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| 04:04 | zjmarlow | Hello. Is there someone here who is familiar with installing on debian? I did a git clone and made it through make install okay but at the koha-create step I get "Koha instance is empty, no staff user created." Checking the database shows it is empty (no tables). Is there supposed to be a file I pass with --defaultsql to koha-create? |
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| 07:34 | paxed | i haven't checked the recent(ish) versions, but is there a way for staff to move issues.date_due and/or reserves.expirationdate without doing sql? needed occasionally when a library forgets to set closed dates for holidays or whatever ... :P |
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| 07:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:37 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
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| 07:44 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 07:45 | fridolin | hi |
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| 08:00 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 08:24 | cait1 | caroline: can we talk about spaces? :) |
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| 08:35 | ashimema | mornin |
| 08:36 | hi cait1 | |
| 08:36 | back to work today? | |
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| 09:00 | der_smon | hi! is the batch record deletion still in beta or something like that? because it is left out of the documentation (i can only find item deletion docs) |
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| 09:08 | davidnind | der_smon: see https://koha-community.org/man[…]h-record-deletion |
| 09:11 | der_smon | davidnind: thx :) |
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| 09:16 | nlegrand | Bonjour ! |
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| 13:06 | Joubu | kidclamp: thanks for the benchmark on bug 5697! So shouldn't we drop the last patch then? |
| 13:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Automatic linking in guided reports |
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| 13:06 | Joubu | It's sad because the code is (imo) much better like that |
| 13:07 | but if it adds 30sec for 2k results I don't think it's acceptable | |
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| 13:54 | caroline | cait1: spaces? |
| 13:54 | wahanui | spaces are breaking spaces |
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| 13:56 | * ashimema | reads code for bug 5697 |
| 13:56 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Automatic linking in guided reports |
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| 13:58 | ashimema | I wonder if we could shift the load to the server? |
| 13:58 | i.e. build the links in the template with a hidden class on load and only use JS to hide/show them | |
| 13:58 | rather than dynamically adding them to the DOM via JS | |
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| 14:07 | * cait1 | glares at kidclamp |
| 14:07 | ashimema | ? |
| 14:07 | cait1 | broke fines |
| 14:07 | kidclamp | um..no |
| 14:08 | cait1 | yep you did for us |
| 14:08 | ashimema | oooh.. it wasn't me? |
| 14:08 | kidclamp | I changed fines |
| 14:08 | cait1 | just taking discussion here as it's easier |
| 14:08 | kidclamp | :-) |
| 14:08 | cait1 | for our use case which is mostly weekly fines, we can't charge when the library is closed |
| 14:08 | we need to send the notices the same day the fine accrues | |
| 14:08 | meddling with the holidays breaks all that carefully configured things | |
| 14:09 | and we don't want to send on days the library is closed before you ask | |
| 14:09 | ashimema | ooh.. we liked that change here |
| 14:09 | cait1 | well we don't |
| 14:09 | and it was totally falsely advertised | |
| 14:09 | the bugs reads... when finescalendar is set to ignore | |
| 14:09 | but it affects when the finescalendar is used | |
| 14:09 | * ashimema | is confused |
| 14:10 | cait1 | and the tst plan read: |
| 14:10 | 10 - set finesCalendar to 'use' 11 - checkout an item, due yesterday 12 - run fines.pl 13 - no fine assessed | |
| 14:10 | so... now it does assess | |
| 14:10 | so don't tell me it was intended - something is wrong here :) | |
| 14:11 | * ashimema | has a cat that really doesn't want to let me read your messages today.. he's sat on my desk chasing the mouse around the screen |
| 14:11 | cait1 | hehe :) |
| 14:11 | ashimema | bug number cait |
| 14:11 | cait1 | probably because i sound grumpy |
| 14:11 | bug 27180 | |
| 14:11 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27180 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, RESOLVED FIXED, Fines cronjob does not update fines on holidays when finesCalendar is set to ignore |
| 14:11 | cait1 | and bug 27835 |
| 14:11 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27835 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Closed days offsets with one day |
| 14:12 | cait1 | I had too many morning meetings... |
| 14:12 | kidclamp | Do you want a switch then? to decide if the cron runs or not? |
| 14:13 | Logically I will argue they are the same - book due on Friday - returned on Saturday whether open or not, you didn't return on time and should be charged | |
| 14:14 | cait1 | as I said, we need to time the notices for our use case |
| 14:14 | and people here would ge tupset charged on days they could not return the item | |
| 14:14 | it's just a different expectation | |
| 14:15 | but it's the same expectation for all our libraries charging fines... so I'd really need the regression for us fixed | |
| 14:15 | this is a behavior change backported far into stables | |
| 14:15 | ashimema | i agree kidc lamp |
| 14:15 | cait1 | and the library reporting didn't like it etiher |
| 14:15 | Joubu | we could enqueue the letter but delay the sending |
