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| 00:53 | hughrun | Hi is anyone around today? |
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| 06:49 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 06:52 | * dcook | waves |
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| 07:05 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:10 | fridolin | good moring you all |
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| 07:59 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 10:01 | vfernandes | hi #koha |
| 10:02 | it's possible to send all Koha emails with one CC email? | |
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| 10:44 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 10:56 | magnuse | kia ora oleonard |
| 11:12 | kohaputti | vfernandes, check if NoticeBcc syspref is good enough for your purpose, otherwise you can configure your mail server to add the cc. |
| 11:25 | vfernandes | that's it... :) thanks kohaputti |
| 11:30 | ashimema[m] | mornin' #koha |
| 11:30 | jajm around? | |
| 11:30 | jajm | ashimema[m], yes |
| 11:31 | ashimema[m] | any chance you could push a copy of your local bug 24975 branch? |
| 11:31 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Refactor database translations |
| 11:31 | ashimema[m] | I want to get a feeling for how it all fits together without the pain of trying to rebase it (or inflicting a rebase on you) |
| 11:31 | * ashimema[m] | didn't get to it on Friday |
| 11:31 | ashimema[m] | any public repo would be good |
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| 11:33 | TimothyAlexis | Where should we enter meta name="description" ? |
| 11:34 | jajm | ashimema[m], sure : https://gitlab.com/jajm/Koha/-/tree/bug/24975 |
| 11:34 | ashimema[m] | ta, much apreciated |
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| 11:38 | oleonard | TimothyAlexis can you explain more? |
| 11:38 | TimothyAlexis | meta description tag for search engines |
| 11:39 | <head><meta name="description" content="This description will show in search engine results." /></head> | |
| 11:40 | I added it to doc-head-close.inc, but I'm thinking it should be available in the System preferences. | |
| 11:41 | oleonard | That seems like a reasonable idea |
| 11:51 | TimothyAlexis | Should it be under Administration or OPAC? |
| 12:02 | oleonard | OPAC if it only affects the OPAC |
| 12:06 | TimothyAlexis | Thank you Owen |
| 12:07 | ashimema[m] | oleonard++ |
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| 12:09 | TimothyAlexis | When creating a patch, how is a new system preference added into the database? |
| 12:10 | oleonard | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ystem_Preferences |
| 12:10 | and https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Database_updates | |
| 12:14 | ashimema[m] | or as a self contained patch example: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]attachment=109552 |
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| 12:41 | TimothyAlexis | Thank you oleonard and ashimema[m] |
| 12:42 | I'll look at it again tomorrow. | |
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| 12:48 | tcohen | morning |
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| 12:50 | nlegrand | Salut à tous et à toutes ! |
| 12:55 | ashimema[m] | Hmm, the more I think about it the more inclined to agree with you I am regarding using the "description" as the key for these translations.. I feel like if people want to refine the description for a particular interface or framework or whatever they should probably start by refining it in the primary language first and then work through translations accordingly |
| 12:56 | Oops.. forgot to actually put jajm in the above comment | |
| 12:59 | nlegrand | What is today's standard to install ES? Is it written some |
| 12:59 | where? | |
| 12:59 | ashimema[m] | the only case where I could see this becoming an issue.. and one wanting multiple translated versions of the same key text would be if we wanted to eventually support plural forms and things at a DB level of translations? |
| 12:59 | nlegrand | I mean for a production instance. |
| 13:03 | tcohen | nlegrand we are using the koha/elasticsearch-icu docker image |
| 13:03 | he | |
| 13:03 | ashimema[m] | i.e. can you see a case where we might need db_tn, or db_tx or even db_tnx for example? |
| 13:03 | jajm ^ | |
| 13:05 | if so.. I think we should probably stick to a single db_t method, but get it to expect to be optionally passed extra levels of detail to allow a more refined selection of the translated text as and when required.. does that make sense? | |
