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| 00:21 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U2010 build #73: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.05_U2010/73/ |
| 00:26 | dcook | happy new year doppelganger alexbuckley |
| 00:28 | Hmm I must be doing something wrong as the numbers aren't adding up on https://dashboard.koha-community.org/ | |
| 00:28 | Oh wait... I'm silly | |
| 00:28 | Nvm | |
| 00:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #209: STILL UNSTABLE in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_U20/209/ |
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| 07:43 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:59 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 07:59 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
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| 08:16 | magnuse | oops, bug 27355 caught me by surprise after upgrading to 20.05.x |
| 08:16 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27355 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing sip.enabled after upgrade to 20.05.x |
| 08:19 | cait1 | just upgraded that to minor - not sure if that is severe enough? |
| 08:19 | but sure sounds more like a bug than an enh? | |
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| 08:27 | cait1 | happy new year, paul_p |
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| 08:42 | magnuse | cait1: yeah, leaving it at enh was an oversight |
| 08:46 | cait1 | is minor ok? |
| 08:48 | magnuse | i think it means that sip2 can not be automatically restarted after the upgrade, so it stays off. that might deserve "normal"? |
| 08:48 | cait1 | yep |
| 08:48 | at least | |
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| 08:52 | Nioku | Hello ! As part of my studies, I have to realize a fictitious project and we have to propose two software solutions. Koha seems perfect for this exercise, however, one of the instructions specifies the need to consult digital documents on the online catalog. Does Koha have this feature? |
| 08:57 | cait1 | hi Nioku |
| 08:57 | can you be a bit more specific about what you mean by consult? | |
| 09:01 | Nioku | Hey ! By consult, I meant access (read) digitized articles. The project is about a school's library that would digitize various articles and they would want access to those for their students |
| 09:04 | cait1 | You can upload files in Koha and your records can display the links to them |
| 09:05 | what you can#t do is control access - say only make the links work for registered users | |
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| 09:06 | Nioku | Thank you very much ! |
| 09:09 | Joubu | Postponing yesterday's meeting |
| 09:09 | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 6 January 2021 | |
| 09:09 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 09:09:18 2021 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 09:09 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 09:09 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 January 2021) | |
| 09:09 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_6_january_2021' |
| 09:09 | Joubu | #info Meeting postponed |
| 09:09 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 09:09 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 6 January 2021) | |
| 09:09 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 21 January 2021, 14 UTC |
| 09:09 | ashimema | morning |
| 09:10 | Joubu | #endmeeting |
| 09:10 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 09:10 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 09:10:04 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 09:10 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-01-07-09.09.html | |
| 09:10 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-01-07-09.09.txt | |
| 09:10 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]07-09.09.log.html | |
| 09:10 | * cait1 | waves to all around |
| 09:11 | Joubu | I don't think the RM is the one to chair the meeting, I've started this habit when I was RM 17.11, but I was already chairing the meeting prior to that |
| 09:11 | We need one (or 2) "meeting managers" | |
| 09:12 | cait1 | hm i thought we had that for a while even |
| 09:12 | Joubu | To prepare the meetings, deal with tz, chair, ask people if they did their "actions" for the next meetings, etc. |
| 09:13 | gmcharlt: can you create the 2021 entry at meetings.k-c.org please? | |
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| 09:29 | Joubu | erk 21th is Thursday! |
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| 10:56 | Joubu | tcohen, mtj: bug 27355, any ideas on how we could fix that? |
| 10:56 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27355 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Missing sip.enabled after upgrade to 20.05.x |
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| 11:07 | Joubu | @later tell AndrewFW Added a note for you on bug 27062 comment 7 |
| 11:07 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:10 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen 27071 what's next? |
| 11:10 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:18 | tcohen | buen día |
