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| 07:19 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 07:23 | TimothyAlexis | Hello, good morning and good evening. |
| 07:25 | We are using 2 languages in Koha, 'en' and 'sv-SE', is it possible to get these? | |
| 07:25 | in code. | |
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| 07:32 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 07:35 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:51 | TimothyAlexis | I found that I can use C4::Context->preference('opaclanguages'), is there a better option? |
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| 08:04 | ashimema | what do you mean by 'in code' ? |
| 08:04 | what for.. | |
| 08:04 | a plugin? | |
| 08:04 | or a core feature | |
| 08:05 | TimothyAlexis: ^ | |
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| 08:07 | * cait1 | waves |
| 08:08 | cait1 | qa email delayed today, will send around lunch break |
| 08:11 | TimothyAlexis | It's for a plugin |
| 08:11 | ashimema | https://koha-community.gitlab.[…]translate-plugin/ |
| 08:12 | might be worth a quick read | |
| 08:12 | are you looking for the full list of installed languages or the currently active language | |
| 08:13 | there are various methods in C4::Languages if you're doing more than just adding translations to a plugin | |
| 08:14 | cait1 | TimothyAlexis: I didn't have time yet to check closely, but would like to have another look at the statute-barred script |
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| 08:14 | cait1 | ah the other laptop shut down... one cait less |
| 08:14 | ashimema | +1, I have a busy day today, but that one was on my list |
| 08:14 | cait | yeah busy here too, starting with a long meeting in 15 :( |
| 08:15 | TimothyAlexis | cait1 It doesn't matter, we solved it locally and we will probably get back to that habit as my colleagues had been doing for about 1½ years before I started working here and thought we could contribute to community. |
| 08:16 | cait | i think you can contribute and you hsould not let it spoil for you |
| 08:16 | we are all people and sometimes things go the wrong way - but most of the time things can be resolved | |
| 08:17 | I for one am happy to have you around and see the input | |
| 08:22 | ashimema | That's upsetting to hear TimothyAlexis |
| 08:22 | I tend to agree with cait, you're better in than out and in general people are nice... | |
| 08:23 | most times things go wrong in my experience are when cultures clash, things get lost in translation (not just language but online vs in person communication) | |
| 08:23 | TimothyAlexis | I spent 2 weeks on something that was worth 2 minutes and at the end the only contribution I had made was to insult someone. |
| 08:23 | ashimema | and.. the simple fact that Koha is massive.. with a really long history. |
| 08:23 | remind my of the bug number.. | |
| 08:23 | I'll make some time now to take a look | |
| 08:24 | TimothyAlexis | I'm in a meeting now, will need to finish this first. |
| 08:24 | ashimema | k |
| 08:24 | cait | we'll be here :) |
| 08:32 | * ashimema | has no idea what 'Status Barred' means.. it's not a term here |
| 08:34 | cait | explained in the comments :) |
| 08:34 | i looked it up, it is in deed an english term | |
| 08:35 | ashimema | I'm reading all the comments still |
| 08:35 | it's a long thread | |
| 08:42 | cait | yeah, i didn' get to that yet |
| 08:42 | in department meeting | |
| 08:42 | wrong window too :) | |
| 08:43 | ashimema | lol |
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| 09:16 | Joubu | @later tell rangi can you generate the 20.11 schema for schema.k-c.org please? |
| 09:16 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:17 | cait | hm got an issue here I have no idea about... maybe some of you got an an idea? |
| 09:17 | we have a library that lends out laptops, lots of holds, lots of items for 2 branches | |
| 09:18 | Joubu | @later tell rangi there is also a PR for the dashboard to merge (20.11 update) |
| 09:18 | wahanui | okay, Joubu. |
| 09:18 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:18 | cait | currently 8 holds |
| 09:18 | and ... for unknown reasons the priority 1 person doesn't get the laptop that is checked in at their branch | |
| 09:18 | but number 4 in the list gets triggered | |
| 09:18 | I have looked at the item - it's nothing special, home and holdingbranch are at the library that is pickup and homebranch of the patron | |
| 09:18 | i looked at the hold on db level | |
| 09:19 | it's a normal record level hold, no hold date in the future or similar | |
| 09:19 | the priorities are all nicely sequentially numbered | |
