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| 00:21 | tuxayo | hayley: around? |
| 00:23 | hayley | hello! |
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| 00:24 | tuxayo | hayley: I sent a test mail, to make sure it makes through. |
| 00:25 | hayley | hi tuxayo yes it has made it through |
| 00:25 | tuxayo | To ensure the next one about roles for 20.11 won't be in spam. Which would cost precious time. |
| 00:25 | hayley: great :D I'll finish writing it. | |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 06:59 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 07:25 | Joubu | caroline: done (meeting update) |
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| 07:27 | ashimema[m] | oh.. thanks Joubu |
| 07:27 | * ashimema[m] | just woke up properly and was about to start on tha one :) |
| 07:28 | cait | morning #koha |
| 07:47 | Joubu | @later tell tcohen the escape bit is a blocker (security) to me for 25279 |
| 07:47 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:17 | Joubu | @later tell kidclamp what's your opinion on bug 23787 comment 28? |
| 08:17 | huginn | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:49 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #275: ABORTED in 22 hr: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/275/ |
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| 09:51 | ashimema[m] | hmm.. not sure what's going on with Jenkins |
| 09:51 | had to abort those last builds.. they'd been building for 20 hours or so | |
| 09:51 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_U18 build #129: FAILURE in 1 min 22 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_19.11_U18/129/ |
| 09:51 | Project Koha_Master_D10 build #218: STILL FAILING in 1 min 44 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D10/218/ | |
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| 10:10 | Project Koha_19.11_D8 build #128: ABORTED in 20 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D8/128/ | |
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| 10:20 | ashimema[m] | tuxayo around? |
| 10:21 | I think you need to shift your email to the dev lists rather than email lots of people individually.. I'm working my way through it now and want to reply.. but don't want to reply in private and go over the same things with others all individually. | |
| 10:21 | tuxayo | Yes |
| 10:21 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #853: STILL FAILING in 8 min 42 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/853/ |
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| 10:26 | tuxayo | ashimema: I was trying to get one feedback before sending more broadly. |
| 10:26 | To hopefully get something less confusing. | |
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| 10:27 | ashimema[m] | I've replied |
| 10:27 | tuxayo | The eventuality of Jonathan being RM simplified the thing a lot. |
| 10:28 | ashimema[m] | but it's not especially insightful |
| 10:28 | the core piece we're missing is motivation for employers | |
| 10:28 | I tend to find individuals are highly motivated and want to help with the load but often cannot commit to much dues to their commitments to customers | |
| 10:28 | never enough time | |
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| 10:28 | tuxayo | Indeed. |
| 10:29 | ashimema[m] | Joubu is in a special position having a community level income |
| 10:29 | I kind of feel the RM role could/should be community funded.. then it's less of a 'donation' and lose to the company giving up a staff member | |
| 10:30 | hard call really.. | |
| 10:30 | I'd have loved to have stuck around for another cycle, but alas we have lots on our plate at ptfs-e and they can't afford to let me continue for another 6 months at my current commitment level | |
| 10:31 | on that note.. as much as I'll be released from RM duties.. my time will not all be available to work on QA so your model of freeing time doesn't always follow. | |
| 10:31 | tuxayo | > my time will not all be available to work on QA |
| 10:31 | Indeed it would only be partial. | |
| 10:31 | ashimema[m] | I will be doing some QA.. but it's very unlikely I'll be able to come close to the level of QA Joubu did last cycle for example.. I'll have too many other commitments |
| 10:42 | tuxayo | I don't think I need to keep exploring my plan of doing 2 Rmaint on next cycle. |
| 10:42 | I got an answer from Hayley and the free people at Catalyst don't have QA experience. So it won't fly. | |
| 10:42 | Maybe I'm the one who needs to learn QA during the cycle even if not on the team ^^" | |
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| 10:53 | ashimema[m] | feel free to shadow a QA person.. you only learn by doing and QA does vary |