| 11:33 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 11:37 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 11:37 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 11:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #27: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_D9/27/ |
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| 11:56 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #33: STILL UNSTABLE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D10/33/ |
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| 12:14 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "diff --git a/Koha/Object.pm b/" (39 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27212 |
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| 12:29 | cait1 | hi tcohen and all |
| 12:32 | tcohen | hi cait1 |
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| 13:03 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 13:03 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 13:03 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #34: FIXED in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D10/34/ |
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| 13:30 | fridolin | Bug 27351 same as Bug 27349 |
| 13:30 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27351 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , UsageStatsCountry system preference wrong type YesNo |
| 13:30 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27349 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Signed Off , Mana system preference wrong type YesNo | |
| 13:30 | fridolin | oleonard: thanks a lot for testing, if you want ^ |
| 13:31 | oleonard | 👍🏻 |
| 13:32 | fridolin | we have run a check in sysprefs type and value for our old Koha and we found those two bugs ;) |
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| 13:41 | oleonard | ✅ |
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| 14:28 | ashimema | caroline around yet? |
| 14:30 | caroline | yes |
| 14:30 | ashimema | I just submitted a merge request for the manual for you |
| 14:30 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]erge_requests/438 | |
| 14:30 | it's an 'interesting' one | |
| 14:30 | caroline | ah thank you! |
| 14:31 | I wanted to do it, but never got around to it | |
| 14:31 | ashimema | might be worth raising in your meeting later.. lucyvh asked for some help as she was really struggling with that file |
| 14:32 | caroline | it was in the action points from last meeting |
| 14:32 | ashimema | the magic ingredient that took me a little while to find is the introduction of an additional `.. toctree::` element at the bottom of the new 'globalpreferences.rst' file |
| 14:32 | anywho... should make things a bit easier ;) | |
| 14:33 | caroline | that is what I was struggling to do also |
| 14:33 | I was trying to make subfiles, but couldn't magane it | |
| 14:34 | do you have kids screaming at you right now? | |
| 14:35 | ashimema | yup ;) |
| 14:35 | caroline | lol! |
| 14:35 | nvm then XD | |
| 14:35 | ashimema | though it's the cat that's more distracting at this precise minute.. he's decided it's his turn for some attention |
| 14:35 | caroline | aw! |
| 14:35 | ashimema | nah, fire away |
| 14:36 | oh, found a minor bug.. will take a look at fixing that before you get to merging it | |
| 14:36 | but yeah. fire away.. how can I help | |
| 14:36 | caroline | ok it says I can't merge automatically, so I was wondering if you had time to walk me through the commands |
| 14:37 | sometimes I do it and it works, other time not, and since I have no idea what I'm doing, I don't know what makes it hapy or not | |
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| 14:37 | ashimema | I see |
| 14:38 | well.. let me quickly test this extra fix locally first ;) | |
| 14:38 | caroline | It always happens if I get more than one merge request |
| 14:38 | ashimema | ha.. I bet you just merged someone else? |
| 14:38 | caroline | My resolution is to marge them as quickly as possible, but I can't control when ppl will send requests |
| 14:38 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 27252: DBRev 20.12.00.001 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]92a4d650aaf938808> |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 27252: Add deprecation warning, cross_fields pref, and add version to ES info <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8149eed4ff1044599> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Adjust unit tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]964a08855a73ccb24> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Don't discard the passed isbn <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8705fb0fa57a051ab> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Remove useless condition <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d19a5d41bc602e704> | |
| 14:38 | News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Remove false matches on isbn <https://git.koha-community.org[…]80165f8d641713a80> | |
| 14:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 26364: Don't skip records that match the isbn we passed <https://git.koha-community.org[…]68cd3e10f20d2bc27> | |
