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| 06:50 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 08:55 | Joubu | anyone around familiar with the "return claim" workflow? |
| 08:57 | when is supposed to be removed the LOST av (ClaimReturnedLostValue) from items.itemlost? | |
| 09:07 | fridolin | Joubu: hi, Bug 28230 whould you say it is also for old branches ? even with dependancy on 22824 only in master |
| 09:07 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28230 blocker, P5 - low, ---, joonas.kylmala, Pushed to master , Renewing/Checking out record with AE or OE letter in title can make Koha totally unfunctional |
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| 09:08 | Joubu | fridolin: try the test |
| 09:08 | if it passes, you don't need the patches | |
| 09:09 | only master *should* be affected | |
| 09:11 | fridolin | oki |
| 09:12 | mmm caches with and without patch | |
| 09:12 | but maybe my install is not ok | |
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| 09:34 | Joubu | caches? |
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| 10:22 | oleonard | Hi |
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| 10:28 | oleonard | So... this doesn't work: [% SEARCH_RESULT.${status}_count | html %] |
| 10:28 | Can I make it work? | |
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| 10:56 | oleonard | \o\ \o| /o/ |
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| 11:03 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 11:03 | " | |
| 11:06 | Joubu | oleonard: maybe try [% SET status_count_var = status _ '_count' %] then [% SEARCH_RESULT.$status_count_var | html %]? |
| 11:08 | oleonard | Thanks Joubu I will try that. I was hoping I was missing a solution with fewer steps. |
| 11:08 | Joubu | otherwise maybe SEARCH_RESULT.item(status _ '_count')? |
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| 11:42 | tcohen | hola |
| 11:46 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
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| 12:04 | Joubu | asking again my question: |
| 12:04 | anyone around familiar with the "return claim" workflow? | |
| 12:04 | when is supposed to be removed the LOST av (ClaimReturnedLostValue) from items.itemlost? | |
| 12:05 | * oleonard | doesn't know |
| 12:06 | Joubu | AndrewFH or kidclamp maybe? |
| 12:07 | AndrewFH | Do you mean when should the item go back to itemlost=0? |
| 12:07 | Joubu | yes |
| 12:08 | AndrewFH | either when the item gets checked in or when staff manually edit it. Marking an item found doesn't resolve the claim and resolving the claim doesn't mark it found |
| 12:09 | (although some automation of that linkage is a logical next enhancement for the process) | |
| 12:09 | Joubu | you cannot manually edit itemlost if the value is equal to ClaimReturnedLostValue |
| 12:09 | and checking it in: "Item is lost, cannot be checked in." | |
| 12:10 | AndrewFH | is that true in all screens? my memory is you could still edit it from the edit item screen, just not from the Items tab in the record |
| 12:10 | Joubu | it's true from both screens |
| 12:10 | AndrewFH | hmm, so you have BlockReturnofLostItems on? That's a mean little trap we've caught you in |
| 12:11 | Joubu | yep, BlockReturnOfLostItems is on |
| 12:11 | AndrewFH | yeah, that stinks, we need to give you some sort of route out of that |
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| 12:12 | AndrewFH | and by "you" I mean "one" or "the user" |
| 12:15 | did the lost status become uneditable when set to Claims due to bug 24279? or was there another patch in there? | |
| 12:15 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24279 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Claims Returned does not work when set from moredetail.pl or additem.pl |
| 12:16 | Joubu | yes it's coming from there |
| 12:18 | AndrewFH | that seems questionable -- I understand that we don't want folks setting things TO claimed from there, but don't quite understand why we should block them from moving things out of claimed via item edit. at that point, the claim is already made and is being maintained independently of the lost status |
| 12:18 | * AndrewFH | looks around for khall |
| 12:19 | Joubu | shouldn't we remove the lost (claim) status when the claim is resolved? |
| 12:22 | AndrewFH | I don't see any clear reason not to, that makes sense to me. But then again libraries are weird and I wouldn't be surprised if someone out there really doesn't want the lost status to clear automatically. |
| 12:22 | I would love for it to be an option | |
| 12:24 | oleonard | I want to say "Of course the lost status should go away when the claim is resolved" but you're right... libraries are weird. |
| 12:26 | AndrewFH | and/or, it could make sense for the Claims lost value to be exempted from BlockReturnOfLostItems |