| 14:16 | ashimema | darn cat is now attacking my typing hand |
| 14:16 | cait1 | Joubu: no please |
| 14:16 | print notices also need to be processed | |
| 14:16 | i really need them to be dated the same | |
| 14:16 | as before | |
| 14:16 | no workarounds | |
| 14:17 | kidclamp | you should blame the person who QAed the bug ;-) |
| 14:17 | ashimema | so you send a notice every and any time a fine is incremented? |
| 14:17 | cait1 | i do |
| 14:17 | me | |
| 14:17 | but your tet plan was wrong | |
| 14:17 | and the description was wrong too | |
| 14:17 | so i blame you too | |
| 14:17 | kidclamp | but you said it worked ;-) |
| 14:17 | cait1 | i trusted you too much |
| 14:17 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:18 | I said it was right too ;) | |
| 14:18 | cait1 | yeah, but did you actually check the second test case? |
| 14:18 | like... in the gui? | |
| 14:18 | I obviously didn't and yep, i am guilty | |
| 14:19 | actually... what the bug says would b right - if the calendar is ignored, you need to charge on closing days | |
| 14:19 | but why do we need to charge on days the library was not closed? | |
| 14:19 | um | |
| 14:20 | why do we charge when the claendar is used on days the library is closed (is what i meant) | |
| 14:20 | can we solve your original issue differently? | |
| 14:20 | so we don't need another switch that can go wrong | |
| 14:28 | ashimema | I'm confused |
| 14:28 | caroline | cait1: you wanted to talk about spaces? or are you too busy with the fines thing? |
| 14:29 | ashimema | so your saying you want to charge on closed days.. but pretend like you don't until you do... |
| 14:30 | should there be a setting to say whether you support doing dropbox type returns ever or not | |
| 14:30 | Joubu | ¡dev meeting in 30! |
| 14:30 | ashimema | if oyu do, then you hide that fact they might have been charged because they might also have returned the box in a dropbox |
| 14:31 | mm.. I'm in company meeting now.. but will try to multi-task for the dev meeting | |
| 14:31 | cait1 | caroline: just wondering because I saw a lot of .spacespace at the endof sentences in translation suddenly |
| 14:31 | the old text/manual doesn't have these | |
| 14:31 | caroline | it's an old way of typing |
| 14:31 | cait1 | ashimema: no, i want no charges on closed days ever |
| 14:32 | tuxayo | meeting in 30min! |
| 14:32 | kidclamp | days_between calculates as '1' when startdate is yesterday and enddate is today and today is a holiday - we could it subtract 1 if enddate is a holiday (we do subtract 1 if startdate is a holiday) |
| 14:33 | cait1 | if we calculate opening days that would make sense to me |
| 14:33 | on first glance | |
| 14:33 | but days_between is a global thing? i mean would it effect other things or are we still in fines.pl? | |
| 14:33 | kidclamp | but we should only do that if finescalendar, and yes, we hsould probably do it on the return in CalcFine |
| 14:35 | cait1 | that sounds like it would work |
| 14:35 | in the past the fines.pl skipped... and usually no returns where taking place on closed days, but it makes more sense to have it where the fine i calculated actually | |
| 14:36 | kidclamp | # start and end should not be closed days - days betwen has that too |
| 14:38 | question though - book due friday - we are closed saturday, but book returned saturday- should there be a charge? | |
| 14:38 | because you didn't return on friday | |
| 14:39 | ashimema | there's loads of tests written for that area of code I believe... Joubu and I worked through it allot fairly recently |
| 14:41 | kidclamp | kk, will submit something for review shortly |
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| 14:48 | cait1 | no |
| 14:49 | kidclamp: due date is usually friday 23:59 | |
| 14:49 | and then the next day is closed | |
| 14:49 | so yu are not actually late before sunsay morning (if the library is open then) | |
| 14:49 | kidclamp | but you are, you returned it after it was due |
| 14:50 | there is no scenario in which you return it before friday at 23:59 | |
| 14:50 | cait1 | if you return on saturday |
| 14:50 | yo used a bookbox i assume? | |
| 14:50 | so the date wuld be backdated to friday | |
| 14:50 | it would be as IF you retunred it on freiday | |
| 14:50 | kidclamp | and wouldn't be charged |
| 14:50 | cait1 | yep |
| 14:50 | kidclamp | but if you didn't dropbox I mean |
| 14:50 | cait1 | the old behavior was to not charge |
| 14:51 | and i stand with that :) | |
| 14:51 | here we expect the charge on the next opening day | |
| 14:51 | tuxayo | Meeting in 10! |
| 14:51 | cait1 | the fines.pl is usually run before the library opens, then it's charged |
| 14:51 | letters and emails are processed | |
| 14:52 | kidclamp | with calcfineonreturn you would have been charged |
| 14:52 | cait1 | hmm |
| 14:52 | kidclamp | these are edge cases, not (entirely) trying to aggravate you :-P |
| 14:52 | cait1 | we don't use that actually so there was always a mismatch in behaviour |
| 14:52 | but we didn't notice | |
| 14:53 | i think because daily fines are not really a thing here | |
| 14:53 | we only have a very few doing that for overnights | |
| 14:54 | the standard use case here is always a weekly increase | |
| 14:54 | with a grace period that can differ | |
| 14:54 | many years ago it was mandatory for the libraries to charge that way, so that's why we have that here i think | |
| 14:56 | and overdue notices going out the same day as the fine is applied | |
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| 14:59 | Joubu | gmcharlt: can you add '2021' to the meetings.k-c.org header please? |
| 14:59 | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021 | |
| 14:59 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Mar 10 14:59:49 2021 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 14:59 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 14:59 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_10_march_2021' |
