IRC log for #koha, 2020-12-02

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03:35 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
03:35 wahanui Congratulations!
03:35 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1513: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1513/
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04:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D8 build #24: FAILURE in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.05_D8/24/
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04:54 Yippee, build fixed!
04:54 wahanui Congratulations!
04:54 koha-jenkins Project Koha_20.05_D10 build #146: FIXED in 48 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_20.05_D10/146/
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04:56 jbpalacio hi everyone
04:58 anyone here?
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06:38 jbpalacio Hi can anyone help me. I can't seem to search a book using ISBN but can search using the Title
06:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #21: STILL FAILING in 10 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_U16/21/
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07:19 reiveune hello
07:19 wahanui hey, reiveune
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07:33 alex_a Bonjour
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07:45 Joubu tuxayo: https://git.koha-community.org[…]-community/global
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07:51 nlegrand matin !
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08:06 Joubu mtj: seen 19.05_U16 is getting crazy?
08:06 wahanui I haven't seen '19.05_U16', Joubu
08:09 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_U16 build #30: ABORTED in 5 min 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_U16/30/
08:09 Joubu mtj: I disabled it
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08:25 * cait waves
08:25 cait good morning good koha people
08:33 mtj hi #koha, hi cait
08:33 hi Joubu, sorry about jenkins... i dont know why it keeps failing
08:35 ..the git shallow-clone for Koha_19.05_U16 keeps timing-out
08:37 lets leave it disabled :)
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08:50 magnuse \o/
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09:58 tcohen morning
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10:05 Joubu https://www.comedywildlifephot[…]020_finalists.php
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10:25 TimothyAlexis bug 27080 needs discussion
10:25 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27080 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timothy_alexis.vass, Failed QA , Add --statute-barred option to cleanup_database.pl to purge all fees where the item has been returned and the fee is older than the given number of days.
10:25 TimothyAlexis bug 27050 is ready for sign off
10:26 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27050 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, timothy_alexis.vass, Needs Signoff , Allow multiple category_codes in delete_patrons.pl
10:29 tcohen those are really cool. Joubu
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10:36 severine_q bonjour #koha !
11:01 ashimema second days post available now... it was written in a bit of a hurry this morning: https://koha-community.gitlab.[…]-02-data_storage/
11:02 so let me know if you spot any issues.. I missed my editorial step 😉 (thought someone else was writing this mornings one)
11:03 Joubu "lacked any any form"
11:03 "In yesterdays post"
11:03 ashimema I'm in meetings now
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11:07 kidclamp fixed
11:07 ashimema thanks :)
11:08 all a bit rushed today
11:09 kidclamp @later tell ivandz Elasticsearch 6.x should work in 19.11 and forward I believe, for 20.11 I would recommend that
11:09 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
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11:21 tuxayo Hi #koha o/
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12:14 shaffendi hi guys..need help here.. how do i set koha rebuild zebra on 1pm everyday? i guess koha is automaticly rebuild zebra on every night right? but i need to add 1 more @ 1pm
12:14 can anyone help?
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12:33 tuxayo Hi shaffendi :) Is there a reason you need a rebuild every day?
12:34 Having the Zebra indexer running will make the new records indexed immediately if I understand correctly.
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12:54 shaffendi tuxayo really?
12:55 i thought for example if u finish catalog a book today the record will appear at opac tomorrow?
12:55 i mean after cron everynight
12:55 am i correct?
12:59 Joubu you need the koha-indexer daemon running
12:59 then it will index your record after a couple of minutes
13:00 tuxayo shaffendi: if the zebra setup is correct (with the indexer running) it's not needed to wait
13:00 Indeed, just a few minutes
13:00 thanks Joubu I didn't know
13:00 shaffendi could u pls tell me how can i set the koha-indexer running?
13:01 tuxayo I think the right documentatio is this one:
13:01 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ckagesIndexDaemon
13:01 Joubu make sure it's not running already: ps aux | grep koha-indexer
13:02 tuxayo Yes, the doc says it should be running by default. If you installed Koha via Debian the packages.
13:03 shaffendi uthmlib@KOHALIB:~$ ps aux | grep koha-indexer uthmlib+   977  0.0  0.0  18708   196 ?        S    21:02   0:00 daemon --name=uthmlib-koha-indexer --errlog=/var/log/koha/uthmlib/indexer-error.log --stdout=/var/log/koha/uthmlib/indexer.log --output=/var/log/koha/uthmlib/indexer-output.log --pidfiles=/var/run/koha/uthmlib/ --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=uthmlib-koha.uthmlib-koha -- /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -daemon -sleep
13:03 is this correct?
13:03 i mean normal?
13:04 Joubu yes, it's running
13:04 you shouldn't do anything else
13:04 shaffendi ok thanks!!!!!
13:04 Joubu create a new bibliographic record, wait a couple of minute and search for it
13:04 shaffendi ok thanks
13:04 really appreciate it
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13:06 cait actually more seconds than minutes in my experience :)
13:07 since switching to the indexer
13:11 Joubu yes, but better to tell "couple of minutes" to be sure ;)
13:11 indeed it should be a matter of few secondes
13:15 shaffendi ok will do. thanks once again for info
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14:00 oleonard Hi all
14:00 tuxayo hi oleonard
14:00 wahanui hi oleopard
14:05 caroline ashimema, were you able to try an fresh install?
