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| 00:01 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #176: SUCCESS in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/176/ |
| 00:02 | Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #9: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]/Koha_20.05_D9/9/ | |
| 00:11 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 00:11 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 00:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U18 build #5: FIXED in 1 hr 16 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.05_U18/5/ |
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| 00:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_U20 build #4: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.05_U20/4/ |
| 00:43 | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #174: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/174/ | |
| 00:47 | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #173: SUCCESS in 46 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/173/ | |
| 01:06 | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #177: SUCCESS in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/177/ | |
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| 01:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #175: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/175/ |
| 01:37 | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #178: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/178/ | |
| 01:41 | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #174: SUCCESS in 53 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/174/ | |
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| 04:45 | dcook | Curious if anyone else has noticed a bug in the "Perl @INC" in /cgi-bin/koha/about.pl... |
| 04:45 | Seeing an increasing number of "/usr/share/koha/installer | |
| 04:45 | and /usr/share/koha/lib/installer" duplicate entries... | |
| 04:47 | Ah I bet it's koha-plack... | |
| 04:47 | Or somehow the PERL5LIB var.. | |
| 04:48 | Ah there: PERL5LIB=$PERL5LIB:$KOHA_HOME/installer:$KOHA_HOME/lib/installer | |
| 04:55 | Bug 25778 | |
| 04:55 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25778 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-plack --restart causes PERL5LIB to grow with duplicate entries |
| 04:55 | dcook | Happy for someone with more patience than me to work on it.. heh |
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| 06:37 | TimothyAlexis | inlibro, we have the carrousel plugin in our library on the main page, thank you for sharing. :) Where would be a proper place to suggest improvements or perhaps better, contribute? |
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| 06:45 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 06:50 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:04 | dcook | TimothyAlexis: It's about 3am for InLibro I think ;) |
| 07:05 | If you prefix that message with "@later tell", then when that user speaks later, they'll get your message then | |
| 07:05 | Joubu | dcook: 25778 - why not in dev env? |
| 07:05 | * dcook | looks at bugzilla |
| 07:05 | dcook | Oh, because in the dev env it overwrites the whole of PERL5LIB in that one function... I'll point to it in a sec |
| 07:06 | adjust_paths_dev_install | |
| 07:06 | It doesn't use the current PERL5LIB. It just replaces it with $KOHA_HOME | |
| 07:06 | I might be missing something still, but that was my best guess, Joubu | |
| 07:07 | Joubu | but l.395 is hit in both cases I'd say |
| 07:08 | ok, I got it | |
| 07:08 | waking up :) | |
| 07:09 | dcook | That's OK. I'm glad that I wasn't 100% in this window. |
| 07:09 | My boss almost locked me in the office using an external lock | |
| 07:09 | Heh | |
| 07:09 | Just ran out to stop from being locked in for the night | |
| 07:10 | There might still be one thing I'm missing for Bug 25778 though.. | |
| 07:10 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25778 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-plack --restart causes PERL5LIB to grow with duplicate entries |
| 07:11 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bug 25778" (44 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/22844 |
| 07:11 | dcook | Not sure where that first "/usr/share/koha/lib" is coming from... |
| 07:13 | Oh wait.. | |
| 07:14 | That'll be from Apache I guess.. but then why doesn't it get duplicated.. | |
| 07:17 | I guess Starman must not know about it, and it must be added only at Request time.. | |
| 07:18 | Plack::Middleware::ReverseProxy would probably pass the environmental variable from Apache to the Plack app... and maybe it has some special handling for PERL5LIB.. | |
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| 07:22 | dcook | Or I guess it doesn't need it because it might just be baked into the Perl anyway.. |
| 07:23 | Anyway, back to guessing why DBD::mysql isn't finding the right unix socket on OpenSuse.. | |
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| 07:31 | dcook | Oh man... lol |
| 07:31 | I just spent ages... looked at the source code for MySQL/MariaDB | |
| 07:31 | And the problem was Memcached had cached the koha-conf.xml settings | |
| 07:32 | * dcook | laughs and cries simultaneously |
| 07:34 | dcook | Peace oot, #koha |
| 07:35 | Might be back later while messing around with writing and compiling C# apps on Linux... because why not... | |
| 07:35 | fridolin | hello world |
| 07:36 | C# ooooh reminds me when I was young and foolish ;) | |
| 07:36 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 07:59 | ashimema | hahaha.. I was thinking the same there fridolin |
| 08:01 | fridolin | ^^ |
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| 08:39 | TimothyAlexis | Thank you dcook for letting me know this. I will send a /msg |
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| 08:40 | vfernandes | hi #koha |
| 08:43 | how we can speed up bulkmarcimport? yesterday importing 350k (large) records took around 5 hours (+ ES indexing after) | |
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| 08:51 | Joubu | gmcharlt_: Hi Galen, do you remember how is triggered the huginn notifications after a push to the Koha repo? |
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| 09:07 | magnuse | vfernandes: that is a lot of records ;-) |
| 09:10 | vfernandes | magnuse: yes, i know but still far from the record 1M import :) |
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| 09:12 | vfernandes | the ES reindex using 4 process is quick... the import not so much |
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| 09:37 | ashimema | do you also find it eats a huge amount of memory vfernandes? |
| 09:37 | we're regularly loading those sorts of numbers and are finding it increasingly difficult | |
| 09:37 | servers OOMing before completion and yeah.. it taking hours | |
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| 10:51 | tcohen | morning |
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| 11:15 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:22 | cait1 | please welcome my new'ish coworker alex2 :) |
| 11:23 | alex2 | hello |
| 11:23 | oleonard | Hi alex2, welcome! |
| 11:23 | cait1 | bug 20555 |