| 14:59 | Joubu | qa_team? |
| 14:59 | wahanui | qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo |
| 14:59 | Joubu | rmaints? |
| 14:59 | wahanui | rmaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo |
| 15:00 | Joubu | #topic Introductions |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:00 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 15:00 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:00 | inlibro joined #koha | |
| 15:00 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 15:00 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_10_March_2021 |
| 15:00 | AndrewFH | #info Andrew Fuerste-Henry, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:02 | Joubu | cait1, tcohen, ashimema? |
| 15:02 | fridolin | #info Fridolin, Biblibre, France |
| 15:02 | Joubu | #topic Announcements |
| 15:02 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:02 | Joubu | Anyone have something? |
| 15:02 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:02 | Joubu | I have, but will keep them for the 'update from RM' topic |
| 15:03 | ashimema | Apologies, juggling two meetings right now |
| 15:03 | Joubu | this one is more important, ashimema :D |
| 15:03 | ashimema | #info PTFS Europe sandboxes now support installation of German, French, Spanish, Greek and Dutch translations. |
| 15:03 | fridolin | ++ |
| 15:03 | tuxayo | yay!* |
| 15:03 | ashimema | will poke bywater to grab the patches for theirs too |
| 15:04 | no other anouncements I can think of | |
| 15:04 | Joubu | #topic Update from the Release Manager (21.05) |
| 15:04 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (21.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:04 | Joubu | I will be fast, send "!" if you want me to stop |
| 15:04 | #info There is now a --run-tests option to the QA script to run the tests modified by the patchset | |
| 15:05 | Some changes on the CI: | |
| 15:05 | ashimema | Joubu++ |
| 15:05 | Joubu | #info we now have a new docker_7 node |
| 15:05 | tuxayo | QA, CI: nice! |
| 15:05 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 15:05 | Joubu | #info There is a "light test suite" that is run by Jenkins for most of the job (apart from D10) - checkout https://tree.taiga.io/project/koha-ils/task/102 for more info |
| 15:06 | * Great cleanup on the YAML module, we are now only using YAML::XS everywhere (see bug 27673 and bug 22824). | |
| 15:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27673 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Replace YAML with YAML::XS |
| 15:06 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Replace YAML::Syck with YAML::XS | |
| 15:06 | Joubu | It impacts how boolean sysprefs are read/written as we are getting rid of the (incorrect) ImplicitTyping behaviours. |
| 15:06 | * Bug 27829 | |
| 15:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Remove specific LANG installer data |
| 15:06 | Joubu | There are patches on bug 27621, bug 27623, bug 27624, and bug 27625. But others will need to be removed/adjusted. |
| 15:06 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27621 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Remove it-IT installer data |
| 15:06 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27623 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Remove pl-PL installer data | |
| 15:06 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Remove ru-RU installer data | |
| 15:06 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27625 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Remove uk-UA installer data | |
| 15:06 | Joubu | If you are using fr-FR, fr-CA or nb-NO, you should go ahead and help the move to the new system. |
| 15:06 | A goal would be to have them ALL removed for 21.11 | |
| 15:06 | You will certainly do it better than me as it needs mediculous work and good knowledge of the different files (which I don't have). | |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | ! |
| 15:07 | Joubu | I will propose to abandon and deprecate the remaining languages for the 21.11 dev cycle (ie. no more changes to specific language files, that may broke the installer). |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | > A goal would be to have them ALL |
| 15:07 | Are there for all languages? | |
| 15:07 | ashimema | nice one |
| 15:07 | cait1 | Joubu: we have known issues with different item config in the UNIMARC setups... so that will be harder. And UNIMARC is not on Pootle yet. |
| 15:07 | Joubu | yes, that's part of the 'plan' (which does not exist yet) |
| 15:07 | cait1 | tuxayo: they can be in the future, but not now. the new system will make it mouch more less technical to add any language we want |
| 15:07 | Joubu | we will have to work on the UNIMARC setup |
| 15:07 | maybe we should pick the one from fr-FR? | |
| 15:08 | cait1 | i have been thinking about that |
| 15:08 | tuxayo | So all language need to have those installer files removed? |
| 15:08 | cait1 | i think we need to keep an eye on the biblionumber link and the item mappings especially |
| 15:08 | it's much less standardized for UNIMARC, but it would be a chance to consolidate | |
| 15:08 | tuxayo: yes, we are removing the language specific sql files as a goal | |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | ok thanks |
| 15:09 | cait1 | tuxayo: so if you want sample data in your language, you can tanslate them on pootle and they will be generated from yaml files and the po |
| 15:09 | which also means that when adding a new notice you will only have to change the yml file in the future | |
| 15:09 | Joubu | we will need help from BibLibre for sure, and French users (at least) |
| 15:09 | cait1 | instead of changing all the installer file |
| 15:09 | s | |
| 15:09 | Joubu | maybe also ping other UNIMARC users |
