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| 07:09 | Joubu | mtj: Are you trying to fix the selenium failures? |
| 07:23 | cait | tuxayo: still not translation updates |
| 07:24 | to explain... we are in string freeze, but no updates happened yet on Pootle and we are running out of time | |
| 07:24 | or there are really no string changes... but I am not sure that's liley, line changes move strings too and change the files | |
| 07:37 | Joubu | cait: is it usually manually done by Bernardo? |
| 07:38 | Knowing him, I am pretty sure there is a script and he does not do it manually every month | |
| 07:41 | cait | i'd say the same, but we had issues another month too |
| 07:41 | not sure if it was last or the month before | |
| 07:41 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #122: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.11_U16/122/ |
| 07:42 | cait | if the automatism is broken, we need to check on it |
| 07:43 | ashimema | mornin' #koha:matrix.org |
| 07:43 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 07:43 | ashimema | I have access to the translate server.. but not sure what needs doing |
| 07:44 | cait | I think Joubu did something now |
| 07:44 | to manually start | |
| 07:44 | ashimema | there's not much in the cron |
| 07:44 | that's where I would expect to see this stuff | |
| 07:44 | coolios | |
| 07:45 | cait | German is usually complete, so a good one to check https://translate.koha-community.org/de/ |
| 07:45 | Joubu | ashimema: I am on it |
| 07:45 | ashimema | awesome |
| 07:45 | thanks Joubu | |
| 07:45 | cait | yes, thank you |
| 07:45 | Joubu++ | |
| 07:45 | ashimema | must admit, every time I look at this stuff, things seem to have changed |
| 07:46 | and I struggle to remember how it all fits together | |
| 07:46 | we should document it all some time | |
| 07:46 | cait | I have a meeting in a few minutes, but I can check again after |
| 07:48 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 07:48 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 07:48 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D12 build #45: FIXED in 58 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D12/45/ |
| 07:58 | Joubu | It's very slow, it will take hours |
| 08:12 | ashimema | the wiki is soooo slow these days |
| 08:13 | fridolin1 | hi there |
| 08:13 | see you at meeting later | |
| 08:13 | it will be 4am for me ^^ | |
| 08:21 | ashimema | no-one interested in bug 27378 ? |
| 08:21 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27378 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Signed Off , Enable compliance with EU Cookie Legislation via cookie consent |
| 08:21 | ashimema | yikes |
| 08:21 | may have to move the meetings times around a bit next cycle aye fridolin1 | |
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| 08:23 | fridolin1 | its on the menu :) |
| 08:24 | mtj | hey folks |
| 08:25 | Joubu: yep, im trying to fix the selenium failures | |
| 08:27 | looks like there is some problems with Selenium::Remote::Driver and selenium v4 | |
| 08:27 | https://github.com/teodesian/S[…]Driver/issues/452 | |
| 08:28 | we may have to wait a while, until it is fixed | |
| 08:29 | https://github.com/teodesian/S[…]comment-852257114 | |
| 08:29 | great to see that tuxayo has already spotted the problem | |
| 08:33 | Joubu: setting selenium to v3 in docker, gives us a workaround for now... | |
| 08:36 | Joubu | yep, just seen that. thx |
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| 08:39 | mtj | ashimema: there is a long running perldocs cronjob on the wiki server, that needs nice-ing |
| 08:39 | ashimema | i see |
| 08:39 | thanks mtj | |
| 08:39 | I wasn't aware of that | |
| 08:39 | * ashimema | is really hopeing beyond hope that we get a wiki upgrade next cycle |
| 08:40 | magnuse | i just found the list of languages in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21Languages.xsl am i right in thinking that the way to translate this is to add the codes with translated names to the LANG authorized value category? |
| 08:43 | Joubu | the way to translate xsl files in 'en' should be the usual translation process (po) |
| 08:46 | cait | magnuse: NOPE |
| 08:46 | argh | |
| 08:46 | sorry, capslock | |
| 08:46 | they show up in the po files, you don't need to do anything | |
| 08:46 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:46 | cait | there is an include to translate these and a script that updates them |
| 08:46 | magnuse | ah ok, thanks Joubu and cait |
| 08:47 | cait | he script is to update the xslt with new language codes - so you don't usually need that |
| 08:47 | magnuse | dunno why i thought there was something dpecial going on there |
| 08:47 | cait | it is special... because it works really nicely :) |
| 08:47 | although first time translation of all those languages was quite a task | |
| 08:47 | magnuse | heh yeah |
| 08:49 | Joubu | cait: de-DE for 21.05 has been updated, can you confirm? |
| 08:49 | magnuse | i guess the weird thing was they were not translted in a swedish setup, and i thought they were pretty complete, but i guess they are not |
| 08:51 | cait | checking now |
| 08:52 | yes, we got strings there | |
| 08:52 | https://translate.koha-community.org/de/ | |
| 08:52 | magnuse: hm could it be a NORMARC/MARC thing? | |
| 08:52 | I am nto sure which po file they are in | |
| 08:54 | Joubu | misc/translator/po/sv-SE-marc-MARC21.po |
| 08:54 | then search for "MARC21Languages.xsl" | |
| 09:05 | magnuse | cait: nah, they use marc 21 |
| 09:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #151: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.11_D10/151/ |
| 09:38 | ashimema | anyone know who OK wiki join requests these days? |
| 09:39 | Joubu | cait |
| 09:40 | ashimema | cait around? |
| 09:40 | wahanui | cait around is cait cait1 cait2 cait3 cait4 cait5 |
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| 09:45 | tundunf | hello! |
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| 10:18 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 10:22 | I discovered a bug with our JS-driven translation in the staff client...sometimes the "lang" variable ends up being "default" | |
| 10:23 | If we load localization data using this check: [% IF lang && lang != 'en' %] ... Nothing will get loaded even if the interface isn't English | |
| 10:23 | jajm around? | |
| 10:25 | What's strange is that I see this problem on two versions of the same page: When adding a patron, the lang variable is correct. When editing a patron it isn't. | |
| 10:26 | (discovered when trying to revive bug 26244) | |
| 10:26 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Move translatable strings out of memberentrygen.tt and into JavaScript |
| 10:27 | Joubu | oleonard: yes, I reported that somewhere, maybe not on its own bug |
| 10:27 | it's linked with the warning in the log | |
| 10:27 | [2021/10/20 10:26:54] [WARN] File not found : default/js/locale_data.js at /kohadevbox/koha/Koha/Template/Plugin/Asset.pm line 84. | |
| 10:27 | because we are passing vars to the template using lang => borrowers.lang | |
| 10:28 | 816 $template->param(%data); | |
| 10:28 | that (bad) line | |
