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00:04 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #26: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_U16/26/ |
00:20 | Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #146: STILL UNSTABLE in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.05_D9/146/ | |
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02:43 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
02:43 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
02:43 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U2010 build #65: FIXED in 50 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]_Master_U2010/65/ |
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07:18 | magnuse | \o/ |
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07:28 | alex_a | Bonjour |
07:28 | wahanui | salut, alex_a |
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07:29 | reiveune | hello |
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08:18 | fridolin | hi there |
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08:30 | ashimema | Mornin' |
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08:32 | nlegrand | bonjour! |
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09:57 | fridolin | Bug 27188 |
09:57 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27188 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Show current class in plugins home |
09:57 | fridolin | always better plugins ;) |
10:11 | domm | hey, is there a standard way to distribute/version-control/manage changes to the DB-Config? We need to do a lot of adaptions to various settings and MARC21 mapptings etc. Currently this is done manually in the DB. But we need a way to get those changes to our dev machines etc... |
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10:44 | Joubu | domm: I would create an idempotent "atomic update" entry |
10:44 | domm: cp installer/data/mysql/atomicupdate/{skeleton,your_file}.perl | |
10:45 | then edit it and create the SQL queries you need (making sure it will be idempotent) | |
10:45 | commit it | |
10:45 | and you will run the updatedatabase.pl script | |
10:46 | hope I understood correctly what you were asking for :) | |
10:46 | ashimema | that's how I do it at ptfs-e |
10:46 | we have a couple of idempotent atomicupdate files for such things | |
10:59 | domm | ok, perfect |
11:00 | I was quite sure you had something like this in place already :-) | |
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11:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U20 build #8: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_U20/8/ |
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11:29 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D10 build #24: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D10/24/ |
11:29 | joubu: Bug 25583: Improve wording | |
11:29 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25583 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , When ClaimReturnedLostValue is not set, the claim returned tab doesn't appear |
11:33 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U18 build #8: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_U18/8/ |
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11:37 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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11:39 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D9 build #15: SUCCESS in 1 hr 0 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_D9/15/ |
11:40 | Project Koha_20.11_U2010 build #10: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.11_U2010/10/ | |
11:45 | tuxayo | hi #koha o/ |
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11:54 | oleonard | Hi tuxayo |
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11:59 | kohaputti | docker 5 jenkins instance should be available again, I just deleted the docker log file that had consumed all the space on the machine |
11:59 | mtj, ^ | |
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12:07 | kidclamp | ashimema++ |
12:08 | mtj | thanx kohaputti! |
12:11 | tuxayo | hi kohaputti hi mtj Is there a way to know if a job can be run on all runners? I heard that it needed manual work in the runner, symlinking something. |
12:12 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #9: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.11_U16/9/ |
12:13 | kohaputti | tuxayo, hi, I don't know how the jenkins setup works, hopefully mtj or tcohen has better knowledge |
12:15 | mtj | hi tuxayo, if the build has 'delete workspace when build is done' in the 'post-build actions' section |
12:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_D11 build #20: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_D11/20/ |
12:16 | joubu: Bug 25583: Improve wording | |
12:16 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25583 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to stable , When ClaimReturnedLostValue is not set, the claim returned tab doesn't appear |
12:17 | mtj | ..it will delete temp files after it has finished, so can be run on all nodes |
12:18 | tuxayo: builds can have 'delete workspace before build starts' too | |
12:19 | ^ if builds have these 2 options set, they can be used on all nodes and not accumulate disk space | |
12:19 | tuxayo | mtj: great :) should I add the post-build action if I find a 19.11 build that lacks it? |
12:20 | Should all build have both? | |
12:20 | mtj | i think yes |