| 15:09 | ashimema | we need a hackfest |
| 15:09 | best time to get biblibre onboard ;) | |
| 15:09 | cait1 | toot rue |
| 15:10 | Joubu | fridolin: ^ |
| 15:10 | keep that in mind, I will catch you soon ;) | |
| 15:10 | * fridolin | i'm cool nothing realy different |
| 15:10 | Joubu | fr-FR is a mess :D |
| 15:10 | fridolin | ah ouch yep |
| 15:11 | i'll see with nlegrand | |
| 15:11 | ashimema | fridolin++ |
| 15:11 | Joubu | moving on? |
| 15:11 | cait1 | yes |
| 15:11 | Joubu | * bug 25078 - I still wish to see more discussion on that one. Does everybody agree with the last comments between jajm and me? |
| 15:11 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Update DB process - wrap each DBRev inside a transaction and better error handling |
| 15:11 | fridolin | ahhh installer ok |
| 15:12 | Joubu | then I have update for the roadmap, in a couple of minutes |
| 15:12 | ashimema | I agree |
| 15:12 | Joubu | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 15:12 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:12 | ashimema | keep this patch small and simple (just transactions and reporting back more nicely) |
| 15:13 | and move the idea's about splitting it up into files and handling versioning differently into the other bug | |
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| 15:13 | tuxayo | RMaint: nothing in particular to say |
| 15:13 | Joubu | ashimema: I will try to split them on that one, to avoid having to deal with the each dbrev twice |
| 15:14 | ashimema | brill :) |
| 15:14 | I'd love ot see the AV translations stuff move forward too.. but not sure how to unstick it. | |
| 15:14 | Joubu | RMaints, use the move atomic update from bug 27903, it's awesome and easy to use ) |
| 15:14 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27903 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , Script to move atomic updates to updatedatabase.pl |
| 15:14 | ashimema | sorry.. RMaint updates |
| 15:14 | RMaints? | |
| 15:14 | wahanui | RMaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo |
| 15:15 | AndrewFH | Nothing of import from me, thanks :) |
| 15:15 | Joubu | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 15:15 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:15 | ashimema | #info More QA needed... always more QA needed :P |
| 15:16 | cait? | |
| 15:16 | wahanui | cait is really good at running into things |
| 15:16 | Joubu | spread the load! |
| 15:16 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | > running into things |
| 15:16 | Me too T_T | |
| 15:17 | Joubu | ok |
| 15:17 | #info Status of roadmap projects | |
| 15:17 | #link https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap | |
| 15:17 | same, '!' to stop me | |
| 15:17 | cait1 | spread the load - and please QA :) |
| 15:17 | and don't break stuff! | |
| 15:18 | sorry to be late | |
| 15:18 | Joubu | bug 15278 |
| 15:18 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15278 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Port default slips and notices from bespoke syntax to Template Toolkit |
| 15:18 | Joubu | Started too late and won't be part of 21.05. |
| 15:18 | postponed to 21.11 | |
| 15:18 | cait1 | will you mark it accordingly? |
| 15:18 | Joubu | bug 24975 |
| 15:18 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Refactor database translations |
| 15:18 | Joubu | No real focus on it, won't certainly be ready for 21.05 |
| 15:18 | yes cait1 | |
| 15:18 | ashimema: ? | |
| 15:19 | we discussed it (jajm, ashimema and me) | |
| 15:19 | it took too long to start and I'm afraid we won't have time to finish (even start..) for 21.05 | |
| 15:19 | we are still disagreeing on how we should implemen tit | |
| 15:19 | cait1 | sad, but i can see that |
| 15:19 | can we give it a prio boost for 21.11? | |
| 15:20 | Joubu | can try |
| 15:20 | ashimema | sorry.. had to talk in my other meeting |
| 15:20 | reading ujp | |
| 15:20 | Joubu | * Transfer improvement |
| 15:21 | bug 22569 has been pushed, the next on the list are bug 27281 and bug 27896 | |
| 15:21 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22569 new feature, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Passed QA , Add a 'Transfers to send' report |
| 15:21 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27281 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Replace call to `C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer` with `Koha::Item::Transfer->cancel({ comment => $comment })` in `C4::Circulation::LostItem` | |
| 15:21 | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27896 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Remove C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer | |
| 15:21 | Joubu | it is moving fast |
| 15:21 | ashimema | I am working slowly through bits of notices stuff.. but they're not directly related.. more things that i felt need fixing first. |
| 15:21 | Joubu | ha 22569 is not pushed actually |
| 15:22 | ashimema | yeah.. 33569 is PQA but not pushed yet ;) |
| 15:22 | Joubu | will be soon |
| 15:22 | cait1 | I hope to spend more time with tarnsfers |
| 15:22 | I tried to also work on the checkin checks for branch transfers... but got lost | |
| 15:22 | ashimema | the other two are the next two.. I don't want to end up with such a big tree of outstanding for phase 2 |
| 15:22 | cait1 | commented and waiting for feedback |
| 15:22 | ashimema | so I'll code and submit.. then wait for SO/QA rather than continuing with the next bugs. |
| 15:23 | where did you comment cait1.. was it aimed at me.. I tihnk I must have missed it | |
| 15:23 | cait1 | ashimema: not on yours, arthur's |
| 15:23 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:23 | Joubu | * Performance investigation (compare 20.11 and 17.11) |