| 10:29 | oleonard | Ah, so it's overwritten |
| 10:29 | Joubu | oleonard: see also 28768 |
| 10:29 | same problem, same error, same cause | |
| 10:29 | different page however :) | |
| 10:32 | oleonard | So the solution is to fix that line...and then rewrite most of the template :( |
| 10:33 | Joubu | shouldn't be hard, but tedious |
| 10:37 | oleonard | $template->param( borrower => %data ); ? |
| 10:42 | Joubu? ^^ | |
| 11:05 | Joubu | oleonard: we should use patron that is passed at the end of the script |
| 11:05 | then patron.$attr in the template | |
| 11:05 | but there is a %newdata vs %data in the .pl that needs attention | |
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| 11:16 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 11:34 | oleonard | I would personally run on the hamster wheel that keeps splitter going if that would help |
| 11:41 | Under what circumstances is borrowers.lang set? | |
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| 11:51 | tcohen | hi all |
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| 11:52 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 11:54 | Joubu | oleonard: lang for a patron can be set from the edit patron form when TranslateNotices is turned on |
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| 11:55 | oleonard | Thanks Joubu I hadn't seen that before. |
| 11:57 | tcohen | Joubu: should it be always enabled? |
| 12:03 | Joubu | I don't know. It should only be available if the library translated their notices |
| 12:15 | marcelr | any people testing bug 19532 while it still applies ?? |
| 12:15 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha |
| 12:22 | ashimema | I won't be.. not enough time and if rather see the ByWater plugin submitted really |
| 12:26 | marcelr | ashimema: you made a good comment some time ago |
| 12:26 | on that report | |
| 12:26 | :) | |
| 12:28 | ashimema | A massive amount has gone under the bridge on that bug.. |
| 12:28 | marcelr | under the bridge? |
| 12:28 | ashimema | Can't remember what I said, but I do remember trying really hard to help it move forward but getting blocked at every turn |
| 12:29 | Oh, is that another English term that doesn't translate | |
| 12:29 | marcelr | you said that it should be based on reserves and not next to it |
| 12:29 | very short | |
| 12:29 | ashimema | 'a lot of water gone under the bridge'.. i.e. things have moved on.. forget the past and move on too.. sorta thing |
| 12:31 | It's funny.. with my current bookings work I've come at it could completely fresh.. but I'm not drawing loads of comparisons with holds and wondering if I've made the same mistake myself | |
| 12:31 | Thats all still work in progress though | |
| 12:32 | Queues Vs Date periods.. are they different enough.. in my case | |
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| 12:40 | cait | ashimema: i have someone asking for your booking feature :) |
| 12:41 | is it correct that the first patches don't allow limiting by branch or making bookins from opac? | |
| 12:41 | 29002 | |
| 12:42 | oh i just came into the right discussion it looks like? | |
| 12:42 | still looking for someone to help with wiki? | |
| 12:43 | ashimema | There's loads more on my local Dev branch Cait.. wahts posted was just a taster to show it's started |
| 12:44 | cait | ok, that's waht I'll answer them then |
| 12:44 | we are just in migration so a little early to make them testers, but maybe a little later | |
| 12:44 | ashimema | Right now I've not tied it in with circ rules at all... Aim is to do so,bl but our customer is single branch and the deadline is crazy tight to show them the minimum |
| 12:44 | cait | understandable |
| 12:45 | i think opac side and branch limit would maybe be logical additions later | |
| 12:45 | ashimema | Opac side is in the works.. hardest bit is working out how to expose it nicely . |
| 12:45 | That and bib Vs item level.. that's a real mind breaker at the moment | |
| 12:46 | Similar kind of limits to holds too.. like how many bookings in a period different user may make | |
| 12:46 | Thats all on the cards.. I should write a clear spec but it's kinda evolving as the customer keeps changing their mind | |
| 12:46 | marcelr | bug 29002 |
| 12:46 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29002 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, NEW , Add ability to book items ahead of time |
| 12:47 | marcelr | ah loan slots interesting |
| 12:48 | i just did not know what a booking should be, ashimema | |
| 12:48 | Joubu | isn't it just a hold with a specific status? |
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| 12:50 | marcelr | yeah it seems so but together with a guarantee |
| 12:51 | lots of fun when holds, article requests, recalls and bookings come together ! | |
| 12:52 | Joubu | marie-luce: Hey, did you see my comment about the patron's notes? |
| 12:52 | ashimema | Indeed |
| 12:53 | I wanted to attack it as entirely fresh/new..green pastures | |
| 12:53 | Because I didn't want to challenge or re-writing holds | |
| 12:53 | Anyways | |
| 12:54 | We'll see how it goes | |
| 12:54 | cait | marcelr: i think you hit the nail on the head :) |
| 12:54 | a guarantee that the item will be there and available for a certain time slot | |
| 12:54 | like booking rooms | |
| 12:55 | ashimema | yup |
| 12:56 | holds is a queue | |
| 12:56 | cait | Joubu: we might have an issue: https://translate.koha-community.org/de/ |
| 12:56 | there is an error | |
| 12:56 | MISCONF Redis is configured to save RDB snapshots, but is currently not able to persist on disk. Commands that may modify the data set are disabled. Please check Redis logs for details about the error. | |
| 12:56 | ashimema | bookings is guaranteed dates.. no queue |
| 12:56 | cait | translation no longer possible :( |
| 12:56 | marcelr | ashimema: guarantee until the corner, do you know that? |
| 12:56 | when you buy an older car.. | |
| 12:56 | ashimema | ? |
| 12:57 | marcelr | when you pull to the left, the guarantee is over |
| 12:57 | meaning what about if the item is still unavailable for the booking ? | |
| 12:57 | not returned in time | |
| 12:57 | ashimema | then you have a problem |
| 12:58 | but a booking is more of a contract than a loan | |
| 12:58 | no renewals | |
| 12:58 | no extensions | |
| 12:58 | like a hotel room booking | |
| 12:58 | you vacate the room at the end of your stay.. you don't just decide to stay longer | |
| 12:58 | marcelr | ah we'll find you another book, dont worry, haha |
| 12:59 | ashimema | for context.. this customer actually loans whole collections out to schools for entire terms |
| 12:59 | marcelr | interesting |
| 12:59 | ashimema | so they deliver the collection to the school at the beggining of term and then collect it again at the end. |
| 13:00 | marcelr | we are already used dates for the holds a bit like bookings |
| 13:00 | ashimema | cait still around? |
| 13:00 | awesome.. looks like you already let my colleagues in to the wiki 🙂 | |
| 13:00 | marcelr | i need this book in the readingroom between date A and B |
| 13:00 | ashimema | no escaping community now |
| 13:01 | do you only allow one hold on an item at a time? | |