| 13:13 | kohaputti | nlegrand, you could install the elasticsearch package for your distro and then analysis-icu plugin, then after that you need to define the elasticsearch server ip, port and some custom mappings and search index settings to be used in koha-conf.xml, otherwise your logs will be full of deprecation warnings. Then after it is all set change the syspref SearchEngine to ES and use koha-elasticsearch command line tool to rebuild the index. |
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| 13:15 | kohaputti | nlegrand, you could grep the koha code for elasticsearch configs in koha-conf.xml like this: rgrep elasticsearch | grep config |
| 13:15 | and then look what are the default files used for mappings, index, etc. and modify those to fit your needs | |
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| 13:16 | kohaputti | some wiki instructions would be good to have for this at some point I guess :D |
| 13:17 | magnuse | document all the things! |
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| 13:38 | nlegrand | tcohen, kohaputti thanks! I was more looking for documentation. I think this is what I was looking for: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ian#Elasticsearch |
| 14:02 | jajm | ashimema[m], what kind of extra data db_t should expect ? do you have a concrete example in mind ? |
| 14:02 | ashimema[m] | not at the moment.. hence the question |
| 14:03 | can we imagine any of our existing things that we want to add db level translation to (itemtypes, authorized values, frameworks perhaps) needing plural forms or masculine/feminine forms etc? | |
| 14:03 | i.e can we imagine ever needing/wanting to pass in a 'count' to get a plural from of an authorized value description? | |
| 14:04 | I can't envisage it for itemtypes (though I might be wrong.. I'm no linguist) | |
| 14:04 | and we english tend to cheat allot and just use one word to mean lots of things.. | |
| 14:05 | for Joubu's case of having two AV's with matching descriptions.. I see that as a real odd case which we should probably just ignore/prevent double translations for such cases) | |
| 14:05 | jajm | ashimema[m], i can imagine it for itemtype, like a list of items grouped by itemtype: 1 book, 2 DVDs, ... but i don't know if it will be that useful |
| 14:07 | ashimema[m] | generally I'm leaning more towards your keying on the text rather than a code.. I'm struggling to see reasoning behind Joubu's view that it needs to be keyed on codes.. (other than perhaps for plural type handling.. which I think we can certainly handle with some extra logic later on if needed |
| 14:08 | my comment on the bug isn't great.. I was coming at it from trying to keep joubu happy by allowing optionally keying on code instead of description.. but although I think I can make it work.. it's going to end up messy and I feel.. pointless complexity | |
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| 14:13 | ashimema[m] | as a side note.. I might have rebased wrong but the itemtypes admin page appears to be broken with your patchset as it stands |
| 14:14 | I can't remember how it should look with your patchset.. but currently it calls a non-existant translated_descriptions method from the template | |
| 14:16 | jajm | ashimema[m], the patches should remove all calls to translated_description, but some might have been added since the last rebase |
| 14:17 | ashimema[m] | aha.. I see |
| 14:17 | I'll drop them in my local branch | |
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| 14:46 | lukeG | Good morning |
| 14:47 | tcohen | hi lukeG ! |
| 14:47 | bug 26193 | |
| 14:47 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26193 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, lucas, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Allow for a minimum payment threshold when using PayPal OPAC Payments |
| 14:47 | tcohen | you need to install the paypal plugin to your partner |
| 14:48 | lukeG | i see |
| 14:48 | cait | tcohen: is this something we should make sure goes into release notes? deprecating/removing the old paypal code? |
| 14:48 | lukeG | thanks tcohen! |
| 14:48 | cait | i was wondering abut the relationship since i remembered your work ont he plugin |
| 14:48 | tcohen | cait I'm sure that was the case |
| 14:49 | cait | hm time to phase out the Koha side then? |
| 14:49 | I don't remember really, just a fan of clean-up | |
| 14:49 | tcohen | I'm trying to find it |
| 14:49 | and cannot | |
| 14:52 | you are right | |
| 14:52 | this hasn't been advertised | |
