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| 01:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #334: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U16/334/ |
| 01:40 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 01:40 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 01:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #371: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U20/371/ |
| 02:12 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 02:12 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 02:12 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #323: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.05_D9/323/ |
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| 06:16 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:43 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 06:43 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
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| 07:25 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 14957: DBIC changes - Remove MarcOverlayRulesModule.pm <https://git.koha-community.org[…]e066b7e2a20ce018c> |
| 07:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 14957: Fix perlcritic error on admin/marc-overlay-rules.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]fd6cc5390765d8286> | |
| 07:25 | News from kohagit: Bug 27526: Correct NULL vs empty string when editing <https://git.koha-community.org[…]b151d949e9a0835c8> | |
| 07:44 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #222: FAILURE in 15 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/222/ |
| 07:49 | magnuse joined #koha | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | sweden has declared a national holiday to celebrate bug 14957 |
| 07:49 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14957 new feature, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Pushed to master , Write protecting MARC fields based on source of import |
| 07:49 | magnuse | ;-) |
| 07:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #53: FAILURE in 7 min 58 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D12/53/ |
| 07:53 | ashimema | morning #koha:matrix.org |
| 07:56 | cait1 | good morning all |
| 07:56 | magnuse: can I join? :) | |
| 07:59 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 07:59 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 07:59 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11 build #428: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/428/ |
| 08:01 | magnuse | cait1: yes, let's make it a global holiday! |
| 08:08 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:08 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:08 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_My8 build #676: FIXED in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ster_D11_My8/676/ |
| 08:12 | Joubu | spent 1 hour to fix a bug that is not a bug... |
| 08:13 | oleonard was lying | |
| 08:13 | Do we want to batch mod itemlost for items? | |
| 08:18 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:18 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:18 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_MDB_Latest build #711: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]1_MDB_Latest/711/ |
| 08:22 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 08:22 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:22 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11_CPAN build #459: FIXED in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D11_CPAN/459/ |
| 08:25 | Joubu | bug 29331 |
| 08:25 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29331 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Batch edit items.itemlost |
| 08:25 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:25 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #295: FIXED in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_U_Stable/295/ |
| 08:30 | magnuse | @quote get 123 |
| 08:30 | huginn` | magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 08:30 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
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| 08:33 | mkuhn | Hi |
| 08:33 | wahanui | que tal, mkuhn |
| 08:33 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:33 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:33 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U21 build #8: FIXED in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_U21/8/ |
| 08:34 | mkuhn | What time is it? |
| 08:48 | ashimema | depends where in the world you are |
| 08:50 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:50 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:50 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1802: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1802/ |
| 09:08 | cait1 | (10:13:45) Joubu: Do we want to batch mod itemlost for items? - yes please |
| 09:08 | i had a case where they did inventory and wanted to have all the missing ones marked lost | |
| 09:10 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1803: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1803/ |
| 09:11 | Joubu | cait1: but we remove the lost status for the items that have been batch mod :) |
| 09:11 | cait1: please comment on the bug | |
| 09:11 | bug 29331 | |
| 09:11 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29331 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Batch edit items.itemlost |
| 09:11 | cait1 | oh |
| 09:12 | will do | |
| 09:12 | Joubu | There is another question about the subfields marked as hidden from the editor, should we display them for the batch mod? |
| 09:12 | /from the editor/for the editor/ | |
| 09:14 | cait1 | commented, hope it makes sense, there was not a lot of info on the bug |
| 09:14 | I believe not displayig them would be ok | |
| 09:15 | i wonder what could be filled in but not visible in the editor... but thinkign about things like the number of issues an item had etc... if they didn't show before (pretty sure about that) we shoudln't open that can of worms now | |
| 09:16 | commented on that too... | |
| 09:21 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 09:21 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 09:21 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #54: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D12/54/ |
| 09:24 | Project Koha_Master build #1796: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1796/ | |
| 09:32 | mtj | hi Joubu, ill take a look at jen6 nowish |
| 09:33 | i stopped rebooting it, so i can debug it broken | |
| 09:34 | "Error response from daemon: You cannot remove a running container 977a614ba7feb5d98abaa0bf56d9268fd518d7150b01d1f5708e0b79faf1db0f. Stop the container before attempting removal or force remove" | |
| 09:34 | ^... i wonder if fixing those errors will solve the memcached error | |
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| 09:57 | mtj | Joubu: i'll attempt to fix jen6, using master_d12 with a more aggressive build.pl |
| 10:01 | Joubu | mtj: yep |
| 10:02 | mtj: the docker_cleanup sub looks quite aggressive already | |
| 10:02 | mtj | agrees :) |
| 10:05 | oleonard | I wasn't lying about batch mod, Joubu! |
| 10:06 | Joubu | oleonard: I've tried with 21.05 and "Lost" was not displayed on the batch mod form |
| 10:07 | Also I noticed that we are removing the lost status for the items we are processing | |
