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| 04:06 | aleisha | did my best to capture everything the academy students did today: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]yst_Academy#Day_1 looking forward to some signoffs! |
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| 06:51 | fridolin | hi the world |
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| 07:09 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:28 | severine_q | good morning #koha :) |
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| 07:55 | jsicot | Hello |
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| 08:04 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 08:15 | jsicot | I have just noticed that the CloneBudgetPeriod function (C4::Budgets) only retrieves the owner of the budgets (aqbudgets.owner) but not the users who were attached to the reference budgets (aqbudgetborrowers). |
| 08:15 | In your opinion, is this a choice or or could it be an idea for an enhancement request ? I haven't seen any bugs about this reported in bugzilla. | |
| 08:16 | Joubu | I would not modify C4 but use (or enhance) Koha::Acq::Funds instead |
| 08:17 | why do you need the users? | |
| 08:18 | jsicot | we need to declare users to receive orders for a specific budget |
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| 08:25 | jsicot | also, we have sometimes several acquisition librarians per budget |
| 08:25 | every fiscal year, we need to redeclare them on every budgets | |
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| 08:30 | Joubu | jsicot: so you want to write some code for something specific (not Koha core)? |
| 08:33 | jsicot | Joubu nope, my request is about koha core :) and the aqbudgetperiods duplicate function in acquisitions module > Budgets administration |
| 08:39 | Joubu | ok sorry, I was missing tea |
| 08:39 | jsicot | no worries ^^ |
| 08:41 | Joubu | so yes, CloneBudgetPeriod is the right place. And the enhancement makes sense. Maybe we need a checkbox in the "duplicate budget" view to enable/disable the copy of users? |
| 08:42 | jsicot | yes, it should be optional like the owner maybe |
| 08:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #26: UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.11_U2010/26/ |
| 08:48 | magnuse | i added a small section on upgrading koha here: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]on_Debian#Upgrade please feel free to improve on it :-) |
| 08:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #23: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_U18/23/ |
| 08:55 | jsicot | Joubu I can submit an enhancement request on bugzilla, if this is the good way to do |
| 08:58 | Joubu | yes sure! |
| 08:58 | jsicot | Joubu ok, i will do that ! |
| 08:59 | Joubu | aleisha: you should tell the students to run the QA script. Some of the patches don't have the commit message correctly written (starting with "Bug 12345: ") |
| 08:59 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, CLOSED INVALID, Can't Clear Reading History for Anonymous patron |
| 09:01 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #26: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_U20/26/ |
| 09:03 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 09:03 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 09:03 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #42: FIXED in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D10/42/ |
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| 09:29 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #35: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_D9/35/ |
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| 09:58 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 09:58 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 09:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #41: FIXED in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D11/41/ |
| 10:02 | cait1 | Can we get some SO for the Academy patches Joubu hasn't failed yet? ;) |
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| 10:14 | davidnind | about to start.... |
| 10:14 | ashimema | I'm snowed under today I'm afraid.. |
| 10:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #36: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_D9/36/ |
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| 11:03 | cait1 | davidnind++ :) |
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| 11:07 | oleonard | o/ |
| 11:13 | cait1 | hi oleonard :) |
| 11:14 | oleonard | Exciting to see the patches coming in from the Academy |
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| 12:00 | Joubu | oleonard: Hi! I had a question for you |
| 12:01 | let me remember it :D | |