| 09:19 | ... which leaves me with NO IDEA. :( | |
| 09:20 | Joubu | how do you know that it's the 4th that has been triggered? |
| 09:20 | cait | because they checked the laptop item in and then "ignored" the hold |
| 09:20 | we canr eproduce it that way | |
| 09:21 | same happens when we check it in now for testing and ignore - again and again | |
| 09:21 | Joubu | you can reproduce the problem? |
| 09:21 | cait | yes |
| 09:21 | Joubu | on master? |
| 09:21 | cait | no |
| 09:21 | Joubu | on another specific version? |
| 09:21 | cait | for this library for now.... as i have no clue what's going on yet, we haven't been able to see if it happens elsewhere |
| 09:21 | Joubu | on just this one production server? :) |
| 09:21 | cait | 18.11.13 |
| 09:21 | yep | |
| 09:21 | so far | |
| 09:22 | ok 18.11.16 actually | |
| 09:22 | I know it's old... but i really need to figure out what's going on there | |
| 09:23 | hlds not filled in the right sequence is kind of a big issue :) | |
| 09:23 | prio number 4 who gets the item looks the same as the ones that are ignored - same home library etc. | |
| 09:24 | Joubu | always 4th? |
| 09:25 | cait | it doesn't appear to happen on other items there - so not sure |
| 09:25 | there are not many with so many holds, the laptops are a high-demand item | |
| 09:26 | Joubu | how many holds? |
| 09:26 | 10, 100, 1000? | |
| 09:26 | cait | currently 8 |
| 09:26 | so not that many | |
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| 09:27 | cait | 9 holds currently for 70 items |
| 09:32 | Joubu | sorry, no idea and cannot recreate :-/ |
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| 09:35 | cait | Joubu: thx for trying :) |
| 09:35 | which is the method called for triggering a hold? | |
| 09:35 | maybe staring at the bit of code will give me an idea | |
| 09:42 | Joubu | cait: it's C4::Reserves::CheckReserves called from AddReturn |
| 09:44 | Is LocalHoldsPriority on? | |
| 09:53 | @later tell tcohen Do you think we can accept 26742 as it or should we require the changes to koha-create, makefile, etc.? | |
| 09:53 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:56 | cait | Joubu: no, but the patrons in question are all from the same branches anyway :( |
| 10:02 | TimothyAlexis | cait my intention is to contribute where I can. If I'm adding some simple functionality where there already is similar functionality, then I think it's viable to simply align with the standard that is already there. If the standard needs to be improved, then that also makes sense. |
| 10:03 | In the case with bug 27080 Joonas kept changing the scope until I thought that fine, he is free to do it himself according to his liking. | |
| 10:03 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27080 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , Add --statute-barred-fees option to cleanup_database.pl to purge all fees where the item has been returned and the fee is older than the given number of days. |
| 10:05 | TimothyAlexis | From our perspective, we are obligated to clean up statute-barred fines, I know that is true for all Swedish libraries, so I thought I'd just add that functionality. |
| 10:07 | Early on, Joonas requested that the implementation was according to the new standard, which would require all the already existing code to be updated aswell. | |
| 10:08 | sooner or later... | |
| 10:09 | After he had increased the scope a couple of times, I decided to let it go. | |
| 10:13 | cait | You can always bring it up to in discussion and alet me |
| 10:13 | there is something in the coding guidelines about disagreements with QA as well | |
| 10:13 | .. and let me know | |
| 10:13 | i was behind reading bug mail for the last 2 weeks so only saw it this weekend | |
| 10:14 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 10:14 | cait | we are human, it's totally ok to ask for second opinions |
| 10:15 | i believe it would be useful outside of sweden as well | |
| 10:15 | we don#t have a law tot hat (that i know of) but it seems a reasonable feature | |
| 10:16 | TimothyAlexis | It takes 2 minutes to implement. Each library who wants the functionality can add it however they like. It could be a scheduled event in the database, it could be a custom perl script (which was the solution my colleagues had started before), it could be a custom enhancement of cleanup_database or even another way. I don't care. We have solved our problem. |
| 10:16 | I just thought that it would make sense to update what is already there, but I found that was not the case. | |
| 10:19 | This was how it happened from our perspective. | |
| 10:19 | "We need to clean up these fines." | |
| 10:19 | "There is a --fees option in cleanup_database.pl, let's use that one" | |