| 12:28 | before kyle starting coding Claims we had a fun exercise where 5 different BWS employees tried to agree about exactly what Claims should do, how it should work. It revealed a great lack on consensus, even among folks who came out of more or less the same types of libraries | |
| 12:28 | Joubu | (and found bug 28270..) |
| 12:28 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28270 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Wrong tooltip displayed on moredetail for the claim lost status |
| 12:29 | tcohen | when a patron claims something was returned, the resolution might be to consider it lost and charge the patron, right? |
| 12:30 | what is a claim resolution? | |
| 12:30 | oleonard | the claim returned feature is not based on any kind of real-world logic ;) |
| 12:30 | tcohen | well, I'm sure it was requested by someone who wanted it like this |
| 12:31 | hehe | |
| 12:31 | AndrewFH | see also bug 27753 |
| 12:31 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27753 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Automate resolution of return claim when checking in an item |
| 12:31 | tcohen | right |
| 12:32 | AndrewFH | but I can see the use of something that goes the other way -- automatic lost status change and/or return of item when one resolves the claim |
| 12:33 | oleonard | I'm not sure what all the choices are when libraries resolve a claim. They're forgiving the item? They're taking payment for it? Are there other options? |
| 12:35 | Joubu | "found in library", "returned by patron" are the default values |
| 12:35 | tcohen | we need a table for resolutions, and what they trigger |
| 12:35 | oleonard | Both of which should be automatically resolved by a check-in, so why can you "manually" resolve it that way? |
| 12:37 | Joubu | well, if BlockReturnOfLostItems is set you cannot check it in :) |
| 12:39 | tcohen | it is totally normal to expect to resolve the claim without a checkin |
| 12:40 | in my opinion | |
| 12:40 | AndrewFH | that resolution doesn't currently touch anything outside of Claims, though. it's just grabbing some options from an auth value |
| 12:40 | oleonard | tcohen: Why do you say that? |
| 12:40 | tcohen | AndrewFH that's why I claim we need to evolve and add semantics to the resolutions |
| 12:41 | oleonard because I think it is natural to provide a path for claim resolution, from the patron's page | |
| 12:41 | AndrewFH | well, one of the possible outcomes of a claim is the patron realizes they DO still have the item and decides to keep it a while longer. in that case we would want to resolve the claim, remove the lost status, not return the item |
| 12:42 | oleonard | I would say that's not "resolving" the claim but "cancelling" it. |
| 12:42 | tcohen | AndrewFH I'm just pointing implementing that shouldn't forget other cases |
| 12:42 | AndrewFH | @tcohen yup! |
| 12:42 | huginn | AndrewFH: I suck |
| 12:43 | tcohen | huginn you don't |
| 12:43 | huginn | tcohen: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 12:43 | AndrewFH | sorry, huginn, I tried to make it like a slack message, my bad |
| 12:43 | Joubu | so resolving should lead to a itemlost update |
| 12:43 | either manual (pick one itemlost value) or automatic (=0) | |
| 12:43 | AndrewFH | oleonard, then we need a cancel method (there isn't one already, right?) |
| 12:45 | sounds good to me. nice next step would be something to map resolution values to lost values. so when I resolve it with resolution A it goes to lost=0 but resolution B goes to lost=1 | |
| 12:45 | Joubu | you can *remove* a claim but then you lose the history |
| 12:47 | oleonard | As I imagine it, there are only two paths to finding a claimed returned item: The patron looks for it and/or the library looks for it. This implies that there ought to be a built-in report on the circulation page for any items claimed returned at that library (checked out from there or having its home branch there). |
| 12:47 | tcohen | we need to map claim resolution statuses to itemlost values |
| 12:47 | that's why I say we need semantics / a table | |
| 12:48 | (i.e. for automatic changes) | |
| 12:49 | oleonard | If something is claimed returned I would think the library should have a way of marking that it has been searched for in the library and not found. |
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| 12:51 | tcohen | oleonard agreed |
| 12:51 | or found | |
| 12:52 | or the patron phones saying they found it | |
| 12:52 | oleonard | Right... My instinct tells me that libraries are handling part of this process outside of Koha in ways we don't understand. |
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| 12:56 | oleonard | I've built something outside of Koha for handling this kind of thing at my library... It's called "shelf checks," and someone at each library checks a box when they've searched for it. |
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| 13:05 | magnuse | cookbook meeting in 25 minutes? |
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| 13:18 | Joubu | @later tell AndrewFH bug 28271 |