| 12:01 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]1-01-18#i_2324056 | |
| 12:01 | "DT plugins should be in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/datatables or koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/jquery/plugins?" | |
| 12:03 | oleonard | I think the idea was that lib/datatables was for "official" datatables files, which may or may not encompass the DT plugins we use |
| 12:03 | I don't know that the distinction is that important | |
| 12:04 | But I find it nice to be able to look at lib/datatables and know that everything there came from the DataTables site | |
| 12:05 | Joubu | yes, me too |
| 12:07 | I think I will put the new plugin where others are already. And then open a separate bug report to move them all and start the discussion there. | |
| 12:07 | thanks oleonard for your answer | |
| 12:10 | oleonard | I can often explain my decisions, even if I can't justify them :D |
| 12:12 | Joubu | haha, same here! |
| 12:13 | and I've just realised I don't need to add the plugin, it's included in the main datables.mi | |
| 12:13 | min.js | |
| 12:13 | oleonard | The fixed header one? |
| 12:13 | Joubu | yes |
| 12:23 | oleonard | Joubu it should be enough to tell Academy folks to run simply "qa," correct? The other parameters are now default? |
| 12:23 | ashimema | yup |
| 12:24 | I personally tend to add -vv as I like the full pretty output | |
| 12:24 | but it's not a requirement | |
| 12:25 | oleonard | @later tell aleisha I updated the Academy wiki page to include running the qa test tools: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ing_it_to_the_bug |
| 12:25 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:26 | ashimema | oleonard++ |
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| 13:39 | ashimema | oleonard still around? |
| 13:40 | oleonard | Yes |
| 13:40 | ashimema | just thought I'd take a look at a couple of Academy bugs over lunch |
| 13:40 | any thoughts on the use of the 'autofocus' attribute vs JavaScript method for first focus? | |
| 13:41 | there's a fair few focus bugs and all of them are using the existing pattern of using javascript.. just wondered if we aught to stick with that or aught to be migrating to using the attributes | |
| 13:41 | oleonard | Only that our use of the "focus" class as a hook for some jQuery code was a choice made before wide support for the autofocus attribute. |
| 13:42 | ashimema | oh, now that's interesting.. |
| 13:42 | do we still support a 'focus' class then? | |
| 13:43 | so rather than introducing `$("selector").focus()` all over the place should we just be adding a `focus` class to the right element? | |
| 13:43 | oleonard | I would say yes, especially for these Academy patches. But I think it's a good issue to raise, perhaps in another bug |
| 13:43 | Oh are the patches doing $("selector").focus() ? I haven't looked at them. | |
| 13:43 | ashimema | the one's I've looked at so far are |
| 13:44 | none add a class | |
| 13:44 | they all target the element directly in jS | |
| 13:44 | * ashimema | doesn't want to be mean.. just wondered |
| 13:44 | oleonard | Yeah the class is available specifically for that, so the patches are wrong |
| 13:44 | :( | |
| 13:45 | ashimema | do we document this stuff anywhere? |
| 13:48 | I can totally understand the academy students not having a clue the focus class exists. | |
| 13:49 | humm.. interesting, I now see a few accessibility guides that frown upon using focus this way.. | |
| 13:50 | they suggest you should only ever autofocus the 'skip to content' link (which of course the staff client doesn't have yet anyway) | |
| 13:50 | otherwise screen readers will skip to the focus point leaving the user without context | |
| 13:50 | humm | |
| 13:52 | oleonard | There were other autofocus bugs with patches referenced so it was hoped they'd see the previous solution |
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| 13:53 | ashimema | mmm, I don't think they're really referencing linked bugs the way I thought they would |
| 13:53 | I've had the same with the ACC2 bugs.. I have a collector bug that explains it.. and lots of linked ones for each case.. | |
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| 13:54 | ashimema | rather than spotting the collector.. they've asked what ACC2 means in each of the linked ones |
| 13:54 | oh well | |
| 13:54 | oleonard | I think we can make a pretty good argument for using autofocus despite the recommendation |
| 13:54 | ashimema | agreed |
| 13:54 | oleonard | Someone has clicked a link or button to take them to a specific task, they shouldn't have to wade through the whole nav to get to the task in question |