| 13:01 | for that period? | |
| 13:01 | marcelr | no the first is the winner |
| 13:02 | current holds logic | |
| 13:02 | ashimema | i certainly see the parallels |
| 13:02 | marcelr | right |
| 13:05 | PerplexedTheta | Yes - thanks for letting us into the Wiki, and hello IRC :-) |
| 13:10 | * magnuse | waves to PerplexedTheta from norway |
| 13:13 | * PerplexedTheta | waves back. Remembering how to use IRC again! |
| 13:14 | Joubu | cait: temporarily fixed |
| 13:20 | cait: server is running out of disk space again, trying to reach Bernardo via Tomas | |
| 13:21 | tcohen | nkg |
| 13:21 | bgkriegel is trying to solve it | |
| 13:23 | he says the mysql binlogs fill the disk | |
| 13:23 | he's doing some cleanup | |
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| 13:27 | * oleonard | is unhappy with the bad feelings associated with Bug 19532 |
| 13:27 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Needs Signoff , Recalls for Koha |
| 13:28 | cait | Joubu: thank you! |
| 13:28 | Joubu++ bgkriegel++ | |
| 13:29 | maybe that's why the automatism didn't work either? | |
| 13:31 | tcohen | the MariaDB server it uses, is set with a primary/replica setup. It seems there was a problem with the replica, and thus the binarylogs filled the disk. That's why the automatic runs were failing as well |
| 13:34 | tuxayo | hi :) |
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| 13:44 | oleonard | tcohen: Can you use the API to search for a vendor by name? |
| 13:44 | tcohen | err, I think so |
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| 13:45 | tcohen | Koha version? |
| 13:45 | oleonard | I'm working in master and thinking about autocomplete for vendors on the subscription add page |
| 13:45 | tcohen | sure |
| 13:45 | https://api.koha-community.org[…].html#tag/vendors | |
| 13:46 | I think we need to add the q= parameter to that route | |
| 13:46 | Joubu: can I add the q param to all missing routes in master for 21.11? | |
| 13:46 | I've been doing it as-needed, but a global approach should really be done | |
| 13:46 | * ashimema | would absolutely love to see that happen |
| 13:47 | ashimema | I've also been doing it on an ad-hoc basis but it would be lovely to be able to just say 'it works for all cases' in the docs |
| 13:48 | tuxayo | @later tell mtj oops sorry for the time you spent investigating that. I forgot to tell that our test suite was going to break when Selenium 4 is shipped by default. I let that happen to have an alarm for when v4 is mature enough so we can switch to it. I opened and took bug 29285 for that. |
| 13:48 | huginn` | tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:49 | ashimema | oleonard around? |
| 13:50 | oleonard | Yes |
| 13:50 | ashimema | I've never really pondered it before |
| 13:50 | but.. | |
| 13:50 | is there a reason we generally put the left menu div's at the bottom and use col-sm-pull to position them rather than just putting them at the top in semantic order? | |
| 13:51 | tcohen | If the RM approves, I will file a bug and submit the patch |
| 13:52 | oleonard | ashimema: Because I didn't think putting the menu at the top was the correct order. I'm not sure how you define "semantic" here. |
| 13:52 | ashimema | fair |
| 13:52 | semantic probably isn't the best name | |
| 13:53 | but generally html pages are built left to right top to bottom in my experience.. | |
| 13:53 | it doesn't really matter.. I just wondered why we did it this way. | |
| 13:53 | oleonard | The intention was to put relevant content higher on the page |
| 13:54 | ashimema | good a reason as any |
| 13:54 | thanks 🙂 | |
| 13:55 | Joubu | tcohen: yes, please |
| 13:55 | tuxayo | meeting in 5 min! |
| 13:55 | Joubu | (q param) |
| 13:55 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 13:55 | tuxayo | rmaints? |
| 13:55 | wahanui | rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo |
| 13:56 | tuxayo | qa_team? |
| 13:56 | wahanui | qa_team is probably cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, kidclamp, khall, tuxayo, petrova, nugged |
| 13:56 | ashimema | aloha |
| 13:56 | wonder if poor fridolin woke up | |
| 13:56 | cait | oh hey :) |
| 13:58 | Joubu | We need a IRC meeting facilitator, or at least somebody else to take over me |
| 13:58 | I won't chair and update the wiki page next cycle | |
| 13:58 | cait | maybe good to ask around in a moment in the meeting? |
| 13:58 | ashimema | I totally failed at it this time so wasn't going to step up |
| 13:59 | cait | one more minute! |
| 14:00 | * tcohen | prepares the champagne |
| 14:00 | marcelr | that is a facilitator :) |
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| 14:00 | kellym | a |
| 14:00 | cait | fasten your seat belts... |
| 14:00 | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 20 October 2021 | |
| 14:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Oct 20 14:00:56 2021 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_20_october_2021' |
| 14:01 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 14:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:01 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions, Cordoba, Argentina |
| 14:01 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, The Netherlands |
| 14:01 | kellym | #info Kelly McElligott, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 14:01 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_20_October_2021 Today's agenda |
| 14:01 | Please intoduce yourself using #info! | |
| 14:01 | nugged | #info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
| 14:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 14:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 14:01 | cait | #chair ashimema |
| 14:01 | huginn` | Current chairs: ashimema cait |
| 14:01 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 14:02 | tuxayo | #info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Corporation, France |
| 14:02 | caroline_crazycatlady | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Quebec, Canada |
| 14:02 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, Mosquitos City |
| 14:02 | cait | It's been a little while, so have some patience with me :) |
| 14:02 | petrova | #info Peter (Petro) Vashchuk, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
| 14:03 | cait | ok moving on! |
| 14:03 | #topic Announcements | |
| 14:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:04 | cait | Any announcements? Please just speak up now, I will info |
| 14:04 | Joubu | I've started brewing again |
| 14:04 | tcohen | JOubu++ |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | any recent news about the KohaCon? |
| 14:04 | cait | #info Joubu has started brewing again |
| 14:04 | ashimema | 🍻 |
| 14:04 | caroline_crazycatlady | XD |
| 14:05 | cait | tuxayo: I haven't seen much, but I thought registration was open |
| 14:05 | ashimema | I think an invitation to attend email went out last week |
| 14:05 | tuxayo | Indeed https://kohacon2021.org/registration/ |
| 14:05 | ashimema | it ended up in my spam |
| 14:05 | cait | #info Kohacon21 registrations are open at https://kohacon2021.org/registration/ |
| 14:06 | ashimema | mostly calling for sponsors looking at it. |