| 13:18 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:18 | Joubu | tcohen: I was expecting this change to fail as I didn't modify the api spec.. |
| 13:19 | tcohen | 28271? |
| 13:19 | context? | |
| 13:20 | Joubu | yes 28271 |
| 13:20 | bug 28271 | |
| 13:20 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28271 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to set a new lost status when a claim is resolved |
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| 13:22 | Joubu | tcohen: patch attached to adjust the rest api spec |
| 13:22 | but I thought the PUT would have been rejected without it | |
| 13:23 | tcohen | that's because the definition is missing "additionalProperties": false |
| 13:23 | see patron.json | |
| 13:24 | Joubu | ha, shouldn't it be always true? |
| 13:24 | well, false | |
| 13:24 | tcohen | yes |
| 13:26 | Joubu | bug 28272 |
| 13:26 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=28272 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Definition files are missing additionalProperties: false |
| 13:27 | Joubu | you write a patch and I write a QA test? |
| 13:27 | (not urgent :D) | |
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| 13:34 | magnuse | caroline, Joubu, ashimema, cait1, oleonard-away Cookbook-meeting now, or are my time calculations off? |
| 13:35 | ashimema | oh.. yes |
| 13:35 | * ashimema | has had a busy day |
| 13:35 | caroline | ack sorry! I was making breakfast |
| 13:35 | cait1 | sorry, can only spare one eye right now :) |
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| 13:36 | caroline | we'll make it quick |
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| 13:36 | ashimema | mmm, breakfast |
| 13:36 | * ashimema | has been sueless and not submitted any recipes yet :( |
| 13:37 | caroline | #startmeeting Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021 |
| 13:37 | huginn | Meeting started Fri Apr 30 13:37:07 2021 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:37 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:37 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021) | |
| 13:37 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'cookbook_meeting_30_april_2021' |
| 13:37 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_16_april_2021 |
| 13:37 | caroline | #topic Introductions |
| 13:37 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021) | |
| 13:37 | caroline | #Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro |
| 13:37 | oleonard-away | #info Owen Leonard, slacker, Athens County Public Library, USA |
| 13:37 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro |
| 13:37 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 13:37 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Norway |
| 13:37 | caroline | (trying to be too quick) |
| 13:37 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, Germany |
| 13:38 | caroline | #topic Review of action points |
| 13:38 | Topic for #koha is now Review of action points (Meeting topic: Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021) | |
| 13:38 | caroline | caroline will search how to create an index in ReStructuredText done! |
| 13:38 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, UK |
| 13:39 | caroline | If you look at the source of the file here |
| 13:39 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]/henfricassee.rst | |
| 13:39 | you will see .. index:: with the tags | |
| 13:39 | I added tags for each recipe we'd already received | |
| 13:40 | ashimema, do you have the link for the rendered cookbook? | |
| 13:40 | cait1 | caroline++ |
| 13:40 | caroline | I don't know where to find it |
| 13:41 | Joubu | https://koha-community.gitlab.io/koha-cookbook/ |
| 13:41 | caroline | ah thanks Joubu! |
| 13:41 | magnuse | i tried to render as html locally, but ran into a problem: https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]okbook/-/issues/2 |
| 13:41 | caroline | Here is the rendered index https://koha-community.gitlab.[…]ook/genindex.html |
| 13:42 | I wish it would list the recipe titles instead of comfort food, [1] | |
| 13:42 | I don't know how to change the appearance of the index | |
| 13:43 | magnuse | well done, anyway |
| 13:43 | Joubu | yes the [1] is weird |
| 13:44 | caroline | if you click on Comfort food, it goes to the first recipe and if you click on the [1] it goes to the second recipe |
| 13:44 | Joubu | it should point to the recipe if there is only one of a list of the recipes having the keyword |
| 13:44 | or* | |
| 13:45 | we will create an issue and see if we can do something | |
| 13:45 | caroline | thanks! |
| 13:45 | do you want to create the issue? | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Did we ever come to an agreement about whether adding recipes which have a known source (web site, book) is okay? |
| 13:45 | caroline | I can do it if you don't have the time |
| 13:46 | Joubu | caroline: yes I can |