| 11:23 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , usage() function in cleanup_database.pl needs refactoring |
| 11:24 | cait1 | :) |
| 11:24 | irc regulars? | |
| 11:24 | wahanui | irc regulars is https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 11:24 | cait1 | QA team? |
| 11:24 | wahanui | QA team are the real gatekeepers, send cookies their way |
| 11:25 | ashimema | alex2, nice to have you aboard :) |
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| 11:25 | ashimema | next meeting? |
| 11:25 | wahanui | rumour has it next meeting is https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 11:26 | ashimema | ooh.. soon |
| 11:26 | cait1 | yep, that's why are are configuring IRC :) |
| 11:26 | ashimema | hehe |
| 11:26 | I see | |
| 11:27 | damn.. I didn't finish the actions improvements on the meeting script yet | |
| 11:38 | tuxayo | o/ alex2 |
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| 12:24 | ashimema | erm |
| 12:24 | meeting? | |
| 12:24 | wahanui | rumour has it meeting is over :) |
| 12:24 | ashimema | Joubu |
| 12:24 | cait | |
| 12:24 | tcohen | |
| 12:24 | rmaints | |
| 12:25 | cait1 | i had 3pm |
| 12:25 | tcohen | hi |
| 12:25 | cait1 | so half an hour? |
| 12:25 | https://www.timeanddate.com/wo[…]iso=20200617T1300 | |
| 12:26 | ashimema | the calendar is wrong then |
| 12:26 | cait1 | says it#s in half an hour to me :) |
| 12:26 | ashimema | it says 1pm or me |
| 12:26 | cait1 | i have the same on the website and in the wiki |
| 12:26 | ashimema | 1pm Dev Meeting, 3pm General meeting |
| 12:26 | cait1 | 5pm for general |
| 12:26 | Joubu | 13UTC is in 30min |
| 12:27 | ashimema | google is doing strange conversions thatn |
| 12:27 | cait1 | see you in half an hour |
| 12:27 | ashimema | okies |
| 12:27 | Joubu | the event in the calendar is ok for me |
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| 12:34 | Joubu | nugged: Hi, could you open an "omnibus" bug report to group the warnings removal bugs? |
| 12:41 | nugged | okay |
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| 12:48 | Joubu | tcohen: about bug 24909 - do you mean 19.11 should embed bug 25045 and bug 25327 as well? |
| 12:48 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24909 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to oldstable , Add unprivileged route to get a bibliographic record |
| 12:48 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25045 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add a way to restrict anonymous access to public routes (OpacPublic behaviour) | |
| 12:48 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25327 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Cannot access API spec | |
| 12:49 | tcohen | yes, your required me to write 25045 on QA, and so I think they go together |
| 12:50 | Joubu | tcohen: can you let a note for aleisha on 24909 please? |
| 12:51 | tcohen | yes boss |
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| 12:53 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 12:54 | meetings today ? | |
| 12:54 | tcohen | in 6 minutes or so |
| 12:54 | tuxayo | o/ marcelr |
| 12:54 | After 5 min | |
| 12:54 | dev meeting | |
| 12:54 | marcelr | ok thx |
| 12:55 | oleonard: any objection to let my signoff count as a pass qa for 18911 ? | |
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| 12:56 | mtj | hi folks, i am about... |
| 12:57 | oleonard | marcelr: Sounds like a good plan since we overlapped |
| 12:57 | marcelr | ok |
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| 13:00 | Joubu | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020 |
| 13:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 13:00:27 2020 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 13:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 13:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_17_june_2020' |
| 13:00 | Joubu | #topic Introductions |
| 13:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:00 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_17_June_2020 |
| 13:00 | #info Jonathan Druart | |
| 13:00 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 13:01 | Joubu | #chair cait1 |
| 13:01 | huginn | Current chairs: Joubu cait1 |
| 13:01 | khall_ | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 13:01 | Joubu | #chair ashimema |
| 13:01 | huginn | Current chairs: Joubu ashimema cait1 |
| 13:01 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 13:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 13:01 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions |
| 13:01 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 13:02 | marcelr | #info Marcel de Rooy, Rijksmuseum, Netherlands |
| 13:02 | Joubu | rmaints? |
| 13:02 | wahanui | lukeG, aleisha, and tuxayo, I SUMMON THEE!! |
| 13:02 | Joubu | qa_team? |
| 13:02 | wahanui | qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall |
| 13:02 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe. |
| 13:02 | HenryB | #info Henry Bolshaw, House of Lords Library, UK |
| 13:02 | cait1 | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 13:02 | Joubu | no wahanui, qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts |
| 13:02 | wahanui | okay, Joubu. |
| 13:03 | tuxayo | qa_team is also matts alex_a jajm |
| 13:03 | wahanui | okay, tuxayo. |
| 13:03 | Joubu | #topic Announcements |
| 13:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:03 | tuxayo | oops |
| 13:03 | Joubu | Anyone have something? |
| 13:03 | tuxayo | Sorry Joubu |
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| 13:05 | tuxayo | qa_team is cait Joubu marcelr kohaputti josef_moravec tcohen kidclamp khall ashimema alex_a jajm matts |
| 13:05 | Joubu | #info I am planning to upgrade and move our git server. The plan is to have a new server and suggest gitea as a replacement of the couple gitweb/gitolite |
| 13:05 | I will send an email to the list in the next couple of weeks | |
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| 13:05 | tuxayo | Joubu++ |
| 13:05 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 13:05 | Joubu | something else? |
| 13:05 | ashimema | Joubu++ |
| 13:05 | tuxayo | wahanui: why do you ignore me when I'm trying to fix my mistake! |
| 13:05 | wahanui | tuxayo: huh? |
| 13:05 | ashimema | loving this move and modernisation |
| 13:06 | see Joubu's.. it's subtly different tuxayo ;) | |
| 13:06 | Joubu | #topic Update from the Release manager (20.11) |
| 13:06 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (20.11) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:06 | ashimema | nothing from me |
| 13:06 | cait1 | what happens to the git statistics? |
| 13:07 | does gitea have a similar feature or the ability that we can add that to the new server as well? | |
| 13:07 | Joubu | Nothing much to tell, I am starting slowly to push things. Jenkins is back to green for master, and stable branches should get back to an happy state soon |
| 13:08 | cait1: it's gitstats, something different. That will be kept (either keep gitstats or replace with something a bit more fresh) | |
| 13:08 | tcohen | gitea must have something like that |
| 13:08 | ashimema | the current gitstats are a bit weird ;) |
| 13:08 | tuxayo | ashimema: thanks, I fixed it via PM to wahanui to stop spaming here |