| 10:55 | assuming Joubu ends up as RM I'd ask him.. he's the one that will see your work as such.. I have levels of QA in my head for various people on the team.. I know which things they are most likely to miss and which things I can really count on them to catch for each person and so my approach to the final QA test before pushing a bug differs depending on whom did the QA | |
| 10:55 | you could look at taking on a topic expert role as an alternative.. they can do QA but in a limited capacity for an area of code they know well | |
| 10:56 | though to be honest.. good SO is just as important as QA.. as a QA person, if I can see the person before me doing SO has done a rigorous job of testing it means I can fall back to mostly looking for code mistakes rather than doing a deep dive on the test plan | |
| 10:57 | Joubu | yes, that ^ :) |
| 10:57 | tuxayo | Good to know! |
| 10:59 | I should then look in these directions. | |
| 11:00 | ashimema[m] | :) |
| 11:06 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1311: FAILURE in 1 min 38 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1311/ |
| 11:07 | Joubu | 13:06:34 koha_1 | Database is not empty! at /kohadevbox/misc4dev/populate_db.pl line 95. |
| 11:07 | ashimema[m]: why that? | |
| 11:09 | I would try again | |
| 11:11 | ashimema[m] | ? |
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| 11:31 | tcohen | morning all |
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| 11:35 | ashimema[m] | morning tcohen |
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| 13:41 | Joubu | When editing a subfield: "Max length: |
| 13:41 | (see online help)" | |
| 13:41 | what is the "online help"? | |
| 13:42 | caroline | Merci Joubu :) |
| 13:43 | And for your question, I have no idea, I've always wondered too | |
| 13:54 | cait | i thinkthe help files |
| 13:54 | but we removed them.... so the manual? | |
| 13:55 | Joubu | bug 25388 |
| 13:55 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25388 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , There is no link for the "online help" |
| 13:59 | cait | oh interesting |
| 14:00 | maybe there was something in hte online help file we removed? a useful note? | |
| 14:07 | Joubu | no idea.. |
| 14:07 | ashimema[m]: looks like jobs are stuck | |
| 14:09 | * cait | tidies strange translations found in training - only see them when showing others :( |
| 14:11 | eythian | It's all just Schmetterling and Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän everywhere, innit. |
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| 14:19 | Null404 | hi, there is a option to auto delay reserved books that was returned (for 7 days for exapmle) in KOHA ? |
| 14:21 | caroline | Hi Null404, not that I know of |
| 14:22 | Null404 | oh well |
| 14:23 | if someone return books that is in reservation by other one, gets e-mail: "your books is ready to borrow" | |
| 14:24 | I mean after return, next one gets email | |
| 14:25 | caroline | yeah, in the context of quarantine, you have to "ignore" the reservation upon return and confirm it when the book gets out of quarantine |
| 14:25 | if you ignore, the next person won't get an email | |
| 14:25 | Null404 | hm... yes |
| 14:26 | but if other librarian forgot and accept popup ? | |
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| 14:27 | caroline | then yeah, the person will get an email... |
| 14:27 | cait | you could turn off the emails... but then you will have to send them manually later |
| 14:27 | we did that for some libraires | |
| 14:28 | Null404 | interesting idea |
| 14:29 | caroline | or make the librarian call the person and explain that the book is in quarantine for their safety... after a couple of calls, hey will not make the mistake |
| 14:29 | * caroline | is a bad manager |
| 14:29 | cait | heh |
| 14:30 | not true, you managing skills tempt me to sign up for docs team right now :) | |
| 14:30 | caroline | sometimes I feel librarians want the software to think for them... |
| 14:31 | cait | ... but are unhappy if it does |
| 14:31 | it does what was conigured... but we don't want it that way | |
| 14:31 | caroline | lol yeah! |
| 14:32 | Null404 | @caroline true |
| 14:32 | huginn | Null404: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 14:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1312: STILL FAILING in 3 hr 18 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1312/ |
| 14:32 | eythian | cait: should be easy to fix: "use Acme::Telepathy qw( what_do_you_want );" |
| 14:33 | Null404 | today one librarian want to set a function that will call when quarantine of each book ends, and when if ends he will get pop up / email with information |