| 13:46 | caroline | oleonard: here https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/Koha_cookbook |
| 13:46 | it says Note that the Koha cookbook is a public domain (CC0) project. Therefore, recipes must be original or very modified. Do not submit a recipe that is not your own, taken from a website, a book or a magazine. | |
| 13:46 | #action Joubu will create an issue to make the index look more like a recipe book index | |
| 13:47 | next action point | |
| 13:47 | modify the template to add tags/index terms at the end | |
| 13:47 | oleonard | Got it. I remember talking about the US-specific guidelines, but didn't remember if we came to a conclusion. |
| 13:47 | caroline | That is done too |
| 13:47 | I edited the recipetemplate file to add the index part | |
| 13:47 | cait1 | it's shaping up really nicely! |
| 13:47 | caroline | I don't know what tags we'll receive and if it's important |
| 13:48 | magnuse | guess we'll just have to see |
| 13:48 | caroline | I added all sorts of tags to existing recipes, like "Entertaining" for recipes that make lots of portions |
| 13:49 | cait1 | i think we can always refine/regroup those |
| 13:49 | caroline | Yeah, maybe we'll have to go back and add some tags to recipes later... we'll see |
| 13:49 | cait1 | 'd like to see what people come up with first |
| 13:49 | caroline | same |
| 13:49 | ok next point | |
| 13:49 | each one of us asks our colleagues for submissions to test the process and have more examples when we ask the community at large | |
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| 13:50 | caroline | I asked my colleagues, but they didn't submit anything... |
| 13:50 | magnuse | is the ordering of things here: https://koha-community.gitlab.[…]okbook/index.html automatic or manual? |
| 13:50 | caroline | yet, I'll have to whip them |
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| 13:50 | caroline | magnuse: that is manual |
| 13:50 | magnuse | ok |
| 13:50 | i don't have a lot of colleagues to ask :-) | |
| 13:50 | caroline | is there something you disagree with? |
| 13:50 | I wasn't sure if "Mains" was a good term | |
| 13:51 | magnuse | no, just wondering! |
| 13:51 | bywater wrote about it already | |
| 13:51 | oleonard | "Main dishes" I think is more common in English |
| 13:51 | Joubu | https://twitter.com/ByWaterSol[…]87127141649862656 |
| 13:51 | caroline | Ok I'll change it then |
| 13:52 | cute! (BWS tweet) | |
| 13:52 | cait1 | i treid with the coworkers too - but no success yet |
| 13:53 | but it looks like we might be ready overall for the wider audience? | |
| 13:53 | caroline | Yeah I think so too, it's in the next steps |
| 13:53 | last action point from last time | |
| 13:53 | Add submission info to Readme | |
| 13:53 | Done also | |
| 13:53 | #topic Next steps | |
| 13:53 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Cookbook meeting 30 april 2021) | |
| 13:54 | caroline | Send email to the mailing list to request submissions |
| 13:54 | anyone ant to volunteer? | |
| 13:54 | :D | |
| 13:54 | *crickets* | |
| 13:54 | ashimema | For this, I think it would be best coming from a librarian |
| 13:54 | caroline | good excuse ashimema lol! |
| 13:54 | ashimema | hehe |
| 13:54 | Joubu | good point ashimema |
| 13:54 | :D | |
| 13:55 | caroline | XD |
| 13:55 | Ok I'll do it | |
| 13:55 | cait1 | sorry, super busy with migration and deadlines for 21.05 |
| 13:55 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:55 | cait1 | forbidden myself to volunteer for more stuff .) |
| 13:55 | magnuse | caroline++ |
| 13:55 | caroline | #action Caroline to send an email to mailing list to ask for submissions |
| 13:56 | Anything else you think of? | |
| 13:56 | magnuse | not me |
| 13:56 | well done so far! | |
| 13:57 | caroline | I wasn wondering if we would want the cookbook to be translated eventually? |
| 13:57 | * ashimema | intends to get the family cooking some of these as a QA process ;) |
| 13:57 | caroline | (I always write kookbook for some reason) |
| 13:57 | magnuse | i'd say we are open to translations? |
| 13:57 | cait1 | caroline++ |
| 13:57 | magnuse | ashimema++ |
| 13:58 | cait1 | i'd wait until it's a little bit more stable |
| 13:58 | magnuse | yeah |
| 13:58 | cait1 | i'd probably not translate it into German for now |
| 13:58 | * ashimema | has a bunch of 6 year olds lighting fires and cooking next week.. don't think I'll be getting them to try the americans bbq recipes yet ;) |
| 13:58 | magnuse | lulz |
| 13:59 | caroline | do we want a deadline for submissions? |
| 14:00 | ashimema | we don't have a 'complexity' rating as such do we.. that could be a helpful tag one day |
| 14:00 | cait1 | hm or maybe we shoudl add one now? |
| 14:00 | easier than figuring it out later | |
| 14:00 | do we have prep time? | |
| 14:00 | caroline | no |
| 14:00 | * ashimema | didn't want to add more work into the pile |
| 14:00 | caroline | maybe something like "children friendly" |
| 14:00 | cait1 | as a tag |