| 14:06 | cait | does someone know if it#s hybrid / online only registration possible? |
| 14:06 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #204: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U18/204/ |
| 14:06 | ashimema | as I've not managed to get any feedback from them at all I think we can only assume it's in person only |
| 14:06 | cait | it's unfortunate - maybe somethign to discuss for the bidding process later today |
| 14:07 | moving on? | |
| 14:07 | Joubu | I don't think I received the email |
| 14:07 | cait | maybe only to possible sponsors? |
| 14:07 | ashimema | it was marked as spam for me Joubu |
| 14:07 | and it wasn't to me personally.. it was to the company info address | |
| 14:07 | Joubu | would be good to point it to Michael for the monthly newsletter |
| 14:07 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens |
| 14:07 | khall joined #koha | |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | I think in was in the call for candidatures, to be hybrid |
| 14:07 | cait | hi kidclamp ;) |
| 14:08 | tuxayo: yes, but we need to make that maybe a little stronger? | |
| 14:08 | tuxayo | yes! |
| 14:08 | ashimema | yup, it was indeed tuxayo |
| 14:08 | cait | good chance to improve on process |
| 14:08 | let's move on | |
| 14:08 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 14:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:08 | cait | rmaints? |
| 14:08 | wahanui | rmaints is fridolin, khall, kidclamp, wainui and tuxayo |
| 14:08 | ashimema | personally.. as it's over xmas week here I won't be able to attend online or in person |
| 14:08 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 14:09 | cait | you know who you are, any updates? |
| 14:09 | ah maybe | |
| 14:09 | Joubu | #info 21.11 Feature freeze is end of next week! |
| 14:09 | cait | #info While we are in string freeze the strings weren't updated yet due to technical issues for the next versions |
| 14:10 | tuxayo | nothing to report for 20.05.x |
| 14:10 | thanks cait for noticing that and digging | |
| 14:10 | cait | so far only strings for 21.05 appeared for de-DE |
| 14:10 | is that worth pushing release a little? | |
| 14:11 | about 500 strings | |
| 14:11 | tuxayo | It's scheduled for around the 25h, is that enough? |
| 14:11 | cait | no tusre how fast it will be fixed, but maybe worth another email to translators |
| 14:11 | tuxayo | Should there be new strings for other releases as well? |
| 14:11 | cait | my guess is if nothing shows up they just assume it's done already |
| 14:12 | i am not sure, it was quite a bit for 21.05, but I am not quite done yet | |
| 14:12 | Joubu | the script is currently running, it will take several hours |
| 14:12 | tuxayo | ok, it's WIP |
| 14:13 | #action tuxayo send a new call for translators after the Pootle sync is finished | |
| 14:13 | cait | #info Translators: keep an eye out for new strings showing up tonight or tomororw |
| 14:13 | thx tuxayo :) | |
| 14:13 | ok, moving on? | |
| 14:13 | tuxayo | so no postponing the release? |
| 14:13 | cait | when is it planned for? |
| 14:13 | 25th might still be ok | |
| 14:13 | tuxayo | the 25th |
| 14:13 | cait | hm although, weekend, not sure |
| 14:13 | tuxayo | just because the 23th was a saturday |
| 14:14 | cait | if we could inform them tonight i think 2 days would probably be ok |
| 14:14 | and then make sure it works out normally next release? | |
| 14:14 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #701: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]0_MDB_Latest/701/ |
| 14:14 | tuxayo | I'll ask the RMaint if the 27th is ok |
| 14:14 | cait | ok |
| 14:14 | tuxayo | so it will be a week from now |
| 14:15 | As it's the last release of this cycle | |
| 14:15 | cait | #action tuxayo to check on pushing the release dates to 27th to give translators chance to catch up |
| 14:15 | true | |
| 14:15 | tuxayo | thanks |
| 14:15 | cait | it might be the last updates for a version |
| 14:15 | moving on | |
| 14:15 | #topic KohaCon22 bidding process | |
| 14:15 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon22 bidding process (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:15 | cait | I am not sure but I might have added that one |
| 14:15 | I think it's already time again | |
| 14:15 | so people get a bit of time for planning... | |
| 14:16 | as a reference | |
| 14:16 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon21_Proposals KohaCon21 bidding page | |
| 14:16 | Maybe some questions: | |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | «Venue: National Library of Pakistan (Both In person and Online) » |
| 14:17 | ashimema | good point |
| 14:17 | cait | 1) are we still aiming for a hybrid one 2022? |
| 14:17 | tuxayo | So it's suposed to be hybric |
| 14:17 | *hybrib | |
| 14:17 | I'll ask for confirmation | |
| 14:17 | cait | it's uspposed to be in November too... |
| 14:17 | but asking woudl be good, I didn't receive a reply on Twitter | |
| 14:17 | oleonard | If they completely changed the dates who knows what else they changed. |
| 14:18 | ashimema | Yup, I asked by email and twitter about the date change |
| 14:18 | neither got a response | |
| 14:18 | cait | harsh :( |
| 14:19 | I think we all hope to travel again in 2022... but shoudl we keep hybrid as an option for the bidding? | |
| 14:19 | it enables people to attend that couldn't otherwise... so I'd like if we made a strong notion for streaming | |
| 14:19 | marcelr | isnt hybrid here to stay? |
| 14:19 | ashimema | I think it's nice to have the hybrid option |
| 14:19 | tuxayo | +1 |
| 14:19 | cait | +1 |
| 14:19 | caroline_crazycatlady | I agree it should at least be streamed or recorded |
| 14:19 | ashimema | but it certainly adds a challenge for the organisors |
| 14:19 | tcohen | no, marcelr. we will we through this victoriously |
| 14:19 | hah | |
| 14:19 | ashimema | agreed |
| 14:20 | cait | woudl someone volunteeer to put up a bidding draft? |
| 14:20 | (other than me preferrably?) | |
| 14:21 | maybe as an action for next meeting we could check over the processes page and update our gudielines? | |
| 14:21 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons | |
| 14:21 | thd | The pandemic is not yet expected to be significantly over next year for worldwide vaccination levels. Maybe less of a concern for the rich world. |
| 14:21 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons Processes for KohaCons |
| 14:21 | we could put something about having to inform community about major changes to bid | |
| 14:22 | thd | Every conference should be hybrid if it can be irrespective of pandemics. |
| 14:22 | oleonard | My only hesitation about requiring hybrid is that it might exclude some folks who lack the resources for it. |
| 14:22 | But I would like to have hybrid be a requirement. | |
| 14:23 | cait | if we get more than one bid it could well influence the outcome |
| 14:23 | if oly one volunteer a little harder if it's not a requirement i guess | |
| 14:23 | recording maybe as an alternative option? | |
| 14:23 | tuxayo | Indeed including attendants that can't travel might exclude some organizer than can't take the addition workload. |