| 14:33 | cait | can you provide me with a code sample? |
| 14:33 | Joubu | eythian: could you push? It's not on CPAN yet |
| 14:33 | cait | heh |
| 14:33 | eythian: how is life in Amsterdam? | |
| 14:34 | caroline | "Could not expand [Acme::Telepathy]. Check the module name." |
| 14:34 | eythian | Joubu: you might also need this: https://metacpan.org/pod/Future |
| 14:34 | cait: very quiet. Except for work, work is too busy. | |
| 14:35 | cait | are you at home too or still going in? |
| 14:35 | eythian | No, working from home. It's been something like 6-7 weeks now, and probably another month or two more at least. |
| 14:36 | luckily I have a reasonable setup for it here. | |
| 14:40 | cait | similar here |
| 14:40 | not sure how much longer, since this week we can volunarily return, but lots of rules i place etc | |
| 14:41 | Marie-Luce | while we are talking about quarantine, do you have any idea on how to manage automatically statut change for different quarantine length (e.g. book 3 days & DVD 10 days) |
| 14:41 | cait | maybe the item age thing could help? |
| 14:42 | hm i guess not, that's only working with dateaccessioned | |
| 14:42 | another idea: a report that is built so you can sent to batch item edit | |
| 14:43 | caroline | you couldn't make it work with the automatic change by age tool? |
| 14:43 | cait | i think the "age" is the dateaccesioned... so it doesn't seem like it would work |
| 14:43 | unless i am missing something | |
| 14:43 | Marie-Luce | the automatic change can work with item status change |
| 14:44 | cait | maybe it shows i've never used it :) |
| 14:44 | Marie-Luce: did you see bywaters bloc post about handling quarantine? i haven't read it yet, but maybe that is helpful | |
| 14:44 | i's in my "read later" list | |
| 14:45 | eythian: almost 8 weeks now... just counted - time is still flying | |
| 14:46 | eythian | cait: it is moving on, but it does still feel like April the 87th today. |
| 14:46 | Marie-Luce | yes I did, but it doesn't mention the automatic change by age |
| 14:49 | I've tested a global rule for every itemtype which ask to search for items.notforloan = "quarantine status" and swap for "available status", and it works well | |
| 14:50 | cait | how do you know it's been in quarantine 'long enough'? |
| 14:51 | Marie-Luce | in the tool you can set up the time when it should change |
| 14:52 | cait | hm, but what does it compare to? |
| 14:52 | Marie-Luce | in the rule you can add 3 days, conditions items.notforloan ="quarantine" subtitutions items.notforloan = 0 |
| 14:53 | I guess it will check when the status was changed to quarantine... but I may be wrong | |
| 14:53 | Does it make sense? | |
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| 15:09 | Joubu | Marie-Luce: the "age" is compared with dateaccessioned, not sure it is what you are looking fod |
| 15:10 | Marie-Luce | so, it wouldn't check the status ? |
| 15:11 | I was confused since there are so many options in the conditions when setting up the tool | |
| 15:13 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:14 | Marie-Luce | reiveune: bye |
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| 15:41 | cait | Marie-Luce: i thin it only checks dateaccessioned - we don't store that kind of information (when it was changed to...) well, only for lost and damaged |
| 15:43 | Marie-Luce | my solution was too good to be true... |
| 15:43 | thanks for checking | |
| 15:49 | cait | yes, it would be really nice if the tool was a little more flexible |
| 15:49 | if it was able to use the datelastseen too for example, that would enable us to do things after last circ action | |
| 15:50 | checkin updates datelastseen... 2 days later, change checkout status | |
| 15:50 | well or whatever status | |
| 15:51 | Marie-Luce | good ideas |
| 16:04 | Joubu | open a bug report and detail the needs ;) |
| 16:05 | cait | meh heh |
| 16:05 | but yes, i probably shoudl at elast make a quick one | |
| 16:07 | but for now... time to shut down the work laptop :) | |
| 16:07 | bbl! | |
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| 16:09 | Marie-Luce | cait: thanks for your help |
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| 17:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_MDB_Latest build #276: ABORTED in 7 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]9_MDB_Latest/276/ |
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| 18:02 | tuxayo | Reminder: development IRC meeting in 1h |
| 18:02 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eeting_6_May_2020 | |
| 18:17 | caroline | cait, do any of your libraries use TraceSubjectSubdivisions ? |