| 14:00 | ? | |
| 14:00 | caroline | yes |
| 14:01 | ashimema | was just contemplating how I might find a good recipe to try out on the family/the cub group etc |
| 14:01 | cait1 | prep time or cooking tim could be a nice one to add |
| 14:02 | caroline | Maybe as an optional information? |
| 14:02 | ashimema | +1 |
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| 14:02 | cait1 | sure, optional is fine |
| 14:03 | magnuse | a deadline might inspire people to actually submit? |
| 14:03 | cait1 | but could we add a note/suggestion to template? |
| 14:03 | it can be helpful | |
| 14:03 | magnuse | we can always extend it... |
| 14:03 | cait1 | or make a "volume 2" |
| 14:03 | caroline | #action caroline to add prep/cooking time to recipetemplate |
| 14:03 | cait1 | you are a heroine caroline :) |
| 14:03 | magnuse | yes! |
| 14:03 | cait1 | waht would be a good dealine? |
| 14:03 | release with koha release... separate from it? | |
| 14:04 | caroline | I'd say separate |
| 14:04 | * magnuse | too |
| 14:04 | Joubu | release when the wiki migration is done |
| 14:04 | magnuse | hehe |
| 14:04 | "before xmas" | |
| 14:04 | ashimema | only if you're still in charge of that Joubu.. |
| 14:04 | I can trust it'll get done that way.. else we might be waiting a while :P | |
| 14:04 | cait1 | maybe sometime between releases for some buzz then? |
| 14:04 | say.. 3 months from now about? | |
| 14:04 | caroline | I think it would be nice to get the print book fro xmas |
| 14:05 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #76: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.11_U2010/76/ |
| 14:05 | cait1 | that would also give time for refinements, figuring out book printing |
| 14:05 | magnuse | yeah, print book for xmas is a good goal |
| 14:05 | exactly | |
| 14:05 | ashimema | I've not looked yet.. are the recipes especially seasonal or more general? |
| 14:05 | i.e does it need to line up with a season | |
| 14:05 | ho... we're so international that wouldn't matter | |
| 14:06 | ignore me | |
| 14:06 | magnuse | oh we do :-) |
| 14:06 | cait1 | i think they are not seasonal so far .. or more different seasons probably |
| 14:06 | caroline | well, Joy made an ice cream recipe, so I'd say that's seasonal |
| 14:06 | magnuse | yeah |
| 14:06 | cait1 | maybe bbq is more summer but a hen fricassee is more a wintery dish? |
| 14:06 | magnuse | yeah |
| 14:06 | cait1 | koha for all seasons :) |
| 14:06 | caroline | And Nick's recipe call for dandelion flowers |
| 14:06 | ashimema | if it's a general mix that's cool |
| 14:06 | cait1 | could be another thign to tag |
| 14:06 | caroline | I added the summer tag |
| 14:07 | ashimema | I was just thinking from the when to release it perspective. |
| 14:07 | caroline | I wasn't sure for winter |
| 14:07 | ashimema | hehe |
| 14:07 | Joubu | tcohen: hope you are going to submit a recipe of an Argentinian asado to compare with Brendan's |
| 14:07 | (at least for the picture, don't forget the wine) | |
| 14:07 | tcohen | Ohhhhh |
| 14:07 | cait1 | lol |
| 14:07 | ashimema | mmm, asado |
| 14:07 | caroline | alright how about july 31st? |
| 14:07 | for deadline? | |
| 14:07 | * ashimema | contemplates wood fired pizza now |
| 14:07 | magnuse | caroline: sounds good |
| 14:08 | * magnuse | will make pizza when meeting is done |
| 14:08 | caroline | #info Deadline for sumbissions is July 31st (can be extended if needed) |
| 14:08 | magnuse | what did we decide about people submitting more than one receipe? |
| 14:08 | ashimema | silly question.. are we generally aiming to stick to our local foods.. so we get a nice spread of cultures? |
| 14:08 | caroline | #info goal is to have the print book by the end of 2021 |
| 14:09 | magnuse | ashimema: i'd say anything goes |
| 14:09 | cait1 | magnuse: i think just wait and see and cut if it gets too much? |
| 14:09 | caroline | ashimema: I think you can do anything |
| 14:09 | cait1 | i'd not be unhappy about some more from you :) |
| 14:09 | * ashimema | struggles to think of what's '"British"'.. we get inspired/steal food from everywhere |
| 14:09 | magnuse | hehe |
| 14:09 | ashimema | coolios |
| 14:09 | caroline | Of course, I want to try food from elsewhere, but if wood fired pizza is what you eat, I'd say it's your culture :D |
| 14:09 | magnuse | true! |
| 14:09 | * ashimema | eats almost anything ;) |
| 14:09 | oleonard | Yeah us colonizers have trouble knowing what our traditional food is. |
| 14:10 | ashimema | and is always looking for more food inspirations.. as people can probably tell from the Signal group chat ;) |
| 14:10 | caroline | ^ yup |
| 14:10 | Joubu | meat pie, fish and chips, english breakfast, those are 100% british/UK ;) |
| 14:10 | * magnuse | plans an english breakfast for this weekend |
| 14:10 | caroline | how about may 14th for next meeting? |
| 14:11 | ashimema | haha.. 'English breakfast'.. the Welsh and Scotts might have something to say about that. |