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14:07 ashimema not yet
14:07 tcohen Anyone willing to help with the Koha advent calendar we've started, feel free to /join #koha_advent_20
14:07 ashimema been in meetings all day
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14:33 tuxayo Meeting in half an hour!
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14:43 Joubu Thanks oleonard!
14:44 cait1 ducking into the next meeting now too
15:00 Joubu wahanui qa_team is dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo
15:00 wahanui ...but qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts...
15:00 Joubu no, wahanui qa_team is dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo
15:00 wahanui okay, Joubu.
15:00 Joubu no, wahanui qa_team is cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo
15:00 wahanui okay, Joubu.
15:00 ashimema sorry, got pulled into another meeting
15:00 around now
15:00 Joubu no, wahanui rmaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo
15:00 wahanui okay, Joubu.
15:01 Joubu #startmeeting General IRC meeting 2 December 2020
15:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec  2 15:01:25 2020 UTC.  The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
15:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_2_december_2020'
15:01 Joubu #topic Introductions
15:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:01 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
15:01 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart
15:02 fridolin #info Fridolin Somers, Biblire, France
15:02 tuxayo #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
15:02 fridolin ah AndrewFH i was not sure of your nick, hello
15:02 * AndrewFH waves
15:02 fridolin seen your picture on BW site ;)
15:02 wahanui I haven't seen 'your', fridolin
15:02 Joubu hey we have the whole RMaints team!
15:03 AndrewFH (currently waiting on a librarian to show up to talk about quarantine workflows - sorta semi-present)
15:03 ashimema impressive.. can't remember the last time we had the whole team
15:03 Joubu #topic Announcements
15:03 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:03 Joubu ashimema: the advent calendar maybe?
15:04 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
15:04 * fridolin starting RMaint 20.11 gently
15:04 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]g_2_December_2020
15:04 ashimema #info We have a community advent calendar this year: https://koha-community.gitlab.io/KohaAdvent/
15:04 #link https://koha-community.gitlab.io/KohaAdvent/
15:04 caroline #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro, Montréal, Québec (Canada)
15:05 ashimema #info Target audience is those who want to start creating plugins, using API's etc
15:05 Joubu shouldn't we announce it on the list?
15:05 fridolin +1
15:05 ashimema I have ;)
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15:06 ashimema did you miss it?
15:06 Joubu ho, indeed :)
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15:06 fridolin "Happy Advent" email
15:06 Joubu yup
15:06 fridolin from 01/12
15:06 * fridolin is going to seak what must be set obsolete, 19.05 is in pootle, jenkins ...
15:06 Joubu anything else?
15:06 wahanui i think anything else is necessarily going to be incremental.
15:06 fridolin not sur it is already listed
15:07 I'd like to point Bug 26991
15:07 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26991 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Add action logs to search engine administration
15:07 ashimema can't think of anything
15:07 fridolin very usefull for Elastic
15:07 ashimema other than perhaps your starting to draft a roadmap for this release?
15:07 s/release/cycle
15:07 Joubu it's a general meeting fridolin, keep it for the dev meeting tonight
15:07 #topic Update from the Release Manager
15:07 Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:07 fridolin ah oki sorry
15:07 Joubu 21.05 is out! And Packages are available already.
15:08 And it is, for sure, the best release ever!
15:08 tuxayo team++
15:08 Joubu++
15:08 fridolin ++
15:08 Joubu Yes, before the next one...
15:08 tuxayo mtj++
15:08 Joubu mtj++
15:08 definitelly, he did a great job last cycle
15:08 the ones before as well ;)
15:08 I've sent an email to koha-devel to start building a roadmap for 21.05
15:09 This is an important thing to read!
15:09 #info Read the email "start building a roadmap for 21.05"
15:09 #link https://lists.koha-community.o[…]ember/046157.html
15:09 There is a collaborative pad, feel free to join the existing topics I've listed and to add your own stuffs in it.
15:09 Any questions about that?
15:10 ok so, you certainly noticed the new git server. Gitea is now the web interface, even if gitweb is still there (to not break links).
15:10 Devs will have to adjust their remote URL with: git remote set-url $remote https://git.koha-community.org[…]ommunity/Koha.git
15:10 fridolin yep its super
15:10 Joubu #info git server moved, adjust your remote URL!
15:11 fridolin we can now easy point to source code line using permalink
15:11 ashimema ooh, yes... git server
15:11 Joubu The homepage needs a bit of tweaking, let me know if you have any ideas.
15:11 oleonard Whoa, I had NOT noticed that yet!
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15:12 Joubu then you didn't git pull for week!
15:12 #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
15:12 fridolin ^^
15:12 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:12 tuxayo hehe
15:12 fridolin yo
15:12 Joubu Some bugs have been found already, and some important ones that should be fixed for .01 are listed there: https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate
15:12 oleonard I mean the new web interface Joubu :)
15:12 fridolin i'm still warming up
15:12 going to seak what must be set obsolete, 19.05 is in pootle, jenkins ...