| 13:08 | cait1 | i like them :) |
| 13:08 | ashimema | but I do like how they breakdown in theory.. I'm sure gittea has similar |
| 13:08 | Joubu | There is not much alternatives however |
| 13:09 | ashimema | under the activity tab no doubt |
| 13:09 | cait1 | can you please add it to the list? (if there is one? |
| 13:09 | davidnind | https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/gitea |
| 13:09 | Joubu | they are nicer, but lack info |
| 13:10 | I can share an admin account to a test install I have if somebody wants to play with it | |
| 13:10 | mtj | #info Mason James, NZ |
| 13:10 | * ashimema | has been thinking of learning Go.. perhaps I could add some gitstats inspired extras ;) |
| 13:10 | marcelr | looks like you have a contributors tab ? |
| 13:10 | tuxayo | marcelr: yes |
| 13:10 | marcelr | with github like stats ? |
| 13:10 | oleonard | Just what you need ashimema, new projects :D |
| 13:11 | ashimema | hehe |
| 13:11 | * cait1 | vetoes |
| 13:11 | cait1 | i think yo have other stuff to finish :P |
| 13:11 | * ashimema | doesn't see a contributors tab |
| 13:11 | Joubu | moving on? |
| 13:11 | tuxayo | marcelr: wait, I mixed up, it seems not! |
| 13:11 | cait1 | i see incomplete german transaltion and cannot switch it |
| 13:11 | ashimema | yeah.. lets move on |
| 13:11 | Joubu | no, gitea does not provide the same views as we have now with gitstats |
| 13:11 | cait1 | found it, it's at the bottom |
| 13:12 | Joubu | that's why we will certainly keep gitstats, unless we found something else. gitstats is super old and not maintained |
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| 13:12 | Joubu | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 13:12 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:12 | Joubu | lukeG1 maybe? |
| 13:13 | I will take over lukeG1 for 20.05.01 as he won't be around | |
| 13:13 | tuxayo | I'm getting used to the workflow :) Let's see how the release goes. |
| 13:13 | tcohen | He's on vacation |
| 13:13 | Joubu | We are actively discuting with Rmaints to backport some important patches (related with the Mojo version issues) |
| 13:14 | And mtj is doing a great job to refresh the debian package repo to make it easier to maintain | |
| 13:14 | tuxayo | vacation of lukeG1: only after the 18th IIRC, so two days to get them before the return on the 28th. |
| 13:15 | Joubu | tuxayo: anything to add about 19.05? |
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| 13:16 | Joubu | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 13:16 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:16 | tuxayo | Joubu: Not much in addition to the above message. The CI is a great help. And Mojo version issue don't impact oldoldstable :P |
| 13:16 | ashimema | doing a great job rmaints |
| 13:17 | tuxayo | Koha testing docker also is a great help |
| 13:17 | Joubu | cait1 maybe? Are you happy with your new team? :) |
| 13:17 | ashimema | lots of QA to do |
| 13:17 | marcelr | "new" |
| 13:17 | Joubu | not your marcelr :D |
| 13:17 | you* | |
| 13:18 | marcelr | ahh |
| 13:18 | cait1 | oh sorry |
| 13:18 | work distracted | |
| 13:18 | ashimema | nice to see a slightly more even spread of QA between the team.. be nice to have a little more competition at the top of the leaderboard though ;) |
| 13:18 | cait1 | I am very happy with the team |
| 13:18 | the Friday squad has grown :) | |
| 13:18 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:19 | Joubu | yes it's nice to see activities on Friday |
| 13:19 | cait1 | i hope activity will increase a bit more |
| 13:19 | marcelr | there should be more fridays |
| 13:19 | Joubu | But keep in mind that we are going to enter the "push all the big things" window |
| 13:19 | tuxayo | yay :D |
| 13:19 | Joubu | it's time to focus on the big moves :) |
| 13:19 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:19 | Joubu | I won't list them, you know what they are |
| 13:19 | * oleonard | 's favorite window |
| 13:20 | cait1 | I was hoping to get some dates and tiems set for testing some of the bigger things in the community |
| 13:20 | Joubu | and most of see could get 2 pair of eyes from QA, don't wait for them to arrivein the QA queue |
| 13:20 | them* | |
| 13:20 | cait1 | the idea is... give it lots of exes for an hour or so |
| 13:20 | eyes,... not exes | |
| 13:20 | marcelr | ok |
| 13:20 | Joubu | ha yes, we have something on the agenda about that! |
| 13:21 | cait1 | that shoudl not keep anyone from looking at them anytime |
| 13:21 | Joubu | #topic Community testing events for 'big stuff' bugs (example: Bug 20271, Bug 20168) |
| 13:21 | Topic for #koha is now Community testing events for 'big stuff' bugs (example: Bug 20271, Bug 20168) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:21 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20271 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Merge deleted biblio, biblioitems, biblio_metadata, and items tables |
| 13:21 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20168 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Update of the OPAC bootstrap template to bootstrap v4 | |
| 13:21 | tuxayo | > I won't list them, you know what they are |
| 13:21 | For anyone out of the loop, I guess the bugzilla keywords RM_priority and rel_20_11_target are where they are. | |
| 13:21 | (among other things) | |
| 13:21 | Joubu | cait1: what did you have in mind? |
| 13:22 | like we focus on 1 or 2 a given day? | |
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| 13:23 | tcohen | there's a couple really game changing ones like |
| 13:23 | ashimema | If you suggest a particular bug for a team effort each week in your newsletter cait, I would jump on board with joining the effort |
| 13:23 | tcohen | the task queue |
| 13:23 | Joubu | we could setup a branch with them applied, and test the branch? |
| 13:23 | cait1 | sorry, demanded from all sites right now :) |
| 13:23 | i thught i'd start a free doodle with some suggestions, but we can also just agree on times | |
| 13:24 | would fridays be generally suitable? | |
| 13:24 | ashimema: that's a good suggestion | |
| 13:24 | merge one first? | |
| 13:24 | ashimema | sounds good |
| 13:25 | cait1 | i will suggest as "bug of the week" and also suggest a time for gathering to test or 2 |
| 13:25 | Joubu | #action cait Organise a testing day for "big stuffs" |
| 13:25 | cait1 | but we can also advertise outside of the qa team, doesn't hurt |
| 13:25 | Joubu: can you make sure it's rebased for next week? | |
| 13:26 | Joubu | yes sure, I rebased it last week so it will be easy |
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| 13:26 | Joubu | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 13:26 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:26 | ashimema | merge one sound like a good place to start :) |
| 13:26 | Joubu | the move to bootstrap 4 could be tested at the same time |
| 13:27 | it's a bit boring (imo) to test the UI, so better to test something else and notice UI changes/regressions :) | |
| 13:27 | cait1 | i can advertise both together on the mailing list |
| 13:27 | i will think about something until the end of the week | |
| 13:27 | Joubu | #topic Generic example template for new pages in the OPAC |