| 10:19 | "Oh, it only deletes the records where amountoutstanding is 0" | |
| 10:20 | ashimema | sorry, in a meeting |
| 10:20 | be with you shortly, | |
| 10:20 | TimothyAlexis | "Yeah, we remember now, person X started working on a script for that some months ago, let's look at it." |
| 10:20 | *Looks at the script* | |
| 10:21 | "Wouldn't it make sense to simply add an option to cleanup_database.pl? Similar to the --fees one" | |
| 10:21 | "Yeah that makes sense, let's do that instead of creating a custom script to do it." | |
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| 10:22 | TimothyAlexis | "Well, usually I would just want to add a scheduled event to the database... But we don't have a single one of those, it's being done with cronjobs in Koha. OK, let's update cleanup_database.pl" |
| 10:22 | "That way, it could benefit all the other libraries that need to do this too." | |
| 10:22 | 2 weeks of problems. | |
| 10:22 | *drop it* -> local change -> done. | |
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| 10:26 | cait | I think the initial thought was right - having it for everyone who needs it. A lot of libraries don't have the option to add locally in a simple way. |
| 10:26 | but I understand your reasoning about effort / effect | |
| 10:27 | gotta go again for a while | |
| 10:29 | ashimema | I feel you TimothyAlexis |
| 10:29 | I think many of us have been in that predicament | |
| 10:31 | tcohen | morning |
| 10:31 | ashimema | I'd also be really interested in your thoughts on using some other methods going forward btw.. the db actions is very interesting to me |
| 10:33 | tcohen | Joubu: I'd say yes. |
| 10:33 | At least on koha-create | |
| 10:34 | jajm would say Makefile too | |
| 10:43 | can I get a couple eyes on bug 27209? | |
| 10:43 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27209 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add Koha::Hold->set_pickup_location |
| 10:43 | tcohen | i'll be re-submitting bug 27205 on top of it, thanks |
| 10:44 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27205 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Hold routes are not dealing with invalid pickup locations |
| 10:47 | Joubu | @later tell oleonard 27099 is driving me crazy, I can't come up with a fix. Could you have a look? Pretty sure it will be trivial for you :) |
| 10:47 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:07 | tuxayo | Anyone to QA a trivial patch to make the CI on 20.05 pass again? bug 27177 |
| 11:07 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27177 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , t/db_dependent/api/v1/holds.t failing after bug 26988 |
| 11:07 | TimothyAlexis | ashimema I think Joonas has a clear view of what he wants done, so he can do that. We have solved the issue on our part. The other 60+ Swedish libraries are going to run into the same situation within 3 years, so they can solve it however they want. If Community wants to prepare for that, then the bug report is there. When I let something go, I have let it go. |
| 11:07 | tuxayo | hi #koha BTW :) |
| 11:08 | ashimema | OK, so long as it's not left such a bitter taste that you won't try again on other bugs |
| 11:09 | TimothyAlexis | Honestly, I have yet to make any meaningful contributions. The ones I've done so far have been trivial and the only reason I've really done them is to learn how to do it, thinking that at some point I'd know enough to make some actual contributions. |
| 11:10 | ashimema | well.. let me know if/when you ever need support getting things in.. I will always try to help and try to be pragmatic |
| 11:13 | Joubu | tuxayo: I am on it |
| 11:13 | TimothyAlexis | I've learned that if I ever reach a level of knowledge where I could start making contributions, this is what I'd have to deal with. The solution I have for that is to apply my skills where they are valued. |
| 11:14 | tuxayo | Thanks Joubu :) |
| 11:16 | TimothyAlexis | This is how I see it: |
| 11:16 | option 1 - scheduled event in the database, 1 line of code, 2 minutes implementation | |
| 11:17 | option 2 - ridiculous complexity to get the same result, including meaningless tests testing that the insane, meaningless complexity works. | |
| 11:18 | We want to get some rows from the database based on 3 criteria and delete those. | |
| 11:19 | It doesn't make any sense to do that with a perl script which defines a method for an object which uses another object to search etc. etc. etc. and then test if that function works. | |
| 11:19 | and then schedule that as a cron job. | |