| 10:07 | I think that were the behaviours pre-28445 | |
| 10:08 | oleonard | Bug 28445 |
| 10:08 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28445 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, RESOLVED FIXED, Use the task queue for the batch delete and update items tool |
| 10:09 | oleonard | Here's a screenshot from our production system, 20.05.14 https://snipboard.io/EA6nRp.jpg |
| 10:36 | Joubu | oleonard: ok I will check again on an earlier version then. Is itemlost marked as visibile in the framework? |
| 10:38 | oleonard | Yes |
| 10:41 | ashimema | hmmm |
| 10:41 | the additional contents blocks stuff | |
| 10:42 | is the branch filtering meant to work prior to login at all? | |
| 10:42 | I'm testing at the moment and finding that it displays all libraries news.. that doesn't feel right somehow. | |
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| 10:55 | ashimema | bug 29332.. feels like a major to me 😉 |
| 10:55 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29332 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , AdditionalContents displays blocks for all libraries prior to login |
| 11:03 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #1: ABORTED in 20 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/1/ |
| 11:07 | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #2: FAILURE in 3 min 21 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/2/ | |
| 11:10 | ashimema | oleonard.. do you agree with bug 29332 ? |
| 11:10 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29332 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , AdditionalContents displays blocks for all libraries prior to login |
| 11:10 | * ashimema | goes for a quick walk.. bbiab |
| 11:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #3: STILL FAILING in 3 min 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/3/ |
| 11:22 | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #4: ABORTED in 7 min 13 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/4/ | |
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| 11:23 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 11:23 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #5: ABORTED in 1 min 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/5/ |
| 11:24 | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #6: ABORTED in 18 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/6/ | |
| 11:24 | tcohen | hola |
| 11:24 | wahanui | hey, tcohen |
| 11:25 | oleonard | I'm staring off my morning this way: "Oh hey look at that new feature you didn't know existed! When did that get added?" Checking the bug... Oh I signed off on it :| |
| 11:27 | tcohen | Joubu ashimema bug 29325 |
| 11:27 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29325 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , commit_file.pl error 'Already in a transaction' |
| 11:27 | tcohen | I didn't find a way to properly debug the forked process in the UI |
| 11:27 | ideas? | |
| 11:27 | wahanui | ideas are good! |
| 11:28 | tcohen | hint: my patch breaks it |
| 11:29 | ashimema | Will take a look once back from walk |
| 11:30 | marcelr | the forked stuff and Plack dont like each other |
| 11:31 | tcohen | just tell me how to find any warn I add heh |
| 11:31 | that'd be a start | |
| 11:31 | marcelr | add them on the right place, is important :) |
| 11:31 | tcohen | was thinking just moving to the new background jobs, but this is hurting 21.05 |
| 11:32 | so needs to be backportable | |
| 11:33 | cait1: bug 29272 is ready with the required follow-up | |
| 11:33 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29272 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , API not respecting $category->effective_change_password |
| 11:44 | marcelr | tcohen 27358 ok, you might wanna test 28943 now ;) |
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| 11:45 | tcohen | sure |
| 11:47 | jzairo | morning |
| 11:47 | wahanui | morning is always someone's afternoon |
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| 11:56 | marcelr | hmm Koha/UI/Form/Builder/Item.pm |
| 11:56 | ashimema | morning jzairo |
| 11:56 | marcelr | author didnt add his name, haha; we know him anyway |
| 11:57 | ashimema | ? |
| 11:57 | marcelr | ^ |
| 11:57 | jzairo | hi ashimema |
| 11:57 | ashimema | nice ot see you here 🙂 |
| 11:58 | jzairo | :) |
| 11:59 | cait1 | ashimema: all libraries should display without login, all branch specific ones did only display after login before the switch |
| 11:59 | * cait1 | waves at jzairo |
| 11:59 | cait1 | i think i didn#t do my homework for this meeting :( |
| 11:59 | ashimema | huh |
| 12:00 | my brain hurts | |
| 12:00 | do you mean the 'All libraries' option should display regardless and branch specific ones should only display when the branch is passed? | |
| 12:00 | or.. | |
| 12:01 | 'All libraries' and 'Any branch specific' should display when not branch is selected? | |
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| 12:02 | jzairo | hi cait |
| 12:03 | cait1 | all librareis shoudl always display |
| 12:03 | unless you tell it to only show branch specific | |
| 12:03 | i think there is ap ull down or something | |
| 12:03 | jzairo: maybe a good question for you too - about when which news displays | |
| 12:05 | ashimema | I'm confused |
| 12:06 | cait1 | ashimema: why? |
| 12:06 | jzairo | I would say ‘All Libraries’ should display without login, usually for general messages. Then all branch specific ones should display after the user logs in |
| 12:06 | cait1 | jzairo: but at this point, should the all libraries go away? |
| 12:06 | ashimema | I think 'All libraries' should always display.. regardless of whether there's a branch selected or not (branch selection can be either a login or if you've enabled the pref that allows selecting the branch). |
| 12:06 | cait1 | i feel it's not the case now, but would have to run test on our 18.11 |
| 12:07 | my feeling is that something important would be added for all libraries... so logging in should not make it go away | |
| 12:07 | ashimema | my point is that right now.. if we're not logged in (i.e. no branch is selected) we see every item.. those that are marked as 'All libraries' and every single branch specific one too |
| 12:07 | cait1 | yeah taht's a change in ehaviour |
| 12:07 | it shoudl not show the branch specific | |
| 12:08 | ashimema | right.. |
| 12:08 | that's what my bug report is about | |
| 12:08 | it's hard to describe 😉 | |
| 12:09 | bug 29332 | |
| 12:09 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29332 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , AdditionalContents displays blocks for every library prior to login |
| 12:09 | cait1 | i feel like that migh be a duplicate |
| 12:09 | to one of the bugs on my major list i sent you every week... | |
| 12:10 | you = QA team | |
| 12:11 | bug 28698 | |
| 12:11 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28698 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , News for all displays in all locations |
| 12:11 | cait1 | hm a little different, but same area |
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| 12:14 | marcelr | bug 29146 is ready for your testing |
| 12:14 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29146 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , Should framework default values be applied to existing biblios and items? |