| 13:27 | Topic for #koha is now Generic example template for new pages in the OPAC (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:27 | Joubu | the agenda says "We should add a generic example template for new pages in the OPAC (and perhaps staff client) that follows all the best current best practices to aid develops adding new pages. " |
| 13:28 | ashimema: you added that | |
| 13:28 | ashimema | ah yes |
| 13:28 | Joubu | did you open a bug report already? |
| 13:28 | oleonard | My hope is that my Bootstrap 4 work will be approved soon enough that we should wait until after that |
| 13:29 | * oleonard | crosses his fingers |
| 13:29 | cait1 | :) |
| 13:29 | talljoy | yay! |
| 13:29 | ashimema | well.. whilst going through templates for accessibility fixing reasons i noted how much disparity there is |
| 13:30 | cait1 | sorry, have to run - will read back later |
| 13:30 | Joubu | ashimema: we use to have the "city" code as an example |
| 13:30 | ashimema | I wanted to suggest we ship a 'template' template.. at least for the opac, which can be used as a starting point when developers want to add new pages.. |
| 13:30 | best practices | |
| 13:30 | indeed.. but city is only staff side.. I'm thinking opac side | |
| 13:30 | Joubu | (we don't have city at the OPAC) |
| 13:30 | yes, that | |
| 13:31 | tcohen | we could have an extra project, that allows us to scaffold things |
| 13:31 | mtj | congrats on the opac bootstrap-4 stuff, oleonard++ |
| 13:31 | ashimema | it was mostly thinking aloud |
| 13:31 | oleonard | mtj: Don't congratulate me until after testing :) |
| 13:31 | Joubu | a koha-lite with simple stuffs and examples to follow |
| 13:31 | tcohen | like yeoman, but targetting Koha uses: templates, Koha::Object classes |
| 13:31 | ashimema | we're very inconsistent with heading nesting levels and things |
| 13:32 | be good to have a template and use it in the guidelines | |
| 13:32 | oleonard | There is some documentation on page structure here, but specific to the staff interface: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]erns#Page_layouts |
| 13:32 | ashimema | sounds great to me tcohen |
| 13:32 | oleonard | ...but having a complete example would be good |
| 13:32 | ashimema | ooh.. |
| 13:32 | that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking oleonard.. but perhaps at the koha repo level as a file | |
| 13:32 | Joubu | Don't we have different structures? Only one template won't be enough in that case |
| 13:33 | ashimema | and of course.. with some OPAC examples as well as staff |
| 13:33 | oleonard | Correct |
| 13:33 | ashimema | I'm not sure how many different structures we have.. and if we should have lots of different structures to be honest ;) |
| 13:34 | marcelr | with includes and block processing fun ? |
| 13:34 | tcohen | koha-template --name somepage --include holds, datatable --target opac --dest-dir . |
| 13:34 | Joubu | #action open a bug report to introduce the idea of having a "skeleton" template we could copy for new pages |
| 13:35 | ashimema | as dcook mentioned.. using the WRAPPER tt directive could help a bit |
| 13:35 | Joubu | we don't create many new pages :) |
| 13:35 | ashimema | tcohen I love that idea.. but don't have a clue where to start on that front ;) |
| 13:35 | okies.. | |
| 13:36 | you are indeed correct.. | |
| 13:36 | but it would be nice to get our existing pages more consistent | |
| 13:36 | move on Joubu | |
| 13:36 | ;) | |
| 13:36 | marcelr | [on] |
| 13:36 | Joubu | oleonard: does the move to bootstrap 4 modifies/unifies the structures? |
| 13:37 | oleonard | The grid markup is completely changed, the page structure overall is basically the same. I did some work on improving consistency but it wasn't my primary goal |
| 13:38 | Joubu | ok |
| 13:38 | #topic Routes for authorised values (RFC) | |
| 13:38 | Topic for #koha is now Routes for authorised values (RFC) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:38 | Joubu | tcohen? |
| 13:38 | wahanui | somebody said tcohen was the man you want to thank |
| 13:38 | oleonard | Thanks tcohen |
| 13:38 | Joubu | thanks tcohen |
| 13:38 | tcohen | LOL |
| 13:38 | ashimema | I think we need guidelines as to what the consistency is before we can clearly work towards it.. that's kinda my point here |
| 13:39 | tcohen | I noticed a pattern on the authorised values logic that would complicate implementing the original RFC: library limits |
| 13:40 | the RFC needs some love in terms of attribute names | |
| 13:40 | and the guidelines | |
| 13:40 | Joubu | bug 17390 |
| 13:40 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17390 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Add REST API endpoint for Authorised Values |
| 13:40 | tcohen | but overall, the problem here is that having a general /authorised_values route |
| 13:40 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]lues_endpoint_RFC |
| 13:41 | tcohen | will be complicated to implement |
| 13:41 | if it needs to acknowledge permissions, library limits and will probably not be used | |
| 13:41 | you can only query all auth values in a simple way if you are a superlibrarian | |
| 13:42 | so I proposed a simpler implementation, changing the routes design | |
| 13:42 | and I also suggested on the bug | |
| 13:42 | that if the only thing that is going to be used | |
| 13:42 | is a POST to add a new value to a category | |
| 13:42 | then just implement that | |
| 13:43 | one of the errors we made at the beginning of the API development was to | |
| 13:43 | Joubu | Do we need to review the other (if exist) endpoint RFCs? |
| 13:43 | tcohen | forget about how it was going to be used, so when we needed to used to routes, they lacked many things |
| 13:43 | * ashimema | supports implementing things piecemeal if it means things actually end up in.. all too often we see 'all or nothing'.. and then you end up with nothing. |
| 13:44 | tcohen | Joubu I'm not sure about that, auth values is specially tricky IMHO |
| 13:45 | ashimema | I'm only quickly looked at the av bug.. but I agree it needs a level of routing which I think the current implimentation doesn't have.. but I need to test it before really commenting deeply. |
| 13:45 | tcohen | and design should consider translations which is something that is waiting on the queue |
| 13:45 | ashimema | av is a very hard area |
| 13:45 | Joubu | there is no current implementation |
| 13:45 | or, the patches on the bug report you mean? | |
| 13:46 | tcohen: translations is another endpoing IMO | |
| 13:46 | tcohen | bug 20307 |
| 13:46 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20307 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, BLOCKED , Language overlay for authorized values |
| 13:46 | * ashimema | is hopeing jajm will pick up the translations bug again.. it felt like he was making some foor progress on that alternative implimentation |
| 13:46 | Joubu | ok, moving on? |
| 13:47 | tcohen | Joubu now we can embed things, how a translated description will be fetched needs to be thought at the root of this |
| 13:47 | Joubu | indeed |
| 13:47 | I was thinking "post/put" | |
| 13:47 | tcohen | ah, you're correct |
| 13:47 | ashimema | happy to move on |
