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| 07:27 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 07:38 | alex_a | Guten Morgen cait1 ! |
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| 07:51 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:32 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 08:44 | ashimema | monring |
| 08:44 | cait1 around still? | |
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| 09:57 | nlegrand | Bonjour ! |
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| 10:33 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 10:57 | cait | ashimema: doing online traning this week |
| 10:57 | so... i am done for today but not sure i'd define myself as "around" :) | |
| 11:02 | ashimema | I wanted to quiz you about translations and the breadcrumb |
| 11:04 | oleonard | o/ |
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| 11:34 | cait1 | ashimema: i am really torn there - i think probably you ar e right and we should multi-line them |
| 11:34 | ashimema | Yeah.. I'm a bit torn too |
| 11:35 | I think you're right for other cases.. I wasn't really aware how the strings get split for multi-line blocks.. | |
| 11:35 | but actually.. in the breadcrumb case it feels like the split on 'slug' is a right thing to do | |
| 11:36 | but... I'm not 100% sure on contextual needs so am needing guidance really | |
| 11:36 | what do you think about the breadcrumbs oleonard | |
| 11:37 | I've querying whether we should have a guideline regards splitting/not splitting them over multiple lines (in code layout) | |
| 11:37 | oleonard | Are we talking about a particular bug? |
| 11:37 | ashimema | a particular bug highlights it |
| 11:37 | oleonard | Does the line split affect translations? |
| 11:37 | ashimema | just digging out the number |
| 11:38 | cait1 | it can |
| 11:38 | ashimema | bug 27583 |
| 11:38 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27583 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Clarify how cash management fits together |
| 11:38 | ashimema | comment 5 |
| 11:39 | cait1 | i kinda thought at the time we had a guideline fo rit... but hten later got quite confused |
| 11:39 | so don't take it too serious yet | |
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| 11:40 | ashimema | I think we should add a guideline.. I'm not taking it personally at all.. but yeah, with a guideline it'll be much clearer for us devs to know which way to jump ;) |
| 11:40 | oleonard | Can we leverage the new translation context option to improve things? |
| 11:40 | cait1 | not sure |
| 11:40 | ashimema | personally, I feel like splitting by slug actually enhances translatability.. and if/when extra context it needed we can use the new tools as you say oleonard |
| 11:40 | cait1 | I can't think of something in this case |
| 11:40 | ashimema | but.. I don't translate.. so I'm a poor person to give recomendations |
| 11:40 | cait1 | yeah i think i'd go with that ashimema |
| 11:41 | ashimema | I'm sure there are subtleties I'm missing |
| 11:41 | cait1 | the problem is not the module names |
| 11:41 | it's hte last bits | |
| 11:41 | that can be a little hard to tanslate... but with context when we need it that would work | |
| 11:41 | ashimema | so yeah. those need the context stuff adding |
| 11:41 | once I look up how to add them ;) | |
| 11:41 | cait1 | i think i'd not add them right now |
| 11:42 | because that also moves them out of the staff po and into the messages po | |
| 11:42 | i'd do it when needed | |
| 11:44 | ashimema | oh, interseting |
| 11:44 | I wasn't aware that was the case | |
| 11:45 | cait1 | yeah, they get pulled on the fly then |
| 11:45 | ashimema | okies |
| 11:45 | oleonard | Is that a problem? |
| 11:46 | cait1 | no, it's ok |
| 11:46 | but i think ont necessary to do the work and contextualize all the things right away | |
| 11:48 | MarkHofstetter | hi, has anybody experience how to integrate e-books from a 3rd party provider - ILL doesn't seem to fit right for me because it's not really seemless |
| 11:49 | cait1 | what's the goal? i mean integrate how? |
| 11:49 | the most common is getting the metadata and loading them with links to the provider | |
| 11:49 | ashimema | well.. I'd be happy to replace my followup with the contextualising of the last slug.. could make a good example for a guideline if that's what we think would be most helpful |
| 11:49 | cait1 | but not sure if that's what you had in mind? |
