doesn't get an information when a record has been updated unless it was done over the staff interface? |
| 12:01 | ashimema | I don't believe bulkmarcimport adds to zebraqueue |
| 12:01 | tcohen | it doesn't |
| 12:01 | ashimema | that's a deliberate thing I believe.. as it's meant for migrations really.. |
| 12:01 | however... | |
| 12:01 | tcohen | commit_file.pl does |
| 12:01 | ashimema | yup |
| 12:01 | you could use stage_file + commit_file for that use case | |
| 12:02 | it's also worth taking a look at bug 29440 | |
| 12:02 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Refactor/clean up bulkmarcimport.pl |
| 12:04 | ashimema | it quietly adds 'defer_search_engine_indexing' as an option to bulkmarcimport |
| 12:04 | which prevents elastic indexing so you can do a bulk index after import | |
| 12:04 | ES and Zebra are too distinct right now.. we should really clean the functionality up | |
| 12:05 | tcohen | lets move indexing to a background task |
| 12:05 | ashimema | deffo |
| 12:05 | it's on Joubu's list isn't it | |
| 12:05 | tcohen | the ES part it is done |
| 12:05 | ashimema | in fact.. didn't I already review that stuff and it was blocked by a bunch of things I think we've now done to improve the background worker pool |
| 12:05 | tcohen | I was going to joke 'if only someone would do it' |
| 12:06 | * ashimema | still likes how refined our zebra indexing daemon has got |
| 12:07 | ashimema | I still somewhat wonder about having ES indexing happening in the general task queue is a good idea.. it feels like an important enough process that it should get it's own monitored thing |
| 12:07 | but.. I suppose that could still happen using the existing worker pool stuff | |
| 12:07 | now we have that | |
| 12:07 | tcohen | worker pool? |
| 12:08 | ashimema | as in.. we need to ensure we have enough 'workers' to take on the 'tasks'.. |
| 12:08 | else a 'bulk modification' could result in a complete staff of regular indexing | |
| 12:08 | tcohen | we could make koha-indexer deal with this, right? |
| 12:08 | ashimema | for example |
| 12:08 | wahanui | i think for example is not fixed |
| 12:09 | ashimema | Joubu's code all relied on the background tasks stuff |
| 12:09 | oleonard | wahanui: forget for example |
| 12:09 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot for example |
| 12:09 | ashimema | and that, at the time of writing, basically only allowed for one worker doing a fifo grab from the list of tasks |
| 12:15 | cait1 | AnkeB: for Zebra every record when changed gets added tot he zebraqueue table |
| 12:16 | just to explain - then the indexer looks at that for which records needs to be indexed and updated the 'done' column once done | |
| 12:16 | we think that the bulkmarcimport script doesn't add to the table | |
| 12:16 | if you have a list of bibionumbers, you might be able to tell the indexer to only index those... or what we sometimes do is add the entries to zebraqueue with SQL | |
| 12:17 | when we do bulk updates for items with SQL for example, I have some statements to add entiries to zebraqueue for reindexing the ones I have touched | |
| 12:22 | tcohen | you can use touch_all_biblios.pl wit ha specially crafted --where parameter to enqueue those records |
| 12:23 | cait1 | oh that's nice too |
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| 12:46 | jzairo | hello! |
| 12:49 | AnkeB | Thanks everybody, this is really helpful! |
| 13:01 | * oleonard | remembers having a reason for not doing authors as part of Bug 27613 but now doesn't remember what it was |
| 13:01 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, Failed QA , Pipe separated online resource links are hard to customize |
| 13:02 | cait1 | oleonard: maybe because the xslt is quite scary? |
| 13:02 | oleonard | Yes probably! |
| 13:02 | wahanui | probably is too hard. |
| 13:02 | cait1 | it's in utils I think |
| 13:03 | oleonard | thanks wahanui probably is too hard |
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| 15:51 | * oleonard-away | bbl |
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| 16:18 | davidnind1 | Slept in for my own meeting,,,, |
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| 16:22 | cait1 | oh no :( |
| 16:22 | i missed the docs meeting too | |
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| 16:27 | davidnind | and computer problems... |
| 16:29 | well after all that I think it will be better to defer unless the doc team members are around | |
| 16:29 | cait1 | i am still here |
| 16:30 | not sure about others | |
| 16:30 | davidnind | lucyvh was |
| 16:31 | caroline was training today | |
| 16:32 | very annoyed with myself :-( | |
| 16:32 | cait1 | it happens, I should have set myself an alarm too |
| 16:32 | got lost in this data I am working on | |
| 16:32 | maybe just reschedule? I'll try to make it | |
| 16:32 | I wanted to bring up bug 29063 | |
| 16:32 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences |
| 16:36 | davidnind | that sounds pretty major |
| 16:37 | is it for all of them or just some? | |
| 17:01 | weird, I have to approve my own messages when posting to koha-docs... | |
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| 17:06 | cait1 | davidnind: sorry, got a delivery - I think the schema was used for all prefernces... so the problem is for all prefernces files too |
| 17:06 | i stopped translation to German because of that | |