15:13 * ashimema will be getting going on bugs next week.. this week has been a bit challenging
15:13 Joubu we keep the project on jenkins, but we disable them
15:13 project*s*
15:13 fridolin and what Bugzilla status must be done
15:13 seen that on jenkins
15:13 wahanui I haven't seen 'that', fridolin
15:13 fridolin we must alert poeple to start translating 20.11
15:14 thd #info: Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [addressing death of sometime employer]
15:14 Joubu We can keep the 19.05 version on bugzilla, it's helpful to know if some bugs are there
15:14 tuxayo +1
15:14 fridolin yep
15:14 Joubu fridolin: the translation team has been told to translate ~3w ago
15:14 fridolin oki sorry
15:14 henryb Sorry I'm late! joubu: is the roadmap just for backend stuff or new features too e.g. the recalls function (bug 19532)?
15:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, Signed Off , Recalls for Koha
15:15 Joubu fridolin: https://tree.taiga.io/project/[…]anban-status=1383
15:15 this is the list of actions we triggered after a relased is out
15:15 still not everything done
15:15 fridolin oki super
15:15 henryb Oh sorry, I missed the topic
15:15 Joubu henryb: it's basically the big things you are willing to spend time on them during the next 6 months
15:16 fridolin caroline: seen translation job on fr-CA, maybe we should talk how to use it in fr-FR ?
15:16 wahanui I haven't seen 'translation', fridolin
15:16 tcohen #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions
15:16 oleonard You haven't seen much wahanui
15:17 fridolin we may discuss this another time
15:17 henryb #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK
15:17 Joubu henryb: did I answer your question?
15:17 henryb Yes you did. Thanks!
15:17 Joubu something else RMaints?
15:18 #topic KohaCon21
15:18 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon21 (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:18 Joubu * Discuss if changes to process are requires because of COVID (Processes for KohaCons)
15:18 *  Start bidding process
15:19 any suggestions?
15:20 oleonard New Zealand may have been an outlier in that they were able to offer an in-person component... I wonder if that's true for other places that might want to host?
15:20 There could still be value in keeping the geographical rotation if that means that the local host can still hold in-person events.
15:21 thd Does anyone on a COVID free island want to host KohaCon again?
15:21 Joubu oleonard: You forgot that we will get a vaccine in 1 month and in about 3 months we are back to normal
15:21 (...)
15:22 oleonard :|
15:22 tuxayo hopefully, but that might be optimistic
15:22 oleonard That may be true for some countries, I hope!
15:22 thd Joubu: Will supply of vaccine be sufficient for back to normal in three months?
15:22 oleonard Certainly not here :(
15:22 Joubu should we then ask the ML if some people are willing to organise a virtual conf for KohaCon21?
15:23 or simply announce no KohaCon21?
15:23 or postpone to the next meeting (we postponed it 3x already)?
15:24 caroline I talked with my boss and both of us were kinda feeling down that yall couldn't come
15:24 henryb Can we ask for proposals and ask whether they want to do virtual and/or virtual + in person?
15:24 tuxayo +1
15:24 caroline If we didn't lose our chance to have in person later, I could try and see if we can do a virtual one
15:25 thd Presumably, people would want to do an in person conference, but circumstances may prevent that.
15:25 ashimema we can certainly try and drum up some interest on the mailing list.. see if anyone is contemplating hosting
15:25 at the moment I think people just haven't thought about it.
15:26 Joubu can I #action a volunteer?
15:26 caroline I can send an email to the ML
15:26 oleonard Should we require that KohaCon21 have an online component? I wish we could but I worry that it might prevent some from bidding.
15:26 Joubu thanks caroline
15:27 #action caroline send an email to the ML about KohaCon21
15:27 caroline I think online should be mandatory now
15:27 Joubu yes
15:27 caroline even if in person is possible
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15:28 caroline even if it's possible to go in person, not everyone can afford to go
15:28 and it's not like the technology is hard to use
15:28 oleonard Okay yeah I guess if they can't offer online they can just do their own regional conference.
15:28 Joubu and we (the community) can help
15:29 moving on then?
15:29 #topic Koha Cookbook Project
15:29 Topic for #koha is now Koha Cookbook Project (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:29 Joubu #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Koha_cookbook_RFC
15:30 * fridolin likes cooking ;)
15:30 cait1 oh
15:30 sorry, i almist missed the meeting
15:30 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
15:30 Joubu no, it's the most important part
15:30 is it your topic?
15:30 cait1 too many other unimportant meetings
15:31 no it is not - maybe magnuse
15:31 but I could contribute some cake recipes :)
15:31 Joubu the history of the meeting page tells you added it
15:31 fridolin datas may use Markdown format, it great for conversions
15:31 caroline I have a maple syrup dessert I can add too :D
15:31 cait1 ok, then I don't remember! spooky. But I think the original idea was born during KohaCon and magnuse had followed up on it
15:31 Joubu ok, we need a "meeting manager" next cycle...
15:32 cait1 i think what we can do:
15:32 * liliputech_asu missed the meeting, got just in time for food ^^
15:32 cait1 do we think it's a great idea?
15:32 liliputech_asu cait1: it is!
15:32 caroline yass!