| 11:50 | MarkHofstetter | importing the metadata is easy but keeping state is a little difficult, because there are no hooks (i am aware off) to plugin in the lending process |
| 11:50 | oleonard | MarkHofstetter: OverDrive, for instance, has an API that allows browsing and checkout. |
| 11:50 | cait1 | yes |
| 11:51 | or... Records something... oleonard help? | |
| 11:51 | MarkHofstetter: there are only very few providers offering lending | |
| 11:51 | usually for public libraries | |
| 11:51 | oleonard | MarkHofstetter: If the external service doesn't offer an API I don't think you can do much more than show the records in the catalog |
| 11:51 | cait1 | Onleihe? *makes a guess* |
| 11:51 | MarkHofstetter | the provider api (divibib) is not the problem, where to put it into koha |
| 11:51 | cait1 | yeah ok |
| 11:51 | you can look at how the lmscloud fork has done it | |
| 11:51 | MarkHofstetter | it's onleihe yes |
| 11:51 | cait1 | we only link to them |
| 11:52 | and lending is done on their portal - but lmscloud has a deeper integration | |
| 11:52 | and you could look at how it was done for overdrive in Koha | |
| 11:52 | the concept is pretty similar afaik | |
| 11:52 | MarkHofstetter | Ok that's interesting |
| 11:53 | are those implementation Open Source ? | |
| 11:53 | cait1 | overdrive is in koha community |
| 11:53 | MarkHofstetter | ok but I am correct that ILL is the wrong place? |
| 11:53 | cait1 | yes |
| 11:54 | ILL is for lending physical materials from other libraries | |
| 11:54 | oleonard: is your library using overdrive? | |
| 11:54 | tcohen | morning |
| 11:55 | oleonard | We don't use the API, we just load the MARC records |
| 11:55 | cait1 | my impresison was that when yo usearch it shows the overdrive results and then you get a seaprate result list you could check out from, but all in the Koha OPAC? |
| 11:55 | ah ok | |
| 11:55 | hi tcohen! | |
| 11:55 | oleonard | cait1: I think that's correct if I recall from testing. |
| 11:55 | cait1 | thx! |
| 11:56 | Onleihe is a German thing, but I believe very similar | |
| 11:56 | you lend DRM'd files for an amount of time, can place holds etc. | |
| 11:56 | MarkHofstetter | so lmscloud basically forked koha, that's something I'd like to avoid |
| 11:56 | ashimema | sorry bug 5697 got stuck oleonard.. I really liked that one |
| 11:56 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Automatic linking in guided reports |
| 11:57 | cait1 | MarkHofstetter: you could submit that back to community |
| 11:57 | but i'd also try to avoid forking :) | |
| 11:57 | ashimema | take inspiration from lmscloud and then submit it back to community :) |
| 11:57 | or look at it for inspiration for a plugin? | |
| 11:57 | cait1 | yep |
| 11:57 | MarkHofstetter | I'll try I'd like to do it in a plugin, |
| 11:57 | cait1 | exactly :) |
| 11:57 | * ashimema | hasn't really got too close with OverDrive or other integrations yet himself |
| 11:58 | cait1 | i hink a lot of libaries would find it useful |
| 11:58 | well... around here at least | |
| 11:58 | MarkHofstetter | btw had anybody the time/interest to look at https://github.com/HKS3/koha-p[…]in-link2wikipedia |
| 11:58 | ashimema | I know how I'd like to do eBooks but I've never had a chance to actually do it |
| 11:59 | MarkHofstetter | ashimema, basically I'd want to like a seamless integration |
| 11:59 | ashimema | that plugin looks pretty cool |
| 11:59 | MarkHofstetter | thx feedback is very welcome |
| 11:59 | ashimema | I'd love to see records added to koha (so we get searching natively inline) |
| 12:00 | but also having lending links and lending status displayed/accessed inline in the results | |
| 12:00 | MarkHofstetter | records aren't the problem, your second point is |
| 12:00 | ashimema | yeah.. I don't know what options the API's have. |
| 12:01 | but that's the seemless approach i'd love ot see | |
| 12:01 | I think at the moment the OverDrive stuff gives you a parallel search.. so you have two tabs to look at.. which, to me, doesn't seem as seemless | |
| 12:01 | MarkHofstetter | the onleihe api is somewhatr strange, the only thing I havent found is that the provide a download link |
| 12:02 | ashimema | I bet it's all tied up in copyright ;) |
| 12:02 | MarkHofstetter | I'll download the MARC files from them, import them with a fake barcode |
| 12:02 | ashimema | my experience so far is that these things tend to be rather walled gardens and as such very difficult to work with :( |