| 14:54 | cait | do the work and talk about it ;) |
| 14:54 | what is the next step? adding a deprecation warning ot the prefs etc? | |
| 14:55 | tcohen | yeah, I think amoyano added a button to import the 'old' sysprefs into the plugin config |
| 14:55 | and we used Koha's strings for the translation part | |
| 15:05 | cait | yes, I had seen it looked quite completed |
| 15:05 | do we need a meeting or just a bug? | |
| 15:08 | tcohen: bug 23215 | |
| 15:08 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Remove PayPal logic from Koha |
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| 16:38 | oleonard | I wonder if there's any reason why moredetail.pl couldn't accept just an itemnumber. |
| 16:40 | I assume there's a way to get a biblionumber from an itemnumber... | |
| 17:24 | cait | oleonard: dating back to biblioitems or so? |
| 17:24 | bye all :) | |
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| 17:31 | tcohen | oleonard can you help me with bug 26327? It seems cait doesn't like my design capabilities |
| 17:31 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26327 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , Include transacting library in fines |
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| 17:56 | oleonard | I'll take a look tcohen |
| 17:56 | tcohen | thanks!! |
| 18:01 | oleonard | tcohen if you're referring to cait's last comment on the bug, you're just missing a correction to the colspan of the table footer in boraccount.tt |
| 18:02 | you corrected it in pay.tt but not boraccount.tt. | |
| 18:02 | tcohen | ah! |
| 18:02 | thanks | |
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| 18:07 | * oleonard | waves to downstairs oleonard |
| 18:29 | oleonard | Bug 26458 |
| 18:29 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Get item details using only itemnumber |
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| 19:12 | oleonard | ^ that bug will facilitate parts of this feature: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view[…]?p=16001106769882 |
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| 19:22 | oleonard | Bug 5697 |
| 19:22 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Automatic linking in guided reports |
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| 19:58 | cait | oleonard++ glad you understand my comments :) |
| 20:18 | tuxayo | lukeGaround? |
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| 20:32 | cait | hm tcohen - do you have a moment? |
| 20:33 | tcohen | Was about close the lid |
| 20:33 | whatsup? | |
| 20:33 | cait | heh it's ok |
| 20:33 | i will bug someone else | |
| 20:33 | tcohen | ok, I can take a look tomorrow |
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| 20:48 | lukeG | tuxayo: i am around now :) |
| 20:50 | tuxayo | lukeG it seems you backported Bug 26253 according to the branch but not to the ticket. Any issue/test failed? |
| 20:50 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=26253 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , duplicated mana_config in etc/koha-conf.xml |
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| 20:53 | lukeG | tuxayo: no issues, it looks like I just failed to update the bug ticket, will do that now |
| 20:53 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1b30d81c236d10020 | |
| 20:56 | tuxayo | lukeG: I'm catching up bugzilla notifications and just found out we should have backported this for a while :o |
| 20:57 | 176 emails to go | |
| 20:57 | aleisha | thanks lukeG - normally if i see you've missed updating the bug ticket i just do it for you |
| 20:57 | but wasn't sure about that one | |
| 20:59 | lukeG | tuxayo, aleisha: sorry about that one. I think that was in the midst of last months security release and I just missed that one :( |
| 21:00 | aleisha | it's okay! easy to miss a step in the process when there are so many, especially that release :) |
| 21:01 | tuxayo | lukeG: it's okay, it's hard to be upstream. For next cycle I'm worried that I wouldn't be ready to take something else than oldoldstable. |
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| 22:24 | caroline | How do you translate <<items.fine>> in TT in notices? |
| 22:25 | * ashimema[m] | thinks the rmaints are doing great :) |
| 22:25 | caroline | since it's not an actual db column, I'm having a hard time with it |
| 22:25 | cait | what do you mean by translate |
| 22:25 | ? | |
| 22:25 | "current fine for the item"? | |
| 22:26 | maybe | |
| 22:26 | caroline | make it in Template toolkit instead of << >> |
| 22:26 | cait | oh |