15:32 cait1 I think so too :)
15:32 maybe it could be something to tackle after the advent calendar?
15:32 Joubu perfect for December 25th
15:33 cait1 and if we want to do it - which form should it take
15:33 i was more thinking january heh
15:33 * liliputech_asu has prepared a "croziflette" for this evening, yummy! (dish for winter)
15:33 Joubu Do we add it to the 21.05 roadmap?
15:33 (maybe people will read it then)
15:33 cait1 hm good question
15:33 not sure if i'd tie it to release
15:34 or maybe more as a side project?
15:34 caroline Should we name a "Cookbook manager"?
15:34 Joubu it's just a list of workgroup
15:34 people working on the same things at the same time
15:34 cait1 are we mixing up things now?
15:34 caroline I'm willing to be on the team
15:34 oleonard Should we have pre-defined categories like cookbooks do? (appetizers, breakfast, soups, main dish, etc) and get a minimum number of submissions for each? Or should we have it be all desserts because that's all we want to eat.
15:34 cait1 ok, maybe we could agree to have a cookbook meeting?
15:34 i see lots of great ideas here :)
15:35 caroline Cookbook meeting in January?
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15:35 cait1 personally i just have a little too much on my plate (how fitting) to take a leading role rightnow for it
15:35 and then discuss what we want to use
15:35 we could do it with the manual tool for example -a lso gives us easy html and epub
15:35 Joubu so we can elect a leader, someone not around now, magnuse?
15:36 cait1 heh
15:36 i was more thinking caroline or owen
15:36 * oleonard hides
15:36 caroline I do have a lot on my plate too, but this is too fun to pass up
15:37 Joubu I'm adding it to the roadmap, just to gather a list of people who are willing to work/help on it, ok?
15:37 caroline It's like a stress release project
15:38 cait1 yep ok
15:38 for me (roadmap)
15:38 Joubu #action Joubu form a workgroup for the Koha Cookbook Project
15:38 cait1 i will sign up for helping/contributing
15:38 ashimema om, nom
15:38 cait1 but my measurements will be metric! be warned :)
15:38 Joubu everything will be metric, ofc
15:38 what else?
15:38 caroline we can have both :)
15:38 cookbooks here always have both
15:39 oleonard METRIC??? (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━━┻
15:39 ;)
15:39 caroline lol!
15:39 oleonard ┬─Metric─┬ノ(ಠ_ಠノ)
15:39 * cait1 whispers to Joubu careful...
15:39 tuxayo > we can have both
15:39 IIRK, something crashes on Mars due to that
15:39 *crashed
15:39 Joubu I think we can provide easily conversion ;)
15:39 cait1 caroline: i think in january i might be able to share the load if you want (probably)
15:40 and maybe we can get magnus back on it too
15:40 thd recipe sign off requires inclusion of at least metric ;)
15:40 cait1 Cooking guildeline :)
15:41 ok, fun topic, but maybe we should move on
15:41 heh
15:41 Joubu I can provide a beer recipe, does it work?
15:41 fridolin also inclusing of a bootle of bier for the chef
15:41 cait1 caroline: would you be ok with remembering about a meeting in january?
15:41 caroline Can we say like jan 14?
15:41 cait1 ok for me
15:41 caroline Ok I'll set a date and send an email to the ML
15:41 cait1 thank you :)
15:41 Joubu ok, moving on
15:41 cait1 caroline++
15:41 Joubu #topic Actions from last meeting
15:41 Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:42 Joubu #topic tuxayo: update release maintenance wiki page: when something is not been being backported the status should be switched to "RESOLVED - FIXED" instead of "pushed to $RELEASE"
15:42 Topic for #koha is now tuxayo: update release maintenance wiki page: when something is not been being backported the status should be switched to "RESOLVED - FIXED" instead of "pushed to $RELEASE" (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:42 Joubu it's done!
15:42 tuxayo next!
15:42 Joubu tuxayo: did you send an email to the RMaints?
15:42 tuxayo yes
15:43 Joubu sorry, I am forgetting things apparently
15:43 next action is done as well
15:43 #topic cait to add KohaCon21 as topic to next meeting's agenda
15:43 Topic for #koha is now cait to add KohaCon21 as topic to next meeting's agenda (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:43 Joubu done then
15:44 anything else you would like to add before the end of the meeting?
15:44 #topic Set time of next meeting
15:44 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
15:44 Joubu in 5w
15:44 On Jan 6th
15:44 to prevent next colision with dev meetings
15:45 #info Next meeting: 6 January 2021, 20 UTC
15:45 no objections?
15:45 #endmeeting
15:45 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org
15:45 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec  2 15:45:36 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:45 Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-12-02-15.01.html
15:45 Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]0-12-02-15.01.txt
15:45 Log:            https://meetings.koha-communit[…]02-15.01.log.html
15:45 ashimema perfec
15:45 Joubu++
15:45 oleonard Thanks Joubu!
15:45 Joubu thx you all
15:45 caroline Joubu++
15:48 cait1 reading back now
15:48 :)
15:49 tuxayo Joubu++
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16:18 fridolin thanks all
16:18 found a little bug 27135
16:18 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=27135 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Viewing local cover images at item level shows a link to upload image at record level
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16:32 * tuxayo just realizes that the Koha cookbook is about food, not a metaphor about how to do things in Koha :o
16:33 caroline lol!