12:22 | also, 'honor refspec on inital clone' and 'shallow clone' git options selected | |
12:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.11_U16 build #10: SUCCESS in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_20.11_U16/10/ |
12:26 | tuxayo | thanks mtj , I'll check the 19.11 builds |
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12:46 | tuxayo | mtj: can I note the 4 recommendations as a draft section in this page? https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]nkins_maintenance |
12:46 | tcohen | tuxayo if builds are using shallow clones copying fomr /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_Source, they need no symlink |
12:46 | tuxayo | great! |
12:48 | mtj | tuxayo: sounds good to me |
12:48 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #146: FAILURE in 4 min 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_CPAN/146/ |
12:53 | mtj | Joubu has a nice idea to fetches from local git repos, for each nodes - to save some network traffic |
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12:57 | tuxayo | very nice |
12:57 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #147: STILL FAILING in 2 min 37 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_CPAN/147/ |
12:58 | tuxayo | hmm, even without modification, when I save a job I get "A problem occurred while processing the request." |
12:59 | Meanwhile, here are the notes with the recommendations: | |
12:59 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]n_recommendations | |
13:18 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U16 build #137: UNSTABLE in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U16/137/ |
13:21 | ashimema | easy QA on bug 27178 ;) |
13:21 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27178 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , OPAC results and lists pages contain invalid attributes (xmlns:str="http://exslt.org/strings") |
13:22 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #957: SUCCESS in 51 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/957/ |
13:23 | Project Koha_Master_U20 build #158: SUCCESS in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/158/ | |
13:33 | Joubu | kidclamp: following "Elasticsearch 6 on Koha 20.05 - Reindexing Failure" on the ML, did you also face this problem? |
13:33 | it's related to missing auth types, like CHRON_SUBD | |
13:34 | it's commented in the installer file, with a comment: | |
13:34 | https://git.koha-community.org[…]al_marc21.sql#L37 | |
13:34 | (it's fr-CA but it was commented in 'en' as well before we moved to yml where it has been completely removed) | |
13:34 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #453: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/453/ |
13:38 | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #477: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]aster_D9_My8/477/ | |
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13:42 | Joubu | mtj: this ^ is weird. I haven't pushed anything today but some Koha_Master jobs have been triggered (and not all) |
13:42 | mtj: like https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U20/158/ | |
13:42 | "Started by an SCM change" | |
13:44 | ha | |
13:44 | but previous run was on Nov 20th | |
13:44 | so it hasn't been triggered yesterday when it should have been | |
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13:56 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D10 build #105: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_D10/105/ |
14:01 | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #344: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/344/ | |
14:07 | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #272: SUCCESS in 44 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/272/ | |
14:21 | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #278: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/278/ | |
14:23 | caroline | Anyone around know how to rebuild the manual to have the latest translations applied? |
14:24 | bernardo says "After that, the manual should be rebuilt, which I think is done automatically on each commit. If not, someone must rebuild it manually" | |
14:24 | cait1 | it is not |
14:24 | or not the ones on the website at least? | |
14:24 | we had long discussions about that and never got anywhere with it :( | |
14:24 | caroline | it is not rebuilt on each commit you mean? |
14:25 | cait1 | bernardos rebuilts nightly, i have no idea for those on the website |
14:25 | but the po files are never updated | |
14:25 | so it might update the manual, but never with the new translations | |
14:25 | if you want to see your translations, you need to go to https://translate.koha-community.org/manual | |
14:25 | caroline | just before that he said "to update the manual in k-c site you need first to update the po files in the main repository (20.05 branch) using the pull request" |
14:25 | cait1 | the ones Bernardo does |
14:26 | caroline | which i did |
14:26 | cait1 | the ones on the website are separate |
14:26 | aah | |
14:26 | ok | |
14:26 | then it could work | |
14:26 | caroline | So the only thing left is rebuild |
14:26 | cait1 | i really wish we'd automate that |
14:26 | caroline | same |
14:26 | cait1 | i believe that might happen automatically |
14:26 | did you do it for all languages? | |
14:26 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U20 build #167: SUCCESS in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U20/167/ |