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| 18:35 | cait | I think that#s required when the subjects have multiple subfields right? |
| 18:35 | I think it's not required for us as our subjects are only $a | |
| 18:36 | caroline | ah ok |
| 18:36 | cait | I thin it was probably made for LOC subjects? |
| 18:36 | caroline | I have a client who turned it on and it doesn't work with translations (it translates the boolean AND in the query) |
| 18:36 | cait | oh |
| 18:37 | caroline | I'm trying to reproduce in the master but my master is buggy as hell |
| 18:37 | cait | which translation? |
| 18:37 | caroline | well we work in fr-CA |
| 18:37 | cait | hm they might have translated that in the po files |
| 18:37 | caroline | I don't know which file it comes from |
| 18:38 | cait | which koha version? |
| 18:38 | i can see if i can spot it | |
| 18:38 | caroline | that particular client is still in 18,05 (one of those) |
| 18:38 | that's why I'm trying to work it out in master | |
| 18:38 | cait | i am not going to throw stones... |
| 18:38 | 17.11 | |
| 18:39 | caroline | cait is one of those too! hehe! |
| 18:39 | cait | 133 actually :) |
| 18:40 | we have some things showing up like his in translation: +and+(bib-level:a+or+bib-level:b) | |
| 18:40 | and sometimes that gets translated by accident | |
| 18:40 | that's tnot the one we are looking for, but a good exaple | |
| 18:41 | what#s french for and? | |
| 18:41 | caroline | ET |
| 18:41 | like the extraterrestrial | |
| 18:43 | cait | i am not usre if you can see this: https://translate.koha-communi[…]4801889&offset=40 |
| 18:43 | AND got translated as ET | |
| 18:43 | caroline | oh says page not found |
| 18:43 | cait | yeah, Bernardo deactivated that translation becuase it's old |
| 18:43 | i have admin rights still, so can see it | |
| 18:44 | you are looking for this PO file: fr-CA-marc-MARC21.po | |
| 18:44 | caroline | but if zebra is finnicky about booleans, it shouldn't be in the po in the first place...? |
| 18:44 | cait | and then you need to have someone change AND back to ET and reinstall fr-CA |
| 18:44 | caroline | ok |
| 18:44 | cait | it's hard to parse |
| 18:44 | to differentiate between what should be in po and what ot... it's probably all <xsl:text></xsl:text> | |
| 18:45 | i think someone tried by making it all capitals | |
| 18:46 | the files and lines it occurs are listed as: intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl:694 intranet-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2intranetDetail.xsl:752 opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl:733 opac-tmpl/bootstrap/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl:787 (but they might be a little different between bugfix vresions) | |
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| 18:46 | cait | I am fixing the newer versions now |
| 18:50 | tuxayo | Reminder: development IRC meeting in 10min |
| 18:50 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]792f83c06704#l443 line 446 |
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| 18:52 | tuxayo | o/ davidnind |
| 18:52 | oleonard | o/ |
| 18:52 | tuxayo | o/ oleonard |
| 18:52 | davidnind | greetings from the far south! |
| 18:53 | cait | hi davidnind :) |
| 18:53 | davidnind | hi cait! |
| 18:58 | tuxayo | davidnind: I have a question about signoffs: do you have a type of bugs for which you particularity efficient/motivated to sign them off? |
| 18:59 | So I can focus on other bugs to not "reduce" the effectiveness of your work. Of simply not taking "nice ones" | |
| 18:59 | cait | i thin it differes proably for everyone |
| 18:59 | oleonard's seem usually to go fast | |
| 18:59 | as most of them are something you can 'see' | |
| 18:59 | the architecture stuff is harder to find someone for | |
| 18:59 | API, SIP2, REST | |
| 18:59 | oleonard | I am a simple man |
| 18:59 | cait | or worse ... LDAP, Shibboleth |
| 18:59 | the harder to set up | |
| 19:00 | oleonard: that's not waht i said! | |
| 19:00 | tuxayo | he he |
| 19:00 | ho, it's time for the meeting! | |
| 19:00 | !bang | |
| 19:00 | AnnaBoten | \_x< tuxayo: 1 (845444.47 seconds) |
| 19:00 | davidnind | tuxayo: normally ones that have a good test plan or that I can work out how to do |
| 19:00 | tuxayo | No ducks allowed. |
| 19:01 | oleonard | tuxayo fires his gun into the air in celebration and hits a duck! |
| 19:02 | cait | ashimema[m]: ? |
| 19:02 | tuxayo | davidnind: thanks, I'll try to pay attention to that. I'll only take them when they are few weeks old. |
| 19:03 | Good that was my plan anyway. Take the ones untouched since a month. And then go the older ones. | |
| 19:03 | davidnind | tuxayo: really internal technical Koha stuff I tend to avoid |