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17:07 reiveune bye
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17:38 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
17:38 wahanui Congratulations!
17:38 koha-jenkins Project Koha_19.05_D9 build #342: FIXED in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D9/342/
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17:52 cait1 hm where have we hidden the code for koha sandboxes? :)
17:52 looking for that sample database
17:52 can't find it on new git or gitlab?
17:53 i think i found it in koha-community/global
17:53 maybe could be split out :)
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18:03 ashimema it's not moved yet
18:04 it's under bywater github (and forked with ptfs-e too)
18:04 there is a github issue to migrate it.. but we've not got there yet
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18:51 cait1 all good, was mostly looking for the sample data
18:58 caroline Am I missing anything here? I think I covered everything, but just making sure https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon21_Proposals
18:58 I'm also unsure what to write for the period
18:58 cait1 does the kohacon things page help maybe?
18:59 https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]sses_for_KohaCons
18:59 caroline I added that at the top
18:59 Maybe I could write the elligible continents
19:00 cait1 i believe we left the timing up ot theorganizers
19:00 as seasons/good times are different on different continents
19:00 or whatperiod did youmean?
19:01 caroline when the porposal ends and when we start voting (if there is a vote)
19:01 cait1 we are quite late this year with this
19:01 and we still need to vote...
19:01 probably can#t give it that long
19:01 caroline right
19:01 cait1 mid january?
19:02 probably unlikely to have it all decided this year still, but not sure
19:02 Joubu: ashimema: tcohen?
19:02 * cait1 is dealing with migration data again
19:02 cait1 orders that are received, paid and cancelled at the same time :(
19:02 caroline ugh... I feel for you
19:02 cait1 i start to really mistrust the systemwe are mgrating from
19:02 ashimema Hi
19:02 wahanui bidet, ashimema
19:04 caroline ashimema: what do you think we give organizations until mid january to propose themselves as hosts for Kohacon 21?
19:04 we are quite late
19:04 ashimema So Mrs reasonable to me..
19:05 Sounds.. even
19:05 Grr.. silly phone
19:05 rangi but we need to make it a requirement they have to do a hybrid one
19:05 i reckon
19:05 ashimema We are indeed very late this year... Been a trying year for all
19:05 caroline then there is the voting period... ugh
19:05 ashimema I almost wonder if we might end up without any submissions this time.. could be interesting
19:06 caroline Yes I wrote it here rangi https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]haCon21_Proposals
19:06 rangi cool thanks caroline
19:06 ashimema Normally I get a feel for a few people waiting in the wings.. I've not got that at all those year... But maybe I've just taken my eye of the ball
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19:06 tuxayo > end up without any submissions
19:06 Pretty sure there will be at least virtual proposals
19:07 caroline I know Mengu and I were interested, but that was pre-pandemic...
19:08 cait1 yeh.... and we wanted all to go and visit you!
19:08 maybe if we get hybrid ones we should not count for that continent or so
19:08 not sure
19:08 um online only
19:08 long day
19:10 caroline ok so for hybrid format, elligible conteinents are africa, americas (N and S), asia... right?
19:10 if it's online only, anyone can bid
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19:13 tuxayo I got a question about ClaimReturnedLostValue, is it's disabled, should we say "Claim returned is disabled" or "Return claims are disabled" in the UI? (bug 25583)
19:13 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25583 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , When ClaimReturnedLostValue is not set, the claim returned tab doesn't appear
19:13 tuxayo *if it's disabled
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19:37 liliputech_asu hi koha
19:37 (evening more precisely)
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20:08 tuxayo hi, meeting time!
20:08 anyone to be the chair?
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20:10 tuxayo I can try if there is someone else knowing the commands in case I don't find them.
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20:11 liliputech_asu hi tuxayo, don't know the commands unfortunately
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20:13 tuxayo Ok I think I have them all from the logs of a previous meeting.
20:14 caroline https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Chairing_meetings
20:15 tuxayo We might be having an attendance issue to having already the general meeting today ^^
20:15 caroline++
20:15 So shall I go?
20:16 caroline build it and they will come
20:16 tuxayo ok!
20:16 #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020
20:16 huginn Meeting started Wed Dec  2 20:16:47 2020 UTC.  The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
20:16 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:16 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_2_december_2020'
20:17 tuxayo #topic Introductions
20:17 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:17 tuxayo #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France
20:17 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA
20:17 It worked. You built it and I came.
20:18 liliputech_asu #info liliputech/Arthur Suzuki, BibLibre, France
20:18 tuxayo he he
20:18 liliputech_asu :)
20:18 oleonard Any NZers here? rangi alexbuckley ?
20:19 tuxayo #topic Announcements
20:19 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:19 tuxayo Does anyone have something?
20:21 alexbuckley #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ
20:21 liliputech_asu hi, during the last camp, christophe croullebois from biblibre has worked on a plugin to emulate an automaton
20:21 https://github.com/biblibre/ko[…]p-client-emulator
20:21 tuxayo #info during the last camp, christophe croullebois from biblibre has worked on a plugin to emulate an automaton
20:21 #link https://github.com/biblibre/ko[…]p-client-emulator
20:22 This is great!