14:27 | caroline | I did the pull request for 20.05 (there is no option for language) |
14:27 | cait1 | hm |
14:27 | caroline | https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ |
14:27 | cait1 | did the rmaint integrate it? |
14:27 | caroline | aren't I the rmaint of the manual? |
14:27 | cait1 | yes... i am confused |
14:27 | sorry, long days | |
14:27 | caroline | lol! |
14:28 | cait1 | was thinkign koha po files |
14:28 | well... the other po files | |
14:28 | when did you do it? | |
14:28 | caroline | Dec 4 (last week) |
14:29 | cait1 | hm and they are not there? |
14:29 | © Copyright 2020, Koha Community Last updated on 2020-12-09 22:45:10. < from the bottom of the manuals | |
14:29 | it looks like they do get updated/changed | |
14:29 | caroline | nope |
14:29 | cait1 | Joubu: ping? |
14:30 | * ashimema | reads up |
14:30 | cait1 | oh ok |
14:30 | caroline | I compare the OPAC chapter on https://translate.koha-communi[…]g/zh_TW/man20.05/ and https://koha-community.org/man[…]20.05/zh_TW/html/ |
14:30 | cait1 | the 20.11 one got updated |
14:30 | but the 20.05 not | |
14:30 | Joubu | I don't understand what you are trying to resolve |
14:30 | cait1 | Joubu: we need the 20.05 manuals on the website updated and don't know who can do it |
14:30 | they don't seem to update automatically | |
14:30 | caroline | I'm trying to apply the lastest translations on 20.05 manual |
14:30 | cait1 | last updated on de-DE from the website reads: 2020-05-14 22:37:24 |
14:31 | Joubu | hum ok, let me check |
14:31 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U16 build #27: FAILURE in 1 hr 12 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_U16/27/ |
14:31 | Joubu | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]er/.gitlab-ci.yml |
14:31 | we are only doing it for master | |
14:32 | lines 34 and 35 | |
14:32 | caroline | is it possible to do it manually? |
14:33 | do I have to copy that line? | |
14:33 | rsync etc. | |
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14:33 | ashimema | nope |
14:33 | you won't be able to rsync.. the key is private and stored securely on gitlab | |
14:33 | Joubu | only rangi can do it |
14:33 | ashimema | but |
14:34 | that same line appears for each branch in the ci file so sohuld be working | |
14:34 | caroline | ok I'll @later him then |
14:34 | ashimema | though.. it looks to me like the 'only' is setup incorrectly for some older branches |
14:34 | caroline | I always forget to ask when NZ working hours come around |
14:34 | ashimema | I'e fixed this at least once before |
14:34 | right.. | |
14:34 | so... | |
14:35 | the 'only' needs to reflect the branch you are on | |
14:35 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]gitlab-ci.yml#L34 | |
14:35 | Joubu | cait1: point him to the .gitlab-ci.xml and tell him we need to update 20.05 "manually" |
14:35 | ashimema | that's the 19.11 branch which works |
14:35 | Joubu | well yes, ashimema is right. Or we can fix the things :D |
14:35 | ashimema | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]gitlab-ci.yml#L34 |
14:35 | for the 20.05 one it's set to point to master.. | |
14:36 | caroline | @later tell rangi can you rebuild the 20.05 manuals in order to have the latest translations applied? |
14:36 | huginn | caroline: The operation succeeded. |
14:36 | ashimema | so.. when we branched we didn't update the ci file properly |
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14:36 | ashimema | I can fix it now if you want caroline |
14:36 | caroline | Will it work automatically in the future if you fix it like this? |
14:36 | Joubu | no |
14:37 | that's something you/we should add to the "branch the last stable for the manual" workflow | |
14:38 | caroline | I meant if the line is changed properly, will the manuals rebuild regularly? |
14:38 | ashimema | yes |
14:38 | caroline | ok that's good |
14:38 | ashimema | but translations is a different thing |
14:38 | can't believe we hadn't spotted that the 20.05 manuals were not getting built :( | |
14:39 | you can see the pipeline is running now if you take a look at the page | |
14:39 | caroline | I think the fr-FR team mentioned it once, but we asked for examples and they never replied |
14:39 | ashimema | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ree/manual20.05.x |
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14:39 | ashimema | see the blue progress meter next to the most recent commit |
14:39 | caroline | ashimema++ |
14:39 | ashimema | if you hover over it, it says 'Pipeline running' |
14:40 | caroline | what is a pipeline? |
14:40 | ashimema | well.. actually that build will have not just een translations but anything you backported since may will not have been published |
14:40 | a 'pipeline' is just some code that runs | |
14:40 | i.e the gitlab-ci.yml file describes the pipeline | |
14:40 | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…].x/.gitlab-ci.yml | |
14:41 | it's how gitlab does 'stuff' when you push | |
14:41 | or emrge | |
14:41 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
14:41 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
14:41 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D10_CPAN build #148: FIXED in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ter_D10_CPAN/148/ |
14:41 | caroline | ok before we often had pipeline fails |
14:41 | but not anymore | |
14:41 | ashimema | as for the translations side of things.. I thought we'd got those pulling from pootle regularly too.. seems not :( |