| 12:02 | cait1 | I think one problem was that there are providers wher eyour ebook collection might change a lot |
| 12:03 | you might add and remove records constantly... so that's hwen people prefer search over API (I ugess) | |
| 12:03 | MarkHofstetter | you'll get "Makulatur" List to remove those books |
| 12:03 | cait1 | but we also do the metadata here more and I like that better personally (one result list) |
| 12:03 | MarkHofstetter | API would be nicer |
| 12:03 | but it's not that dynamic | |
| 12:03 | cait1 | in our case they are maintained in the union catalog |
| 12:03 | and we get id lists for deleting | |
| 12:03 | ashimema | merging records into search results is hard |
| 12:04 | cait1 | for Onleihe |
| 12:04 | but htat's a pretty unique solution i guess | |
| 12:04 | ashimema: yeah, i think that's the problem | |
| 12:04 | i think there was talk about similar concept to solr shards with elasticsearch? | |
| 12:04 | MarkHofstetter | the only thing I see so far you'll need to access their page is to actually download the ebook |
| 12:04 | cait1 | that might make it easier, but don't know |
| 12:05 | MarkHofstetter | I can(have to live with that |
| 12:06 | cait1 | MarkHofstetter: I recommend looking at the code i posted before |
| 12:06 | MarkHofstetter | I'll see to it in my nightshift - thanks a lot as always |
| 12:07 | cait1 | sure, not sure we are always helpful, but always trying ;) |
| 12:08 | * ashimema | tries to work out how to get to the author page in the opac and fails |
| 12:08 | ashimema | I like the sound of your plugin MarkHofstetter |
| 12:08 | MarkHofstetter | "the sound" ,-) |
| 12:08 | ashimema | how about adding the wiki summary to the top of author search results too? |
| 12:08 | MarkHofstetter | that'd be no problem |
| 12:09 | * ashimema | is re-indexing his dev machine.. seems I haven't done that in a while.. hense things were showing funny |
| 12:09 | cait1 | :) |
| 12:11 | hm just seeing that the german library conference is planned as hybrid event... | |
| 12:12 | *sigh* | |
| 12:16 | ashimema | is there a bug in the opac on master at the minute? |
| 12:16 | I'm seeing a random '1' character in the top right and the 'Skip to main content' link is alwayd visibile | |
| 12:17 | cait1 | i am not seeing that |
| 12:17 | but i have other display issues | |
| 12:17 | bu toleonard went missing! | |
| 12:17 | bug 27889 | |
| 12:17 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27889 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Form fields in OPAC are "out of shape" and pull downs in wrong font |
| 12:17 | cait1 | oleonard-away: good you are back btw... even if away |
| 12:18 | MarkHofstetter | same thing here with the '1' |
| 12:18 | cait1 | hm let me see |
| 12:19 | i am not seeing it, but migh thave to do a git pull again | |
| 12:20 | oleonard-away: i'd be really happy if you oculd have a look at bug 27889 as this is in stable releases | |
| 12:20 | ashimema | I think it's a very recent thing.. I didn't see it before today |
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| 13:06 | * cait | waves |
| 13:10 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 13:18 | fridolin | cait: hello, Bug 24359 i can revert if needed |
| 13:18 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Pushed to stable , Remove items from Holds Queue when checked in |
| 13:18 | fridolin | or maybe we need a good release note text |
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| 13:24 | oleonard | I thought we fixed the issue with the pulldowns being the wrong font |
| 13:28 | cait | Fridolin++ |
| 13:29 | oleonard: it could be, but maybe not backported? i don't see the font one in master | |
| 13:29 | but the length of the inputs is off overall in 20.11 and master | |
| 13:29 | hm i thnk henry pointed out which bug the font one might be | |
| 13:29 | * cait | wishes she had properly written it down |
| 13:29 | cait | oh, it#s on ht bug |
| 13:30 | bug 27566 | |
| 13:30 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27566 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS rule not applying to HTML select / option - displays with serif font ignoring rules |
| 13:31 | fridolin | thre is a link with Bug 24359 ? |
| 13:31 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Pushed to stable , Remove items from Holds Queue when checked in |
| 13:31 | fridolin | strange, its not a UI change |
| 13:32 | cait: ^ | |