| 15:24 | The main work here is bug 27344, which needs more attention as it's an important bit. It would be nice to have another dev involved to get additional points of view. | |
| 15:24 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , Implement Elastic's update_index_background using Koha::BackgroundJob |
| 15:24 | Joubu | * Git repository shrinking |
| 15:24 | I've started it, but I am stuck. I will send Martin an email soon to discuss it. | |
| 15:24 | ashimema | Agreed, would be good to get more eyes on performance |
| 15:24 | Joubu | Git gurus are welcome to join the party! |
| 15:24 | ashimema | I have been meaning to help work on some task queue patches to help that move.. jsut haven't found a moment. |
| 15:24 | happy to help where I can Joubu | |
| 15:25 | more git guru's would be great | |
| 15:25 | Joubu | and *when* |
| 15:25 | * Release tools improvement | |
| 15:25 | Still planned for a bit later in the cycle | |
| 15:25 | * Improve our "news" module | |
| 15:25 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:25 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 15:25 | Joubu | Signoff is needed here, please? bug 22544 |
| 15:25 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move C4:NewsChannels to Koha namespace |
| 15:25 | Joubu | This is only the first step and there are interesting changes to implement here, but we need this first step in! |
| 15:26 | ashimema | I'll grab it for SO or QA.. anyone here want to volunteer for the one I don't do? |
| 15:26 | Joubu | Josef disappeared so it's ashimema and cait1 |
| 15:26 | cait1 | ok |
| 15:26 | sounds doable,b ut not quite sure when, I will try | |
| 15:26 | ashimema | will look at it this week.. maybe even after this meeting |
| 15:26 | cait1 | not unhappy if someone beeats me to it |
| 15:27 | Joubu | * Fix OPACHiddenItems - Bug 24403 |
| 15:27 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24403 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] OpacHiddenItems should hide items everywhere in the OPAC |
| 15:27 | Joubu | It has moved quickly then is a bit stuck right now. There is no trivial changes to implement, like adding the "hidden at the OPAC" info to the search engine index. |
| 15:27 | tcohen: something to add? | |
| 15:28 | * Handling of errors 500 (it's actually "better handling of error pages") | |
| 15:28 | ashimema | I'd like to join a task force on that one.. but perhaps it's one to get back to for 21.11 ? |
| 15:28 | hidden that is.. | |
| 15:28 | cait1 | there are some spots independent of zebra/elastic that we could still fix i think, but there are API questions as well |
| 15:28 | thinking of the top issues that are built from an sql query for an example | |
| 15:30 | also talking about hidden items actually :) | |
| 15:30 | Joubu | top issues look like a tricky one |
| 15:31 | we need a plan for this one in order to know where we are going and what's left (asking that for a couple of months) | |
| 15:31 | ok so | |
| 15:31 | * Handling of errors 500 (it's actually "better handling of error pages") | |
| 15:31 | There are 3 bugs that are waiting for patches. David abandonned the ship and let me alone on this one. | |
| 15:31 | I will try to find some time and submit patches. Will be good to have a tester and/or QA along with me (at least for motivation) | |
| 15:31 | * Developer handbook and documentation | |
| 15:31 | Abandonned for 21.05. There is no real desire (or at least to make some time) to work on it | |
| 15:32 | cait1 | I think last discussine nded with the idea of maybe restarting the wiki |
| 15:32 | Joubu | (that's not nice but that's true heh) |
| 15:32 | cait1 | i think the clena up woul be a lot easier if we had the categories and such better working again |
| 15:32 | the old mediawiki is no fun and makes it probably harder for us than it needs to be | |
| 15:32 | ashimema | agreed |
| 15:33 | cait1 | we coudl mark pages oudated, needing work etc and bult up some process there |
| 15:33 | ashimema | I don't really have the brain space for it right now.. fighting with the wiki just adds to that |
| 15:33 | Joubu | yes but saying we should start a bigger work to start documenting things does not feel right |
| 15:33 | cait1 | that would help people navigate as well |
| 15:33 | ashimema | I was however tempted to add a couple of micro documentation sites.. one for a more public api documentation |
| 15:33 | and one for more clear notes on developing plugins | |
| 15:34 | cait1 | i was considering starting a a manuelly created list of pages |
| 15:34 | ashimema | I think those are more manageable as self contained things |
| 15:34 | cait1 | but thought i might be a little insane... and we really hsoud use tags/categories probably |
| 15:34 | ashimema | and would market Koha well from a 'Koha is still relevant and modern' perspective |
| 15:34 | cait1 | where would you put it? |
| 15:34 | i think we actually have good stuff hidden in the wiki, but it's very often not found | |
| 15:34 | hidden in the pile | |
| 15:35 | so we could think about having a nicer entry page maybe for a start that lists the often needed things in a nice way... | |
| 15:35 | ashimema | I was thinking of using the gitlab pages stuff.. |
| 15:35 | cait1 | not a total solution, but it might be helpful on the front page |
| 15:35 | ashimema | and then asking for api.koha-community.org |
| 15:35 | Joubu | so, plan for 21.11 would be 1. archive the wiki, 2. start from scratch with a better one, 3. Retrieve what is still valid/useful |
| 15:35 | cait1 | that coudl be |
| 15:35 | yep | |
| 15:35 | ashimema | and possible dev.koha-community.org |
| 15:35 | cait1 | and maybe I will somehow find time to do some sorting and marking before |
| 15:36 | makes sense | |
| 15:36 | ashimema | +1 for archive the existing wiki and stat fresh migrating only what we actually think is really useful |
| 15:36 | * ashimema | even wonders if mediawiki is just too big and complex for our uses |