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| 13:55 | oleonard | If you accept that logic then the question is whether the user has enough context when auto-focused. |
| 13:55 | That is, is it clear to them that they've been moved directly into the process they initiated when they navigated to the page. | |
| 13:58 | ashimema | I think you're right |
| 13:58 | oleonard | Although that may not help you when your client is going through checklists they found on the internet |
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| 15:04 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 27413: Restore debarred and debarredcomment to batch patron mod tools <https://git.koha-community.org[…]61df7c4c7fd5b726b> |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27047: Fix suggestions filtering at the OPAC <https://git.koha-community.org[…]fbfd9d30c7674a33a> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27420: Use object accessor for $attr_type->class() <https://git.koha-community.org[…]1a751603f01387095> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 17429: document the --plack/--noplack options of koha-list <https://git.koha-community.org[…]f8340227063ae2973> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27180: (follow-up) Remove unused %is_holiday <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d1e603ba29411a0b9> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27299: Remove tokenization for phrase register/index with ICU <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7e32f24e595d596e2> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27297: Add required and blank options to av-build-dropbox.inc <https://git.koha-community.org[…]96d14106b460774aa> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 27180: Update fines on holidays <https://git.koha-community.org[…]625d879f649edf52a> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 17229: Move tests to t/db_dependant/ILSDI_Service.t <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d3ffaf534e83c0db0> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 20971: Prevent Storable::thaw to fail on LastCreatedItem <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5734006ceba472d60> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 17229: Add unit test for BlockExpiredPatronOpacActions check <https://git.koha-community.org[…]cae20a49349fffb34> | |
| 15:04 | News from kohagit: Bug 17229: Check if patron is expired in CanItemBeReserved <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ee7c05853748a26f9> | |
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| 15:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1538: UNSTABLE in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1538/ |
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| 15:58 | liliputech_asu | hi koha, just noticed koha-testing-docker now pulls selenium/standalone-firefox :) any tests for the interface on the go? |
| 15:58 | if that is the case, it's a great news! | |
| 16:00 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #454: UNSTABLE in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/454/ |
| 16:22 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:52 | ashimema | did you forget to mark bug 27324 as signed off oleonard? |
| 16:52 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27324 minor, P5 - low, ---, mazen.i.khallaf, Needs Signoff , Use Koha.Preference() for intranetbookbag everywhere |
| 16:56 | oleonard | I added a followup... didn't I? |
| 16:57 | ashimema | ah, I misread |
| 16:57 | oh well.. I've PQA'd it as it all does what is expected :) | |
| 16:57 | oleonard | Oh I signed off my own patch too, which I don't usually do |
| 16:58 | ashimema | all good |
| 16:58 | I'm happy with it's status now :) | |
| 16:58 | I can deal with the wrath of cait or Joubu if they don't like it.. hehe | |
| 17:04 | caroline_crazycatlady | "wrath of cait" seems mythical |
| 17:04 | (i.e. doesn't exist) | |
| 17:05 | ashimema | hehe |
| 17:05 | indeed | |
| 17:05 | it wasn't much of a risk on my part :P | |
| 17:07 | oleonard | The "wrath of cait" is mythical in that it's a 12 foot beast with the head of a lion and the tail of a snake. It breathes fire. |
| 17:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D11 build #187: UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D11/187/ |
| 17:21 | ashimema | oleonard.. is it deliberate in bug 27440 that the checkbox column is larger on the search history? |
| 17:22 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Improve structure and style of result toolbars in the OPAC |
| 17:22 | ashimema | I've always found it a bit annoying that we seem to semi-often have really wide columsn that contain just a single checkbox |