| 12:16 | ashimema | ah.. I'm out of touch with that one cait |
| 12:16 | sorta same area.. but totally different code as 21.11/master did a Koha:: rewrite | |
| 12:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #7: STILL FAILING in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/7/ |
| 12:18 | cait1 | ah that one was before? maybe can be closed then |
| 12:18 | I am just really running out of time here again :( | |
| 12:22 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 12:22 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 12:22 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U16 build #335: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U16/335/ |
| 12:26 | Joubu | I am stuck |
| 12:26 | Anyone familiar with www/search_utf8.t? | |
| 12:26 | tcohen | me |
| 12:26 | Joubu | yes but I PMed you! :D |
| 12:26 | tcohen | and Zeno |
| 12:26 | Joubu | pm me |
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| 12:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #223: ABORTED in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/223/ |
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| 13:15 | Joubu | oleonard: tried again the lost batch mod. If I set 952$1 visible for the editor I see it in the batch mod form and I am able to change the value |
| 13:16 | oleonard: can you try on master and detail what's not working for you please? | |
| 13:18 | oleonard: However, if itemlost was "0", you cannot mark it as lost | |
| 13:18 | but it shouldn't be caused by 28445 | |
| 13:20 | oleonard: see bug 12311 | |
| 13:20 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12311 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, Batch modification of checked out and lost items checks them in |
| 13:21 | Joubu | the LostItem call exists there since this bug (pushed long time ago) |
| 13:29 | cait1 | hm the returning shoud depend on the pref |
| 13:29 | but that bug doesn't say anything about what it shoudl do with items lost being batch editd? | |
| 13:30 | i understaood that the lost woudl be removed (that I think would be a bug) | |
| 13:32 | Joubu | indeed |
| 13:32 | Bug 12311: Do not return a lost item if modified in a batch | |
| 13:32 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=12311 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, CLOSED FIXED, Batch modification of checked out and lost items checks them in |
| 13:32 | Joubu | - LostItem($itemnumber, 'MARK RETURNED') if $item->{itemlost}; |
| 13:32 | + LostItem($itemnumber, 'MARK RETURNED') if $item->{itemlost} and not $itemdata->{itemlost}; | |
| 13:32 | it's not only checking it in | |
| 13:33 | This behaviour has 6 years however | |
| 13:34 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 13:34 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 13:34 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #8: FIXED in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D12/8/ |
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| 13:46 | Joubu | dev meeting in 15 |
| 13:46 | cait1 | :) |
| 13:47 | ashimema | time flies |
| 13:48 | cait1 | yeah, sadly |
| 13:48 | * cait1 | galres at her to do list for today |
| 13:48 | * ashimema | hasn't actually started on his todo list for today yet! |
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| 13:56 | oleonard | Joubu: Batch mod can change itemlost but only if it != 0? |
| 13:59 | Joubu | I think so |
| 13:59 | oleonard | I'm confused...that is intentional? |
| 14:00 | Joubu | I don't know |
| 14:00 | I am not sure | |
| 14:00 | but it's a long standing behaviour apparently (reading git log) | |
| 14:01 | the change I pasted above is saying "do not return lost item if". It does not say anything about the lost status | |
| 14:01 | wait | |
| 14:01 | I am wrong | |
| 14:01 | nugged | (we have also one issue with itemlost which prevented cron script to remind people return books which "lost") |
| 14:01 | Joubu | meeting, see that later |
| 14:02 | cait1 | oh right |
| 14:02 | Joubu | LostItem is not effectively marking the item as lost |
| 14:02 | cait1 | jzairo: do you want to? |
| 14:02 | Joubu | that confuses me every time |
| 14:02 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021 | |
| 14:02 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Oct 27 14:02:59 2021 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:02 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_27_october_2021' |
| 14:03 | Joubu | #chair jzairo |
| 14:03 | huginn` | Current chairs: Joubu jzairo |
| 14:03 | Joubu | #chair cait |
| 14:03 | huginn` | Warning: Nick not in channel: cait |
| 14:03 | Current chairs: Joubu cait jzairo | |
| 14:03 | Joubu | #chair cait1 |
| 14:03 | huginn` | Current chairs: Joubu cait cait1 jzairo |
| 14:03 | Joubu | #topic Introductions |
| 14:03 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:03 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 14:03 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, The Netherlands |
| 14:03 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 14:03 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 14:03 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:03 | Joubu | qa_team? |
| 14:03 | wahanui | i guess qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged |
| 14:03 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 14:03 | nugged | #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
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| 14:04 | Joubu | The agenda is full! |
| 14:04 | petrova | #info Peter (Petro) Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo International Unlimited, France |
| 14:04 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_27_October_2021 |
| 14:04 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 14:04 | davidnind | #info David Nind, New Zealand |
| 14:04 | cait1 | davidnind++ |
| 14:04 | jzairo | #info Jessica Zairo, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:05 | cait1 | 3am! |
| 14:05 | davidnind | I happened to be awake! |
| 14:05 | nugged | 🤗 |
| 14:06 | oleonard | davidnind++ |
| 14:06 | marcelr | keep awake david |
| 14:06 | Joubu | jzairo: do want to chair? |
| 14:07 | #topic Announcements | |
| 14:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:07 | * cait1 | sends davidnind some hot coffee and dark chocolate |
| 14:07 | Joubu | Anyone have something? |
| 14:07 | cait1 | deadlines maybe? |
| 14:07 | davidnind | thanks cait1! |
| 14:07 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | KohaCon: I got the confirmation that it will be in-person only :( |
| 14:07 | Joubu | cait1: yes, after |
| 14:07 | jzairo | sure, I will give it a shot |
| 14:07 | Joubu | tuxayo: from who? |
| 14:08 | tuxayo | kohapakistan [AT] gmail.com |
| 14:08 | I think it's Sher | |
| 14:08 | oleonard | Duplicate announcements to the Koha list and neither mentions in-person only :( |
| 14:09 | Joubu | please fwd the email to "some of us" |
| 14:09 | tuxayo | ok! |
| 14:09 | fridolin joined #koha | |
| 14:09 | ashimema | indeed |
| 14:09 | fridolin | hi |
| 14:09 | Joubu | continuing with my section then letting the meeting in other hands |
| 14:10 | #topic Update from the Release Manager (21.11) | |
| 14:10 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (21.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:10 | Joubu | I don't have much to say. Nothing different from the usual. |
| 14:10 | thd | Perhaps someone could reach them with an offer to support a remote conference effort. |