| 14:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 26367: Prevent warn about undefined values when record level hold has an itemtype <https://git.koha-community.org[…]cbe014fb71952e6d0> | |
| 14:39 | News from kohagit: Bug 26367: Unit test <https://git.koha-community.org[…]acaaccd495007c83f> | |
| 14:40 | ashimema | hehe |
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| 14:40 | ashimema | ok.. |
| 14:40 | well.. in this case.. as I had it all already here.. | |
| 14:40 | I just 'pull --rebase' the branch and pushed it back up over my original merge request | |
| 14:40 | so the button should now work as expected | |
| 14:41 | caroline | yup it's there now |
| 14:41 | ashimema | I think gitlab is fairly cautious on showing that button |
| 14:41 | caroline | I've also had several failed pipelines emails, but I think we have some decisions to make about that right? |
| 14:42 | ashimema | basically, first merge will 'beat' all the others.. then all those others will need 're-basing' |
| 14:42 | pipeline emails wise, yeah.. | |
| 14:42 | caroline | sometimes there is a rebase button |
| 14:42 | ashimema | I think we need to beg Liz for some additional server space |
| 14:42 | caroline | sometimes not |
| 14:42 | ashimema | rebases often need a bit of manual help |
| 14:43 | it's the bread and butter for developers | |
| 14:43 | caroline | I don't get why it doesn't want to merge when the files changed aren't even the same |
| 14:44 | ashimema | it's a setting |
| 14:44 | * ashimema | sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]CBokW/message.txt > |
| 14:45 | ashimema | it's because we require branches to be rebased to always create a 'fast forward' merge |
| 14:45 | keeps the tree looking clean | |
| 14:45 | and highlights merge issues early | |
| 14:46 | Joubu | it's a feature! |
| 14:46 | :D | |
| 14:46 | ashimema | but.. means you always have to rebase... sometimes that is as simple as clicking the button (likely when files being changed don't clash).. other times it needs the manual intervention |
| 14:46 | hehe | |
| 14:46 | caroline | are fast-forward merges where it doesn't create a commit for the merge? |
| 14:46 | ashimema | correct |
| 14:46 | Joubu | the problem is that only the author can click this "rebase" button... |
| 14:46 | ashimema | aha.. |
| 14:46 | I wasn't aware that's how the rebase button worked | |
| 14:47 | caroline | me either |
| 14:47 | that's probably why I sometimes see it and sometimes not | |
| 14:47 | I see it when it's my own request | |
| 14:48 | ashimema | if that's the case.. I reckon it's OK to comment on the merge request asking them to rebase it for you.. i.e. suggesting they click the button (or do the manual command line fixing).. |
| 14:48 | I'm happy to step in and help lucyvh here when the rebase button doesn't work for her for example | |
| 14:48 | caroline | Ok I'll try it next time |
| 14:49 | ashimema | :) |
| 14:53 | caroline | Is there a url for the development version of the manual? I tried changing 20.11 in the url by master, but it doesn't work |
| 14:54 | or is that related to the space problem? | |
| 14:54 | ashimema | https://koha-community.org/manual/21.05/en/html/ |
| 14:54 | 21.05 | |
| 14:54 | but yes.. that's the space issue we have | |
| 14:55 | caroline | ok I'll add a point to the meeting so we can talk about it |
| 14:55 | ashimema | I was trying to get 20.11 and 21.05 both built from master at the moment.. as you've not branched yet |
| 14:55 | I've since disabled building 21.05.. but as there's a version there already.. it's filled the disks. | |
| 14:56 | which is why all builds are currently failing | |
| 14:56 | we can nuke the 21.05 version for now I reckon.. but it's only delaying the problem till we branch 21.05 | |
| 14:56 | branch for the manual that is.. | |
| 14:56 | of course.. koha code is already branched.. | |
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| 15:01 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021 |
| 15:01 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Jan 7 15:01:10 2021 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021) | |
| 15:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_7_january_2021' |
| 15:01 | caroline | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]nuary_2021#Agenda |
| 15:01 | #topic Introductions | |
| 15:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021) | |
| 15:01 | caroline | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
| 15:01 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Canada | |
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| 15:02 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
| 15:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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| 15:05 | caroline | #topic Review of action points |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now Review of action points (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021) | |
| 15:05 | caroline | change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword |
| 15:05 | wahanui | caroline: that doesn't look right |
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| 15:06 | caroline | I checked and right now, the search is documentation component AND manual keyword, which is not what we need |