| 14:11 | caroline | same time |
| 14:11 | ashimema | sounds good to me |
| 14:11 | Joubu | sounds early to me |
| 14:11 | cait1 | ashimema: a pie would be great actually |
| 14:11 | oleonard: can we get your pecan pie recipe? | |
| 14:11 | caroline | oh right bc of the koha release |
| 14:11 | cait1 | the one with chocolate? |
| 14:11 | ashimema | I can do pie.. sweat or savoury cait1 ;)? |
| 14:11 | magnuse | i'll probably be offline then, but don't mind me |
| 14:11 | caroline | after release then? |
| 14:11 | cait1 | I've always wanted to try a savoury one |
| 14:12 | caroline | beginning of june? |
| 14:12 | cait1 | it's not a thing here |
| 14:12 | Joubu | but could be good to have a first overview of the submission |
| 14:12 | oleonard | cait1: I feel like I can't because I got it from a published article :( |
| 14:12 | Joubu | s |
| 14:12 | magnuse | ashimema: both |
| 14:12 | cait1 | oleonard: aaah i see, but i am sure you got other good ones maybe? |
| 14:12 | ashimema | savoury and with chocolate.. hmm.. that would probably be more of a baked cheesecake type afair than an pie |
| 14:12 | sure I can find/come up with something ;) | |
| 14:12 | Joubu | no caroline, it wasn't about the release. Go for May 14th |
| 14:12 | will postpone if needed | |
| 14:12 | oleonard | cait1: I'm looking through my recipes for ones sourced "Grandmother" ;) |
| 14:12 | magnuse | oleonard: just rewrite it in your own words? |
| 14:13 | caroline | ok then |
| 14:13 | oleonard | "my own words" == "very modified" ? |
| 14:13 | magnuse | yeah |
| 14:13 | tcohen | derivative work |
| 14:13 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 14 May, 2021 14:30 UTC |
| 14:14 | I'll let you guys talk pecan pie, and Imma go finish my breakfast | |
| 14:14 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:14 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 14:14 | huginn | Meeting ended Fri Apr 30 14:14:25 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:14 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-04-30-13.37.html | |
| 14:14 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-04-30-13.37.txt | |
| 14:14 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]30-13.37.log.html | |
| 14:14 | * caroline | is hungry |
| 14:14 | cait1 | me too :) |
| 14:14 | caroline | sorry for rushing, but im starving |
| 14:14 | oleonard | :D |
| 14:15 | It's a hazard of these meetings! | |
| 14:15 | cait1 | ashimema: savoury without chocolate... the chocolate was meant for oleonard |
| 14:15 | * oleonard | could try adding bacon to the chocolate-pecan pie |
| 14:15 | cait1 | lol |
| 14:15 | i gave you all ideas... | |
| 14:16 | * magnuse | wanders off to make pizza and wishes #koha a nice weekend |
| 14:16 | cait1 | have a nice weekend all - I'll take a last dive into tickets and such :) |
| 14:16 | magnuse | there is a norwegian cookbook called "everything is better with bacon" |
| 14:17 | ashimema | sounds like my kinda cookbook magnuse |
| 14:17 | I have at least a couple of desert recipes that use bacon | |
| 14:18 | bourbon, bacon and pinapple | |
| 14:18 | that's a remarkably good combination | |
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| 14:18 | caroline | ashimema: does Mallory International ring a bell? |
| 14:19 | They wrote to us saying they're from the UK and want training for a library in Mauritius | |
| 14:19 | I'm like what? | |
| 14:19 | wahanui | well, like is it possible to translate to all calendar systems you use from one calendar system |
| 14:20 | ashimema | new one to me |
| 14:21 | * oleonard | volunteers to accept an all-expenses-paid trip to Mauritius to do on-site OPAC customization |
| 14:22 | ashimema | hehe.. |
| 14:22 | caroline | cn I give them your (PTFSe) info? |
| 14:22 | ashimema | funny.. that's just what was going through my mind.. hehe |
| 14:22 | sure | |
| 14:22 | caroline | on-site OPAC customization lol! |
| 14:23 | * oleonard | has yet to be taken up on this kind of offer |
| 14:23 | ashimema | infoptfs-europe.com should do the trick I think |
| 14:24 | or more directly to andrew.auldptfs-europe.com |
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| 14:24 | ooh.. | |
| 14:25 | sounds like one of our peeps have heard of them | |
| 14:32 | Joubu | You all noticed that tomorrow is soft ft freeze, right? |
| 14:36 | ashimema | I did |
| 14:36 | scary how fast the time is going | |
| 14:45 | tuxayo | hi #koha :) |
| 14:46 | oleonard: internet connection is bad in Mauritius so you *need* to be there to work | |
| 14:47 | oleonard | Exactly! |
| 14:49 | I can't decide if Koha should be able to find a record titled "!" or if I should just let it never be found, as a natural consequence for naming your work "!" | |
| 14:50 | Joubu | !!! |
| 14:50 | tuxayo | !!! |
| 14:52 | oleonard | https://search.myacpl.org/cgi-[…]blionumber=623604 |
| 14:52 | If you try to search for it by title on the streaming service (Hoopla) you get an error, "Your search term must be at least 2 characters long." XD | |