| 13:47 | Joubu | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 13:47 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:48 | Joubu | #topic We should require all OPAC pages always contain a single 'maincontent' class to denote the main content of the page Bug 22807 |
| 13:48 | Topic for #koha is now We should require all OPAC pages always contain a single 'maincontent' class to denote the main content of the page Bug 22807 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:48 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22807 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Accessibility: Add 'Skip to Main Content' link |
| 13:48 | Joubu | ashimema: did you add this one? |
| 13:48 | ashimema | another case of the accessibility work highlighting some area's we've been missing in QA |
| 13:49 | it looks like we started add 'maincontent' classes to pages a while back to aid in displaying the main part of the page when collapsed for small screens | |
| 13:49 | but.. we haven't consistently ensured each page has one such class | |
| 13:50 | it become additional important with my work on bug 22807, which adds 'Skip to main content' links for added accessability which utilise these classes | |
| 13:50 | so.. I wanted to propose adding a guideline as such | |
| 13:50 | and then enforcing at at the QA level.. if we can | |
| 13:51 | oleonard | +1 |
| 13:51 | Joubu | at first glance I think we can have a test in the QA script easily |
| 13:51 | ashimema | perhaps we could even do with an 'Accessibility' section of the guidelines.. it's becoming more and more internationally important as far as I'm aware |
| 13:52 | tuxayo | > 'Accessibility' section of the guidelines |
| 13:52 | +1 | |
| 13:52 | ashimema | this would just be the first of a few such guidelines I'm likely to suggest whilst I go through my massive report |
| 13:52 | Joubu | you are close to get another action ashimema |
| 13:52 | ashimema | lol |
| 13:52 | sounds like people are generally onboard then.. | |
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| 13:52 | ashimema | I'll draft up a guideline for us to vote next meeting.. sound fair? |
| 13:53 | marcelr | +1 |
| 13:54 | ashimema | #action ashimema to draft the first 'Accessibility' guideline; All OPAC pages require a single 'maincontent' classed block. |
| 13:54 | ok.. brill | |
| 13:54 | Joubu | #action ashimema write a guideline about mandatory 'maincontent' class (OPAC) |
| 13:54 | ashimema | next :) |
| 13:54 | tuxayo | ashimema++ |
| 13:54 | ashimema | hehe |
| 13:54 | Joubu | #topic We should add a coding guideline for language involving allow/deny lists Bug 25708 and using inclusive language |
| 13:54 | Topic for #koha is now We should add a coding guideline for language involving allow/deny lists Bug 25708 and using inclusive language (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 13:54 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , [OMNIBUS] Use allow/disallow terminology in code |
| 13:54 | oleonard | kidclamp? |
| 13:54 | wahanui | kidclamp is reply i guess kidclamp is the first RM not to be bribed |
| 13:55 | talljoy | he's on vacation |
| 13:55 | i worked with him on that bug | |
| 13:55 | Joubu | wahanui: that's wrong |
| 13:55 | wahanui | Joubu: huh? |
| 13:56 | oleonard | talljoy did you and kidclamp talk about specific wording for a coding guideline? |
| 13:56 | talljoy | just briefly. i was going to talk to tcohen about some ideas today. |
| 13:57 | if you want to action item that i can work on it and submit a proposed change to vote on at the next meeting | |
| 13:57 | tcohen | +1 |
| 13:57 | marcelr | git grep -l black|wc -l 165 |
| 13:57 | Joubu | what's the idea? |
| 13:57 | wahanui | i guess the idea is of Koha::Cron is nice, I just do not like creating some "system" user in patrons database... |
| 13:57 | marcelr | git grep -l white|wc -l 675 |
| 13:58 | is whitespace no longer allowed ? ;) | |
| 13:58 | oleonard | Terms like "blacklist" can either have racist origins or racist overtones, and we should avoid them |
| 13:58 | talljoy | the terms blacklist and whitelist are problematic for us |
| 13:58 | tuxayo | marcelr: tabs I guess aren't :P |
| 13:59 | talljoy | oleonard++ |
| 13:59 | for clarity :) | |
| 13:59 | ashimema | it follows the same logic that 'master' is bad in git.. |
| 13:59 | oleonard | Yes absolutely ashimema |
| 13:59 | ashimema | and 'master', 'slave' is bad in db's |
| 13:59 | etc | |
| 13:59 | talljoy | i noticed github changed from master to main. |
| 13:59 | Joubu | yes, master in git does not make sense. |
| 14:00 | ashimema | I'm happy for us to do it to save future arguaments.. even though personally I find it somewhat absurd |
| 14:00 | talljoy | whitelist/blacklist? |
| 14:00 | marcelr | gradual improvements ? |
| 14:00 | Joubu | same |
| 14:00 | ashimema | allowlist/denylist works for me |
| 14:00 | marcelr | +1 |
| 14:00 | talljoy | it's more clear to function also |
| 14:01 | oleonard | I don't find the idea of eliminating problematic terminology absurd. I find it essential. |
| 14:01 | Joubu | blacklist is used in different languages |
| 14:01 | ashimema | even though blacklist etimology has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour in the first place.. |
| 14:01 | oleonard | We strive to be as open and inclusive as we can and we should set an example in our use of language |
| 14:01 | talljoy | communication is not about the words used, but what is heard. |
| 14:01 | ashimema | I can certainly see how some people might take offence |
| 14:02 | tuxayo | > even though blacklist etimology has absolutely nothing to do with skin colour in the first place.. |
| 14:02 | +1, after double checked that in wikipedia before the meeting | |
| 14:02 | > I can certainly see how some people might take offence | |
| 14:02 | +1 | |
| 14:02 | Joubu | so, action? |
| 14:03 | talljoy | i'm happy to work on a proposal for the coding guidelines. |
| 14:03 | marcelr | a general one ? |
| 14:03 | ashimema | what I find absurd is that people are taking offence at things that long predate the argument.. I do think we should do something about it so people have no excuse to take offence |
| 14:03 | oleonard | Is anyone willing to investigate what would be involved with doing away with the term "master" in our projects? |
| 14:03 | ashimema | that's the point I was trying to get at.. |
| 14:03 | not that it's absurd we do it.. | |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | ashimema++ |
| 14:04 | oleonard | <thumbsup.png> |
| 14:04 | Joubu | #action talljoy Propose a guideline for "inclusive langage" (whitelist/blacklist vs allowlist/denylist) |
| 14:04 | talljoy | will do! |
| 14:04 | marcelr | we dont need a guideline for each term ? |
| 14:04 | tuxayo | oleonard: is depend if we accept slavery for our machines. But someday they might raise against us! |
| 14:04 | talljoy++ | |
| 14:04 | ashimema | to be honest.. we probably do |
| 14:04 | Joubu | are there other problematic terms? |
| 14:04 | or just blacklist? | |
| 14:05 | talljoy | that's a bigger discussion for the group. |
| 14:05 | khall_ | that's all I've noticed so far Joubu |
| 14:05 | Joubu | ok, moving on then |
| 14:05 | talljoy | i can speak from my perspective (from the US), but their may be other perspectives worth considering |