| 15:06 | cait can you add an OR to this saved search? | |
| 15:06 | cait1 ^ | |
| 15:07 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]=run&sharer_id=13 | |
| 15:07 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 15:07 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 15:07 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #19: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.11_U2010/19/ |
| 15:08 | caroline | #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword |
| 15:08 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 15:08 | * Joubu | lurking mode |
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| 15:08 | caroline | I was supposed to document workflow for 21.05, but haven't done it yet, so I'll re-action it |
| 15:09 | #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05 | |
| 15:09 | divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI | |
| 15:09 | ashimema | humm |
| 15:09 | caroline | this was sone today by ashimema++ |
| 15:09 | ashimema | the search looks right to me.. |
| 15:09 | 'Match ANY of the following separately' | |
| 15:09 | caroline | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]2&namedcmd=Manual |
| 15:10 | lucyvh | ashimema++ |
| 15:10 | caroline | these two are not in the documentation to-do search |
| 15:10 | ashimema | humm |
| 15:10 | caroline | maybe because of the status? |
| 15:10 | ashimema | ok.. I defer to cait then.. she's better at bugzilla searches than i |
| 15:10 | could be | |
| 15:11 | caroline | add to the Rst tips and tricks page how to wirte notes |
| 15:11 | this is done | |
| 15:11 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:11 | caroline | From now on, please use the .. Note:: syntax instead of **Note** |
| 15:12 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_and_Tricks#Notes | |
| 15:12 | #info From now on, please use the .. Note:: syntax instead of **Note** | |
| 15:13 | I also started experimenting with other ones, such as .. Warning:: that could replace **Important** | |
| 15:13 | It makes it red-orange-ish instead of blue like a note | |
| 15:14 | I don't have a ready example though | |
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| 15:14 | ashimema | nice |
| 15:14 | caroline | I'll try to have one by next meeting and we can discuss if we want to adopt the .. Warning:: syntax |
| 15:15 | #action caroline to prepare examples of .. Warning:: syntax for dicussion | |
| 15:15 | lucyvh | Sounds good |
| 15:16 | caroline | #topic Project updates |
| 15:16 | Topic for #koha is now Project updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021) | |
| 15:16 | caroline | anyone has project updates? |
| 15:17 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #35: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D10/35/ |
| 15:17 | caroline | There is a space issue on the server right now |
| 15:17 | the manuals aren't being built with the new contributions, if I understand icorrectly | |
| 15:18 | ashimema: what are the options? | |
| 15:19 | ashimema | * remove the 21.05 in-development manual |
| 15:19 | * remove an older manual ? | |
| 15:20 | * request some more disk space and do a little drive to help fund Liz's server again... | |
| 15:20 | eventually we'll need more space regardless unless we start dropping older manuals | |
| 15:20 | lucyvh | There are lots of old branches in the respository - would removing them make a difference? |
| 15:20 | caroline | do you know what is the oldest manual right now? |
| 15:21 | ashimema | https://koha-community.org/doc[…]pported-versions/ |
| 15:21 | well.. we host copies all the way back to 3.0 | |
| 15:21 | which is an old PDF | |
| 15:22 | the challenge is.. recent versions are much more extensive with the inclusion of translations.. | |
| 15:22 | caroline | It's interesting for archival purposes |
| 15:22 | ashimema | I don't think we share images between translations either.. |
| 15:22 | caroline | but I don't think we should keep this many |
| 15:22 | ashimema | so it's literally a full on copy of the entire manual for each translation we have |
| 15:23 | but... weren't we contemplating having translated images too at some point.. | |
| 15:23 | caroline | yes, eventually |
| 15:24 | what would be possible consequences of dropping older versions? | |
| 15:24 | thd | Translated images are certainly better than untranslatable images :) |
| 15:24 | ashimema | each manual is currently 119MB |
| 15:24 | which isn't huge | |
| 15:25 | but when you consider we currently replicate it 12 times for each supported version | |
| 15:25 | 119 * 12 = 1428 | |
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| 15:26 | ashimema | * 3 (recently translated versions) = 4284 |
| 15:26 | yeah.. they're growing pretty quick now | |
| 15:27 | so it's not all that surprising we're running out of space more quickly these days | |
| 15:27 | I imagine we're on a tiny low space server | |
| 15:27 | caroline | I think dorpping older versions could have the good consequence of haveing only recent information in Google searches |
| 15:28 | When I search for Koha something somethinmg, the first results are often manuals from Koha 3.X | |
| 15:28 | lucyvh | We have to prioritise the recent ones |