| 14:54 | tuxayo | ! some people did it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]mbiguation)#Music |
| 14:54 | oleonard | Well done Wikipedia! |
| 14:54 | caroline | your cataloguers should add a 246$a "Exclamationpoint" |
| 14:55 | oleonard | The standard for good relevance searching used to be Stephen King's "It" |
| 14:55 | Now we have a higher standard to strive for. | |
| 14:55 | nlegrand | :D |
| 14:55 | Joubu | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]m)?#Track_listing |
| 14:55 | 14."Signing Off" | |
| 14:56 | maybe, but won't pass QA | |
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| 15:00 | tuxayo | lol |
| 15:07 | tcohen: about git installs and compiling SCSS. «we devs build it on our environment as needed, and packaging does it as well» | |
| 15:07 | I was thinking about prod install there are at least around 200 of them ^^ . But that would work to not have NodeJS installed on each the instance if there is compilation commit added before deployment. | |
| 15:07 | After all, git installs are there to make it easy to add patches. | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | push push push |
| 15:14 | did we just lose bugzilla when I was going to push? | |
| 15:14 | ashimema | hum.. seems so |
| 15:14 | Joubu | it's not me, I promise! |
| 15:15 | ashimema | bad Joubu |
| 15:15 | :D | |
| 15:15 | does ttat mean it's time to clock off for the day. | |
| 15:16 | Joubu | I'd have prefered with Jenkins happy |
| 15:16 | ashimema | mmm, I agree |
| 15:16 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:17 | Joubu | back |
| 15:20 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Select2 style on multi-holds <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ef1b967fcc198bada> |
| 15:20 | News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Hide logged-in option if invalid pickup location <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3b24026e706d130a6> | |
| 15:20 | News from kohagit: Bug 28270: (bug 24279 follow-up) Fix tooltip for the claim lost status <https://git.koha-community.org[…]4b17ae947b023ef08> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28258: DBRev 20.12.00.043 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]45d53a9dab5d8c668> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28244: DBRev 20.12.00.044 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d6c59ba7cb3db5bd1> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28244: Fix typo in Ukrainian in history <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6b3570cb62d6fa9b1> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28258: Fix existing occurrence <https://git.koha-community.org[…]aea86d20d5380e009> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28258: Update bad formatting in AUTO_RENEWALS notice <https://git.koha-community.org[…]aa444682e7bee8dd5> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28249: Prevent Selenium->wait_for_element_visible to fall in an infinite loop <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8d9eefeb75d639967> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28250: Remove upload of debug for Selenium failures <https://git.koha-community.org[…]81768d18023561c40> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28244: Fix typo in Ukrainian in language tables in English <https://git.koha-community.org[…]429954586e58ee883> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 27864: (QA follow-up) Remove size=1 on selects (28066 follow-up) <https://git.koha-community.org[…]135abd70f54720cd3> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28207: Fix biblio_framework.frameworktext isn't in GROUP BY <https://git.koha-community.org[…]1bb7e3476faa2c117> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28217: Prevent several non-repeatable attributes to be merged <https://git.koha-community.org[…]300bc246bedbc6a7c> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 28170: Fix upload.tt search result buttons for page two onwards <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8690c0c58296e6029> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 27864: Correct dropdown size <https://git.koha-community.org[…]4d49d7c83a2603fd9> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 27864: Visual feedback on overridden pickup locations when placing hold <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d7de714a16b58c0fd> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 27932: Add GET /biblios/:biblio_id/pickup_locations route <https://git.koha-community.org[…]cd092960edb1e64eb> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 27932: Unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d0ff65cebcf78c230> | |
| 15:21 | News from kohagit: Bug 27061: Remove duplicate permission check in svc/mana/search <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6525aa70a1f22961e> | |
| 15:21 | Joubu | here we go, bye #koha, enjoy your weekend! |