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| 11:20 | TimothyAlexis | At the end of the day, we are deleting rows in a database based on 3 criteria. |
| 11:20 | There is the superfluous way of doing it, and the sensible way of doing it. | |
| 11:21 | ashimema | that's perspective.. I highlighted a few possible issues with your query in the bug report... |
| 11:21 | TimothyAlexis | At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how we do it in cleanup_database.pl because the fundamental idea to use a cron scheduled perl script doesn't make any sense. |
| 11:21 | ashimema | if you have the expertise to maintain customer work going forward.. then the approach of not having tests and doing it locally is fine ;) |
| 11:22 | TimothyAlexis | I have a similar situation in memory. |
| 11:22 | Joubu | then do it that way TimothyAlexis :) |
| 11:22 | if you are happy with it, everybody is happy I think | |
| 11:24 | magnuse | there are some other things to keep in mind too, like we want to log (to the action logs system) when automatic things happen |
| 11:26 | tcohen | I agree it is frustrating, I never found a proper way to workaround that. But I've learnt to value other's opinions to make my work better |
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| 11:27 | TimothyAlexis | The frustration stems from an entirely different source. |
| 11:27 | It really has very little to do with Koha. | |
| 11:27 | Which is the reason why we are doing this in the first place. | |
| 11:28 | ashimema | so long as people are not really angry with each other and happy to agree to disagree.. then we're all good |
| 11:29 | magnuse | +1 |
| 11:29 | tcohen | +1 |
| 11:29 | I like the idea of leveraging on the DB more | |
| 11:29 | TimothyAlexis | ashimema++ |
| 11:35 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 11:35 | TimothyAlexis | OK so there are even more things to consider. |
| 11:36 | Which Martin Renvoize commented. | |
| 11:38 | I'm going to talk with my team about it and we're possibly going to have to talk with those who actually want this to see if they even understand what it is that they are requesting. | |
| 11:41 | Reading Martin's comments, writing them off makes more sense than to delete them. Then they would balance to 0 and removed based on that criteria. | |
| 11:44 | Testing is fine, as long as what we're testing makes sense. | |
| 11:50 | There needs to be a bug report for the stuff that is already in cleanup_database.pl too, the --fees option uses stuff which has been concluded wrong and the unit test for it should be according to the standard. | |
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| 11:57 | ashimema | ashimema == Martin Renvoize ;) |
| 11:58 | yeah, it needs a cleanup.. like many things :( | |
| 11:58 | happy to help with such a cleanup.. though I already have a number of those projects on the go ;) | |
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| 12:06 | TimothyAlexis | I acted in frustration and the problem was me. I ask forgiveness. |
| 12:06 | For my behavior. | |
| 12:17 | tcohen | google down for 10 minutes already |
| 12:18 | tuxayo | Joubu++ great catch on 27177 (t/db_dependent/api/v1/holds.t for 20.05) |
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| 12:34 | tcohen | tuxayo I'm writing a patch for POST |
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| 13:09 | magnuse | koha put 16 messages for one patron in the message_queue (which was as expected), but postfix logs sending out 32 emails to the same patron, in 9 seconds. anyone else seen that? |
| 13:10 | a quick grep-and-count on the log shows both even and odd numbers of messages for different email adresses, so it looks like this is not happening for all patrons | |
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| 13:22 | ashimema | ? |
| 13:22 | cait1 | netsplit |
| 13:22 | you didn#t see it i guess :) | |
| 13:25 | oleonard: would you mind taking a look at bug 22038? | |
| 13:25 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22038 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Signed Off , When exporting account table to excel, decimal is lost |
| 13:25 | oleonard | What do I need to do to get Elasticsearch working in koha-testing-docker? Is ES5 the version I should choose? |
| 13:26 | magnuse | sacrifice your firstborn |
| 13:27 | oleonard | brb getting scimitar |
| 13:28 | I feel like it's not a good sign when I see "koha_es_1 exited with code 137" | |
| 13:30 | tcohen do you have any advice? | |
| 13:31 | tcohen | oleonard ES6 |
| 13:31 | what OS are you on? | |
| 13:31 | ES requires RAM, make sure the docker VM has RAM if you are on windows/macos | |
| 13:32 | I don't have a windows machine to test but on linux and macos some kernel setting is required to allow docker to allocate enough RAM for it | |