| 14:05 | ashimema | we're an international community.. unless someone specifically brings my attention to a word like blacklist being offensive I really wouldn't have guessed it ;) |
| 14:05 | Joubu | something else to add before the last (and best) topic? |
| 14:05 | ashimema | hence I feel it needs to be written down |
| 14:05 | oleonard | It will be an ongoing process as we learn |
| 14:05 | talljoy | agreed. |
| 14:05 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 14:06 | each time we come up with one we need to add it to a list somewhere | |
| 14:06 | one a QA person can refer to and point at | |
| 14:06 | gmcharlt_ | Joubu: it's currently done via an RSS feed from gitweb |
| 14:06 | oleonard | If you're going to chime in you'll have to #info gmcharlt ;) |
| 14:07 | Joubu | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | > each time we come up with one we need to add it to a list somewhere |
| 14:07 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 14:07 | tuxayo | A denylist list of course. |
| 14:07 | ashimema | :'( |
| 14:08 | we have a terminology page.. we should just add it to that I recon | |
| 14:08 | tuxayo | > something else to add before the last (and best) topic? |
| 14:08 | I got something aboyt RMaint handover on each cycle | |
| 14:08 | ashimema | someone fancy adding 'blacklist' and 'whitelist' to https://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Terminology |
| 14:08 | Joubu | go tuxayo |
| 14:10 | tuxayo | The time frame between the last point release (22th) and the release of the 20.05 |
| 14:10 | was unclear about which team should RMaint (backport) during that time/ | |
| 14:10 | Various assumptions can make sence | |
| 14:10 | But if not everyone make the same, then we can miss patch to review | |
| 14:11 | *patches | |
| 14:11 | * ashimema | adds terms to wiki |
| 14:11 | talljoy | I agree that some coordination on handoffs would be helpful |
| 14:11 | Joubu | ashimema: I'd wait for the guideline |
| 14:12 | talljoy | For 19.11 I spoke (in IRC) with aleisha letting her know the moment i was stepping away and she was now owner of that branch |
| 14:12 | Joubu | tuxayo: I guess it happened because the release went out with delay |
| 14:12 | talljoy | do you have a suggestion tuxayo? |
| 14:13 | Joubu | the 20.05.00 release I mean |
| 14:14 | tuxayo | Could we have that formally in the process of team switching? And about which team should process the gap, |
| 14:14 | I think the previous team should. | |
| 14:14 | I'm sure I'm will find easier to continue one week more of backporting | |
| 14:14 | than having to catch up one week during the first month when the branch isn't known yet well. | |
| 14:14 | talljoy | good point |
| 14:15 | tuxayo | But the actual this is to have the [holy] "RMaint cursor" explicitly transmitted |
| 14:15 | (wherever it is) | |
| 14:16 | *But the important thing | |
| 14:16 | Joubu | #action tuxayo write a proposal for handing over stable branches |
| 14:16 | ok? :) | |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | And also transmit the bugs that touch strings that have been put on hold during the string freeze |
| 14:16 | talljoy | this is a great idea! |
| 14:16 | tuxayo | Ok |
| 14:17 | ashimema | :) |
| 14:17 | Joubu | maybe send an email to the other RMaints to collect ideas, then write something down together |
| 14:17 | tuxayo | Like a draft for a new section of the Release_maintenance wiki pages? |
| 14:17 | *page | |
| 14:17 | Joubu | yes |
| 14:17 | tuxayo | ok! |
| 14:18 | Joubu | Next meeting: 1 July 2020, 20 UTC? |
| 14:18 | tuxayo | We can move on |
| 14:18 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 1 July 2020, 20 UTC? |
| 14:18 | #endmeeting | |
| 14:18 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 14:18 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 14:18:45 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:18 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-17-13.00.html | |
| 14:18 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]0-06-17-13.00.txt | |
| 14:18 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]17-13.00.log.html | |
| 14:19 | oleonard | I hereby cast my vote in approval of the next meeting date and time. |
| 14:20 | ashimema | +1 |
| 14:22 | * ashimema | goes for a walk |
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| 14:24 | Joubu | talljoy: Can you link the "Inclusive language" guideline proposal to some relevant links please? It's not obvious to everybody why "black" is a word that should be avoided. |
| 14:24 | talljoy | yes i can do that. |
| 14:24 | Joubu | thanks |
| 14:29 | ashimema: do you want to try your patch for the #action with this last meeting? The merge request reads good to me | |
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| 14:35 | tuxayo | talljoy: Joubu This is a great name for the proposal because it matches this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_language |
| 14:41 | Joubu | yes, I am aware of that, just not why blacklist :) |
| 14:41 | I don't get it, but it's fine | |
| 14:41 | I can live with allowlist | |
| 14:42 | blacklist is used in dozens of other languages according to wikipedia | |
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| 14:54 | tuxayo | I didn't meant to push for a high level of these changes. |
| 14:55 | I'm actually worried because if we take many countries and cultures. | |
| 14:55 | We should find a lot of potentially offensive terms. And it would be contradictory to center the denylist of terms on the US or Europeans POVs. | |
| 14:55 | Hopeful there will not be much concrete stuff in this issue and peace is reachable in this general topic. (not thinking about just Koha) | |
| 14:57 | note: this issue = a lot of potentially offensive terms that won't be considered enough due to not being in a dominating culture. | |
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| 15:00 | Joubu | We have the privilege to have 2 meetings in a row today |
| 15:00 | anyone willing to chair? | |
| 15:00 | #startmeeting General IRC meeting 17 June 2020 | |
| 15:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jun 17 15:00:44 2020 UTC. The chair is Joubu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting_17_june_2020' |
| 15:00 | Joubu | #topic Introductions |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:00 | Joubu | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_17_June_2020 |
| 15:01 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 15:01 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:01 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inlibro |
| 15:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 15:01 | khall_ | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:02 | DonnaB | #info Donna Bachowski, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:02 | Joubu | #chair tuxayo |
| 15:02 | huginn | Current chairs: Joubu tuxayo |
| 15:02 | Joubu | #chair talljoy |
| 15:02 | huginn | Current chairs: Joubu talljoy tuxayo |
| 15:02 | Joubu | first two, just in case ;) |
| 15:02 | #topic Announcements | |
| 15:02 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:02 | Joubu | Anyone have something? |
| 15:03 | seems not | |