| 14:23 | thd | Changes create a real problem for people planning to attend but I also remember venue availability problems for the organisers. |
| 14:23 | tuxayo | Still worth pushing for hybrid IMHO |
| 14:24 | cait | thd: it hink the main issue is the lack of information |
| 14:24 | oleonard | I wonder if we could say that we would withhold support from a conference if they are not responsive to communication after the bid has been accepted (support being publicity, mostly) |
| 14:24 | cait | and that the chosen dates are such a clash with holidays |
| 14:24 | thd | Yes, communication is paramount. |
| 14:25 | cait | #info Discussion: withhold support from a conference if they are not responsive to communication after the bid has been accepted (support being publicity, mostly) |
| 14:25 | ashimema | Agreed about changes... it's not really a community conference at this point to me.. the date change is huge and the lack of communication throughout doesn't really mean I think of it as koha-community at all. |
| 14:25 | thd | We do not know about excessive spam prevention measures in email. Sometimes, the telephone is useful when other means are insufficient. |
| 14:26 | ashimema | regarding hybrid approach.. I think we as a community should be able to support that even if the organising group cannot.. there are some fairly big companies here who I'm sure could contribute technologies required if needed. |
| 14:26 | cait | it's a good thought |
| 14:26 | ashimema | X sponsored the videoconferencing this year.. for example.. so I don't think it should be seen as a blocker |
| 14:26 | fridolin joined #koha | |
| 14:27 | cait | #info Discussion: hybrid/recording - optional or required? |
| 14:27 | ashimema | we should perhaps make that clear.. if you're offering to organise the conference you don't have to do it entirely in a vacuum.. ask for help 😉 |
| 14:27 | cait | #idea would it be possible that companies help providing technical equipment/help for streaming if required? |
| 14:27 | fridolin | hi sorry late |
| 14:27 | cait | thx for being here so early actually :) |
| 14:28 | 4am? | |
| 14:28 | fridolin | #info Fridolin Somers, Biblibre, France |
| 14:28 | indeed ^^ | |
| 14:28 | cait | i think we had a requirement to sent a representative to IRC meetings |
| 14:28 | what channel/who shoudl they communicate to? | |
| 14:28 | especially if we vote to have less general meetings | |
| 14:28 | we don't have a council or anything you could address | |
| 14:28 | marcelr | yeah that would be expected |
| 14:29 | cait | and I am still lookign for someone to put up bidding page :) |
| 14:29 | i can try to put up a draft... and then ask for feedback on IRC? | |
| 14:30 | marcelr | cait++ |
| 14:30 | cait | #action cait to put up a bidding for KohaCon22 draft page |
| 14:30 | caroline_crazycatlady | Ican copy the 2021 page if no one else can |
| 14:30 | thd | If we vote to have fewer general meetings some issues may need to be raised in a developer's meeting even if that is to schedule a general meeting or kohacon meeting etc. |
| 14:30 | * cait | immedately hands over to caroline_crazycatlady |
| 14:30 | caroline_crazycatlady | lol |
| 14:30 | cait | #action cait hands over to caroline_crazycatlady, but offers proof reading/help |
| 14:30 | moving on? | |
| 14:30 | caroline_crazycatlady | I'll do it right away, otherwise i'll forget |
| 14:30 | tuxayo | > the chosen dates are such a clash with holidays |
| 14:30 | Yes, with christian related countries. We could ask the proposal to avoid (even when changing afterwards) these dates + Chinese new year and the most relevant ones for Islam related countries. (Ramadan ?) | |
| 14:31 | cait | #action ALL suggestions for changes to KohaCon process page until next meeting |
| 14:31 | tuxayo | ok |
| 14:31 | cait | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 14:31 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:31 | cait | #info There were no actions (that will change) |
| 14:32 | #topic Vote about rescheduled General IRC meetings | |
| 14:32 | Topic for #koha is now Vote about rescheduled General IRC meetings (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:32 | ashimema | 🙂 |
| 14:32 | cait | I am not too happy about 2 per year, but could do with less |
| 14:32 | tuxayo | which is the KohaCon process page ? |
| 14:32 | cait | would be quarterly or bi-monthly be an idea? |
| 14:32 | i linked earlier, sec | |
| 14:32 | marcelr | when will they be ? |
| 14:32 | ashimema | I was coming around to once a quarter |
| 14:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.05_D9/320/ |
| 14:32 | ashimema | 4 per year |
| 14:32 | tuxayo | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons |
| 14:32 | ashimema | with the option of adding ad-hoc ones as required |
| 14:33 | I think 12 per year is just too many and means none are well attended | |
| 14:33 | marcelr | timezones.. |
| 14:33 | cait | i thnk with kohacon in mind 4 is minimum |
| 14:33 | also... elections | |
| 14:33 | one month before release and 3 months in between? | |
| 14:33 | kidclamp | if 4 per year, should we return to 2 time per meeting? so all times zones can attend? |
| 14:34 | koha-jenkins joined #koha | |
| 14:34 | fridolin | good idea |
| 14:34 | marcelr | +1 |
| 14:34 | tuxayo | 2 time per meeting? |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Alternating when the meeting is |
| 14:34 | tuxayo | twice the same day at different hours? |
| 14:34 | oh ok | |
| 14:34 | marcelr | no |
| 14:35 | oleonard | No, two meetings in the day? |
| 14:35 | cait | #startvote How many general meeetings should we hold annually? (12, 4, 2) |
| 14:35 | huginn` | Begin voting on: How many general meeetings should we hold annually? Valid vote options are , 12, 4, 2, . |
| 14:35 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 14:35 | * ashimema | asks the question.. what are we discussing at these meetings |
| 14:35 | cait | i think 2 in a day are not really great for elections |
| 14:35 | marcelr | the number of meetings lol |
| 14:35 | Joubu | discuss the date and time of the next meeting |
| 14:35 | cait | only for info |
| 14:35 | ashimema | perhaps we should stick to monthly but only hold them if there's a minimum number of agenda items to cover? |
| 14:35 | tuxayo | KohaCon, Election, the number of meeting |
| 14:35 | thd | I am concerned that we are excluding people but the second meeting times became so little attended that they may not have been thought worthwhile by attendees. |
| 14:36 | oleonard | #vote 4 |
| 14:36 | thd | #vote 4 |
| 14:36 | Joubu | #vote 2 |
| 14:36 | cait | #vote 4 |
| 14:36 | ashimema | #vote 4 |
| 14:36 | fridolin | #vote 4 |
| 14:36 | marcelr | #vote 4 |
| 14:36 | tuxayo | #vote abstain |
| 14:36 | huginn` | tuxayo: abstain is not a valid option. Valid options are , 12, 4, 2, . |
| 14:36 | tuxayo | I know! |
| 14:36 | cait | oh sorry |
| 14:36 | i forgot abstain | |
| 14:37 | kellym | #vote 4 |
| 14:37 | tuxayo | no worries :P |
| 14:37 | kidclamp | #vote 4 |
| 14:37 | cait | i'll give you another moment |
| 14:37 | tcohen | #vote 4 |
| 14:37 | nugged | #vote 4 |
| 14:38 | cait | closing vote.... |
| 14:38 | tuxayo | It's just that I don't know what to pick so I leave it to you folks |