| 15:28 | caroline | it would break links in blog posts |
| 15:28 | ashimema | ok.. Liz is in another meeting |
| 15:28 | thd | Better to add a label to the older directing people to the current version. |
| 15:29 | ashimema | but she tells me it's a linode server and is relatively easy to add disk space to.. |
| 15:29 | but obviously any increment in disk space is also a price increase for her. | |
| 15:29 | caroline | but the problem will be back in a couple of months |
| 15:29 | I think we should move toward a more sustainable solution | |
| 15:30 | thd | Linode has two different means of adding disk space. |
| 15:30 | ashimema | we could zip up older manuals so they're still available as a download from an archive.. but not as a public site? |
| 15:30 | caroline | if that saves space I'm ok with that |
| 15:31 | along with redirecting like thd said? | |
| 15:31 | ashimema | either way.. to get us out of trouble quick Liz has agreed to take a look after her meeting |
| 15:31 | * ashimema | poked her on Slack |
| 15:31 | ashimema | I recons so.. |
| 15:32 | caroline | ok so what are the actions? It's only liz that can do all of it right? |
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| 15:32 | caroline | or she just controls the the hardware |
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| 15:33 | ashimema | and possible rangi.. but I think he said last night he's not really able to either |
| 15:33 | thd | A disk volume which is not included in automatic backup can be attached on Lindode or the VPS host can be moved to a system with more disk space for a higher price. |
| 15:33 | ashimema | she controls the hardware |
| 15:33 | caroline | everyone OK with archiving older manuals as zip files (hosted where?), and redirecting links to newer versions of the manual |
| 15:34 | lucyvh | +1 |
| 15:34 | caroline | I would archive all manuals for unsupported versions |
| 15:34 | thd | Would redirection use a rewrite script? |
| 15:35 | caroline | I don't know how it could work... I was imagining like the thing we have for "latest" |
| 15:36 | ashimema | 'latest' is a sylink |
| 15:36 | lucyvh | I'm not sure about all unsupported but certainly the very early manuals |
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| 15:36 | caroline | So do we keep two unsupported versions + sall supported versions? |
| 15:37 | ashimema | git space on gitlab and the likes is free I believe.. we could stick the archived one's in there and link to them that way |
| 15:37 | caroline | do you have clients who still used Koha 18.05 or 18.11? |
| 15:37 | ashimema | haha |
| 15:37 | I bet lots of people are still on 18.05 ;) | |
| 15:37 | wouldn't be surprised to find 17.x's out there | |
| 15:37 | caroline | we still have one client on 3.14... so I'm not throwing rocks or anything |
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| 15:38 | lucyvh | We have one or two still on later 3.x I think? |
| 15:38 | liliputech_asu | i |
| 15:39 | lucyvh | How would this affect the contextual links from the staff interface? |
| 15:39 | liliputech_asu | i think one of our customer even is 16.11 |
| 15:39 | lucyvh | For those still on really old versions? |
| 15:39 | caroline | I mean... if they've been using Koha this long, they know how to use it right? |
| 15:40 | lol | |
| 15:40 | ashimema | we do? |
| 15:40 | scary | |
| 15:40 | lol | |
| 15:40 | lucyvh | haha, they should |
| 15:40 | liliputech_asu | caroline: lol, within an organisation, people move (and the sigb may not) |
| 15:40 | (sigb => ils) | |
| 15:41 | thd | There may always be new staff members and new use of some features. |
| 15:41 | caroline | you're right liliputech_asu |
| 15:41 | do we know what it does to the links in the staff interface like lucyvh said? | |
| 15:42 | liliputech_asu | if old link are redirecting to new pages, isn'it like some kind of advertisement? o:) |
| 15:42 | ashimema | dang.. my math was wrong.. it's not 120mb per translation.. it's bigger than that becuase we also build PDF's, and ebooks and stuff |
| 15:42 | sounds like we're going back to needing to keep the older ones to me.. | |
| 15:43 | and think about somehow slimming them down or increasing disks semi-regularly | |
| 15:43 | caroline | Because for those who use really old versions, they could download the zip archive and link to them locally |
| 15:43 | it's just the links in the staff interface that bug me | |
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| 15:44 | cait1 | Sorry for almost totally missing the meeting :( |
| 15:44 | lucyvh | I don't think we need to keep them all - just longer than only the supported ones - 5 years back perhaps? |
| 15:44 | caroline | but I think help was in Koha until more recent versions right? |
| 15:44 | cait1 | but the help pages link to the manual |
| 15:44 | caroline | there were no links to the manual until... 17? 18? |
| 15:44 | cait1 | so we'd break these |
| 15:45 | caroline | ah ok |
| 15:45 | cait1 | but yes, 16.11 would definitely have the help pages still |
| 15:45 | thd | We need a better system for staff interface links so that they can direct to a local version with a system preference change. |
| 15:45 | caroline | so would redirectins work in that case? |