14:42 | caroline | I think rangi did something to prevent the fails |
14:42 | ashimema | if you have a pipeline fail.. you should poke myself, joubu, tcohen or rangi to come fix it ;) |
14:42 | caroline | ok will do :) |
14:43 | seems pulling translations is manual right now https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ | |
14:43 | ashimema | actually.. that just gave me an idea... of how you could have your cake and eat it too with the whole not wanting to branch yet discussion |
14:44 | * caroline | likes cake |
14:44 | cait1 | ashimema: but it looks like caroline can handle that part manually now at least |
14:45 | that's a little progress... and i hsould really scroll down to the end first | |
14:45 | ashimema | hehe |
14:45 | I could have sworn we'd agreed to automate it.. | |
14:45 | cait1 | lol yes |
14:45 | but then you guys never figured out how! | |
14:45 | ashimema | but then, I have vague recollections of bernardo, joubu and I all stepping on each others toes at the time |
14:45 | so I backed away | |
14:46 | cait1 | i think we didn't figure out the technical way |
14:46 | ashimema | well.. it kinda already happens.. bernardo does it on the translations server.. |
14:46 | cait1 | yes |
14:46 | so we could either move the already done work | |
14:46 | ashimema | we just don't yet push that to the community server as well |
14:46 | I thought we did | |
14:46 | cait1 | like the files |
14:46 | but we also shoudl find a way to get the po files submitted to the main repo | |
14:46 | Joubu | it is automated |
14:46 | for master | |
14:47 | cait1 | caroline just updated the po files |
14:47 | Joubu | that was how it was supposed to work when I set it up with rangi 3y ago |
14:47 | cait1 | i don't think it is |
14:47 | the po files bernardo makes are not making their way into the manual repo | |
14:47 | which is used for the website builds | |
14:48 | you build the translated manuals, but without the latest translations | |
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14:50 | caroline | what's your idea for the branching ashimema? (still waiting to have my cake and it eat) |
14:50 | ashimema | a double rsync |
14:50 | caroline | In French the saying is "having the butter and the money from the butter" |
14:51 | Joubu | (that's the nice version) |
14:51 | ashimema | i.e. push the master branch for both 20.11 and 21.05 directories |
14:52 | we'll see in a minute if it works | |
14:52 | the pipeline is running ;) | |
14:53 | when you do decide you're happy to branch.. let me know caroline and i'll try to help.. it will need a couple of commits on that ci file to get things right | |
14:54 | caroline | does the not nice version involve the milkmaid or something? |
14:54 | ashimema: cool! thanks! | |
14:55 | ashimema | so.. translations wide |
14:55 | * so.. translations wise | |
14:55 | did you say you'de just merged them or something? | |
14:55 | I'm not seeing a commit anywhere for that? | |
14:56 | caroline | I asked Bernardo and he said I had to first pull using this tool https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ and then rebuild |
14:56 | ashimema | in fact.. that last thing I see on 20.05 is from 3 months ago |
14:56 | Joubu | oui, la crémière |
14:56 | things are not backported, that's why only master was updated :) | |
14:57 | caroline | Yes like I said last time, I only backport if the writer specifies it's for a version |
14:57 | ashimema | but I thought caroline was backporting some things |
14:57 | I'm confused again | |
14:57 | right... so what have you done so far on the translations front | |
14:58 | it sounded like you were trying to get them into the community facing manuals | |
14:58 | caroline | nothing expect pull 20.05 last week |
14:58 | *except | |
14:58 | ashimema | pulled locally |
14:58 | so not pushed the change to gitlab? | |
14:59 | caroline | no I wasn't aware I had to push :( |
14:59 | ashimema | ok |
14:59 | Joubu.. how did you say you had it setup with rangi? | |
14:59 | it looks to me like bernardo has replicated how we do koha releases.. | |
14:59 | caroline | Here's what Bernardo said "It's exactly that, we need someone to update the corresponding branches of the repository (I can't) |
14:59 | For that you can use https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ to get a pull request to merge updates from pootle into the main repo. | |
14:59 | You only need to fill in an email and select the manual branch." | |
14:59 | then "to update the manual in k-c site you need first to update the po files in the main repository (20.05 branch), using the pull request. | |
14:59 | After that the manual should be rebuilt, which I think is done automatically on each commit. | |
14:59 | If not, someone must rebuild it manually." | |
15:00 | ashimema | riiiiight |
15:00 | so.. you have a local git repo on your system right.. | |
15:00 | caroline | yes I have my gitlab |
15:00 | ashimema | and you checked out the branch bernardo points to in the email? |
15:00 | caroline | (my version of the manual) |
15:01 | no I only filled the online tool | |
15:01 | ashimema | have you got the email it sends? |
15:02 | caroline | yes |
15:02 | The following changes since commit 6b2330314ed09e771fc07b9aa7a7261d2dfae8fe: | |
15:02 | taiga830 (2020-09-17 21:42:54 +0000) | |
15:02 | are available in the git repository at: | |
15:02 | gitgitlab.com:bgkriegel/koha-manual.git | |
15:02 | for you to fetch changes up to 6a8a7cde3827150498ffd6250df35aae9fab0726: | |