| 15:37 | thd | If I could not have time for the greater goal I would work on updating the archive of the wiki. |
| 15:37 | cait1 | we used to have a dokuwiki, but both require a special syntax |
| 15:37 | tuxayo | Do other wikis have categories? |
| 15:37 | cait1 | i think something with a more easy flow of things when entering would be more inviting |
| 15:37 | thd | Things need tags for findability. |
| 15:38 | The biggest problem with Dokuwiki was that there was no means to find untagged pages. | |
| 15:38 | cait1 | wysiwyg coudl lower the barrier some... abut also need good versioning |
| 15:39 | Joubu | anyone willing to investigate the different alternatives we have (with a cons/pros list)? |
| 15:39 | cait1 | I don't kow the market really... we use something proprietory at work, so experience is limtied |
| 15:39 | ashimema | modern mediawiki is much easier wysiwyg wise |
| 15:40 | cait1 | but we came from dokuwik and the easier handling for editing tables and the like made all the difference to get more people involved |
| 15:40 | tuxayo | Need to install an additional service on the sever IIUC for the wysiwyg editor |
| 15:40 | cait1 | something for a separate meeting maybe |
| 15:40 | Joubu | yes! |
| 15:40 | moving on | |
| 15:40 | cait1 | yep sorry :) |
| 15:40 | Joubu | #topic Automated updates for translated manuals |
| 15:40 | Topic for #koha is now Automated updates for translated manuals (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:40 | Joubu | ashimema: ? |
| 15:40 | any updates on that? | |
| 15:41 | ashimema | Well.. we got the space on the server expanded so that builds started working again |
| 15:41 | tuxayo | wizzyrea++ |
| 15:41 | ashimema | and the tool now triggers proper gitlab merge requests |
| 15:41 | and... | |
| 15:42 | as of a couple of days ago I added a cronjob to trigger that tool to run once a month a few days after release | |
| 15:42 | cait1 | oooooh nice |
| 15:42 | ashimema++ | |
| 15:42 | ashimema | so we should get translation merge requests a few days after koha release.. so at least it'll get updated monthly |
| 15:42 | as for automating it more.. I think perhaps lets wait and see how much things change each month for a little while | |
| 15:42 | tuxayo | ashimema++ |
| 15:43 | ashimema | we will however end up with the same mess the koha repo has.. translations mixed in add to the git girth. |
| 15:43 | cait1 | I am currently translating the 20.11 german manual, so there shoudl be something next itme |
| 15:43 | ashimema | be nice to have translations in their own repo in the future |
| 15:43 | Joubu | great, I let you adjust the roadmap for this topic |
| 15:43 | ashimema | will do |
| 15:43 | Joubu | ashimema: that's the plan with "git splitting" |
| 15:43 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:43 | Joubu | * Koha Cookbook Project |
| 15:44 | Meeting planned next Friday (12th)! See the Koha agenda for the time. | |
| 15:44 | ashimema | be great to do the same for the manual repo once we have our heads wrapped around it :) |
| 15:44 | Joubu | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 15:44 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:44 | Joubu | #info amoyano advertise Bug 15522 and ask the list for feedback [after 20.11 is released], setup a sandbox, etc. |
| 15:44 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=15522 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Patch doesn't apply , New interface for revamped circulation rules |
| 15:45 | Joubu | tcohen: I stop postponing this one, I let you readd it if needed |
| 15:45 | #info General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 15:45 | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) | |
| 15:45 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:45 | Joubu | #topic Systemd, Containerisation, Packaging, Other... we need a long term goal and roadmap for these things. - Bug 25674 |
| 15:45 | Topic for #koha is now Systemd, Containerisation, Packaging, Other... we need a long term goal and roadmap for these things. - Bug 25674 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:45 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add RabbitMQ options to koha-create |
| 15:46 | Joubu | ashimema: there are 3 topics coming from you |
| 15:46 | #info we need a long term goal and roadmap | |
| 15:46 | (lol) | |
| 15:46 | ashimema | indeed there are |
| 15:47 | Joubu | sorry, a bit sarcastic here, but we know that :) |
| 15:47 | ashimema | hehe |
| 15:47 | indeed | |
| 15:47 | basically.. on the rebbitmq stuff we seem to be working in various opposing directions and I got lost | |
| 15:48 | do we need a systemd file or not.. how do we get things to startup as expected in the various installs | |
| 15:48 | should rabbitmq be a require in the packages or an optional... | |
| 15:48 | should the workers be part of core.. or in their own container, own package so you can install them on other machines and scale horizontally. | |
| 15:48 | right now.. it's a mess and needs some clarity | |
| 15:49 | Joubu | we discussed some of that already |
| 15:49 | ashimema | that's what this question was asking |
| 15:49 | Joubu | rabbitmq is suggested, we created additional packages to fit the different needs |
| 15:49 | ashimema | did we answer some of them and document it. |
| 15:49 | Joubu | ok |
| 15:49 | how/where do we start the discussion? | |
| 15:50 | ashimema | :( |
| 15:50 | cait1 | i think we did discuss, it might be a case of lack of documenting |
| 15:50 | i remember about koha-core etc | |
| 15:51 | Joubu | if we don't get more people involved more closely and regularly in the documentation and development process it will be hard to discuss such discussions anyway |
| 15:51 | ashimema | perhaps the whole "lets make a koha-core" etc stuff should be one of the next cycles goals |