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| 15:45 | cait1 | thd that is already possible |
| 15:45 | you configure the link to the manual in a pref | |
| 15:45 | * ashimema | builds the manuals locally so check the sizes again |
| 15:46 | caroline | I put another point in the agenda that is maybe linked to this |
| 15:46 | manual.koha-community.org vs translate.koha-community.org/manual | |
| 15:46 | cait1 | thd: for example we point ours to the nightly translation preview manuals... as the other s don't get updated |
| 15:46 | exactly the point caroline is making there :) | |
| 15:46 | ashimema | haha.. that bug bear |
| 15:46 | that one's bugged me for ages | |
| 15:47 | caroline | I've had complaints that translations are not being built, but they are on translate... |
| 15:47 | cait1 | can't we just... do a domain redirect and use Bernardo's? ;) |
| 15:47 | kidclamp | What is the point of the 'DEFAULT' authority type? |
| 15:47 | oops, in meeting, sorry | |
| 15:47 | caroline | so coud we keep only the english manual on manual.koha... and the translated ones on translate? |
| 15:47 | cait1 | kidclamp: let me know when you figure it out :) |
| 15:47 | kidclamp: i believe there is a bug somewhere in bugzilla about when it was added | |
| 15:48 | ashimema | the whole translate thing keeps really confusing me |
| 15:48 | cait1 | I believe the templates are a bit different between those 2 - do we want to make sure they actually look the same? |
| 15:48 | ashimema | people going off in their own directions |
| 15:48 | cait1 | ashimema: i don't think they do |
| 15:48 | thd | People merely need to be reminded to configure the system preference with a download to the manual for their version. |
| 15:48 | cait1 | Bernardo's was intended to help translating as it constantly updates so you can check what you did |
| 15:48 | ashimema | right |
| 15:49 | I had a way to automatically submit merge requests for the translated manuals for you caroline | |
| 15:49 | caroline | oh right I forgot! |
| 15:49 | ashimema | I was waiting on bernardo to let me update the version of git on he translations server.. |
| 15:49 | caroline | lol |
| 15:49 | ashimema | I need to go ahead and do that |
| 15:49 | but... | |
| 15:49 | I'm not sure that's what we actually want to do anymore? | |
| 15:49 | cait1 | i think we do |
| 15:50 | what we want is update the main repository with the po files generated on the translation server | |
| 15:50 | i think we just got stuck on the how often | |
| 15:50 | caroline | I don't know, I think it could solve our space problem to have them divided, but I don't want to impose on bernardo |
| 15:50 | ashimema | do we.. or do we want to skip the merge step and push the translated builds straight to the koha-community.org/manual site instead |
| 15:50 | save caroline merging translations into our git every time? | |
| 15:50 | cait1 | hm we could also do that |
| 15:50 | and not keep the po in the main repo at all? | |
| 15:50 | caroline | Yes I would prefer that |
| 15:51 | ashimema | I think I could work that out.. I'm sure if I asked liz would give me an rsync key for it. |
| 15:51 | indeed | |
| 15:51 | cait1 | but it might be nice to have another copy outside of translate |
| 15:51 | a mirror of the repo at least | |
| 15:51 | ashimema | yeah.. perhaps we update the po's in git once a month along with release? |
| 15:51 | koha release that is.. | |
| 15:51 | I'm getting pulled away.. the kids, and dog, want a walk | |
| 15:51 | cait1 | on first glance that sounds good to me |
| 15:52 | caroline: quick,@action ashimema ;) | |
| 15:52 | caroline | I think we need to discuss this in detail, maybe outside of a meeting? |
| 15:52 | ashimema | can you action me for it.. but also add it to our roadmap doc cait1? |
| 15:52 | I'm using that roadmap as a bit of a to do list this cycle | |
| 15:52 | cait1 | now I got actioned... |
| 15:52 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:52 | caroline | action to action |
| 15:53 | ashimema | right.. sorry chaps and chapesses.. and they/them/others |
| 15:53 | I need to scoot | |
| 15:53 | see ya later | |
| 15:53 | cait1 | @ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) |
| 15:53 | huginn | cait1: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:53 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 15:53 | cait1 | @action ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) |
| 15:53 | caroline | its #action |
| 15:53 | cait1 | i probbably can't even do that... without chair? |
| 15:53 | caroline | #chair cait1 |
| 15:53 | huginn | Current chairs: cait1 caroline |
| 15:53 | cait1 | #action ashimema to move forward on updating the translated manuals on the website (details to be discussed) |
| 15:53 | i can do the roadmap later | |
| 15:54 | #action cait to add the translated manuals to the roadmap for 21.05 | |
| 15:54 | caroline | ok I'll the other things since we're short on time |
| 15:54 | if you wanted to discuss something, add it to the wiki page | |
| 15:54 | and we'll ppiroritize that next meeting | |
| 15:55 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 15:55 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 7 January 2021) | |
| 15:55 | caroline | 4 weeks from now would be Feb 18 |