| 14:10 | tuxayo | fridolin: hi :D |
| 14:10 | Joubu | * Feature freeze is end of the week! |
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| 14:10 | Joubu | Release dates sent to the list: |
| 14:10 | Oct 29th - "Soft" feature freeze, nothing big or with high risk of side-effects will be included into the final release if not marked as Passed QA | |
| 14:10 | Nov 3-5 - "Hard" feature freeze, nothing considered as an improvement will be pushed if not marked as Passed QA | |
| 14:10 | Nov 10th - String freeze, draft of release notes published | |
| 14:10 | Nov 17th - Only bug fixes considered major, critical or blocker will be pushed | |
| 14:10 | Nov 26th - Final release | |
| 14:10 | * Please focus on this list - https://link.infini.fr/koha_bz[…]l_21_11_candidate | |
| 14:10 | I am keeping it up-to-date, so everything there is high priority (especially the bugfixes!) | |
| 14:11 | * Missing release notes for new enh - Check that list, if you see your name please fill them in: https://link.infini.fr/koha_bz[…]ease-notes-needed | |
| 14:11 | cait1 | tuxayo: was any reason given? |
| 14:11 | Joubu | * 3 big things pushed in the last week, that were part of the roadmap: bug 11175, bug 14957 and bug 19185. Thanks to everybody involved! |
| 14:11 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=11175 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to master , Show the parent record's component parts in the detailed views |
| 14:11 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=14957 new feature, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Pushed to master , Write protecting MARC fields based on source of import | |
| 14:11 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19185 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Pushed to master , Web installer and onboarding tool selenium test | |
| 14:11 | Joubu | 14957 is missing some stuffs to be fully ready, have a look at the last comments and follow-up bug reports. |
| 14:11 | kidclamp | #info nick Clemens, ByWater solutions |
| 14:11 | tuxayo | cait1: not really, I will see if I can get more info and forward it to you |
| 14:12 | Joubu | 19185 is driving me crazy, I am having a hard time to make the tests pass (failing tests from Koha_Master, the full run). It seems that the "zebra srv mock" trick we have been doing for years in www/search_utf8.t isn't actually working as expected. |
| 14:12 | I based my last work on it assuming that... help welcome! | |
| 14:12 | Ho, and we have a new blocker: bug 29330 | |
| 14:12 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29330 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha cannot send emails with attachments |
| 14:12 | ashimema | nice work |
| 14:12 | Joubu | and a critical one: bug 28236 |
| 14:12 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28236 critical, P5 - low, ---, johanna.raisa, Signed Off , Selecting database columns for system preferences in standard and dev installs is broken |
| 14:12 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre |
| 14:12 | Joubu | that's all for me |
| 14:13 | ashimema | has anyone actually tested the new blocker? |
| 14:13 | I saw it float by.. but my understanding was that Email::Stuffer handles it transparently now | |
| 14:13 | Joubu | I haven't yet |
| 14:13 | oleonard | The bug doesn't say how to reproduce the problem |
| 14:13 | nugged | Joubu: I rebased and checked 20447 (right now installing on production) but seems because just 2 days to FF... that won't pass? (ashimema?) (yeah that's big feature) |
| 14:14 | marcelr | bug 20447 |
| 14:14 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20447 new feature, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Needs Signoff , Add support for MARC holdings records |
| 14:14 | ashimema | I'd say lets push it over the edge first thing next cycle |
| 14:14 | it's very close.. but it's also very big 😉 | |
| 14:14 | cait1 | there is still also the bug for return-path, i m sorry we didn't get to test it yet |
| 14:14 | marcelr | if it is a bug there is more time |
| 14:15 | Joubu | nugged: my last comment is "Provide a full test plan and release notes please." and has been ignored, so... well.. |
| 14:15 | I think it's too big and too late for that one | |
| 14:15 | nugged | ok |
| 14:15 | cait1 | maybe for fridolin - early next release |
| 14:15 | to catch things | |
| 14:16 | ashimema | if anyone has time to test bug 28729 that would be awesome.. that's the return-path one cait1 was talking about. |
| 14:16 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28729 critical, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Return-path header not set in emails |
| 14:16 | marcelr | nice 500K patch |
| 14:16 | cait? | |
| 14:16 | wahanui | i heard cait was going to add one for a follow-up on the receive/currnecy/preselect we talked about |
| 14:16 | * ashimema | is trying hard to focus on Joubu's list and anything else that feels blocker like |
| 14:16 | cait1 | yes? |
| 14:16 | ashimema | I'm testing lots at the moment... hence spotted a few oddities this morning.. like the content blocks issue I promoited this morning |
| 14:17 | marcelr | i am in for qa on that one ashimema |
| 14:17 | i just came across some authorised value problems | |
| 14:17 | Joubu | #action marcelr QA 28729 |
| 14:17 | cait1 | marcelr++ |
| 14:17 | tcohen | marcel++ |
| 14:17 | cait1 | marcelr "the brave" |
| 14:17 | not shying away from big patches ever | |
| 14:17 | :) | |
| 14:18 | marcelr | hmm |
| 14:18 | ashimema | beware.. the unit test is clear.. the code is clear.. but actually testing it is challenging to say the least.. |
| 14:18 | Joubu | were you talking about another one? I can add another action :D |
| 14:18 | marcelr | actions can be reverted too Joubu |
| 14:18 | cait1 | moving on? |
| 14:19 | ashimema | it relies on having a working email server and checking the results of sending an email... it's the MTA that actually sets the return path |
| 14:19 | fun aye. | |
| 14:19 | marcelr | sure |
| 14:19 | Joubu | using gmail? |
| 14:19 | cait1 | yah, really thankful you dug into the documeantions |
| 14:19 | ashimema | av problems marcelr? |
| 14:19 | marcelr | yes |
| 14:19 | we have matching problems on the fields | |
| 14:19 | field length | |
| 14:19 | av is 80 but authority just is on 10 still | |
| 14:20 | maybe a few more | |
| 14:20 | ashimema | ah,. yes.. think I've spotted that a few times.. feel free to punt it my way if you come up with a decent idea on how to resolve |
| 14:20 | marcelr | trivial dbrev |
| 14:20 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 14:20 | Joubu | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 14:20 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:21 | Joubu | sorry, we need to move on, trying to make the meeting fit in 1h |
| 14:21 | marcelr | good plan |
| 14:21 | Joubu | nothing from rmaint I think |
| 14:21 | fridolin | yey nothing about 20.11.x |
| 14:21 | tuxayo | Will release the minor in the next hours |
| 14:22 | davidnind | I successfully worked out how to setup koha-testing-docker so you can send email using gmail: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/[…]email-for-testing |
| 14:22 | Joubu | #info expect the next minor releases in the next hours |
| 14:22 | cait1 | we had some issues with translations - something to check on next time maybe |