| 19:03 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 19:03 | wahanui | *click* |
| 19:03 | tuxayo | oleonard: wow, it was around since 10 days. |
| 19:03 | cait | should we give him another 2 mins? |
| 19:04 | tuxayo | yup |
| 19:05 | davidnind: Like «API, SIP2, REST, LDAP, Shibboleth» ? to cite cait | |
| 19:05 | davidnind | other times I pick the oldest ones, or focus on sign offs required for specific people |
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| 19:06 | cait | oldest is always good, that should include the ones i listed |
| 19:07 | davidnind | overall a bit random really, API ones are normally okay - there is a test plan and you use prove - except where comment is required on the technical aspects |
| 19:09 | thd | Is there a meeting now or is my time zone wrong? |
| 19:09 | tcohen | !bang |
| 19:09 | AnnaBoten | \_x< tcohen: 1 (330.60 seconds) |
| 19:09 | tcohen | do we have a meeting now? |
| 19:09 | tuxayo | thd: yes, there should be soon |
| 19:09 | oleonard | thd: We were giving ashimema[m] a few minutes to show up, but no luck |
| 19:09 | cait | yes |
| 19:09 | tuxayo | tcohen: yes XD |
| 19:09 | tcohen | like now? |
| 19:09 | cait | ok, who wnats to chair? |
| 19:09 | tcohen: ? :) | |
| 19:10 | tuxayo | tcohen: That's why the ducks come also. |
| 19:10 | cait | I can help, but not alone please |
| 19:10 | tcohen | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020 |
| 19:10 | huginn | Meeting started Wed May 6 19:10:58 2020 UTC. The chair is tcohen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:10 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:10 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:10 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_6_may_2020' |
| 19:11 | cait | ah :) |
| 19:11 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]eeting_6_May_2020 Agenda | |
| 19:11 | tcohen | #topc Introductions |
| 19:11 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 19:11 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Javier and Manuel's father |
| 19:11 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 19:11 | tuxayo | #topic Introductions |
| 19:12 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wlelington, New Zealand |
| 19:12 | tuxayo | #info tuxayo/Victor Grousset, France |
| 19:12 | tcohen | #chair tuxayo |
| 19:12 | huginn | Current chairs: tcohen tuxayo |
| 19:12 | tcohen | do not overlap |
| 19:12 | tuxayo | whaaaat |
| 19:12 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City [still world virus capital] |
| 19:12 | tcohen | but if you want to do it, be my guest |
| 19:12 | tuxayo | I just wanted to fix a typo >_< |
| 19:12 | tcohen | ah |
| 19:12 | haha | |
| 19:13 | cait | oops |
| 19:13 | tuxayo | topc→topic. Maybe it was not a big deal. Anyways ^^" |
| 19:13 | tcohen | #topic Introductions |
| 19:13 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:13 | tcohen | You don't need to introduce yourself again |
| 19:14 | #topic Announcements | |
| 19:14 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:14 | cait | tuxayo: only chairs can set topics |
| 19:14 | tcohen | Anyone has any announcement to make? |
| 19:14 | cait | #info We are in feature freeze, heading into String freeze end of week |
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| 19:15 | tuxayo | cait: And if some tries, they get a place in the chair instead, hue hue |
| 19:15 | cait | can't think of something else :) |
| 19:16 | move on? | |
| 19:16 | tcohen | #topc Update from the Release manager (20.05) |
| 19:16 | just messing with you | |
| 19:16 | ashimema[m] | Just join by phone |
| 19:16 | tuxayo | tcohen: topc→topic |
| 19:16 | hooo >_< | |
| 19:16 | ashimema[m] | Sorry, computer issues |
| 19:16 | tcohen | #topic Update from the Release manager (20.05) |
| 19:16 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (20.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:16 | tcohen | just in time, ashimema[m] |
| 19:16 | ashimema[m] | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS-Europe |
| 19:17 | tuxayo | o/ ashimema |
| 19:17 | tcohen | o/ |
| 19:17 | ashimema[m] | #info We are loving at a pace readying ourselves for release.. QA team are great and bugs are getting squashed. We're now in feature freeze and string freeze is this coming Friday. |
| 19:18 | Please excuse a higher rate of typos.. no idea why I can't sign in on the laptop or pc | |
| 19:18 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 19:18 | wahanui | *click* |
| 19:18 | tcohen | !bang |
| 19:18 | AnnaBoten | \_x< tcohen: 2 (5.15 seconds) |
| 19:18 | [('tcohen', 2), ('tuxayo', 1)] | |
| 19:18 | Best time: tcohen with 5.15 seconds | |