20:22 oleonard Neat!
20:22 liliputech_asu quite still a work in progress, but we managed to get a working SIP request builder frontend within koha, it uses sip-cli-emulator in the background
20:23 there is another one
20:23 tuxayo amoyano around? (action in the agenda)
20:24 liliputech_asu claire hernandez has worked on a plugin to retrieve and display informations from wikidata about a work within koha
20:24 https://github.com/biblibre/ko[…]lugin-linked-data
20:24 tuxayo #info claire hernandez has worked on a plugin to retrieve and display informations from wikidata about a work within koha
20:25 #link https://github.com/biblibre/ko[…]lugin-linked-data
20:25 more plugins yay :D
20:25 #topic Update from the Release manager (21.05)
20:25 Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (21.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:26 tuxayo #info 21.05 roadmap, see email on koha-devel - https://lists.koha-community.o[…]ember/046157.html
20:26 #info There is a collaborative pad, feel free to join the existing topics I've listed and to add your own stuffs in it.
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20:27 tuxayo Basically, put there you christmas lists ^^
20:27 liliputech_asu oh, then I would love to raise interest on bz 17314
20:27 tuxayo #info git.koha-community.org has been migrated
20:27 oleonard bug 17314
20:27 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17314 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion
20:28 tuxayo ok, I note that liliputech_asu
20:28 #info Devs will have to adjust their remote URL with: git remote set-url $remote
20:28 liliputech_asu (although i still have some work on that one to get it to apply on master)
20:28 tuxayo #info git remote set-url https://git.koha-community.org[…]ommunity/Koha.git
20:29 #info 20.11: Some bugs have been found already, and some important ones that should be fixed for .01 are listed there: https://frama.link/koha_bz_rel_21_05_candidate
20:29 liliputech_asu thx for the ready-made cmd :)
20:29 tuxayo #info Enforcement of the release notes needed before push to help the documentation team
20:29 #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers
20:29 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:29 tuxayo rmaint?
20:29 wahanui i heard rmaint was definitely a great job to find all kinds of things to fix and clarify in translations, system requirements, CI among others.
20:30 tuxayo rmaints?
20:30 wahanui rmaints is fridolin, AndrewFH and tuxayo
20:30 tuxayo #info oldoldstable (19.11): handover done, ready to begin backporting :)
20:32 #topic Updates from the QA team
20:32 Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:32 tuxayo qa_team?
20:32 wahanui qa_team is probably cait, dcook, amoyano, ashimema, marcelr, kohaputti, jajm, tcohen, josef_moravec, kidclamp, khall and tuxayo
20:33 tcohen hi, sorry I cannot attend!
20:33 tuxayo no worries tcohen
20:33 MarkHofstetter #help how should  I set a calculated value for a controlfield without any user intervention within a framework?
20:34 oleonard MarkHofstetter we are in the middle of a meeting at the moment
20:34 tuxayo MarkHofstetter: The meeting will be over after a moment, I'll ping you so you could reask your question
20:34 MarkHofstetter oh sorry!
20:34 cait caroline++
20:34 almost missing the second meeting today!
20:35 oleonard Stick around if you can and ask again a little later MarkHofstetter
20:35 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
20:35 tuxayo cait: you came at the right moment ^^
20:35 lukeG1 #info Lucas Gass, ByWater Solutions
20:36 cait i see
20:36 not so much to report from QA but hte things already said
20:36 caroline MarkHofstetter: start with this perhaps? https://koha-community.org/man[…]t-a-marc-subfield
20:36 cait focus will be on the bugs found in the stable release for now
20:36 and to get everyone new settled in :)
20:37 tuxayo On my side, learning QA right now, quite hard to find bugs which I can QA but doing the analysis is a good way to learn
20:37 cait you can always comment that you already tested and leave it if you are unsure
20:37 liliputech_asu tuxayo++
20:37 cait that way the work is not lost
20:38 sign it too
20:38 I believe we might have to report more next meeting
20:38 tuxayo cait: thanks, I'll try that when I'll soon finish to check the queue of bugs needing QA
20:39 ^^
20:39 Anything else about QA?
20:39 cait not from me
20:39 tuxayo #topic Actions from last meeting
20:39 Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:39 tuxayo amoyano around?
20:40 davidnind not here
20:40 #action davidnind Find and update relevant places to record Perl version required, including release notes, manual and wiki (one source of the truth) (still working on this - feel free to reallocate)
20:40 #action amoyano advertise 15522 and ask the list for feedback [after 20.11 is released], setup a sandbox, etc.
20:40 #topic  General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...)
20:40 Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:41 tuxayo #info liliputech_asu « would love to raise interest on bz 17314»
20:41 #info Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion
20:42 anything else to add liliputech_asu ?
20:42 Any topic for someone else?
20:42 cait bug 17314
20:42 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17314 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Patch doesn't apply , Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion
20:42 cait looks like it currnetly needs a rebase - is there open discussion or an issue with it?