| 17:22 | oleonard | I wasn't aware that it had changed. I can take a look if you'd like. |
| 17:23 | ashimema | I can't see why/how it's changed actually.. |
| 17:23 | but it's certainly different on the pre patch and post patch view I have here. | |
| 17:24 | hum.. maybe this just goes back to my patch we reverted that gave tables a fixed width globally.. | |
| 17:24 | I think it's the same issue.. the columns are dynamically sized | |
| 17:24 | so.. perhaps nothing to do with this patch.. just to do with my slightly different data sets | |
| 17:25 | oleonard | Yeah it doesn't look different to me before and after the patch |
| 17:25 | ashimema | I really like the consistency improvement btw.. looks nice |
| 17:25 | ack.. gotta go help cook tea.. will come back to signing this off later :) | |
| 17:26 | for me the checkbox column is 171 pixels wide.. with a left aligned 13 pixel checkbox.. that just looks a bit silly to me | |
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| 17:29 | caroline_crazycatlady | for those who work in libraries... what is the workflow when a user loses an item that has a hold on it? |
| 17:30 | I just tried it in 20.05.05, and there is no pop up or anything alerting the staff that there is a hold on this item | |
| 17:33 | cait | oh no |
| 17:33 | what did I miss? | |
| 17:34 | AndrewFH | @caroline_crazycatlady I don't believe there is any sort of automated notice that there's a hold on an item as it gets marked lost. I suppose you could use a report to find holds for which there is no longer a valid not-lost item with which to fill the hold |
| 17:34 | huginn | AndrewFH: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:35 | cait | could the mark lot from hold list feature be used here? |
| 17:37 | AndrewFH | hmm, you mean the Holds to Pull list? I'm not sure how that would fold in here |
| 17:38 | caroline_crazycatlady | AndrewFH: no, not from the holds to pull list, I think there is a mechanism for that |
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| 17:39 | AndrewFH | You mean, like, an item is currently checked out with a hold, that hold would trigger if the item were checked in, but instead the patron who has the item tells you it is lost, correct? |
| 17:39 | caroline_crazycatlady | from the borrower's file, click on the barcode, change status to lost, if MarkLostItemsAsReturned is enabled, the item will be returned, but nothing alerts the staff |
| 17:39 | cait | hm but doesn't it turn up on holds to pull then? |
| 17:39 | caroline_crazycatlady | AndrewFH: yes, I think we mean the same thing |
| 17:39 | cait | not a direct workflows... but indirectly |
| 17:39 | caroline_crazycatlady | cait: no because it's lost |
| 17:40 | lost items don't appear on the holds to pull | |
| 17:40 | afaik | |
| 17:40 | AndrewFH | yup, my understanding matches caroline's |
| 17:40 | cait | ah right |
| 17:40 | it's already lost... you are right | |
| 17:40 | one step too far | |
| 17:40 | AndrewFH | so i think your best option there is some sort of after-the-fact cleanup via report |
| 17:40 | cait | ashimema: what's the wrath of cait thing? |
| 17:41 | caroline_crazycatlady | ok thanks AndrewFH! |
| 17:41 | ashimema | I suppose if you had an item level hold you could trigger a notification |
| 17:41 | AndrewFH | or an enhancement to get a cool popup alerting you to holds when the last item on a bib goes lost |
| 17:41 | ashimema | but what about bib level holds.. might be challenging to identify those in this direction |
| 17:41 | caroline_crazycatlady | last item on bib or for item-level holds, the item in question |
| 17:42 | ashimema | could work |
| 17:42 | submit a bug.. :) | |
| 17:42 | caroline_crazycatlady | will do! |
| 17:42 | ashimema | hehe.. i was being cheeky cait |
| 17:42 | then code it up.. I'll hold your hand ;P | |
| 17:43 | caroline_crazycatlady | maybe I'll delegate that to someone else lol! |
| 17:43 | ashimema | though.. I have a feeling it could be a bit more involved.. how many places can you mark an item as lost from? |
| 17:43 | oleonard | So many |
| 17:43 | ashimema | loads if memory serves.. you'd need to account for each of them |
| 17:43 | caroline_crazycatlady | if you look at MarkLostItemsAsReturned , lots |
| 17:44 | ashimema | I thought my popup for multi-part items was OK until I actually submitted it and people kept saying 'And what about a checking/checkout from X' |
| 17:44 | indeed | |
| 17:44 | AndrewFH | at least a couple of the MarkLostItem options are commandline, so you wouldn't beed to worry about an alert there |
| 17:44 | ashimema | at least in this case.. hopefully you'd be able to grep for that pref and quickly find them all |
| 17:45 | or would you.. you could trigger an email notice for those cases ;) | |