| 15:03 | #topic Update on releases | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now Update on releases (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | It was a trap. Got tricked again |
| 15:04 | >_< | |
| 15:04 | Joubu | #info See minutes from the dev meeting earlier today |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | "endmeeting" |
| 15:04 | Joubu | #topic KohaCon |
| 15:04 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:04 | tuxayo | :P |
| 15:04 | Joubu | I think we will get more info at the next general meeting |
| 15:05 | rangi asked for the next meeting to be south hemisphere friendly | |
| 15:05 | #topic Kohacon21 - When should we start the bidding process? | |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon21 - When should we start the bidding process? (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:05 | Joubu | don't let me alone please |
| 15:05 | oleonard | Wow... Imagine there being a 2021... |
| 15:06 | Joubu | where would you like? |
| 15:06 | thd | exactly |
| 15:06 | tuxayo | Any reason not to start the process? |
| 15:07 | thd | Could you imagine preparing for an in person meeting at this time? |
| 15:07 | oleonard | Where are we in the geographical rotation? |
| 15:07 | caroline | not Europe nor NZ? |
| 15:07 | Joubu | it depends if you count 2020 |
| 15:07 | thd | s/meeting/conference/ |
| 15:07 | tuxayo | thd: We can try anyway. |
| 15:08 | Joubu | I think we should wait for the KohaCon20 updates next month |
| 15:09 | caroline | 2019 was Dublin (Europe), 2018 was Portland (North America), 2017 was Philippines (Asia) |
| 15:09 | Joubu | then see if we decide to open the bidding for 2021 |
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| 15:09 | Joubu | would you agree with that? |
| 15:09 | tuxayo | > it depends if you count 2020 |
| 15:09 | There are definitely reasons to not count it since many persons won't be able to visit KohaCon20 | |
| 15:09 | > I think we should wait for the KohaCon20 updates next month | |
| 15:09 | +1 | |
| 15:09 | thd | I have no objection to trying but the three days I had to spend preparing a COVID-19 safety plan where I work on my own to ensure my job would continue would be as nothing compared to conference planning at this time. |
| 15:10 | s/on my own/on my own time/ | |
| 15:10 | oleonard | KohaCon 2020 doesn't fit in the geographical rotation because it's the 20th anniversary and would have been held in New Zealand no matter what. |
| 15:10 | So regardless we don't count it when looking at the rotation | |
| 15:10 | tuxayo | We are enough soon to afford one month to get to have more info right? I don't know the usual schedule. |
| 15:11 | Joubu | we announce in May I think |
| 15:11 | oleonard | +1 to waiting to discuss until at least next month |
| 15:11 | thd | Good prospects are New Zealand, the Isle of Man, and some Pacific Atolls. |
| 15:12 | Joubu | #info Open the bidding process for KohaCon21 will be decided at the next general meeting |
| 15:12 | Another topic we could talk about? | |
| 15:12 | ashimema | next meeting |
| 15:12 | wahanui | next meeting is probably https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Next_IRC_meetings |
| 15:13 | Joubu | #info Avoid 2 meetings the same day :) |
| 15:13 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 15:13 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC meeting 17 June 2020) | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | Anyone who wasn't at the dev meeting want to talk about anything? :D |
| 15:13 | talljoy | documentation? |
| 15:13 | favorite bugs? | |
| 15:14 | tuxayo | Any news? |
| 15:14 | caroline | I would say spiders bc they eat other bugs |
| 15:14 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | «Should I install Koha 20.05.00? Or wait for 20.05.01?» |
| 15:15 | * oleonard | votes mantis, because they eat other bugs and are like bug dinosaurs |
| 15:15 | Joubu | #info next approved bug: spider |
| 15:15 | talljoy | lol |
| 15:15 | caroline | XD |
| 15:15 | tuxayo | he he |
| 15:16 | caroline | twig insects are pretty cool too |
| 15:16 | tuxayo | > mantis, because they eat other bugs |
| 15:16 | I get the Mantis bug tracker name know! :o | |
| 15:16 | *now | |
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| 15:16 | Joubu | #info Next meeting: 17 July 2020, 20 UTC |
| 15:17 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:17 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 15:17 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jun 17 15:17:00 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:17 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-17-15.00.html | |
| 15:17 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]0-06-17-15.00.txt | |
| 15:17 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]17-15.00.log.html | |
| 15:17 | caroline | Joubu++ short meeting :) |
| 15:17 | or extra long dev meeting | |
| 15:17 | tuxayo | Joubu++ |
| 15:17 | Joubu | I keep it as long as I could! |
| 15:17 | ashimema | lol |
| 15:18 | tuxayo | About 20.05.00: did any scary bug popped up after the release? (I haven't followed well) |
| 15:18 | thd | I failed to note that both meetings fell on the same day. |
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| 15:19 | oleonard | caroline I veto twig insects because they are too scary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]lula_P%C3%A4rchen.jpg |
| 15:20 | caroline | I was thinking more of this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]omorpha_chronus02.jpg |
| 15:20 | thd | My brain has not recovered from being under curfew to control looting and then being at work late during curfew with someone trying to break in. |
| 15:21 | oleonard | caroline that bug cannot be trusted |
| 15:21 | thd it sounds like your brain deserves some recovery time for that | |
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| 15:23 | oleonard | Oh bummer, Interleaf took down the KohaCon2019 page? |
| 15:23 | thd | Yes, at least the police came when called that night and scared away the person. Unlike three nights before when it seemed as if groups of criminals were using the riots as cover for smashing and looting using power tools and had the police far outnumbered. |
| 15:24 | s/riots/proper protests/ | |
| 15:25 | The only real rioting was police induced with excess and otherwise poorly considered crowd management. | |
| 15:27 | tuxayo | thd: that's though :( |
| 15:28 | oleonard: Wayback Machine to the rescue: https://web.archive.org/web/20[…]acon2019proposal/ | |
| 15:28 | * oleonard | is there |
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| 15:34 | * oleonard | belatedly adds Dublin to this list https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]n_History#History |
| 15:34 | ashimema | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eting_1_July_2020 spot the new feature of the koha-meetings script |
| 15:34 | arghya | I am facing problem when migration 16.05 to 19.11. I have resotre database, rebulid zebra index, without error. But in the opac search I am not getting any data, No result found. |
| 15:35 | caroline | ashimema++ thanks for that! |
| 15:35 | arghya | I got error in opac-error.log oAuth connection problem database error |
| 15:35 | any help | |