| 19:18 | Longest time: tuxayo with 845444.47 seconds (this is your new longest time in this channel! Your previous longest time was 386334.35) | |
| 19:18 | tcohen took the lead for the week over kidclamp with 2 points. | |
| 19:18 | tcohen | !stop |
| 19:18 | AnnaBoten | Not a single duck was shot during this hunt! |
| 19:18 | Nothing to stop: there's no hunt right now. | |
| 19:18 | tcohen | ashimema[m]++ |
| 19:19 | very excited about this release! | |
| 19:19 | cait | me too :) |
| 19:19 | tcohen | moving on then |
| 19:19 | cait | good pace overall - just no slacking off after release please heh |
| 19:19 | tcohen | I'm sure we will all be busy next cycle |
| 19:19 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 19:19 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:20 | tcohen | rmaints? |
| 19:20 | wahanui | hmmm... rmaints is talljoy, lukeG, hayley |
| 19:21 | ashimema[m] | yeay.. back in.. I can type again :) |
| 19:21 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater |
| 19:21 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 19:21 | tcohen | o/ |
| 19:21 | it is the rmaints report topic | |
| 19:22 | talljoy | Jenkins is failing on me and aborted on two runs. Anyone able to help with that (19.11.x) |
| 19:22 | other than that, trying to catch up to ashimema with stuff being pushed to 20.05 | |
| 19:22 | tcohen | \o |
| 19:23 | I will Joy, sorry I forgot this morning | |
| 19:23 | talljoy | thanks! |
| 19:23 | tcohen | #info some tests are failing on 19.11, no news from other rmaints |
| 19:24 | * ashimema[m] | isn't sure what he did to upset Jenkins.. noever seen him to red and mad looking |
| 19:24 | tcohen | we need a bigger server |
| 19:24 | ashimema[m] | well.. once maybe.. I got he devil response once |
| 19:24 | tcohen | I will take care of that |
| 19:24 | and probably move into gitlab-ci | |
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| 19:24 | tuxayo | tcohen: that's the cause of failures? |
| 19:24 | tcohen | sometimes jenkins is causing OOM |
| 19:25 | I haven't found the plugin that is to blame | |
| 19:25 | tuxayo | Ho, that's bad. |
| 19:25 | tcohen | if you wanna chat about that we can on pm |
| 19:25 | tuxayo | ok! |
| 19:25 | tcohen | ideas are welcome |
| 19:25 | ashimema[m] | +1 |
| 19:25 | cait | :) |
| 19:26 | tcohen | can we skip the next topic? cait will kick our butts I think |
| 19:26 | cait | lol |
| 19:26 | why would i? qa team is great the rM said... ;) | |
| 19:26 | tcohen | #topic Updates from the QA team |
| 19:26 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:26 | cait | .... well, QA team IS great, but we can always do better |
| 19:26 | tcohen | Joubu++ # his numbers are impressive |
| 19:27 | cait | #info QA Team please jump on any bugs popping up now - there is still some things we should include in release to make things go smoothly especially with the new feature sintroduced and highlighted |
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| 19:28 | tcohen | I wanted to mention some recent changes on the API front |
| 19:28 | cait | so please, all hands on deck, don't fiddle with your shiny features for a bit, but hunt bugs :) |
| 19:28 | ok, go for it | |
| 19:28 | tcohen | have broken some behaviour on the plugins that implement routes |
| 19:28 | * oleonard | pouts |
| 19:29 | tcohen | it only highlighted that on the plugins front, the 'anonymous', 'public' and 'privileged' access paths hadn't been thought much |
| 19:29 | * ashimema[m] | sends less than subliminal messge to devs to contribute to the technical release notes pad |
| 19:29 | cait | oh, did i miss the link for that? |
| 19:29 | tcohen | in a minute |
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| 19:30 | tuxayo | cait: email "[Koha-devel] New technical changes for 20.05?" |
| 19:30 | * cait | doesn't get koha-devel recently, it looks like my web.de email is blocked soemwhere :( |
| 19:30 | tcohen | that's it tuxayo |
| 19:30 | cait | any help with that appreciated by the way... |
| 19:31 | tuxayo | cait: that shouldn't block incoming mail though. Maybe it's web.de that blocks lists.koha-community.org |
| 19:31 | tcohen | I will finish what I was writing |
| 19:32 | ashimema[m] | #link https://hebdo.framapad.org/p/9[…]ech-release-notes tech notes |
| 19:32 | tcohen | what I meant to say is that before the release, we need to replicate the behavioiur for the core API, on the plugins front, with a /public path, and honouring the 'RESTAnnonymous...' syspref as well |
| 19:32 | I will work as fast as possible on that | |
| 19:32 | ashimema[m] | thanks tcohen |
| 19:32 | tcohen | and write on that technical notes so any dev knows about this change |
| 19:33 | * ashimema[m] | has lost track of topics |
| 19:33 | tcohen | anyway, we don't catch this things in QA |