15:02 | Translation update - Koha manual 20.05 - 20201204 (2020-12-04 11:03:20 -0300) | |
15:03 | then a list of files | |
15:04 | ashimema | OK.. give me a few minutes.. I'm going to find the script on the translation server and see if I can update it to submit a merge request directly on gitlab for you.. then it should be a simple matter of clicking the merge button |
15:04 | caroline | that would be great! <3 |
15:05 | I have to leave soon (partner has appt. at the hospital) hopefully I'll be back in time for the docs meeting later *crosses fingers* | |
15:07 | ashimema | blimey.. he wrote this in C |
15:08 | Joubu | ashimema: no |
15:08 | there is a bash script | |
15:09 | ashimema | yeah.. I see it |
15:09 | a bash script.. that's called by a C program.. that's called by a php script.. | |
15:09 | hahahahaha | |
15:16 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
15:16 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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15:19 | kidclamp | Joubu: yes - we could add those types to avoid that issue, though we don't really support them |
15:19 | i.e. Records of those types aren't going to be linked to authorities | |
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15:56 | ashimema | caroline.. if you spot a new merge request from me in the next few mins.. ignore it.. |
15:56 | I'm testing some things locally | |
16:07 | anyone got any idea's where i can find out what version of git introduced a feature? | |
16:07 | I want to use `git push --push-option` but can't for the life of me work out what version of git I need | |
16:11 | Joubu | "With Git 2.10 a new option came [--push-option=]." |
16:11 | https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]ption-in-git-push | |
16:11 | trust it or not :D | |
16:17 | ashimema | thanks :) |
16:17 | so, caroline.. I've asked permission to update the git version on the translate server.. then once that's done the process will create a nice merge-request you can just click to merge onces it's done. | |
16:18 | you'll still need to ask for the translations to be built each time you want them.. for now.. but the merge request should be a bit more managable. :) | |
16:18 | to get you started.. you should be able to see such a merge request for the 20.05 branch already.. | |
16:18 | that one is from my repo however.. it's just a clone of what bernardo creates so I could test the workflow locally :) | |
16:19 | so.. hit the merge button and you should find the translations get merged and built | |
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16:26 | reiveune | bye |
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16:37 | oleonard | If any QA folks are around can I suggest Bug 26392? |
16:37 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26392 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Wrap all translatable strings in opac-main.tt |
16:37 | oleonard | I'd love to see that move forward. |
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16:50 | tuxayo | Me too, I'm not sure to understand the current state of the bug. |
16:50 | Discussion about whether or not we should use t() everywhere which is more work for devs? | |
16:51 | ashimema | I think the arguments were mostly around performance.. and I think jajm proved that was a non-issue? |
16:52 | personally, I'm generally for consistency.. if we can get consistent about it, it's no more work for devs because there's nice clear examples everywhere on how to do it.. so it just becomes a yellow brick road.. even if initially it may feel harder | |
16:53 | it's like adding the filters.. it just happens most of the time now as second nature. | |
16:54 | oleonard | IMO the opposition the syntax is not strongly supported |
16:54 | ashimema | ? |
16:55 | oleonard | I don't think you can make a strong argument that the syntax is too complicated for developers to learn |
16:55 | ashimema | agreed |
16:56 | interesting.. I hadn't spotted that it means adding filtering to all strings | |
16:57 | also.. not entirely sure I understand the syntax around the title element | |
16:57 | that's weird looking | |
16:58 | hmm, he also introduced some actual string changes unless I'm mistaken | |
16:58 | 'LibraryNameTItle' vs "{LibraryNameTitle} catalog" for example? | |
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17:08 | ashimema | nope.. I misread the original |
17:08 | it always had 'catalog' | |
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17:09 | TimothyAlexis | Hello, is there anyone active at the moment who knows about Opac News? |
17:09 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
17:09 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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17:09 | ashimema | oleonard was around moments ago.. he know about news ;) |
17:09 | oleonard | I mostly know about how to break it :D |
17:10 | TimothyAlexis | :) |
17:11 | I want to insert a news item using code. Temporarily I did it with INSERT INTO opac_news | |
17:12 | I have title, content and lang | |
17:12 | I looked at Koha/NewsItem.pm and Koha/News.pm (We have 20.05.03) and these seem rather empty. | |
17:13 | oleonard | I can tell I won't know how to advise you TimothyAlexis, because what I know about news is mostly from the template side of things. |
17:14 | But please continue to explain in case someone else wants to jump in. | |
17:16 | TimothyAlexis | Well that was it. :) I'm thinking, what I've learned about Koha so far there could be something like a Koha::News::NewsItem object to use for inserting and deleting news items from the opac_news table. |