| 15:35 | wahanui | i think any help is welcomed |
| 15:35 | oleonard | arghya do you get search results in the staff interface? |
| 15:36 | arghya | no |
| 15:36 | caroline | I would try rebuild_zebra with -r |
| 15:36 | -r solves all my index problems :) | |
| 15:36 | arghya | but I have check database data are same like older system. yes I have tried |
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| 15:38 | arghya | is there any database user creation or user/password needed to be set? |
| 15:39 | oleonard | arghya if everything else seems to be working then the database user can't be the problem. |
| 15:40 | caroline | arghya: maybe a system preference is set that shouldn't be |
| 15:40 | I searched for oAuth and there are a couple of sysprefs related to that | |
| 15:41 | arghya | system preference means?where & how to check |
| 15:41 | oleonard | ...but oAuth wouldn't have anything to do with the zebra index would it? |
| 15:41 | caroline | Administration > System preferences |
| 15:41 | no, ut they said they had an error in opac-error log relating to oAuth | |
| 15:42 | arghya | for migration only db miration is sufficient or any other files/folders I need to migrate? |
| 15:43 | caroline that's the only error in the log file no other errors are there | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | Importing your database into the new Koha installation is the standard procedure as far as I know. You ran the database update process? |
| 15:45 | arghya | yes I run the db schema update then koha-rebilud zebra |
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| 15:48 | oleonard | Sorry arghya I am not an expert in this area. I don't know what to suggest next. |
| 15:48 | arghya | ok thanks any one can give me some suggestion...thanks in advance |
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| 15:53 | Joubu | arghya: do you have GoogleOpenIDConnect enabled? |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt: ok thanks. I have not found a RSS feed in gitea, but I guess it could be done with webhooks | |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 15:59 | arghya | Joubu I don't know exeactly, can you tell me how to check |
| 15:59 | Joubu | search in the system preferences |
| 16:01 | arghya | ok.thanks |
| 16:03 | tcohen | @seen kohaputti |
| 16:03 | huginn | tcohen: kohaputti was last seen in #koha 5 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <kohaputti> if the library has the books in transfer state but in a room accessible for patrons then some of the patrons might go pick up those books and checkout them even though they were supposed to be transferred to another branch |
| 16:06 | caroline | Joubu: any particular reason you didn't want the put 24001 in NSO? I just tested it and it works |
| 16:07 | bug 24001 | |
| 16:07 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24001 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Cannot edit card template |
| 16:08 | Joubu | it feels wrong, I don't think it's the way to fix it |
| 16:11 | caroline: you can still test it and confirm it works :) | |
| 16:11 | caroline | Yeah I was going to retest it and put my comments in the bug |
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| 16:23 | vfernandes | in Koha 20.05 it's possible to define the OPAC and intranet languages order but can we define the default language (looks like it's opening the browser language)? |
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| 16:35 | oleonard | vfernandes if the user's OPAC interface language is being selected based on their browser's default language isn't that good? |
| 16:38 | vfernandes | yes, but some libraries asks if is possible to force the OPAC language |
| 16:39 | besides that the language cookie isn't defined for the default language | |
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| 20:21 | oleonard | oh hey thanks for not talking while I was away. I might have missed something otherwise. |
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| 20:30 | reiveune | bye |
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| 20:35 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 20:35 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 20:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #237: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.05_U18/237/ |
| 20:35 | Project Koha_19.05_D8 build #241: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.05_D8/241/ | |
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| 20:46 | cait | oleonard: we are all too tired for talking |
| 20:47 | hayley | time for bed cait? :) |
| 20:48 | cait | soon'ish :) |
| 20:49 | oleonard | time for work hayley? |
| 20:49 | nugged | > <tcohen> seen kohaputti |
| 20:49 | tcohen: Joonas on vacation for 3 weeks from this monday | |
| 20:49 | hayley | that's right oleonard@ |
| 20:49 | ! | |
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| 20:51 | oleonard | Are you back in the office hayley? |
| 20:53 | hayley | oleonard some days of the week for me oleonard, people are being chill about coming into the office |
| 20:53 | * oleonard | 's library is open again but still working from home |
| 20:53 | hayley | I've enjoyed working from home, how has it been for you? |
| 20:54 | aleisha | hi |
| 20:54 | oleonard | Pretty good. My wife and 3 kids are all home for the summer so it's not exactly quiet |
| 20:55 | hayley | I bet! |
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| 21:36 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 21:36 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 21:36 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_D9 build #10: FIXED in 59 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_20.05_D9/10/ |
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| 21:43 | dcook | @later tell ashimema Yes join me with the Golang fun. One of these days I'll share my Golang task scheduler for Koha... |
| 21:43 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:51 | oleonard | dcook: from one person with too many projects to another :D |
| 21:51 | dcook | Hehe |
| 21:51 | I know right. I'm ridiculous. | |
| 21:51 | Did some C# last night. That was fun. | |
| 21:55 | * oleonard | has plenty of half-formed Koha patches to keep him busy |
| 21:55 | dcook | Mmm same here. And many half-formed ideas of Koha patches.. |
| 21:56 | There are not enough hours in the day.. | |
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| 22:25 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:25 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 22:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_20.05_D9_My8 build #9: FIXED in 55 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_20.05_D9_My8/9/ |
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| 22:49 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 22:49 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
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| 23:45 | aleisha | hey tcohen are you around? |
| 23:54 | mtj | hiya aleisha, we should get 19.11/deb10 passing on jenkins this arvo |
| 23:54 | aleisha | awesome thanks mtj |
| 23:55 | mtj | np, will keep you posted :0) |
| 23:56 | aleisha | cheers! |
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