| 15:56 | I would make the meeting a bit later so david can attend, is that ok with you? I know you're all in europe | |
| 15:56 | (except thd) | |
| 15:56 | marie-luce | if there small things that a newbie could help you out? |
| 15:57 | caroline | 19 UTC good? |
| 15:58 | cait1 | probably :) |
| 15:58 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 18 February, 2021, 19 UTC |
| 15:58 | lucyvh | That suits me |
| 15:58 | caroline | #endmeeting |
| 15:58 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 15:58 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Jan 7 15:58:09 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:58 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-01-07-15.01.html | |
| 15:58 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]1-01-07-15.01.txt | |
| 15:58 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]07-15.01.log.html | |
| 15:58 | caroline | thanks all! |
| 15:59 | @later tell ashimema can you run the meeting script? | |
| 15:59 | huginn | caroline: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:59 | caroline | cait1: can you check the Documentation to-do list on bugzilla? |
| 16:00 | There are these two bugs that are not showing up https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]2&namedcmd=Manual | |
| 16:00 | I think it's because of status | |
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| 16:03 | cait1 | hm let me see |
| 16:04 | sorry, which are the bugs? | |
| 16:04 | caroline | bug 27242 |
| 16:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27242 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED INVALID, SPAM |
| 16:05 | cait1 | the link doesn't work for me |
| 16:05 | bugzilla is silly like that | |
| 16:05 | caroline | and bug 12404 |
| 16:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, CLOSED FIXED, CSV profiles improvements (concatenations, substrings, conditions...) |
| 16:05 | cait1 | I thin the first should not show up, it's invalid |
| 16:05 | so resolved | |
| 16:05 | and the second is closed | |
| 16:05 | they are not to-do-items | |
| 16:05 | ah hm | |
| 16:05 | caroline | well with th new workflow, the closed bugs with manual are going to be to-go |
| 16:06 | cait1 | if we mark bugs with the tag and not have separate manual bugs... hm |
| 16:06 | ok | |
| 16:06 | i think now it gets complicated | |
| 16:06 | we'd want to not show the bugs with the manual component and closed | |
| 16:06 | caroline | I removed the tag from the SPAM one |
| 16:06 | cait1 | but we'd want to show the ones tagged manual and closed |
| 16:06 | right? | |
| 16:06 | caroline | yes exactly |
| 16:06 | cait1 | i am not sure if we can make that work in the same search |
| 16:07 | caroline | is that even possible with bz? |
| 16:07 | cait1 | i am having a look |
| 16:07 | caroline | Ok then can you do Docuemtnation to-do 1 and documentation to-do 2? :P |
| 16:07 | cait1 | i thik i can maybe do it with a custom status |
| 16:08 | custom search | |
| 16:08 | let me see | |
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| 16:17 | cait1 | caroline: could you give it a test please? |
| 16:18 | lukeG | hi Koha! |
| 16:18 | wahanui | hi Koha! is, like, there a table in which i can see if a borrower has borrowed any books (or if library lended out any books) |
| 16:18 | caroline | wahanui forget hi Koha! |
| 16:18 | wahanui | caroline, I didn't have anything matching hi koha |
| 16:18 | cait1 | hi lukeG :) |
| 16:19 | caroline | cait1: seems ok! |
| 16:20 | cait1 | ok, i will leave it like that and if you spot something let me know? |
| 16:20 | caroline | cait1: should this one be in the list? bug 25442 |
| 16:20 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25442 minor, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Release dates are missing from the timeline |
| 16:20 | cait1 | hm my first thoguht woudl be no |
| 16:21 | It's documentation component and resolved | |
| 16:21 | so there should benothing to do | |
| 16:21 | manual keyword and resolved one should show now tho | |
| 16:21 | caroline | maybe exclude duplicates? |
| 16:22 | cait1 | hm don't think we should |
| 16:22 | i mean show them | |
| 16:22 | becuase if it#s a duplicate the "real" bug will show | |
| 16:22 | or should | |
| 16:23 | yu will never get these out of the todo list otherwise | |
| 16:23 | this bug can't be "done" | |
| 16:24 | caroline | so we should exclude duplicates is what I understand |
| 16:24 | cait1 | but it doesn't show, does it? |
| 16:24 | caroline | If I click on Documentation to-do, it's there |
| 16:24 | cait1 | ok it does |
| 16:24 | sec | |
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| 16:25 | cait1 | sorry, we meant the same thing actually |
| 16:25 | it should be gone now | |
| 16:27 | caroline | +1 |
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| 16:44 | ashimema | right.. |
| 16:44 | if/when you go to build translations caroline.. from that tools page.. it'll now create a proper gitlab merge request for you | |
| 16:44 | so.. you can use that for the monthly translation updates | |
| 16:45 | as for updating regularly.. I'm just contemplating how to achieve it. | |