| 14:22 | tuxayo | (20.05.x at least ^^") |
| 14:22 | cait1 | to see if things go smoothly again |
| 14:23 | I suggested adjusting the mail text slightly - somtimes the strings are not updated yet when string freeze is called | |
| 14:23 | tuxayo | cait1: yes, I'll propose that we check that before announcing the string freeze |
| 14:23 | cait1 | so maybe good to word it like "check on new strings in the coming days" or so |
| 14:23 | that would also be great :) | |
| 14:24 | tuxayo | That could be another way, I'll see if we can announce when it's ready but otherwise, yes changing the email text |
| 14:24 | Joubu | Or ask Bernardo when he is usually doing it? |
| 14:24 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 14:24 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:25 | tuxayo | I asked a long time ago, it's the 15th and the 17th but didn't ask if it's automated. |
| 14:25 | Joubu | it's not |
| 14:25 | fridolin | Bernardo is usually doing it around 15th yep |
| 14:25 | tuxayo | ok |
| 14:25 | Joubu | (well, I don't think it is, I saw run in the history every month around ~15-17th) |
| 14:26 | cait1, QA? | |
| 14:27 | marcelr | thats an answer too |
| 14:27 | cait1 | sorry |
| 14:27 | I've been pushing for the bad and old bugs | |
| 14:27 | i'd really like to see a little mor QA action so close to freeze | |
| 14:28 | but overall... I was really happy to see some of the old and big go in this week | |
| 14:28 | * ashimema | is trying.. and marcelr has been magnificent |
| 14:28 | cait1 | a big thank you to those involved with that |
| 14:28 | yes, as usual the wrong ones listen up :) | |
| 14:28 | marcelr | 58 is not that bad currently |
| 14:28 | cait1 | i know it was a big piece of work, so thanks a lot |
| 14:29 | ashimema++ marcelr++ | |
| 14:29 | i'll keep on pushing for some more old to new action next release cycle | |
| 14:29 | nugged | (from our side can say that we not directly placing QAs but we have current master on one pilot production and (I hope) that bunch of feedbacks we did directly to Joubu helped to move as well) |
| 14:30 | cait1 | every bit of feedback helps of course |
| 14:30 | Joubu | yes, nugged, very useful! |
| 14:30 | cait1 | i can only talk about QA |
| 14:30 | and we could use more hands/heads/exes there regularly to make things move better | |
| 14:30 | nugged | (and that production is alive with current master (1 week old though, just installing latest today - so will be more feedback these days) |
| 14:31 | cait1 | i didn't want that to sound too negative, but spreading the work more would really help I think |
| 14:31 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 14:32 | Joubu | # Status of roadmap projects |
| 14:32 | cait1 | I only see encoding error, but I hope it's a good one? |
| 14:32 | tcohen | there are some roadmap projects PQA |
| 14:33 | Joubu | ? |
| 14:33 | marcelr | should you use # and topic |
| 14:33 | Joubu | good news or complaining because it's not pushed? |
| 14:33 | there is something on the agenda | |
| 14:33 | tcohen | the latter |
| 14:33 | wahanui | it has been said that the latter is the last of the list, no? |
| 14:34 | tcohen | :-D |
| 14:34 | marcelr | topic change? |
| 14:34 | Joubu | so I was going to pick the stuff from there first |
| 14:34 | #topic Bug 19532 (Recalls) | |
| 14:34 | Topic for #koha is now Bug 19532 (Recalls) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:34 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha |
| 14:34 | Joubu | marcelr wanted to chat a bit about 19532 |
| 14:34 | marcelr | wont repeat my email here but wanted more feedback on it |
| 14:34 | Joubu | everybody has the page opened? |
| 14:34 | "(Recalls) was on the roadmap; it is a feature that many libraries probably want; Aleisha rebased it around thousand times. It is too large to push it to 21.11 short before release. Some questioned the fundamentals too. It would only be fair if QA formulates an opinion on it as a team, and when agreed upon, new RM and QA coordinate pushing it early. As a side note, I really dislike patch sets of this size; we | |
| 14:34 | should avoid them wherever possible" | |
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| 14:35 | marcelr | think personally that we should try to adjust its current form; an other way will be harder in several aspects |
| 14:35 | fridolin | i discover this bug |
| 14:35 | marcelr | its 4 years ago so we cant say now rewrite it |
| 14:35 | Joubu | If some of us are interested in it, we should help Aleisha |
| 14:35 | not letting her rebasing endlessly | |
| 14:35 | marcelr | right |
| 14:36 | Joubu | I think that's marcelr's point |
| 14:36 | marcelr | and since it is so large, asking for more opionions |
| 14:36 | hm | |
| 14:36 | fridolin | good thinks these feature can be turned off/on |
| 14:36 | Joubu | once it's pushed, it's code to maintain |
| 14:36 | fridolin | sure |
| 14:36 | Joubu | so no, it's not because you can turn it off that you must push it, fridolin :D |
| 14:37 | fridolin | ^^ |
| 14:37 | cait1 | I have had a galcne at the spec |
| 14:37 | it doesn't quite work as academics expect it | |
| 14:37 | but i see potential to extend | |
| 14:37 | Joubu | I think it's something for next month anyway |
| 14:37 | cait1 | i'd like to have a closer look and can offer GUI testing |
| 14:37 | Joubu | it's too late for 21.11 and we have plenty of things to focus on |
| 14:37 | cait1 | but i'll need help with the code side |
| 14:38 | yes, this is for after release | |
| 14:38 | marcelr | we need the new RM not to push other large stuff before it ? |
| 14:38 | fridolin | i'll look at code |
| 14:38 | Joubu | we need the team to focus on it and know if it's how we want this feature |
| 14:38 | if it's not, it's our job to rework it | |
| 14:38 | kidclamp | I worry that it is independent of holds as the workflows are similar, but if it is made clear how they interact it can be its own feature |
| 14:39 | cait1 | i believe maybe it can be separate |
| 14:39 | if we can add an automatism too | |
| 14:39 | like... unmoderated recalls | |
| 14:39 | marcelr | kidclamp: building on holds is a tricky thing too |
| 14:39 | ashimema | indeed |
| 14:39 | holds is a scary place | |
| 14:39 | marcelr | but it is a clear point |
| 14:39 | kidclamp | thta would be nice - I feel it is a different workflow than others expect for recalls |
| 14:39 | cait1 | somaybe it is good to have it separate |
| 14:39 | kidclamp | unmoderated is a nice compromise |
| 14:40 | cait1 | i think it might not be int here yet, but that's a direction we could look for |
| 14:40 | oleonard | The workflow being different than some expect isn't a reason to reject it |
| 14:40 | cait1 | i have to study specs and docs more |
| 14:40 | ashimema | It would be nice if it was written in a modern style.. that's my main issue.. yes it was written many moons ago.. but unless it's changed allot since.. it was a massive copy paste of holds at the time as far as I could tell |
| 14:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #1797: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1797/ |
| 14:41 | cait1 | so maybe we could agree on making this a priority after release? |
| 14:41 | oleonard | I think that would be great |
| 14:41 | cait1 | fridolin volunteered for code - a second one maybe? |
| 14:41 | marcelr | we should, or we should have disapproved much earlier |
| 14:41 | i am looking too | |