| 19:33 | cait | technical_notes++ |
| 19:33 | tcohen | and we need to work on that as well |
| 19:33 | cait | there is info on the wiki about api - but a note on the outdated pages would be great too |
| 19:33 | tcohen | #topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
| 19:33 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 19:34 | tcohen | #info 1) What's the state of ES 7 support |
| 19:34 | tuxayo? | |
| 19:34 | wahanui | tuxayo is probably on a role |
| 19:34 | tuxayo | I'll detail |
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| 19:34 | tcohen | can I ask a question? |
| 19:34 | tuxayo | There doesn't seem to be anything related to ES 7 other than Bug 22520 |
| 19:34 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22520 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Be Elastic compliant 7.x and 8.x (_doc) |
| 19:34 | tuxayo | Should we have something like this? «Bug 20196 - [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch6 - ES6» |
| 19:34 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20196 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, alex.arnaud, RESOLVED FIXED, [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch6 - ES6 |
| 19:34 | tuxayo | done. (for this question) |
| 19:35 | oops, sorry tcohen , go on. | |
| 19:35 | tcohen | its ok |
| 19:35 | I wanted to ask if there's a concept of LTS for ES | |
| 19:35 | tuxayo | tcohen: nope |
| 19:35 | tcohen | because we are always running way behind |
| 19:35 | ashimema[m] | good question |
| 19:36 | tcohen | lets move back to SolR then :-D |
| 19:36 | kidclamp | No, too late |
| 19:36 | tcohen | </rant> |
| 19:36 | tuxayo | After looking a lot about to try to find the end of life of ES 6, there is definitely no LTS |
| 19:36 | ashimema[m] | ? |
| 19:36 | it's hard to keep up with a fast moving project like ES | |
| 19:36 | cait | good and bad... |
| 19:37 | thd | It may be possible to artificially create a long term stable version at least somewhat. |
| 19:37 | tuxayo | From what I get, ES has a new major release every 12 or 18 months (variable) |
| 19:37 | And a version is supported during until the next next release | |
| 19:38 | ashimema[m] | what does 'Major' constitute? |
| 19:38 | tuxayo | 6.X 5.X |
| 19:38 | ashimema[m] | compared to our own cycle for example |
| 19:38 | thd | One could standardise on some Elastic Search release in some Long Term Stable GNU/Linux distribution for example. |
| 19:38 | tuxayo | So between 2 to 3 year of support for each major version. |
| 19:38 | ashimema[m] | number of breaking changes I supose it my question |
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| 19:39 | tcohen | that's LTS-ish |
| 19:39 | thd | LTS-ish++ |
| 19:40 | kidclamp | It should be easier to keep up when we have broader use, the slow point right now is not a lot of devs or users |
| 19:40 | tuxayo | > number of breaking changes |
| 19:40 | Breaking changes are only in major release. And with deprecation notices on the previous version. That helps. | |
| 19:40 | ashimema[m] | mmm |
| 19:40 | cait | is it hard to install an 'older' version? |
| 19:41 | tcohen | two years is ok |
| 19:41 | ashimema[m] | we don't as a community have any form of centrally lead roadmaps so it's hard to build in regular updates for dependancies like this |
| 19:41 | tcohen | the issue here is lack of devs |
| 19:41 | ashimema[m] | that's something i would have loved to try and change during my time as RM but alas it was a mountain too far.. |
| 19:42 | tuxayo | > is it hard to install an 'older' version? |
| 19:42 | I guess not because we are still installing 5.X which is EOL. | |
| 19:42 | cait | ok |
| 19:42 | ashimema[m] | I am however, happy to work on such a scheme next cycle or too if the next RM is keen for me to do so |
| 19:42 | cait | so at least if we miss one, it will not break stuff for people immediately |
| 19:42 | i think if we had a group of three that helped each other out, that oculd go far | |
| 19:42 | ashimema[m] | indeed |
| 19:43 | once we got a core group testing the last ES upgrade.. it went pretty quick | |
| 19:43 | just needs focus | |
| 19:44 | tuxayo | So, that might be useful to have something like «Bug20196 - [Omnibus] Prepare Koha to ElasticSearch6 - ES6» but for ES 7. |
| 19:44 | I'll create it to link new bugs if they pop. | |
| 19:44 | ashimema[m] | yup |
| 19:44 | tuxayo++ | |
| 19:44 | cait | tuxayo :) |
| 19:44 | tuxayo | The next questions might help also. Moving on to them? |
| 19:45 | tcohen | #info 2) Default ES versions of koha-testing-docker and KohaDevBox |
| 19:45 | ashimema[m] | what shape are we in for ES unit tests and running them on Jenkins? |
| 19:45 | tuxayo | Are there much unit/UI tests using ES for now? |