| 14:38 | cait | #endvote |
| 14:38 | huginn` | Voted on "How many general meeetings should we hold annually?" Results are |
| 14:38 | 2 (1): Joubu | |
| 14:38 | 4 (10): cait, oleonard, ashimema, marcelr, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, nugged, thd, kellym | |
| 14:38 | cait | #agreed General IRC meetings to be held quarterly / 4 times a year |
| 14:38 | ok, next is when | |
| 14:38 | is one month before release early enough for team vote? | |
| 14:38 | that would be | |
| 14:38 | marcelr | and the time zones |
| 14:39 | cait | April, July, Oktober, Janury |
| 14:40 | i think if we mainly hold elections and use it for community decisons twice a day won't work well | |
| 14:40 | better to maybe rotate times... and less often gives it maybe more importance | |
| 14:40 | tuxayo | yes ^^" |
| 14:40 | cait | ok with months? |
| 14:40 | oleonard | April, July, October, & January sounds good to me. |
| 14:40 | marcelr | yes |
| 14:40 | fridolin | +1 |
| 14:40 | thd | Joubu: If two of four meetings are considered non-critical and very poorly attended, we may yet have two meetings per year. |
| 14:41 | cait | #agreed General meetings will be held April, July, Oktober, January |
| 14:41 | we are getting closer | |
| 14:41 | first Wednesday each month? | |
| 14:41 | marcelr | great |
| 14:41 | cait | or is that bad for january? |
| 14:41 | then maybe second wednesday | |
| 14:42 | marcelr | greater |
| 14:42 | thd | I prefer something other than the first Wednesday. |
| 14:42 | fridolin | second is better |
| 14:42 | cait | #agreed Date is the second Wednesday of a month |
| 14:42 | thd | ... something other than the first Wednesday in genral. |
| 14:42 | cait | closing in |
| 14:42 | times | |
| 14:43 | i think this is too big | |
| 14:43 | can we decide on the time for hte next meeting in Janaury? | |
| 14:43 | and then move on from there? | |
| 14:43 | ashimema | sounds good to me |
| 14:43 | marcelr | rotate 8 or 12 hours ? |
| 14:43 | cait | we could make it a first topic |
| 14:43 | thd | cait++ |
| 14:43 | cait | and ask people to supply their suggestions beforehand |
| 14:43 | i'll set a reminder | |
| 14:44 | #action cait to set a reminder about sending a reminder emai for next general IRC and adding drafts for things | |
| 14:44 | what was today? | |
| 14:44 | as a starting point? | |
| 14:44 | 14:00 UTC ok? | |
| 14:44 | will be an hour earlier then I think here... daylight savings | |
| 14:44 | ashimema | yup |
| 14:45 | cait | #agreed The January meeting will be held on 14 UTC, later meeting times to be decided |
| 14:45 | great | |
| 14:45 | moving on? :) | |
| 14:45 | fridolin | yup |
| 14:45 | cait | #topic Elections / Roles for 22.05 |
| 14:45 | Topic for #koha is now Elections / Roles for 22.05 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 20 October 2021) | |
| 14:46 | cait | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_22.05 Roles for 22.05 |
| 14:46 | ok, first thing: I'd like to vote for the whole "list" togehter, but not if there is a veto | |
| 14:46 | marcelr | we miss packgaging and translation ? |
| 14:46 | cait | and if there are any questions about candidates, we should deal with that now |
| 14:46 | yes, missing roles we also need to discuss | |
| 14:46 | caroline_crazycatlady | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon22_Proposals |
| 14:47 | Joubu | dev install in English! |
| 14:47 | marcelr | caroline_crazycatlady++ |
| 14:47 | ashimema | is Wainui really going to continue supporting 19.11? |
| 14:47 | cait | yes |
| 14:47 | tuxayo | oops, there is a hole in the RMaint proposals. I would say Wainui can still RMaint 20.05.x and have an in-house 19.11.x if catalyst needs it. But I forgot to ask. |
| 14:47 | cait | See rangi's mail from yesterday |
| 14:47 | Joubu | yes, it's on the list |
| 14:47 | cait | i don't think they offer for themselves |
| 14:47 | tuxayo | ok, I'll see |
| 14:48 | cait | it' sgoing to be our first LTS possibly |
| 14:48 | Joubu | we won't call it LTS until we have a more global discussion, but yes, that would be a plan |
| 14:48 | cait | so maybe having the 'hole' is ok ? |
| 14:48 | Joubu | ofc |
| 14:48 | * ashimema | sees no email from chris |
| 14:48 | Joubu | koha-devel |
| 14:48 | security improvements topic | |
| 14:49 | cait | heh |
| 14:49 | tuxayo | > so maybe having the 'hole' is ok ? |
| 14:49 | Right, actually that doesn't block anything technically, does it? | |
| 14:49 | cait | she knows the version, has everything set up, they offer to continue - makes sense for me |
| 14:49 | fridolin | i think we should avoid working on 20.05, we can have a gap |
| 14:49 | cait | ok, but then we shoudl remove it and have a discussion about LTS next dev? |
| 14:49 | oleonard | https://www.mail-archive.com/k[…]org/msg12593.html |
| 14:49 | tuxayo | It kinda forbids 19.11.x => 20.05.x upgrade but hopefully it's not needed |
| 14:49 | cait | or ... mailingl ist of course |
| 14:50 | it shoudl not | |
| 14:50 | our database updates are idempotent for a while | |
| 14:50 | or shoudl be | |
| 14:50 | Joubu | first ML, this email should get more attention, also about the other questions/suggestions |
| 14:50 | cait | so that shoudl not hurt updates |
| 14:51 | #info Please check the discussion on a LTS version of Koha in the security improvements thread on koha-devel | |
| 14:51 | tuxayo | > our database updates are idempotent for a while |
| 14:51 | if 19.11.x get a DB change next cycle, then it would work if and instance move to 20.05.x afterwards | |
| 14:51 | But we could say that's ok | |
| 14:51 | 20.05.x is dropped, that's all | |
| 14:51 | cait | hm we might want to discourage jumping to 20.05.. yeah |
| 14:52 | but i don't think a database change is likely for now - we will see | |
| 14:52 | * ashimema | thinks if we're going LTS we should reduce the number of other stables we support |
| 14:52 | fridolin | sure, Ubuntu for example you must jump from old LTS to new LTS |
| 14:52 | cait | maybe step by step? |
| 14:52 | ashimema | more QA people, less maintainers |
| 14:52 | fridolin | you cant go to an instable between |
| 14:52 | cait | can we postpone LTS discussion to dev meeting? |
| 14:52 | marcelr | yes |
| 14:53 | cait | #action tuxayo to add LTS to next dev meetings agenda |
| 14:53 | fridolin | sure |
| 14:53 | tuxayo | ok |
| 14:53 | cait | so, any other questions for roles/volunteers? |
| 14:53 | oleonard | Can we continue with a team vote even though there are gaps? I don't think there would be any contention about volunteers after a vote. |
| 14:53 | cait | sorry, can you rephrase? |
| 14:53 | thd | Can we draft anyone now quickly for empty roles? |
| 14:54 | cait | contention? |
| 14:54 | tcohen | I added myself to CI |
| 14:54 | marcelr | tcohen++ |
| 14:54 | cait | The big gaps are tranlation manager |
| 14:54 | packaging team | |
| 14:54 | irc meeting | |
| 14:54 | tuxayo | same confusion for me ^^ «contention about volunteers» |
| 14:54 | cait | but the first 2 are crucial |
| 14:54 | i think having a vote and then appointing them more iformally maybe? | |
| 14:54 | marcelr | does bernardo stop? |
| 14:54 | cait | or agree to meet again in a week |