| 14:41 | cait1 | ok |
| 14:41 | so let's make that an agreed | |
| 14:41 | ashimema | I asked for a rename at some point.. I spoke to a number of interested parties and none of them recognised it as 'recalls' once I explained how it worked/what it did |
| 14:41 | which is a shame | |
| 14:42 | cait1 | #agreed marcelr, fridolin and cait to look at recalls for QA after 21.11 release |
| 14:42 | ashimema | not a blocker.. but I feel naming it recalls misleads over half the stakeholders interested in it. |
| 14:42 | marcelr | did you put a better name on the report ? |
| 14:42 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 14:42 | seems I didn't.. I am dredging the brain from reviewing it years ago 😉 | |
| 14:42 | cait1 | let's look at this with fresh eyes |
| 14:42 | marcelr | what is the better name actually ? |
| 14:42 | kidclamp | bug 17015 - if we want to save old much worked on code |
| 14:43 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=17015 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, maryse.simard, Failed QA , New Koha Calendar |
| 14:43 | cait1 | i think it#s somethig like... a patrn iitiated request to get something earlier? |
| 14:43 | at th emoment | |
| 14:43 | tuxayo | patron driven recalls? |
| 14:43 | cait1 | i am nto done yet with docs, ran out of time an donly had a quick look |
| 14:43 | oleonard | "stakeholders" aren't stakeholders if they're not chipping in |
| 14:43 | ashimema | look at the bug 😉 |
| 14:43 | cait1 | oleonard: hm? |
| 14:43 | kidclamp | patron driven or unmoderated |
| 14:44 | cait1 | i think they are moderated |
| 14:44 | ashimema | indeed |
| 14:44 | Joubu | https://www.library.cornell.ed[…]es/request/recall # searched for "library recall" |
| 14:44 | cait1 | what we are looking for later might be unmoderated |
| 14:44 | or more "uatomated" from staff side | |
| 14:45 | shall we leave it with the action/agreed and move on for now? | |
| 14:45 | kidclamp | this lets the patron place the recall on their own and automatically (cronjob) shortens the due date - no staff action (moderation) |
| 14:45 | ashimema | either way.. lets attack it as a group at the beginning of the next cycle. |
| 14:45 | marcelr | thats the plan |
| 14:45 | cait1 | kidclamp: ah ok - need to read up |
| 14:45 | yep | |
| 14:45 | Joubu: moving on? | |
| 14:45 | kidclamp | I wondered if we were using different meanings :-) |
| 14:46 | Joubu | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 14:46 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:46 | Joubu | #topic ashimema initiate the advent calendar - create a pad to collect ideas + send email to the list |
| 14:46 | Topic for #koha is now ashimema initiate the advent calendar - create a pad to collect ideas + send email to the list (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:46 | cait1 | kidclamp: i missed out on my homework - that's the problem, I will catch up |
| 14:46 | ashimema | ooh.. I forgot about the pad.. but did send an email |
| 14:46 | cait1 is the only one to have replied so far | |
| 14:46 | cait1 | oops |
| 14:47 | Joubu | Shouldn't we have a place to put ideas? |
| 14:47 | cait1 | i was not sure how technical so suggested something like "bugzilla search tips and tricks" |
| 14:47 | Joubu | at least to know what others have in mind? |
| 14:47 | cait1 | so pad? |
| 14:48 | Joubu | No action, in 2 weeks it will be too late |
| 14:48 | cait1 | we have about a month now... not a lot of time |
| 14:48 | khall_ joined #koha | |
| 14:48 | cait1 | but if multiple authors know what to write and how it's doable still |
| 14:49 | ashimema | yup |
| 14:49 | I have a list | |
| 14:49 | and a small group of people | |
| 14:49 | cait1 | will you get in touch? |
| 14:49 | ashimema | but so far it's been a bit 'slack centric' |
| 14:49 | cait1 | maybe email? |
| 14:49 | ashimema | yup |
| 14:49 | cait1 | slack? |
| 14:49 | wahanui | i guess slack is expensive, but it falls under the 'just works' camp |
| 14:49 | tcohen | let's do it! |
| 14:50 | cait1 | I don't have access to slack, so just let me know what's up please |
| 14:50 | moving on? | |
| 14:50 | thd | slack is non-free |
| 14:50 | cait1 | thd: yes, it's not a community resource |
| 14:51 | ashimema | lets move on |
| 14:51 | Joubu | I haven't been approached to I guess you don't need help |
| 14:51 | good :) | |
| 14:52 | #topic LTS version | |
| 14:52 | Topic for #koha is now LTS version (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 14:52 | Joubu | a fun one |
| 14:52 | won't fit in 1h.. | |
| 14:52 | tuxayo | yes :D |
| 14:52 | tcohen | lets make 20.05 the LTS |
| 14:52 | Joubu | Should we skip it or discuss? |
| 14:52 | 20.05 is gonna be dropped in 1 month | |
| 14:52 | cait1 | i think we can skip - but we shoudl agree on a next sstep |
| 14:53 | are we postponing by 2 weeks | |
| 14:53 | or ... move back to mailing list? | |
| 14:53 | tuxayo | ok |
| 14:53 | tcohen | what is to be discussed? |
| 14:53 | cait1 | i just put the questions there since I felt that the ml list thread got too quiet |
| 14:53 | Joubu | it was stuck on the ML so decided here |
| 14:53 | cait1 | maybe too lost in the security discussion |
| 14:53 | tcohen | 19.11 has volunteers to make it LTS |
| 14:53 | cait1 | shoudl we start a new thread just LTS? |
| 14:54 | Joubu | ok, quick |
| 14:54 | * Will a 2 year cycle work for Koha? | |
| 14:54 | yes/no? | |
| 14:54 | is that too short or 2 years is fine? | |
| 14:54 | cait1 | is that a lot of different to maintaining up to 3 now? |
| 14:54 | i mean does it win us much time | |
| 14:54 | tuxayo | yes |
| 14:54 | Joubu | as cait1 said, 2 is not much longer than what we do now |
| 14:54 | cait1 | half a year longer guaranteed then, right |
| 14:54 | ashimema | if we're doing an LTS I would like to see us drop oldoldstable |
| 14:55 | cait1 | ashimema: that's question 2 or 3 |
| 14:55 | had you in mind :) | |
| 14:55 | ohw long is debian/ubuntu lts? 2 years? | |
| 14:55 | tuxayo | 6 at least |
| 14:55 | ashimema | yup |
| 14:56 | cait1 | oh wow |
| 14:56 | Joubu | 3y sounds better to me, but we need something to maintain it, and keep on doing it |
| 14:56 | someone* oops | |
| 14:56 | fridolin | indeed |
| 14:56 | marcelr | does 3y make sense? |
| 14:56 | cait1 | 3 feels better, agree |
| 14:56 | ashimema | 3y seems reasonable |
| 14:56 | Joubu | * How will updates work? Can you jump from LTS to a version in between? |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | 20.04 LTS released 2020-04-23, maintenance until 2030-04-23 |
| 14:56 | 10y! | |
| 14:56 | Joubu | I dont' think this question make sense, we have a strong upgrade progress |
| 14:56 | cait1 | i think that's too hard for us |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | yes |
| 14:56 | Joubu | what would be the problem? |
| 14:56 | ashimema | indeed |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | no issues |
| 14:57 | cait1 | it was raised last meetiing |
| 14:57 | i try to remember what the point made was | |
| 14:57 | Joubu | * How many versions should be maintained apart from LTS? |
| 14:57 | ashimema | LTS -> LTS would be a massive jump.. |
| 14:57 | 3 years worth of DB upgrade | |
| 14:57 | cait1 | yes, i think we need to give people an out |
| 14:57 | ashimema | that's gonna be fun for anyone doing it. |
| 14:58 | cait1 | it does work (i just did one from 16.11) :) but people might follow LTS and want to switch |