| 17:45 | either way... I think you should give it a go caroline_crazycatlady :) | |
| 17:45 | I'm more than happy to guide | |
| 17:46 | caroline_crazycatlady | It's for a client, so maybe we will have to do it anyway |
| 17:46 | ashimema | money? |
| 17:47 | caroline_crazycatlady | grumpy about money you mean? among other things, but mostly just grumpy in general :( |
| 17:47 | ashimema | I meant are they likely to sponsor a fix |
| 17:48 | caroline_crazycatlady | ah, I don't know, since like I said they are grumpy about money too, we'll see |
| 17:48 | ashimema | on my annoying checkbox column sizing.. do you reckon resurrecting https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]attachment=108439 might get any traction oleonard? |
| 17:51 | henryb | What would the library do once they've been notified that the last item was lost- cancel the hold or order a new copy? |
| 17:51 | ashimema | oooh.. henryb is around :) |
| 17:51 | happy new parenting henryb :) | |
| 17:51 | henryb | I have a sleeping baby on my lap :) |
| 17:51 | ashimema | :D |
| 17:51 | caroline_crazycatlady | hi henryb! I though we chould just show the regular hold pop up with the option to cancel the hold or ignore it (in the case where we would want to order a new copy) |
| 17:52 | aw congratulations henryb! | |
| 17:53 | henryb | Thank you! |
| 18:08 | cait1 | congrats! |
| 18:08 | oh no... i missed henryb | |
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| 18:22 | henryb | Thanks cait1 |
| 18:23 | I am kind of around but using the browser version on my phone | |
| 18:23 | I should work out how to use an IRC client one of these days | |
| 18:24 | cait1 | i always fail to get it to work on my phone... so maybe we should switch notes sometimes :) |
| 18:25 | henryb: trying to send you a personal message, hope you can see | |
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| 18:55 | cait1 | is it possible that the german web installer is broken in 20.11? :( |
| 18:57 | http://paste.koha-community.org/27476 | |
| 18:58 | te paths are missing the language code | |
| 18:58 | de-DE | |
| 18:58 | but... where and how to fix that? | |
| 18:59 | I really need this to work for tomorrow :( | |
| 19:04 | ok, starting the web installer anew after a reastart all does wonders | |
| 19:04 | sorry :) | |
| 19:05 | davidnind | :) |
| 19:08 | * cait1 | waves at davidnind |
| 19:08 | cait1 | davidnind++ |
| 19:09 | davidnind | hi cait!! |
| 19:13 | everyone has been busy on academy things! | |
| 19:15 | cait1 | I have to pass tonight on academy :( but will rejoin tomorrow |
| 19:19 | davidnind | great! I think I will have a look at one more, then off to work.. |
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| 19:36 | aleisha | hi |
| 19:38 | davidnind | you were all very busy yesterday! |
| 19:38 | aleishaa++ | |
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| 19:51 | davidnind | hayley++ |
| 19:52 | oleonard-away | Hi aleisha hayley davidnind |
| 19:53 | davidnind | hi oleonard! |
| 19:53 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 19:56 | aleisha | hi davidnind and oleonard - yup the students were hustling! thanks everyone for your speedy testing |
| 19:56 | i'll make sure they're a bit more careful with their commit messages :) everyone is so eager to save kittens | |
| 19:57 | caroline_crazycatlady | saving kittens is very important after all |
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| 20:44 | cait1 | :) |
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| 22:17 | aleisha | they've found the manual bugs and are boosting through those too - feel free to tag some more for Academy!! |
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| 22:47 | cait | aleisha: will try to add some tomorrow before they start again |
| 22:56 | caroline_crazycatlady | aleisha: wow! I saw all the merge requests! Go academy! *_* |
| 23:02 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #224: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U20/224/ |
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| 23:19 | caroline_crazycatlady | Joubu or cait: is it normal that Pootle doesn't like the curly brackets for pluralization? https://snipboard.io/GJLmz8.jpg |
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| 23:24 | aleisha | thanks both! |
| 23:25 | cait: do you want them to redo them? | |
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| 23:42 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 23:42 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 23:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #58: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.05_U18/58/ |
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