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17:37 | oleonard | jajm around? |
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17:48 | TimothyAlexis | Is there a Koha namespace replacement for C4::Context->preference(<syspref>) ? |
17:51 | oleonard | Anyone know what "Actions (NIY)" means on the background jobs page? "NIY" ? |
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17:54 | caroline | back! |
17:54 | thanks ashimema for the manual translate thing | |
17:55 | I haven't checked gitlab yet, just sat down and read back | |
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18:00 | caroline | anyone around for the docs meeting? |
18:00 | marie-luce | Hi all |
18:00 | caroline | I guess I'll start and they will come *crosses fingers* |
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18:00 | thd | somewhat awake |
18:01 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020 |
18:01 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Dec 10 18:01:02 2020 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
18:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
18:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_10_december_2020' |
18:01 | caroline | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_10_December_2020 |
18:01 | #topic Introductions | |
18:01 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:01 | caroline | please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes |
18:01 | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Montréal Qc Canada | |
18:01 | marie-luce | #info Marie-Luce Laflamme, inlibro Montreal |
18:02 | lucyvh | #info Lucy Vaux-Harvey, PTFS Europe |
18:02 | caroline | hi lucyvh! |
18:02 | lucyvh | Hi there |
18:02 | wahanui | hello, lucyvh |
18:03 | marie-luce | hi lucyvh |
18:03 | ashimema | Evening |
18:03 | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe | |
18:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [sometime employer died, leaving tens of thousands of books mess to clean up.] |
18:05 | caroline | #topic Review of action points |
18:05 | Topic for #koha is now Review of action points (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:05 | thd | If anyone could use thousands of books and can collect them from just north of New York city please let me know. |
18:05 | caroline | I will skip david's as he's not here |
18:05 | davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow | |
18:05 | #action davidnind will check how we can use gitlab to simplify the workflow | |
18:06 | next was me, I was supposed to check with ashimema on how to best insert the docs writing into the workflow | |
18:06 | I think we settled on the Manual keyword that will be added | |
18:06 | QA people can add it | |
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18:07 | caroline | I will also look through what is pushed to master to add the keyword |
18:07 | So writers, Taiga will not be used for the 21.05 cycle | |
18:07 | #info Taiga will not be used for the 21.05 cycle | |
18:08 | #info Use bugzilla and search for the Manual keyword | |
18:08 | lucyvh | No more epics :( |
18:08 | caroline | The manual will be epic no need for Taiga ;) |
18:08 | You can still use Taiga to look for older things to add | |
18:09 | lucyvh | True |
18:09 | caroline | cait1 and ashimema were supposed to look into cleaning up the Manual keywords already in bugzilla to start anew |
18:09 | this has been done | |
18:10 | #info all old Manual keywords were removed from bugzilla to start anew with the 21.05 cycle | |
18:11 | I was supposed to modify the "Documentation to-do" search on bz's main page to include Manual keywords | |
18:11 | not done, not sure if I can do it on my own or if cait1 needs to do it since she was the one who added it | |
18:12 | #action change the Documentation to-do search on bz main page to include Documentation component OR manual keyword | |
18:12 | I was supposed to document the new workflow, which I didn't do either... :( | |
18:12 | #action caroline will document workflow for 21.05 | |
18:12 | marie-luce | I could give a hand |
18:13 | caroline | But basically, it's what I said earlier, for writers, the only change is that ehnacements and new features will not be copied to Taiga, we will use the Manual keyword |
18:13 | Once you've put in the merge request, you can remove the Manual keyword from the bug | |
18:13 | I hope that makes sense | |
18:14 | anyone, interrupt me if you have questions... I feel like i'm giving a speech rather than participating in a meeting lol! | |
18:14 | lucyvh | Workflow sounds fine |
18:14 | caroline | last action point from last meeting was to divide the the syspref file because it is getting too big |
18:15 | I started this, but haven't finished... I will try to work on ituntil next meeting | |
18:15 | #action caroline (or anyone) to divide the syspref file as it is getting too big for updates through gitlab GUI | |
18:15 | lucyvh | Is there anything I can do to help with this? |
18:16 | caroline | hm... I thought I had to do it in one go, but we can do it bit by bit |
18:16 | if you add a new syspref maybe create the file for that section? | |
18:17 | I don't know if that would be too confusing for users | |
18:17 | probably... | |
18:17 | wahanui | i guess probably is too hard. |
18:17 | caroline | wahanui agrees lol! |
18:17 | wahanui | caroline: excuse me? |
18:17 | lucyvh | If I know the steps I'm happy to give it a go |