| 14:58 | Joubu | like those doing 3.22 to 20.11? :) |
| 14:58 | fridolin | we have some jumps actually from 16.11 to 20.11 |
| 14:58 | cait1 | if idempotent db updates is enough, we are good |
| 14:58 | tuxayo | > LTS -> LTS would be a massive jump.. |
| 14:58 | A certain number of instances are upgraded like that right? | |
| 14:58 | Joubu | ok, so shouldn't be a problem |
| 14:58 | * How many versions should be maintained apart from LTS? | |
| 14:58 | cait1 | just something to keep in mind and maybe soemthing to test |
| 14:58 | Joubu | (bis) |
| 14:58 | ashimema | I used to think following the ubuntu cycle made some sense.. but now I can't for the life of me see any patturn to it. |
| 14:59 | cait1 | heh |
| 14:59 | Joubu | the number of versions we can maintain, depending on the rmaints available |
| 14:59 | ashimema | personally.. I feel like the numerious stables pull resource away from QA and SO |
| 14:59 | Joubu | at least 2, maybe 3 |
| 14:59 | marcelr | or say 4 and LTS==2 y |
| 14:59 | 'L' | |
| 14:59 | ashimema | I've felt for a while that it would be good to have 1 or 2 longer supported versions with more of a rolling option too |
| 14:59 | fridolin | same feeling, we should focus on stable+oldstable in my opinion |
| 15:00 | tuxayo | Ideally managing to keep only 3 RMaints in total since between half or a third of them could be doing QA instead of RMaint. To account for the QA workforce shortage. |
| 15:00 | fridolin: how does that work for people doing yearly upgrades? Like BibLibre | |
| 15:00 | ashimema | LTS is basically security only isn't it.? |
| 15:00 | Joubu | yes |
| 15:00 | shouldn't be too problematic for the maintainer | |
| 15:01 | tcohen | what about supported platforms? |
| 15:01 | Joubu | more for the devs |
| 15:01 | marcelr | even that may be hard to rrebase on older versions ? |
| 15:01 | Joubu | but it will prevent us from delivering .patch files to apply, like we did last sec release |
| 15:01 | * ashimema | would love to see 'LTS or Rolling' |
| 15:01 | ashimema | monthly release for selected LTS versions for whatever period we decide.. monthly rolling release between times |
| 15:01 | cait1 | i don't know what Rolling means |
| 15:02 | ashimema | rolling releases are the modern not quit continuous integration approach |
| 15:02 | marcelr | heading for the canyon haha |
| 15:02 | cait1 | what about a compromise for next ccycle? |
| 15:02 | ashimema | i.e. we just keep releasing as soon as feature are ready.. rather than have a dev branch that can be anything up to 6 months ahead |
| 15:02 | cait1 | we already have some gap |
| 15:03 | Joubu | we have time to think it anyway, will postpone for next meeting |
| 15:03 | or even the one after | |
| 15:03 | moving on | |
| 15:03 | cait1 | ok |
| 15:03 | Joubu | #topic KohaCon22 |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon22 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 15:03 | tuxayo | > i.e. we just keep releasing as soon as feature are ready.. rather than have a dev branch that can be anything up to 6 months ahead |
| 15:03 | Can it work for software that need training for users? | |
| 15:03 | Joubu | * Bidding deadline? |
| 15:04 | cait1 | sorry, as we decided no more general so often, I didn't know where to put that one |
| 15:04 | ashimema | should 'LTS' actually be called 'ESM' |
| 15:04 | 'Extended Security Maintanence' | |
| 15:04 | anywho.. we move on | |
| 15:04 | cait1 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon22_Proposals |
| 15:04 | marcelr | Later To See |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | ashimema: good point, don't forget it for for next meeting ^^ |
| 15:04 | cait1 | caroline_catlady++ set it up |
| 15:05 | i'd like to add a lmore prominent link to processes | |
| 15:05 | ah ok, it's there already | |
| 15:05 | but deadline is missing | |
| 15:05 | how long for biddings? | |
| 15:05 | next year is appraoching soon | |
| 15:05 | end of january too late? | |
| 15:06 | *coughs* | |
| 15:06 | ashimema | partly depends on when the organisors want to host it. |
| 15:06 | Joubu | when do we open them? |
| 15:06 | ashimema | if they're thinking end of year Jan isn't too late |
| 15:06 | cait1 | i thinkw e should open them now |
| 15:06 | Joubu | has the email sent to the ML? |
| 15:06 | ashimema | if they're thinking early summer.. Jan is pretty late |
| 15:07 | cait1 | we are already running late |
| 15:07 | ashimema | yeah.. we should open asap |
| 15:07 | * ashimema | has no idea if there are any interested parties out there already. |
| 15:07 | Joubu | yes, open and close bid end JAN |
| 15:07 | Jan | |
| 15:07 | ashimema | decided 🙂 |
| 15:07 | cait1 | so i am puttin gen dof january |
| 15:07 | woudl someone be so kind and send email to list? | |
| 15:07 | ooh | |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | I have a draft for a section about avoiding holiday clash. Shall I sent it to cait1 and caroline in the next days when I finish it? |
| 15:07 | cait1 | let's make it end before next general |
| 15:08 | we might need to organize voting... | |
| 15:08 | ashimema | perfec tuxayo |
| 15:08 | cait1 | january 8th? |
| 15:08 | ashimema | go for it cait1 |
| 15:09 | cait1 | we also need to adjust teh rporting section |
| 15:09 | it says to send soemone to IRC meetings | |
| 15:09 | maybe we could ask for a monthly update to koha list? | |
| 15:09 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ons#Communication | |
| 15:09 | davidnind | +1 |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | +1 |
| 15:10 | more feasible than attending meeting and would solve most problems | |
| 15:10 | cait1 | sorry, the richt section is "Expectations |
| 15:10 | Joubu | cait1 is waiting for a volunteer to send the email I think |
| 15:10 | cait1 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]successful_bidder |
| 15:10 | we can updat ethe process page first | |
| 15:10 | i think the holiday clash one and themailing list one | |
| 15:11 | will check back with people on IRC | |
| 15:11 | maybe outside a meeting | |
| 15:12 | Joubu | can we move on then? |
| 15:12 | cait1 | yes |
| 15:12 | Joubu | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 15:12 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 27 October 2021) | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | Nov 10 |
| 15:13 | cait1 | #action tuxayo to send draft for holiday clash |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | yes |
| 15:13 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 10 November 2021, 14 UTC |
| 15:13 | cait1 | #action cait to update expectations to monthly report to mailing list |
| 15:13 | Joubu | #endmeeting |
| 15:13 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 15:13 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Oct 27 15:13:35 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:13 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-10-27-14.02.html | |
| 15:13 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-10-27-14.02.txt | |
| 15:13 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]27-14.02.log.html | |
| 15:14 | fridolin | thanks a lot Joubu |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | thanks all |
| 15:14 | thanks Joubu++ for chairing | |
| 15:14 | ashimema | Joubu++ |
| 15:14 | davidnind | Joubu++ |
| 15:14 | * fridolin | waves and goes back to bed |
| 15:14 | fridolin left #koha | |
| 15:14 | cait1 | thx Joubu |