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| 16:49 | caroline | ashimema: cool! thank you so much! Now I just have to remember to do it |
| 16:51 | cait1 | bye #koha! |
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| 17:16 | ashimema | wow |
| 17:16 | I just built the manuals again | |
| 17:16 | the epub is bloody huge! | |
| 17:18 | caroline | do we have statistics on acces/link clicks? |
| 17:18 | ashimema | right... so for the current master version.. the manual.. with all translations, the website and the epub |
| 17:18 | it comes out at 1.9G | |
| 17:19 | caroline | eesh |
| 17:19 | ashimema | er.. you'd have to ask liz.. I don't know that |
| 17:19 | caroline | ok just wondering if it's used at all (the epub) |
| 17:19 | ashimema | so that's 8GB for the supported plus 'next' manual at a rough estimate. |
| 17:20 | then roughly the same for all the older manuals combined | |
| 17:20 | indeed | |
| 17:20 | I'm not even sure I know how to get it. | |
| 17:21 | caroline | surely someone asked for it if we build it, but do they still use it? |
| 17:23 | marie-luce | wow, it's huge |
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| 17:24 | caroline | wizzycray around? |
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| 17:32 | ashimema | don't think the epud is that huge actually.. |
| 17:32 | it's more the translations as I said.. | |
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| 17:32 | ashimema | 1.9gb is for the translated html and epubs all combined |
| 17:33 | the epubs are smaller than the html I believe | |
| 17:33 | the biggest saving we could make would be to put the images at a top level and share them between all the translations... | |
| 17:33 | but if we actually are going to have translated images there's no point even trying to separate them out | |
| 17:33 | as we've just need to undo that again to translate them | |
| 17:34 | dinner time for me | |
| 17:34 | laters people.. have a nice evening | |
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| 17:52 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 17:52 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 17:53 | oleonard | How has Bug 25067 changed the process for updating and installing translations? |
| 17:53 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to master , Move PO file manipulation code into gulp tasks |
| 17:54 | oleonard | Do I need to run all the commands listed in the test plan? |
| 17:56 | cait | installing should still be the same i think |
| 17:56 | updatin gis different | |
| 17:57 | the gulp install etc you will need | |
| 17:57 | Locale::XGettext::TT2 needs to be installed | |
| 17:58 | the test plan on comment 68 reads well | |
| 17:59 | steps 1 2 basically | |
| 17:59 | i think you can run po:update with lang too, but not sure | |
| 17:59 | it's much faster than before | |
| 17:59 | oleonard | Great, thanks cait |
| 18:02 | cait | hope it works well for you |
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| 18:21 | oleonard | I was hoping it would magically resolve my problem with Bug 26244, but no such luck. |
| 18:21 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Move translatable strings out of memberentrygen.tt and into JavaScript |
| 18:23 | caroline | Did we block some auth value categories to certain uses? |
| 18:23 | I'm trying to add a field to a subscription and I can't choose the DEPARTMENT category | |
| 18:24 | It seems it was possible before https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ngfieldvalues.png | |
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| 18:32 | caroline | I think it's on purpose? I can't See Asort/Bsort either in the list |
| 18:34 | My authorized value categories : https://snipboard.io/7qklCQ.jpg | |
| 18:34 | Authorized value categories available for additional fields https://snipboard.io/qK8Uo6.jpg | |
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| 18:40 | caroline | ah! It's because I didn't have any values in my DEPARTMENT category |
| 18:41 | Sneaky! | |
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| 19:44 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 19:55 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 20:26 | oleonard | tcohen still around? |
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| 20:40 | kidclamp: Bug 27252: Default to cross fields off | |
| 20:40 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27252 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to oldstable , ES5 no longer supported (since 20.11.00) |
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| 21:11 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 21:39 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 21:52 | cait | caroline: I have added our manual problem to the roadmap Automated updates for translated manuals |
| 21:52 | https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap | |
| 21:52 | ashimema: Manual issue added to roadmap https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.05_roadmap | |
| 21:55 | caroline | thanks cait! |
| 21:55 | Now we have to work on it! | |
| 21:55 | cait | very true :) |
| 21:59 | ashimema | Ta |
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| 22:54 | tuxayo | gmcharlt around? |
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