18:17 | As I'm the one who complained about it! | |
18:18 | caroline | I will try to do it in one go over the holidays, but if I can't I'll write how to do it bit by bit and we can all pitch in |
18:18 | does that sound good? | |
18:18 | lucyvh | Sounds good, thanks caroline |
18:18 | caroline | +1 |
18:18 | marie-luce | +1 |
18:19 | caroline | #topic Project updates |
18:19 | Topic for #koha is now Project updates (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:19 | caroline | anyone have updates on ongoing projects? |
18:19 | thd | I am still expecting some partially isolated time for wiki around January. |
18:20 | ashimema | Minor translation workflow improvements as discussed earlier |
18:20 | thd | Helping family with a mess after sometime employer's death is stealing all my time currently. |
18:21 | ashimema | I.e. let you do merges via the gitlab UI for the translation pull request tool |
18:22 | caroline | yes so the new workflow is pull request from the tool, then merge in gitlab, right? |
18:22 | ashimema | Yup |
18:22 | caroline | #info new workflow for translations: pull from https://translate.koha-community.org/tools/ then merge in gitlab |
18:22 | ashimema | I'm just waiting on the OK from Bernardo for me to update his server.. sure he'll be happy for me to but it's polite to ask ;) |
18:23 | caroline | thanks ashimema++ for helping on this :D |
18:24 | #topic What's been done so far | |
18:24 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:24 | caroline | anything else? |
18:24 | wahanui | it has been said that anything else is necessarily going to be incremental. |
18:25 | caroline | Project updates and what's been done so far are so similar... I never know the difference |
18:25 | thd | I used the former designation. |
18:25 | caroline | I guess what's been done so far is smaller things not related to major projects |
18:26 | If there is nothing else, we'll move on | |
18:26 | #topic Content development guidelines | |
18:26 | Topic for #koha is now Content development guidelines (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:27 | caroline | I think we talked about adding alt text to images last time |
18:27 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]and_Tricks#Images | |
18:27 | I've added it here | |
18:28 | lucyvh | +1 |
18:28 | caroline | From now on, if you update an image or add a new image, remember to add the alt text tot |
18:28 | too | |
18:28 | marie-luce | +1 |
18:29 | caroline | I was thinking maybe it would be a good time to change the image naming/numbering convention? |
18:29 | Incremental names are easy, but they cause problems when people work on the manual at the same time | |
18:29 | We talked about this some years ago, but no decision was taken | |
18:30 | I was wondering if anyone had suggestions/comments/ideas/objections? | |
18:30 | lucyvh | That sounds like a good idea |
18:31 | I struggle with the images | |
18:31 | I was thinking it might be better to update images in sections, rather than piecemeal. So do a couple of sections each release? | |
18:32 | Maybe not practical though | |
18:32 | caroline | Good idea |
18:33 | I don't think it's even thinkable to update this all in one go... we have over 1500 images | |
18:33 | Like alt text, we can do it bit by bit as we update | |
18:33 | lucyvh | Yep |
18:34 | caroline | what would be a good convention, instead of imageXXXX, do we add the chapter? Or simply give it a name? |
18:34 | ACQXXXX or ACQ-budgetscreen ? | |
18:35 | or just budgetscreen | |
18:35 | lucyvh | Just the filename? |
18:36 | caroline | yeah, I don't see any downsides to the filename |
18:36 | I would like to have them organized... just so that it's not one loooooong list | |
18:36 | maybe we could separate them like they are in the directory? | |
18:37 | marie-luce | by koha module? |
18:37 | lucyvh | Good idea |
18:37 | caroline | module and then under each, filename, filename, etc |
18:38 | marie-luce | sounds good, much easier to locate in a directory than the whole liste |
18:38 | lucyvh | Split up as they are in source/ images? |
18:38 | caroline | Ok so how about this, if you update or add a new image, use the filename instead of imageXXXX |
18:38 | and add the module section if it's not already there | |
18:38 | makes sense? | |
18:39 | thd | Something like semantic_something-semantic_something_else-number would give a smaller more manageable scope to numbers. |
18:39 | marie-luce | is there a character limit on file name? |
18:39 | lucyvh | +1 |
18:40 | caroline | I don't think so |
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18:40 | thd | there is a character limit on URIs |
18:40 | caroline | how many? |
18:41 | thd | URI character limit is hundreds of characters and not easily reached except by automated extension of naming. |
18:41 | * oleonard | whispers "Too many to worry about" |
18:41 | thd | Filenames have an OS limit. |
18:42 | caroline | ok, I don't think we need to worry about this... we already have 60 characters in our URL for images, then if a filename is too big, we'll have to worry about it on a case by case basis |
18:43 | I like the idea of the filename | |
18:44 | thd | MS Windows has the biggest constraint on filenames where some low level systems could still be tied to old MS DOS pathname limits such as 255 characters for the full path. |
18:44 | caroline | without the extension |
18:44 | so filename rather than filename.png | |
18:44 | lucyvh | OKay |