| 14:55 | i haven' theard about him stopping, he might just have missed the wiki page | |
| 14:55 | ashimema | 'contention' - meaning 'nobody would be upset at people volunteering later.. we'd all likely vote them in' |
| 14:55 | tcohen | he's typing his answer on WhatsApp |
| 14:55 | cait | tcohen: do you know? call him? heh |
| 14:55 | Joubu | Bernardo is always late for the role |
| 14:55 | ashimema | yup |
| 14:55 | tcohen | he's in |
| 14:55 | ashimema | would be nice to have some new blood in translations |
| 14:55 | marcelr | solved |
| 14:55 | ashimema | but bernardo keeps it ticking along |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Is Liz Rea currently website maintainer? |
| 14:55 | cait | she is running the website |
| 14:55 | her infrastructure i think | |
| 14:55 | jzairo joined #koha | |
| 14:55 | Joubu | mtj will certainly continue as packager manager |
| 14:56 | cait | i've been making some updates on content |
| 14:56 | like listings for the support providers | |
| 14:56 | Joubu | otherwise he would have told us I think |
| 14:56 | tuxayo | ashimema: thanks for clarification. yes, no risk of contention I think. |
| 14:56 | cait | ... and doing permission updates for translators |
| 14:56 | ashimema | we have had new volunteers for website work before.. but they never managed to actually take over |
| 14:56 | * cait | needs less hats |
| 14:56 | * ashimema | needs less hats too |
| 14:56 | marcelr | winter comes |
| 14:56 | ashimema | I've also helped with website over the years and have access.. |
| 14:57 | fridolin | we need more heads |
| 14:57 | oleonard | I can help maintain the web site if folks can get me set up. |
| 14:57 | cait | not more hats, more heads! |
| 14:57 | jzairo | I’d be happy to help fill the role for IRC meeting facilitator |
| 14:57 | cait | #info Koha needs more heads for districuting hats |
| 14:57 | ashimema | how aobut 'website mainters' |
| 14:57 | tcohen | I provided a big server for running community things |
| 14:57 | ashimema | share the load and help Liz |
| 14:57 | cait | jzairo++ |
| 14:57 | quck, sign her up! | |
| 14:57 | tcohen | that is only running the API docs right now |
| 14:57 | ashimema | oh nice one 🙂 |
| 14:57 | caroline_crazycatlady | jzairo++ |
| 14:58 | tcohen | it has 15.5GB of spare RAM |
| 14:58 | ashimema | you'll do a much better job than i did jzairo 🙂 |
| 14:58 | cait | the issue with website is it also runs the manuals |
| 14:58 | ashimema | we can shift the manuals easily enough |
| 14:58 | cait | jzairo: can you add yourself to wiki or do you want us to do it? |
| 14:58 | jzairo | I can update the wiki now! |
| 14:58 | cait | thx! |
| 14:58 | tcohen | I volunteer to help with CI/CD of the manuals on this new server |
| 14:58 | cait | ok, i see we also got a translation manager |
| 14:58 | that leaves packaging as the next urgent? | |
| 14:59 | Joubu | thx jzairo! |
| 14:59 | * tcohen | thinks we should volunteer eythian |
| 14:59 | cait | heh |
| 14:59 | Joubu | put mtj |
| 14:59 | I am sure he forgot | |
| 14:59 | marcelr | mtj++ |
| 14:59 | ashimema | agreed |
| 14:59 | * cait | is very happy to see that QA has heads! |
| 15:00 | cait | Joubu: will you? ;) |
| 15:00 | Joubu | if we are not all editing the page at the same time |
| 15:00 | cait | i'll prepare the vote statement |
| 15:00 | oleonard | And afterwards we will tell him he forgot that he put himself down for the job |
| 15:00 | cait | that's the plan :) |
| 15:01 | Joubu | added |
| 15:01 | fridolin | "it's a trap" |
| 15:01 | cait | jzairo: to get you started later: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Chairing_meetings |
| 15:01 | Joubu | Who's Jake? |
| 15:01 | cait | which jake? |
| 15:01 | Joubu | Wiki team member |
| 15:01 | oleonard | There are Two Jakes? |
| 15:01 | ashimema | two? |
| 15:01 | wahanui | two are relatively straight forward ,and I've talked about them before in other forums (only 10 min each) |
| 15:02 | Joubu | Aude as well? |
| 15:02 | ashimema | Jake is one of ours |
| 15:02 | tcohen | bernardo complained we collisioned |
| 15:02 | ashimema | as is Aude |
| 15:02 | Aude is going to shadow Lucy on docs.. pick up how it works and start contributing (and intends to help write a advent post about it) | |
| 15:02 | caroline_crazycatlady | Aude sounds like a french name |
| 15:02 | ashimema | it is 😉 |
| 15:03 | I meant to introduce them but it was a bit of a rush this morning 😉 | |
| 15:03 | fridolin | oui c'est le cas |
| 15:03 | caroline_crazycatlady | i thought she was with biblibre :) |
| 15:03 | Joubu | PTFS-e in force |
| 15:03 | ashimema | Jake has lots of Wiki experience so wants to lend a hand there under my guidance 😉 |
| 15:03 | * ashimema | isn't a bully.. honest |
| 15:03 | caroline_crazycatlady | lots of new names in PTFS-E |
| 15:03 | marcelr | if you say so |
| 15:03 | ashimema | that's two out of the three new hires 😉 |
| 15:04 | caroline_crazycatlady | good for you! :D |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | congrats, send welcome to all 3! :D |
| 15:04 | ashimema | we lost 3 this year too though 😉 |
| 15:04 | oleonard | ashimema should share his whip-cracking skills at the next in-person gathering |
| 15:04 | * ashimema | hopes to bring at least two to hackfest |
| 15:05 | cait | i'd be ready to start the vote |
| 15:05 | is the wiki page ready? | |
| 15:05 | oleonard | ashimema: two whips?? |
| 15:05 | jzairo | thanks you |
| 15:05 | cait | #startvote Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki? (yes, no, abstain) |
| 15:05 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki? Valid vote options are , yes, no, abstain, . |
| 15:05 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 15:06 | cait | just vote so we get this done with please ;) |
| 15:06 | oleonard | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | kidclamp | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | cait | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | tcohen | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | fridolin | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | caroline_crazycatlady | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | ashimema | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | Joubu | we should add marcelr somewhere |
| 15:06 | nugged | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | kellym | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | Joubu | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | thd | #vote yes |
| 15:06 | cait | Joubu: he is QA |
| 15:06 | Joubu | not enough : |
| 15:06 | :) | |
| 15:07 | petrova | #vote yes |
| 15:07 | tcohen | I added our Rocio to the Doc team, be gentle with the newbie please |
| 15:07 | cait | giving it a litttle bit more time |
| 15:07 | caroline_crazycatlady | another new person! :D |
| 15:08 | * cait | loves new persons |
| 15:08 | PerplexedTheta | Just picked this one up - I'm Jake (Hi!) |
| 15:08 | cait | nice to meet you! |
| 15:08 | oleonard | Two Rocios? |
| 15:08 | cait | only one i thin |
| 15:08 | k | |
| 15:08 | caroline_crazycatlady | Hi Jake! |
| 15:08 | fridolin | hi Jake |
| 15:08 | tuxayo | PerplexedTheta welcome! ^^ |