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| 17:09 | davidnind | thanks cait1 - I will have a look into it and see if we can get it fixed as soon as possible |
| 17:17 | cait1 | thanks davidnind - maybe good to discuss, i think different directions we could fix this |
| 17:29 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:32 | tcohen | hola |
| 17:32 | wahanui | hola, tcohen |
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| 20:15 | davidnind | cait: happy to discuss bug 29063 whenever you have time |
| 20:15 | just to make sure I've understand it corrrectly (for the manual): | |
| 20:15 | - previously you would get something like 'Don't use' and 'Use' as separate strings to translate | |
| 20:15 | - that way you can translate using the right word, depending on the reset of the sentence | |
| 20:15 | - but now you are getting 'Don't use Use' as one string to translate | |
| 20:15 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29063 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [DOCS] Manual: Translation issue with repeated strings in system preferences |
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| 21:02 | kellym | hello |
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| 21:04 | davidnind | hi kellym! |
| 21:05 | kellym | hello davidnind |
| 21:07 | did I miss the meeting? I am very bad at UTC time | |
| 21:07 | davidnind | you didn't - feeling very embarrassed as I slept in.. which was not great! |
| 21:08 | kellym | goodness what time is it there- dare I ask? |
| 21:08 | davidnind | 5am - I'm normally awake then so it it would not normally be a problem! |
| 21:10 | fridolin | kellym: we use a lot https://24timezones.com |
| 21:11 | davidnind | I'm always confused by US time zones - are the main ones ET and PT? |
| 21:11 | kellym | I should bookmark that! |
| 21:11 | yes, but there is also Central and Mountain | |
| 21:11 | fridolin | you can bookmark 2 clocks |
| 21:12 | in europe there is DST, it is hell | |
| 21:12 | * fridolin | in Tahiti UTC-10 (and 30°C) |
| 21:15 | kellym | Tahiti sounds nice |
| 21:15 | fridolin | https://24timezones.com/us_clock/usa_time.php piouf USA is complexe, there are 6 TZ |
| 21:16 | why is it not "Atlantic Time Zone" for Eastern TZ :D | |
| 21:16 | davidnind | must make it fun in the US organising meetings |
| 21:17 | kellym | totally fun |
| 21:18 | fridolin | and for servers sync ^^ |
| 21:18 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions |
| 21:18 | I can’t even imagine, thankfully we have a rocking systems team to do that ;) | |
| 21:18 | davidnind | excellent! |
| 21:18 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 21:19 | fridolin | i actually work in my evening to catch France morning, they are in tomorrow for me |
| 21:19 | Google Calendar is a good help, it shows both TZ | |
| 21:20 | we pacific poeple like to live slowly, in the past ^^ | |
| 21:22 | davidnind | were always in the future here in New Zealand, just about everyone else is in the past:) |
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| 22:02 | fridolin | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_22_December_2021 |
| 22:02 | I've followed instructions to edit last meeting page with irc logs and created next meeting for 22 | |
| 22:03 | seeee you there | |
| 22:05 | !help | |
| 22:05 | davidnind | fridolin++ |
| 22:06 | fridolin | davidnind: i dont have permission to add to Google Calendar, do you ? |
| 22:07 | davidnind | I don't - I think it is Joubu, ashimema, and caroline |
| 22:07 | fridolin | oki thanks |
| 22:08 | davidnind: and how do you use "tell later" please ^^ ? | |
| 22:08 | davidnind | are you happy top have a documentation update at the meeting? apologies for not making the last one.. |
| 22:08 | cait | Hi fridolin - did you use Joubu's script or all manual? |
| 22:08 | davidnind | @later tell fridolin a message |
| 22:08 | huginn` | davidnind: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:09 | fridolin | yep for doc update |
| 22:09 | ah thanks | |
| 22:09 | cait: script ? | |
| 22:09 | wahanui | hmmm... script is so darn hard coded and sequential in the first place it was a nightmare to make some of it work with notices |
| 22:09 | cait | yes |
| 22:09 | fridolin | where is it ? |
| 22:09 | cait | it's all automated |
| 22:09 | best if you ask Joubu or maybe ashimema | |
| 22:09 | it also adds the 'actions from last meeting' in | |
| 22:09 | fridolin | sure, thanks |
| 22:10 | cait | and i think we maybe want to updatte the template used for the docs update |
| 22:10 | fridolin | https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-meetings i bet |
| 22:10 | cait | it's possible :) |
| 22:12 | fridolin | @later tell Joubu can you give me a hand on https://gitlab.com/koha-community/koha-meetings and permissions to edit calendar and this repo (thanks a lot) |
| 22:12 | huginn` | fridolin: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:12 | fridolin | rocks ! |
| 22:15 | cait | and if there is old information on the wiki, we should probably update it |
| 22:15 | it never ends, right? | |
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| 22:25 | fridolin | sure |
| 22:26 | cait | fridolin: hope to get the bug clean-up done next week - stlil on my list |
| 22:26 | fridolin | yep when you can |
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