20:43 liliputech_asu cait: need a bit of work on my side, that one got lost in limbo for too long
20:43 but have 3 other patch that needs a signoff
20:44 ashimema oop
20:44 liliputech_asu bug 20985
20:44 ashimema hi
20:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20985 normal, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Needs Signoff , CanBookBeReserved and CanItemBeReserved should check 'On shelf holds allowed' policy
20:44 liliputech_asu bug 15261
20:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=15261 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, arthur.suzuki, Needs Signoff , Verify if checkout or hold request periods overlap with existing holds
20:44 liliputech_asu and bug 23011
20:44 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23011 enhancement, P4, ---, arthur.suzuki, Needs Signoff , AuthenticatePatron could alert if password is not safe
20:45 liliputech_asu hi ashimema :)
20:45 tuxayo #info other patches highlighted by liliputech_asu:
20:45 #info 20985 (CanBookBeReserved and CanItemBeReserved should check 'On shelf holds allowed' policy)
20:45 #info 15261 (Verify if checkout or hold request periods overlap with existing holds)
20:46 #info 23011 (AuthenticatePatron could alert if password is not safe)
20:46 #topic Set time of next meeting
20:46 Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 2 December 2020)
20:47 tuxayo That would be the 16th, but I don't know the logic about the time
20:48 cait 2 weeks time is right
20:48 for time I usually struggle a bit too
20:48 tuxayo I would guess if we rotate that it would be 15UTC
20:48 ashimema today was 'the late one' so next time should be mid afternoon europe time
20:48 perfect
20:48 sorry I was lacking today.. too many things on the go :(
20:49 tuxayo #info Next meeting: 16 December 2020, 15 UTC
20:49 ashimema we have a polished KohaAdvent for tomorrow now though :)
20:49 liliputech_asu :)
20:49 tuxayo ashimema++
20:49 #endmeeting
20:49 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software https://koha-community.org
20:49 huginn Meeting ended Wed Dec  2 20:49:27 2020 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
20:49 Minutes:        https://meetings.koha-communit[…]-12-02-20.16.html
20:49 Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]0-12-02-20.16.txt
20:49 Log:            https://meetings.koha-communit[…]02-20.16.log.html
20:49 cait tuxayo++
20:49 liliputech_asu tuxayo++
20:49 ashimema nice one peeps
20:50 time for me to clock off again
20:50 have a great one
20:50 https://koha-community.gitlab.io/KohaAdvent/
20:50 cait you too :)
20:50 ashimema shameless plug ;)
20:50 oleonard tuxayo++
20:50 tuxayo Thanks for attending and for the help ^^
20:51 caroline tuxayo:
20:51 tuxayo++
20:51 liliputech_asu almost finished rebase on bz 17314 :)
20:51 tuxayo MarkHofstetter: what's up? :)
20:52 Did you find a solution to your problem?
20:53 liliputech_asu can anyone try to apply bug 17314 ? rebase done :)
20:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17314 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Routes to create, list and delete a purchase suggestion
20:53 caroline MarkHofstetter: I was wondering what kind of calculated information? In the manual, only date and user are mentioned and I think that's all there is
20:55 cait i guess we need more information :)
21:01 MarkHofstetter ah thx and sorry again, things like a serial from database for internal numbering
21:02 tuxayo MarkHofstetter: no worries, you just came at a moment that required a little wait :)
21:03 MarkHofstetter eg controlnumber 001, I see the value_builder plugins but all those need/allow user intervention
21:04 caroline afaik I don't think you can save informatino without having the user at least click in the field
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21:04 caroline but I may be wrong
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21:05 MarkHofstetter you mentioned the user and date, where does thos happen?
21:06 caroline in the default value
21:06 cait may be more apt to answer since she's the one who wrote that part ;)
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21:07 cait sec reading back
21:07 caroline about the patterns for default values in the MARC framework
21:07 like YYYY and USER
21:08 cait i think a way to autopopulate the 001 reliably with no user intervention woudl be very welcomed
21:08 caroline do these need the user to click in the field?
21:08 cait i had a lot of questions about that from libraries doing local ctaloguing
21:08 caroline same here
21:08 cait caroline: no, but i think they might only get populated on saving
21:08 MarkHofstetter populated on saving would be ok
21:08 cait which might be ok in this case, but they are all static values, no sequential numbering
21:09 we are using a variation of inventorynumberAV.pl in some libraries
21:09 it's similar to the newer contolnumber one i tihnk
21:10 it gets the next number from an authorised value based counter
21:10 but it's always a click
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21:11 MarkHofstetter ok a on-titel-save plugin/plugabilty would be appriciated
21:12 cait I'd say so
21:12 especially if it allowed for sequential numbering :)
21:12 MarkHofstetter yes that would be the point for us as well
21:12 cait i htink ther are patches around somewhere to allow use of marc mod templates on saving
21:13 but that doesn't allow scripts like that
21:14 MarkHofstetter I'll have a look/thought into it, and I'll file a bug?