| 15:51 | and we should form a small working group to work out what we want, document it.. and then work towards it | |
| 15:51 | Joubu | it's done |
| 15:51 | we have the different packages, and it will be documented in the 21.05 release notes | |
| 15:51 | ashimema | ok |
| 15:51 | Joubu | as "big tech changes in 21.05" |
| 15:51 | cait1 | can we also update the pacakge information in the wiki please? |
| 15:52 | ashimema | ok.. so which package does the worker sit in? |
| 15:52 | Joubu | koha-full |
| 15:52 | * fridolin | like service koha-worker@ |
| 15:53 | fridolin | i'm on building sercives koha-plackopac and @staff |
| 15:53 | Joubu | which wiki page cait? "install on debian"? |
| 15:53 | ashimema | I think maybe I just need someone to walk me through the plan at the next hackfest.. I'm sure it would sink into my brain better with a pint in hand |
| 15:53 | cait1 | there is one describing the different stable unstabel etc |
| 15:53 | maybe link from that | |
| 15:53 | i will look | |
| 15:53 | also... we are building our own packages - does the proecess change in that case? i guess so | |
| 15:54 | Joubu | I don't find it |
| 15:54 | cait1 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_Debian_Packages |
| 15:54 | ashimema | sounds like it's more under control than I thought thought.. so yeah.. happy to concede and someone can explain how it's all meant to fit together to me at some point.. haha |
| 15:54 | cait1 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way |
| 15:55 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]my_Koha_installed (how to figure out which package?) | |
| 15:55 | Joubu | it's not listing the different packages the community provide |
| 15:55 | cait1 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]bian_Dependencies |
| 15:56 | thee is tons on packages... that's one of our problems :) too scattered | |
| 15:56 | ashimema | this just highlights the need to tidy up the wiki again |
| 15:56 | cait1 | yep |
| 15:56 | exactly | |
| 15:56 | i can group stuff, but i can#t really merge it myself... so I got stuck there | |
| 15:57 | Joubu | we need another page to list the different packages :D |
| 15:58 | #action mtj write something about the new packages for the 21.05 release notes | |
| 15:58 | cait1 | lol |
| 15:58 | Joubu | has to move on |
| 15:58 | cait1 | but if that works i am happy ;) |
| 15:58 | Joubu | #topic Should we add a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' - Bug 27695 |
| 15:58 | Topic for #koha is now Should we add a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' - Bug 27695 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:58 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27695 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Fix style of messages on Elasticsearch configuration page |
| 15:58 | Joubu | yes we should |
| 15:59 | #action ashimema Write a coding guideline to clarify our message types: 'alert' vs 'error' (context of bug 27695) | |
| 15:59 | ashimema | So.. it was highligted to me recently that we have somewhat of a pattern for passing back 'messages' form methods. |
| 15:59 | but we don't have a guidelines for the 'types' | |
| 15:59 | Joubu | #topic We should reverse our 'title' elements - Bug 26703 |
| 15:59 | Topic for #koha is now We should reverse our 'title' elements - Bug 26703 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 15:59 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Needs Signoff , We should reconsider best practice for our title elements |
| 15:59 | ashimema | we should :) |
| 15:59 | brill | |
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| 15:59 | Joubu | this is high priority (marking as such) |
| 16:00 | we need to help that bug | |
| 16:00 | ashimema | ok.. same again really... we need a guidelines so that we don't introduce new breakages once wainuiwitikpark has fixed all the current cases |
| 16:00 | yeah | |
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| 16:00 | ashimema | I've been helping a little in terms of guiding them.. but trying not to take over too much |
| 16:00 | Joubu | there was another on |
| 16:00 | cannot remember | |
| 16:00 | ashimema | brill.. looks ready for testing now :) |
| 16:01 | Joubu | will see after the meeting |
| 16:01 | ashimema | hehe |
| 16:01 | Joubu | #action Joubu we need to push 26703 asap |
| 16:01 | ashimema | OK.. I'll draft up guidelines for both of those to vote in next meeting :) |
| 16:02 | Joubu | #action ashimema Write a guideline for 26703 |
| 16:02 | ashimema | I don't think either is contentious :) |
| 16:02 | Joubu | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 16:02 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 16:02 | Joubu | #topic On last meeting (24 feb) it was voted "using OPAC instead of Opac or opac", but it was forgotten to find someone to phrase it and add it to the guidelines. |
| 16:02 | Topic for #koha is now On last meeting (24 feb) it was voted "using OPAC instead of Opac or opac", but it was forgotten to find someone to phrase it and add it to the guidelines. (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 16:03 | Joubu | #action ashimema write a guideline about using "OPAC instead of Opac or opac" |
| 16:03 | tuxayo | Wait, it's already in terminology |
| 16:03 | davidnind++ | |
| 16:03 | Moving on! | |
| 16:03 | Joubu | indeed! |
| 16:03 | #info "OPAC instead of Opac or opac" is on the Terminology wiki page | |
| 16:04 | ashimema | :) |
| 16:04 | Joubu | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 16:04 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 10 March 2021) | |
| 16:04 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 24 March 2021 20 UTC |
| 16:04 | #info Next meeting: 24 March 2021, 20 UTC | |
| 16:04 | we are going to hit DST soon | |
| 16:05 | will adjust later if needed | |