| 15:21 | * ashimema | watches his inbox fill up for monday morning |
| 15:21 | tuxayo | Joubu++ |
| 15:21 | ashimema | have a great weekend guys and gals. |
| 15:21 | and anyone else that may not catch | |
| 15:22 | tuxayo | o/ ashimema |
| 15:22 | nlegrand | (V) (°,,,,°) (V) bye! |
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| 15:25 | tuxayo | ^^ |
| 15:58 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 15:58 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 15:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #581: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/581/ |
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| 16:19 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U_Stable build #171: STILL UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_U_Stable/171/ |
| 16:24 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 16:24 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 16:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1641: FIXED in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1641/ |
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| 16:28 | pra | Hi , Everyone . I am planning to install koha on a cloud environment , which one better AWS or Azure . Could you please documentation if any. |
| 16:28 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 16:28 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 16:28 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #316: FIXED in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_CPAN/316/ |
| 16:31 | tuxayo | hi pra :) |
| 16:32 | pra: doc: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian | |
| 16:33 | pra: what do you means by cloud environment? renting a VM with a full fledged OS with admin access to it? | |
| 16:34 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 16:34 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 16:34 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #562: FIXED in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/562/ |
| 16:36 | Project Koha_Master_D11 build #282: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/282/ | |
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| 16:58 | tuxayo | I'm trying to set hold rules on next available item. But I can't find it in the circ rules page. Is that named something else? |
| 16:59 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #317: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_CPAN/317/ |
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| 17:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master build #1638: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_Master/1638/ |
| 17:22 | caroline | tuxayo: what are you trying to do? (you can answer in french in dm if you need to) |
| 17:22 | tuxayo | caroline: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=28259#c1 |
| 17:22 | step 2 ^^ | |
| 17:22 | huginn | Bug 28259: major, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Needs Signoff , Checking at branch B an item in waiting hold state at branch A kill koha |
| 17:22 | oleonard | Also, you won't offend anyone if you speak French here :) |
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| 17:24 | caroline | I have no idea what did meant |
| 17:24 | :( sorry | |
| 17:28 | I think maybe when you place the hold, don't choose a specific item | |
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| 18:32 | AndrewFH | tuxayo do you mean item level holds? |
| 18:34 | fourth column from the right on the big circ rules table, "OPAC item level holds" gives you the options Allow, Don't Allow, Force | |
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| 19:48 | tuxayo | Hi AndrewFH :) |
| 19:48 | Let me check | |
| 19:48 | AndrewFH | oh, you're still around! I eventually noticed the bug you linked and figure out what didier meant |
| 19:49 | he wanted one to make sure that the circ rules were allowing you to place a bib-level hold, rather than item-level | |
| 19:49 | khall joined #koha | |
| 19:49 | tuxayo | great, thanks :D |
| 19:50 | AndrewFH | annoying bug, we just fixed the same thing in 20.11 |
| 19:51 | tuxayo | AndrewFH: you mean another similar bug affecting on 20.11? |
| 19:52 | AndrewFH | yeah, same bug behavior but apparently a different cause. https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25969 |
| 19:52 | huginn | Bug 25969: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Checking in a found hold at a different branch then confirming the hold causes internal server error |
| 19:52 | AndrewFH | well, maybe not exactly the same as I give it another look. very close |
| 20:02 | tuxayo | indeed! |
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| 21:18 | * tuxayo | discover after a year that a Koha using koha-testing-docker can't accessed via localhost instead of an IP that changes each time it's launched. |
| 21:18 | tuxayo | *can be accessed |
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