| 15:08 | caroline_crazycatlady | There is one Rocio at bywater I think |
| 15:08 | that makes two ;) | |
| 15:09 | cait | ok |
| 15:09 | you are drifting off | |
| 15:09 | #endvote | |
| 15:09 | huginn` | Voted on "Do you agree with the Release Team for 22.05 as stated on the wiki?" Results are |
| 15:09 | yes (13): Joubu, cait, oleonard, ashimema, tuxayo, kidclamp, fridolin, tcohen, caroline_crazycatlady, nugged, petrova, thd, kellym | |
| 15:09 | Joubu | Rocío and Rocio |
| 15:09 | cait | we got a release team! |
| 15:09 | confetti! | |
| 15:09 | wahanui | o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 15:09 | oleonard | *whew* |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | !confetti |
| 15:09 | * fridolin | clap clap |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | 🎉 |
| 15:09 | cait | #agreed The release team as stated on the wiki at this time was elected. |
| 15:09 | Joubu | good luck fridolin! |
| 15:09 | fridolin | Thanks a lot |
| 15:09 | cait | you'll need it! ;) |
| 15:10 | i like the time plan, it was a little worry | |
| 15:10 | hope that works out for you | |
| 15:10 | fridolin | big step for me |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | the time plan? |
| 15:10 | cait | i'll have to figure out when that is here actually |
| 15:10 | Joubu | I'll let you schedule a meeting for the handover |
| 15:10 | oleonard | fridolin: I hope Joubu's iron fist fits you. |
| 15:10 | cait | tuxayo: in frido's proposal |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | ok! |
| 15:10 | fridolin | ^^ |
| 15:10 | cait | Joubu: can you help me with the next meeting bit? |
| 15:10 | I always get that wrong | |
| 15:10 | January 12 14 utc | |
| 15:10 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: X November 2021, 14 UTC |
| 15:10 | ha | |
| 15:11 | general | |
| 15:11 | #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC | |
| 15:11 | cait | #info Next General meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC |
| 15:11 | Joubu | no |
| 15:11 | next meet | |
| 15:11 | cait | what did i do? |
| 15:11 | oh | |
| 15:11 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC |
| 15:11 | cait | #info Next meeting: 12 January 2022, 14 UTC |
| 15:11 | you said general! :) | |
| 15:11 | Joubu | :) |
| 15:11 | nugged | fridolin: looking forward to chat more one day too – you'd have our assistance from Finland :) 🤝 |
| 15:11 | cait | almost in time |
| 15:12 | good meeting everyone! | |
| 15:12 | fridolin | nugged: thanks you are great |
| 15:12 | cait | cya in January! ;) |
| 15:12 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:12 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 15:12 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Oct 20 15:12:20 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:12 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-10-20-14.00.html | |
| 15:12 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-10-20-14.00.txt | |
| 15:12 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]20-14.00.log.html | |
| 15:12 | oleonard | Thank you very much for chairing cait |
| 15:12 | cait++ | |
| 15:12 | fridolin | cait++ |
| 15:12 | Joubu | cait++ |
| 15:12 | caroline_crazycatlady | cait++ |
| 15:12 | tuxayo | Thanks all, cait++ |
| 15:12 | caroline_crazycatlady | all++ |
| 15:12 | cait | it felt... familiar... good old times heh :) |
| 15:12 | thd | cait++ |
| 15:12 | tuxayo | Thanks a lot to those who reached people last minute to fill the wiki page |
| 15:12 | nugged | 🤗 |
| 15:13 | Joubu | fridolin: I'll let you schedule a meeting for the handover |
| 15:13 | cait | yep, good effort |
| 15:13 | tuxayo | fridolin++ |
| 15:13 | fridolin | Joubu: oki thanks |
| 15:14 | * fridolin | 👑 |
| 15:14 | fridolin | i'm very proud to where it |
| 15:14 | long live the community | |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | ^o^ |
| 15:15 | oleonard | I have a question about Mana before everyone disappears... You can search Mana for a subscription, but it looks like you can't do anything from there? |
| 15:16 | ashimema | Nice one |
| 15:16 | cait++ | |
| 15:16 | fridolin | see you |
| 15:17 | fridolin left #koha | |
| 15:17 | ashimema | community++ |
| 15:18 | oleonard | Oh no everyone disappeared |
| 15:18 | tuxayo | indeed ^^" |
| 15:23 | tcohen | cait++ |
| 15:23 | Joubu++ | |
| 15:23 | fridolin++ | |
| 15:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #702: UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]0_MDB_Latest/702/ |
| 15:27 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:29 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #205: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U18/205/ |
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| 18:00 | fridolin | hi there |
| 18:00 | wahanui | what's up, fridolin |
| 18:54 | tuxayo | lol we will have oldoldoldoldstable next cycle. |
| 19:03 | jzairo left #koha | |
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| 20:12 | cait | hm someone still here and could try something on master? |
| 20:12 | turn on local covers and upload one from images tab in staff detail gives me a 500 | |
| 20:14 | Joubu: still around? | |
| 20:22 | i think this is related to my devbox not being aware of CGI::Session::Serialize::yamlxs... or it not being there | |
| 20:37 | ok, my PERL5LIB in koha-httpd.conf was missing the lib directory... not sure if that's because of kohadevbox or because something is missing for new installs? | |
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| 21:27 | tuxayo | > turn on local covers and upload one from images tab in staff detail gives me a 500 |
| 21:27 | I'll try | |
| 21:40 | tcohen | tuxayo: eyes on bug 29275 and friends are welcome. it is hurting sites with thousands of checkouts on bibs |
| 21:40 | huginn` | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29275 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , issuehistory.pl is very slow when there are many historical issues |
| 21:42 | tuxayo | tcohen: ok :) I'm postponing my hold rules checker for next cycle, I can't get a club hold test finished quick enough. I hope Selenium 4 will help. |
| 21:42 | So I'll go back to testing other's bugs. It's more fun ^^ | |
| 21:43 | tcohen | let me know if I can help you as well |
| 21:43 | tomorrow, now clocking out | |
| 21:43 | bye all! | |
| 21:43 | tuxayo | bye! |
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| 22:50 | tuxayo | @later tell cait works for me |
| 22:50 | huginn` | tuxayo: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:50 | tuxayo | oops read to fast the next message, you actually solved it |
| 22:55 | well, in the record detail page I see the image and below it I see the loading spinner still there. Forever. | |
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| 23:30 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 23:30 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 23:30 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_MDB_Latest build #703: FIXED in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]0_MDB_Latest/703/ |
| 23:32 | tuxayo | mtj around? Are you ok to continue packaging for next cycle? |
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