| 15:14 | lots of interesting, but exhausting topics we got :) | |
| 15:14 | Joubu++ | |
| 15:15 | * oleonard | was in over his head for most of it |
| 15:15 | Joubu | oleonard: did you open a bug report about the lost status? |
| 15:15 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:15 | tuxayo | tcohen: «what about supported platforms?» like supporting recent OSes when the LTS gets old? |
| 15:15 | oleonard | Joubu: No |
| 15:15 | Joubu | I think I didn't make any senses |
| 15:15 | please open one and I will have another look tomorrow | |
| 15:16 | oleonard | Okay thanks |
| 15:17 | cait1 | i think we need something like an action keeper |
| 15:17 | thd | Building postboxes fell open and jammed the building door :( |
| 15:17 | cait1 | not the RM |
| 15:17 | for things like KohaCon bidding etc. | |
| 15:17 | anything that happens besides development | |
| 15:17 | something for another day | |
| 15:17 | * thd | rushes to post office for a fix. |
| 15:19 | Joubu | like taiga? lol... |
| 15:19 | tcohen | tuxayo: if we have an LTS version of Koha, it is important to narrow the OS versions it is considered to be supported. Like, Ubuntu 20.04, Debian 9 |
| 15:20 | Joubu | I should better go, bye! |
| 15:20 | tcohen | JOubu++ |
| 15:20 | thd | Unjamed at the moment but such a simple device needs a better mechanism. |
| 15:24 | tuxayo | tcohen: Would there be one to drop there? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]endations#Koha_19.11 |
| 15:27 | Ubuntu 20.04 support was added after the release of Koha 19.11. But people installing 19.11 after .06 could be doing it on 20.04 | |
| 15:28 | We might want to adverse a version as LTS after .06 anyway. | |
| 15:28 | * tuxayo | updates the System requirements for 20.05 it doesn't match the CI anymore |
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| 15:35 | ashimema | where are we at with bug 28692 and bug 28700 ? |
| 15:35 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28692 major, P5 - low, ---, stalkernoid, Failed QA , Reduce DB action_log table size |
| 15:35 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 15:35 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 15:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #224: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/224/ |
| 15:35 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28700 major, P5 - low, ---, stalkernoid, In Discussion , "Unblessed" method in Object.pm has blessed values for keys in some cases |
| 15:37 | ashimema | Joubu, marcelr.. do you agree with my suggestion to move the two middle patches from 28700 to 28692 as a basis for passing objects to the actionlogs and working from there to json/dumper/diff ? |
| 15:41 | nugged | ashimema: yeah, thinking to get with 28700 forward too, just got pointed by Joubu to read yesterday's morning logs/talks, ... |
| 15:41 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 15:42 | nugged | I was in hesitation because actually adding JSON for logs will fix my problem with logs too big, "can accept", but for sure it won't make ->unblessed behave to "give hash of 'for sure' scalars" back, what is the actual bug |
| 15:44 | ashimema | I find the 'unblessed' method name confusing honestly.. we are unblessing the object itself.. what we're not doing it working down the structure and unblessing everything inside it. |
| 15:44 | whether we should or not I'm not really sure | |
| 15:45 | there are various bugs around the use of unblessed.. I've hit a few.. where developer have assumed unblessed will give them a fully dereferenced data structure... that's why I tried to introduce an exception. | |
| 15:45 | I think we need to handle the bugs distinctly at this point.. | |
| 15:46 | for me.. 28700 is a long standing bug and 28692 is just one symptom of it.. | |
| 15:46 | moving to json for bug 28692 fixes that symptom.. and delays the need to properly fix 28700 (this cycle at least) in my opinion. | |
| 15:46 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28692 major, P5 - low, ---, stalkernoid, Failed QA , Reduce DB action_log table size |
| 15:58 | ashimema | right... |
| 15:58 | my brain is done for the day | |
| 15:58 | have a good evening #koha | |
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| 16:08 | magnuse | have fun ashimema |
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| 16:19 | cait2 | Joubu: more thinking of someone than a tool :) |
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| 16:43 | nugged | > I've hit a few.. where developer have assumed unblessed will give them a fully dereferenced data structure... |
| 16:43 | as well I hit in this expecting it gives "hash of scalars", yeah | |
| 16:43 | ashimema: let's figure out some solution, | |
| 16:43 | I am ok for any and even intermediate, for now I installed on that PILOTING single customer/production exactly that patch Petro added in 28700 as temporary for not to claim for extra disk space for customers so often :), | |
| 16:44 | more: I can say this "as in 28700 1st patch now" HOTFIX tested "in empirical way": it lives since summer for now, manually patched for some (15) customers and nothing big popped out with that method Petro added (it ... works :), nothing else broken at least "seems like that" :P ) | |
| 16:45 | ok, /me back to consume latest community master to my custom based on it build to install on that "piloting customer" tomorrow morning (huh! :) ) | |
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| 20:17 | davidnind | What's the easiest way with koha-testing-docker to start the installation process for a site? (create a new instance or empty kohadev database) |
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| 20:17 | davidnind | I'm sure I've done it in the past, but I didn't make any notes :-( |
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| 21:18 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 21:18 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 22:01 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 22:01 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 22:03 | davidnind | I got part of the way to get to the web installer in KTD, but I think I'm missing something obvious - progress so far: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/[…]the-web-installer |
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| 22:46 | fridolin | davidnind: thanks a lot for your hard work |
| 22:46 | cool I'm near NZ timezone now B) | |
| 22:47 | its really tricky to be in a different day that France, actually 12h diff | |
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| 22:55 | davidnind | fridolin: no problem - will probably need to concentrate on the docs for the next little while |
| 22:56 | fridolin | great |
| 22:56 | davidnind | trying not to fill up the QA queue too much, but the needs sign off keeps on filling up as well |
| 22:57 | fridolin | your our master signoff-man ^^ |
| 22:57 | davidnind | hope the time difference doesn't make it too hard to keep up with colleagues |
| 22:57 | Ii try (sometimes....) | |
| 22:57 | fridolin | its a challenge but hé its a world community |
| 22:58 | we have internet over optic fiber its great | |
| 22:58 | davidnind | I'm not normally on during the day, but just slacking off a bit this morning :-D |
| 22:58 | fridolin | we are connected over sea with NZ :) |
| 23:00 | davidnind | that's good! |
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