| 22:26 | not sure if you can yet | |
| 22:26 | ashimema[m] if awake would maybe know | |
| 22:26 | * ashimema[m] | is half asleep |
| 22:27 | ashimema[m] | what notice? |
| 22:27 | wahanui | notice is, like, ACQORDER |
| 22:27 | caroline | ODUE |
| 22:30 | * ashimema[m] | is digging |
| 22:31 | ashimema[m] | I think you're going to have to dig a bit to get there |
| 22:32 | something along the lines of [% item.checkout... %] | |
| 22:32 | OK.. it's not possible.. yet | |
| 22:32 | we need more object relations for you to get there.. | |
| 22:32 | caroline | blegh... and it's not possible to have hungry alligators in a FOREACH loop? |
| 22:32 | ashimema[m] | what you would end up with (if the methods existed down the whole chain) would be |
| 22:33 | [% item.checkout.fine.amountoutstanding | $Price %] | |
| 22:34 | which would mean.. for the ITEM give me the most recent CHECKOUT.. find the FINE attached to that checkout and finally give me the AMOUNTOUTSTANDING field (and then pass it through the $Price filter to make it look nice) | |
| 22:34 | does that make sense? | |
| 22:35 | they're all sensible enough relations to want.. if you add a bug describing it I can have a go at adding the relations for you.. should be a fairly trivial set of patches when you know how | |
| 22:35 | caroline | i guess... I still don't understand TT, so it's hard for me to say... I do a lot of trial and error and copying from the wiki |
| 22:36 | * ashimema[m] | is happy to walk someone else through it too.. but not tonight.. I'm fixing a translations thing whilst I can't sleep |
| 22:36 | ashimema[m] | it's not really TT as much as it's Koha::Objects ;) |
| 22:36 | in this case | |
| 22:36 | basically.. once you open up using TT you have access to all the gory methods available to you from the Koha::Object you are passed.. which is very powerful | |
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| 22:37 | ashimema[m] | but also, not easy to document in a simple fashion just for templates |
| 22:37 | * caroline | is getting hangry at TT notices |
| 22:37 | ashimema[m] | you can actually do some really horrible things come to think of it.. |
| 22:38 | lukeG1 | tuxayo or aleisha still about? |
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| 22:38 | aleisha | yup! |
| 22:38 | ashimema[m] | for example.. you could in theory write a notice that added a cost to the patron every time it was sent out.. I like that actually.. hehe.. you could charge for notices without writing any code whatsoever in Koha to do it.. just by adding to the template |
| 22:38 | cool | |
| 22:38 | aleisha | whats up lukeG1 |
| 22:38 | ashimema[m] | for anyone following along with my revelation there |
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| 22:38 | lukeG1 | Im wondering if we are going back to the normal schedule of 15th for string freeze and 22nd for a release |
| 22:39 | for this month | |
| 22:39 | ashimema[m] | [% patron.account.add_debit amount => 1.00, type => notice %] |
| 22:39 | tuxayo | lukeG1: «still about» ? |
| 22:39 | IIUC yes | |
| 22:39 | ashimema[m] | something along those lines in a notice that includes a patron object would magically add a charge to the patron every time it was triggered to send.. hehe |
| 22:40 | aleisha | yup lukeG1 i believe that was the plan :) |
| 22:40 | those are always the dates unless we agree to change them, like we did last month | |
| 22:40 | lukeG1 | Yup, just making sure! Thanks :) |
| 22:40 | tuxayo | lukeG1: In the email from jonathan sent on "Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:00:56 +0200" |
| 22:40 | aleisha | never hurts to make sure! |
| 22:40 | tuxayo | +1 |
| 22:41 | So yep, we understood the same thing :) | |
| 22:41 | aleisha | lukeG1: how are you going with backporting those string patches? |
| 22:43 | lukeG1 | aleisha: Ive backported everything I need into 20.05, Im all caught up with master now |
| 22:44 | cait | can you consider the other de-DE one again? hope i didn't miss it |
| 22:45 | bug 25129 | |
| 22:45 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25129 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to master , Update German (de-DE) web installer files for 20.05 |
| 22:45 | lukeG1 | cait: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6b2cfb1a2f19559d6 |
| 22:46 | cait | yep that's frameworks |
| 22:46 | thi sis installer | |
| 22:46 | 2 bugs | |
| 22:46 | lukeG1 | cait: oh thank you! I did miss 25129 |
| 22:46 | Ill go get it right now | |
| 22:46 | cait | lukeG++ |
| 22:48 | aleisha | thanks :) |
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