| 13:32 | oleonard | I'm on Mac |
| 13:39 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
| 13:40 | Joubu | oleonard: there should be the relevant error before this line |
| 13:43 | did | cait1: oops,, my mistake it's in 'needs signoff' state no signed off; http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22038 |
| 13:43 | huginn | Bug 22038: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, didier.gautheron, Needs Signoff , When exporting account table to excel, decimal is lost |
| 13:51 | oleonard | Joubu how do I reproduce Bug 27200? |
| 13:51 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27200 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Browse search" is broken |
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| 13:57 | Joubu | oleonard: Turn on OpacBrowseSearch |
| 13:57 | then /cgi-bin/koha/opac-browse.pl | |
| 13:57 | that's it :) | |
| 13:57 | oleonard | I don't see any link to that page |
| 13:57 | Joubu | Are you seeing "An error occurred, please try again."? |
| 13:57 | With or without the patch I attached? | |
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| 13:58 | Joubu | if you have the patch, then you don't see the "an error occurred" |
| 13:59 | If you can click "Search", then search for Exact: "d" | |
| 13:59 | then you can click on a result | |
| 13:59 | https://snipboard.io/A1sDtC.jpg | |
| 13:59 | oleonard | If I navigate directly to opac-browse.pl I see "This feature is not enabled" even though I enabled OpacBrowseSearch. |
| 14:00 | magnuse | restart_all? |
| 14:00 | Joubu | searchengine=elastic? |
| 14:01 | oleonard | Oh shoot searchengine got reset when I restarted the container. Sorry about that. |
| 14:02 | Joubu | oleonard: you can turn it on automatically, in .env (from ktd): KOHA_ELASTICSEARCH=1 |
| 14:03 | oleonard | I would have thought starting the container with "ku-es5" would have turned it on |
| 14:04 | Joubu | nope, it just setup the "elastic" docker container |
| 14:04 | KOHA_ELASTICSEARCH=1 will change the syspref and run the indexation | |
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| 14:08 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Still getting error from browse search even after patch and restart" (235 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/26498 |
| 14:15 | Joubu | oleonard: try koha-elasticsearch --rebuild -d -r kohadev |
| 14:27 | oleonard | Thanks Joubu |
| 14:27 | I have definitely never seen that page, sorry everyone :D | |
| 14:28 | caroline | cait1: what do you mean by manual saved search? |
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| 14:37 | TimothyAlexis | ashimema, cait1, We have discussed the statute-barred fines and have concluded that even though there are clear rules for how to handle them, translating that to system operations will need to be handled customly for each organization. |
| 14:43 | To clean up statute-barred fees would require the system to know how a statute-barred fee is defined, which would need to be defined specifically for each library. | |
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| 15:58 | caroline | ashimema and/or rangi: I got another pipeline fail after merging a manual contrib my lucyvh |
| 15:59 | *by | |
| 16:02 | cait1 | caroline: there was something you wanted from me in the docs meeting i missed |
| 16:02 | i scanned it quickly | |
| 16:02 | some search i created on bugzilla that needs to be changed? | |
| 16:02 | caroline | oh yes! |
| 16:02 | The Documentation to-do search on the main page | |
| 16:03 | can you add OR manual keyword? | |
| 16:03 | cait1 | did: will your patch also replace . , in text fields? |
| 16:03 | i only took a very quick look, but it didn't look like a pattern was checked on first glance - maybe there is a type or so it already gives? | |
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| 17:00 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:57 | caroline | bbl |
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| 19:38 | cait | @later tell caroline the manual keyword should already be checked |
| 19:38 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:34 | oleonard | Is there some one for the user to see their own card number in the OPAC? |
| 21:34 | some way? | |
| 21:35 | caroline | isn't it in my personal information? |
| 21:35 | or you personal informtion (i never know if it says my or your) | |
| 21:36 | oleonard | Oh, I guess it is in my test system. Why not in production, customization or old version? :D |
| 21:39 | There it is... I was looking at the wrong preference... | |
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