18:45 | caroline | #agreed use filename rather than imageXXXX for image aliases and separate like they are in the directory |
18:46 | marie-luce | +1 |
18:46 | caroline | #info when updating or adding a new image, use the filename and if the section is not already created, create it |
18:46 | yay! I'm so glad we're doing this! It's always bugged me | |
18:47 | We have some time left I wanted to talk about notes | |
18:47 | lucyvh | :) |
18:47 | caroline | I noticed there is a command (or whatever it's called) to make notes look nice |
18:47 | let me just find one | |
18:48 | https://koha-community.org/man[…]l#language-picker | |
18:48 | see the blue box? | |
18:48 | I think that looks really nice | |
18:49 | maybe we can change the color scheme, but even if we can't I think we should do notes like this | |
18:49 | thd | The URI character limit problem can be tripped over when using long and/or many GET strings after the question mark for a bookmarkable context. Use POST requests but then bookmarkable context is more difficult. |
18:49 | caroline | what do you think? |
18:49 | marie-luce | it really does highlight the message |
18:49 | lucyvh | Yes, looks good |
18:50 | caroline | Ok I'll add the command on this page https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]-_Tips_and_Tricks |
18:50 | lucyvh | And standardises the indenting which is good |
18:50 | caroline | And I'll try to find out if there is a different one for "Important" |
18:51 | marie-luce | warning, perhaps? |
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18:52 | caroline | #action caroline will add to the Rst tips and tricks page how to wirte notes |
18:52 | #info going forward use the note command when adding notes to the manual | |
18:52 | ok cool! :D | |
18:53 | anything else? | |
18:53 | wahanui | anything else is, like, necessarily going to be incremental |
18:54 | caroline | #topic Next steps |
18:54 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:54 | caroline | I don't think there are any major developments in 21.05 yet, so continue documenting 20.11 |
18:55 | #info Priorities : continue documenting 20.11 for the time being | |
18:55 | ashimema | You have at least a month ;) |
18:55 | caroline | #info Check Taiga for things to write about :D |
18:55 | ashimema | But also.. hopefully this time around Devs will be documenting as we go.. :) |
18:56 | caroline | I like your optimism ashimema! :D |
18:56 | marie-luce | :) |
18:56 | caroline | #topic Set time of next meeting |
18:56 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 10 December 2020) | |
18:56 | * ashimema | will be trying to for his Devs anyways.. |
18:56 | ashimema | lucyvh, weay be calling on you for help there.. hebe |
18:57 | caroline | 4 weeks from now is Jan 7, sound good? |
18:57 | marie-luce | suits me |
18:58 | caroline | today the meeting was at 18UTC, maybe we can do it earlier |
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18:58 | lucyvh | ashimena +1 |
18:58 | 7th Jan suits me | |
18:59 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 7 January 2021, 15 UTC |
18:59 | #endmeeting | |
18:59 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org | |
18:59 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Dec 10 18:59:47 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
18:59 | Minutes: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-12-10-18.01.html | |
18:59 | Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]0-12-10-18.01.txt | |
18:59 | Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]10-18.01.log.html | |
19:00 | caroline | yay! thanks everyone! :D |
19:00 | lucyvh | Thanks everyone! |
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19:00 | marie-luce | thanks everyone |
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19:01 | caroline | ashimema: I just got a message saying the pipeline has failed :( |
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19:18 | ashimema | I'll take a look shortly |
19:18 | Just eating tea | |
19:22 | Looks like the server ran out of space | |
19:22 | That'll need looking at by rangi :( | |
19:23 | @later tell rangi looks like we ran out of space for the last push, which included translations, for the manual 20.05 branch. | |
19:23 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
19:23 | caroline | thanks ashimema! |
19:24 | Is tea like supper or it's another meal entirely? | |
19:24 | ashimema | Supper, dinner... Evening meal |
19:25 | caroline | ok! I thought it was maybe like a light afternoon meal between lunch and supper |
19:26 | marie-luce | do you mean high tea? |
19:27 | caroline | maybe? |
19:27 | or 'afternoon tea' maybe? | |
19:27 | ashimema | We use various terms interchangeably here |
19:27 | Tea can mean all of the above, haha | |
19:28 | caroline | and also a beverage |
19:28 | ashimema | Strictly I suppose it does really mean, drink and cake.. |
19:28 | marie-luce | a good excuse to have a nice cup of tea with a scone |
19:28 | ashimema | But I meant dinner |
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21:55 | Vero | hi |
21:55 | I don't see the 'OpacHiddenItemsException | |
21:55 | 18.05 | |
22:00 | caroline | ah, I was just about to answer |
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22:02 | caroline | anyway, for logs and future reference, the OpacHiddenItemsExceptions syspref was added in 18.11 |
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22:50 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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