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| 14:04 | oleonard | $item->{pickup_locations} = 'Any library'; |
| 14:04 | :| | |
| 14:07 | Ah, tcohen beat me to it, bug 26999 | |
| 14:07 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26999 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , "Any library" not translatable on the hold list |
| 14:19 | cait | fridolin: was more thinking it's a workflow change |
| 14:19 | oleonard: what do you think about this one? | |
| 14:19 | the remove items from holds queue | |
| 14:20 | oleonard | About whether to backport? |
| 14:21 | fridolin | oleonard: yep |
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| 14:22 | oleonard | I don't know... I always to expect backports to be conservative, so I guess I wouldn't expect this one to be a candidate. |
| 14:23 | However, if the question is whether people would find it disruptive, I would say no. | |
| 14:23 | ...because it's annoying that the holds queue doesn't update. :) | |
| 14:33 | tcohen | we are making the queue update faster, aren't we? |
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| 14:39 | tcohen | the default frecquency for holdsqueue to update is hourly |
| 14:39 | this makes some cases update faster | |
| 14:48 | cait | oleonard: i think it's a good change, was just not sure about the disruptive bit |
| 14:48 | fridolin: so we keep it? :) | |
| 14:49 | tcohen: i added a release_notes-needed tag | |
| 14:49 | coudl you or Agustin take care of it? | |
| 14:51 | fridolin | cait: i'd say yes, 20.11.x is still young and it has been asked in 2020 |
| 14:54 | cait | cool :) |
| 14:54 | oleonard: thx for fixing up my follow-pu | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | I wasn't fixing your follow-up, I was adding more follow-up! |
| 14:55 | RE: RE: RE: FW: FW: | |
| 14:58 | cait | oh no :) |
| 14:59 | thx tcohen | |
| 14:59 | tcohen | :-D |
| 15:10 | ashimema | huh.. did I miss a bug saying we would change the defaults for the holdsqueue builders in the cron? |
| 15:10 | didn't I daemonize that and add a lock? | |
| 15:10 | * ashimema | tries to remember.. |
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| 16:10 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:57 | cait | ashimema: i think you wanted to, not sure if you actually patched it :) |
| 16:58 | ashimema | sounds like me |
| 16:59 | * cait | drops the mouse and keyboard for today |
| 16:59 | cait | bye #koha! |
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| 17:00 | ashimema | see ya |
| 17:11 | oleonard | caroline around? |
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| 17:12 | * oleonard | is curious about an error he's getting from the translation script |
| 17:12 | oleonard | e.g. misc/translator/Koha-pref.pot:5041:37: invalid multibyte sequence |
| 17:12 | msgid "enhanced_content.pref Babelth�que" | |
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| 17:47 | oleonard | cait's back |
| 17:48 | cait have you seen this error from the translation script, "misc/translator/Koha-pref.pot:5041:37: invalid multibyte sequence" ? | |
| 17:48 | cait | yes |
| 17:48 | but i have on idea about it :( | |
| 17:49 | did you have a couple of fatal ones too? | |
| 17:49 | well more than a couple | |
| 17:49 | i had stuff like this too | |
| 17:49 | msgmerge: found 4 fatal errors | |
| 17:49 | misc/translator/Koha-messages.pot:11:35: syntax error | |
| 17:49 | misc/translator/Koha-messages.pot:11: keyword "n" unknown | |
| 17:49 | misc/translator/Koha-messages.pot:12: end-of-line within string | |
| 17:50 | oleonard | Mine were all "invalid multibyte sequence" when updating fr-FR. |
| 17:55 | caroline | i'm back! sorry I don't know either |
| 17:57 | My 5041 line is this | |
| 17:57 | 5041 msgid "enhanced_content.pref Amazon" | |
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| 17:58 | caroline | yours is Babelthèque... maybe it doesn't like the è? |
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| 18:00 | caroline | 37th character is indeed è... I'm thinking maybe it's `+e instead of è? (or the other way around) it happens sometimes with data that I get from elsewhere |
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| 19:44 | caroline | now that all circ rules are in circulation_rules, does that mean that we could have partial rows? like All/Books the fine is 0.25$ and Teacher/Books is maxissueqty 25, Student/Books is maxissueqty 10 |
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