| 16:05 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:05 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 16:05 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Mar 10 16:05:08 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:05 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-03-10-14.59.html | |
| 16:05 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-03-10-14.59.txt | |
| 16:05 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]10-14.59.log.html | |
| 16:05 | ashimema | :) |
| 16:05 | thanks peeps | |
| 16:05 | tuxayo | thanks Joubu and all |
| 16:06 | bbl | |
| 16:06 | cait1 | Joubu++ |
| 16:08 | caroline_catlady | Do we have a separate meeting for the wiki question? |
| 16:08 | Joubu | it must start on the ML I'd say |
| 16:08 | cait1 | good point |
| 16:09 | ashimema | the main thing we need is for it to not get stuck again |
| 16:10 | caroline_catlady | I'd colunteer to send the email, but I missed the bulk of the conversation |
| 16:10 | Joubu | bug 27610 |
| 16:10 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Needs Signoff , Accessibility: OPAC - <h1> on each page is Logo but should be page description/title |
| 16:10 | Joubu | bug 27742 |
| 16:10 | caroline_catlady | what are the main points? mediawiki is too complicated, dokuwiki is too simple |
| 16:10 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27742 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wainuiwitikapark, Signed Off , Accessibility: OPAC - Page titles should have unique information first |
| 16:10 | Joubu | they were the ones I was looking for |
| 16:10 | caroline_catlady | and 2) is it better to start over fresh? |
| 16:11 | thd | Testing proposals without shutting down the old service would have avoided our subsequent problems long ago. |
| 16:11 | cait1 | i don't think we are shutting anythign down until a replacement/plan is in place |
| 16:12 | but we have a need to fix this | |
| 16:12 | caroline_catlady | I'll send a starter email and y'all can respond if I'm missing anything. Does that sound good? |
| 16:12 | cait1 | yep thanks caroline_catlady |
| 16:12 | i think maybe we shoud lask für suggestions on what is easy to use could be an alternative? but not sure | |
| 16:12 | it might bring out some good ideas | |
| 16:14 | thd | The shutdown previously was a consequence of LibLime being lost to the community in difficult circumstances. |
| 16:14 | Joubu | that was 13y ago |
| 16:14 | cait1 | yes, but we moved over things then too, but software has evolved |
| 16:15 | it#s a good time to look at things that might be more attractive to users | |
| 16:17 | thd | The problem long ago was moving things over without first testing the implementation. |
| 16:19 | cait1 | i think it served us for a long time, but got too difficult now, people are expecting different things - not using wiki syntax if possible, easier ways to tag etc. |
| 16:19 | and we have an issue with lots of outdated content | |
| 16:22 | thd | Outdated content will always be a problem. It should be marked as such and archived but not deleted. |
| 16:24 | cait1 | at the moment you can't find the good content, because we keep all and everything, there need to be better ways |
| 16:24 | but that's for the meeting, i actually need to move on to something else ow | |
| 16:25 | thd | I was very close to completing the migration script at the beginniing of last year and then COVID-19 really upended the economy and my life. |
| 16:31 | basti_ | So, I was assigned to register about 1500 books for a small library. Currently, we can search some public server for the ISBN, import its data, then create a MARC record, then create book records for these. All of this involves a lot of typing and getting things in the correct order. I thought about using the REST API for achieving all of this, merely on entering an ISBN and some additional data. |
| 16:32 | I'm pretty sure that somebody already did something similar, any hints are welcome. | |
| 16:41 | cait1 | there is no batch thing in Koha for this |
| 16:41 | but there is a description i thin on how to do some more batch like cataloguing with marcedit i think | |
| 16:42 | the problem can be, that an isbn can not be enough to identify things | |
| 16:42 | you need to see if the record is for the print or electronic version | |
| 16:42 | which edition etc. they can be different | |
| 16:43 | * basti_ | looks up marcedit |
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| 16:48 | caroline_catlady | wiki email is off... probably not perfect, but feel free to add to the conversation |
| 16:54 | ashimema | is bug 22544 on a branch somewhere Joubu? |
| 16:54 | huginn | Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=22544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Move C4:NewsChannels to Koha namespace |
| 16:54 | ashimema | seems to need a rebase :( |
| 16:54 | sorry | |
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| 17:48 | reiveune | bye |
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| 20:43 | KSorbo | Is it possible to schedule a report to repeat on an ongoing basis? E.g. weekly or monthly? |
| 20:43 | I realize that you could do this via a cron on the server side. I am wondering if this is possible via the Admin interface4 | |
| 20:44 | caroline_catlady | KSorbo: not from the staff interface, only from the crons |
| 20:44 | KSorbo | Thanks, caroline. I am kind of surprised this is not possible, given the powerful report system available |
| 20:45 | caroline_catlady | I'm not sure why... there's a scheduler but it only works once |
| 20:45 | I heard it was a security issue, but I'm nbot sure | |
| 20:46 | KSorbo | Thanks for your input! |
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| 22:52 | gmcharlt | Joubu: done |
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| 23:41 | CrispyBran | is wiki.koha-community.org down? |
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