21:14 cait if you look for controlnumber or 001 you already might find some related
21:14 might be worth linking to them at least to get some additional attention
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21:15 cait bug 23832
21:15 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23832 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , 001 control number auto complet or copy from 999c
21:16 cait bug 9921
21:16 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo.lopez, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber
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21:18 cait i am pretty sure there are others i looked at previously, but not able to spot them right now
21:21 MarkHofstetter thx for the advice and the pointers, I'll discuss it with my clients, shall I open a new one to collect all the references
21:23 cait yep sure
21:24 MarkHofstetter but tomorow :-) - cu
21:32 cait caroline: great job on the koha bidding email and page :)
21:32 caroline thanks :)
21:33 cait still catching up with events, mails and lgos from today
21:33 sorry i pushed you on the cookbook too!
21:33 caroline it's ok! it's a fun project
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22:19 dcook tuxayo: I thought it was a technical cookbook and not a food cookbook too
22:20 oleonard Oh it's definitely technical. I heard all the measurements will be METRIC!
22:20 cait hehe
22:21 traumatized?
22:21 tuxayo lol, I though the metric vs imperial thing was a joke
22:23 cait are thos cups and spoon thing even imperial?
22:23 tuxayo (Due to making no sense on technical Koha cookbook)
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22:24 tuxayo «United States tablespoon is approximately 14.8 mL (0.50 US fl oz), a United Kingdom and Canadian tablespoon is exactly 15 mL (0.51 US fl oz),[2] and an Australian tablespoon is 20 mL (0.68 US fl oz).»
22:25 caroline lol! just to make it complicated!
22:25 cait I tihnk german ones around 20 ml too
22:25 caroline but it's not like you have to be precise to the ml
22:28 But it's still interesting, I think it should go into the notes at the end of the book :)
22:30 dcook lol
22:30 * dcook is a fan of metric
22:31 dcook Although I still have trouble sometimes wrapping my head around ovens
22:31 caroline: What temperature measurements are normal in Quebec when cooking?
22:31 cait maybe a dedication to all the americans who have been traumatized in writing the book? :)
22:31 caroline Farenheit
22:31 dcook When I was a kid in the west, I remember 350-450F was the norm
22:31 Now I'm all about the 180-200C heh
22:31 caroline haha!
22:32 dcook Although I recall the oven had both measures on it
22:32 My parents latest one is digital but maybe that one is configurable..
22:32 caroline Like a good canadian, I measure temperature outside in Celsius, Oven and Pool in Farenheit
22:32 dcook hehehe
22:32 <3
22:32 Height in feet/inches and human weight in pounds
22:32 But length in metres
22:32 I love Canada
22:32 caroline long distances in km, small distances in inches
22:33 dcook Yeah that's true
22:33 cait werid mix
22:33 dcook Very weird mix
22:33 caroline I don't think you can understand unless ytou're born in it
22:33 dcook So weird that you can only understand it if you've lived it I think
22:33 hehe
22:33 It's stuff like that which will always make me feel Canadian
22:33 No matter how long I'm Australian too
22:33 Although I love Aussie slang
22:33 Arvo > afternoon
22:34 No one has time for all those syllables..
22:34 caroline https://www.reddit.com/r/Hello[…]rement_flowchart/
22:35 oleonard Wow
22:36 dcook I love it
22:36 Australia is much more rigid about metric which is also kind of nice >_>
22:36 caroline It looks complicated, but it's implicit
22:36 dcook But then we drive on the wrong side of the road :|
22:36 caroline: Yeah it's just second nature
22:37 Actually, that's also a flowchart for a fairly young person
22:37 When I was growing up, my father preferred using F for outdoor temperatures too
22:37 Used to drive me crazy
22:37 caroline yes like our age
22:37 I think Canada switched to metrics in the 70s?
22:37 dcook And technically in the country we sometimes still use miles for long distances..
22:37 caroline so ppl who went to school before then prefer imperial
22:37 dcook caroline: I'm not sure but that sounds right
22:38 In the prairies, a lot of land is segmented by miles, so it just makes more sense to talk miles sometimes
22:38 * dcook notices the Canadians have dominated the chat >_>
22:38 caroline represent!
22:38 dcook This is how Canada conquers the world. Through polite discussion. hehe.
22:39 caroline XD
22:39 oleonard Ya big bullies
22:39 dcook ^_^
22:39 Oh right..
22:39 I kind of hope that Kohacon doesn't go to Canada until I can travel there... *selfish*
22:39 I haven't been home in... 2 years
22:39 caroline We're not thinking of doing it until yall can come
22:39 dcook <3
22:40 I haven't been to Montreal since... 2007 O_O
22:40 Want to visit some mates in Toronto..
22:40 Maybe my friend will delay her wedding in Ottawa... ehh
22:40 caroline According to Wikipedia "Metrication in Canada began in 1970 and ceased in 1985."
22:41 dcook Oh have to pop into a meeting for a minute
22:42 caroline I'll go eat
22:42 oleonard I didn't realize it had ceased... I think when I visited Canada it was probably around 1985!
22:43 caroline It's just the transition period
22:43 oleonard Oh, not aborted like we did it?
22:51 dcook Hmm query problems when using () in them except when double quoted. This sounds familiar..
23:05 Ah cool "koha-zebra --stop" doesn't seem to work. I forgot about that.
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23:33 dcook Boy do I hate buildQuery...
23:41 I guess Zebra/YAZ documentation is pretty terrible too..

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