| 19:46 | ashimema[m] | I'm seeing another whole raft of CI work in need :(.. we hugely improved our coverage the last couple of cycle by introducing a bigger mix of OS + DB combinations |
| 19:46 | so we also need to start testing ES combinations too | |
| 19:46 | tcohen | koha-testing-docker currently can be started with es6 |
| 19:47 | tuxayo | nice to learn about these CI improvement! :D |
| 19:47 | tcohen | with just a param change |
| 19:47 | tuxayo | Oh, yes so the question was. |
| 19:47 | tcohen | in the case of KohaDevBox |
| 19:47 | tuxayo | 2) Default ES versions of koha-testing-docker and KohaDevBox [tuxayo] |
| 19:47 | Should they move to ES 6 by default? ES 5 is end of life since 2019-03 (ES 7 release) | |
| 19:47 | tcohen | that's alreay configurable in the user.yml file |
| 19:47 | tuxayo | And should they move to ES 7 by default after a few months ? |
| 19:48 | cait | tcohen: if ES6 is officially supported having it as default for a new one would make sense to me |
| 19:48 | tuxayo | tcohen: the default is how devs/SO/QA can discover new bugs right? |
| 19:49 | tcohen | totally |
| 19:49 | cait | kidclamp: maybe? |
| 19:49 | tuxayo | Otherwise it's only on user reports and the devs/SO/QA tjat choose to use ES 6. |
| 19:49 | tcohen | changing the default is ok |
| 19:50 | but we need to make sure CI is testing against 5.x | |
| 19:50 | ashimema[m] | I will admit.. I only really pay attention to ES when I'm looking specifically at and ES bug |
| 19:50 | tuxayo | Good :D |
| 19:50 | ashimema[m] | agreed |
| 19:50 | cait | info? |
| 19:50 | wahanui | somebody said info was largely out there.. just not especially well summarised |
| 19:50 | cait | or agreed, but log :) |
| 19:50 | tcohen | I don't know how to start a vote |
| 19:51 | ashimema[m] | do we even need to vote on that? |
| 19:51 | feels like a no brainer to be honest | |
| 19:51 | tcohen | #agreed We will make ES 6.x the default in our dev tools (koha-testing-docker and KohaDevBox) |
| 19:51 | tuxayo | hooray! |
| 19:51 | ashimema[m] | :) |
| 19:51 | +1 | |
| 19:51 | cait | not vote, but log it :) |
| 19:51 | for the minutes | |
| 19:51 | tuxayo | Next question (related) |
| 19:51 | tcohen | #info tcohen will make sure our CI is still running tests against ES 5.x |
| 19:51 | tuxayo | tcohen++ |
| 19:51 | tcohen | #info We will make ES 6.x the default in our dev tools (koha-testing-docker and KohaDevBox) |
| 19:51 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 19:52 | ashimema[m] | should we be running against both ES5 and ES6 tcohen? |
| 19:52 | tcohen | yes, and why not 7? |
| 19:52 | ashimema[m] | then have a deprecation point for dropping ES5 |
| 19:52 | sounds good to me.. | |
| 19:52 | tuxayo-read-only | Yes, +1 to 5, 6 and 7 |
| 19:52 | ashimema[m] | poor Jenkins.. |
| 19:52 | tcohen | haha |
| 19:52 | ashimema[m] | it's probably my fault he hurts |
| 19:52 | and drop 5 probably with 20.11 | |
| 19:53 | tcohen | I will ask mtj[m] to talk about his setup for running more tasks simultaneously on his node |
| 19:53 | ashimema[m] | :) |
| 19:53 | tcohen | he's node is big and has resources |
| 19:53 | #info 3) Should koha-testing-docker and KohaDevBox have ES enabled by default instead of Zebra? | |
| 19:54 | ashimema[m] | awsome |
| 19:54 | tuxayo | Again, to find more bugs. |
| 19:54 | And it would make sense if we want to move toward making ES | |
| 19:54 | the recommended search engine in Koha. | |
| 19:54 | done. | |
| 19:54 | tcohen | koha-testing-docker has ES set by default |
| 19:54 | ashimema[m] | tuxayo++ # raising great talking points |
| 19:55 | tcohen | it is only a matter of enabling it in misc4dev, probably |
| 19:55 | tuxayo | tcohen: But one must set the SearchEngine syspref and index ES right? |
| 19:55 | tcohen | in the case of KohaDevBox |
| 19:55 | tuxayo yes | |
| 19:55 | in the case of KohaDevBox the thing is it would require VirtualBox to assign more resources (RAM) | |
| 19:55 | kidclamp | Sorry, with kid so not here, we need to build actual search tests, but we need support for testing in a dev env that won't leave records in our indeed |
| 19:56 | tcohen | 4GB |
| 19:56 | kidclamp | Index |
| 19:56 | tuxayo | > in the case of KohaDevBox the thing is it would require VirtualBox to assign more resources |
| 19:56 | Indeed | |
| 19:56 | tcohen | kidclamp didn't we solve taht already by having a separate index? |
| 19:56 | tuxayo | > we need support for testing in a dev env that won't leave records in our |
| 19:56 | what do you mean kidclamp ? | |
| 19:57 | tcohen | or we didn't finish that... |
| 19:58 | tuxayo | > one must set the SearchEngine syspref and index ES |
| 19:58 | This means that many of our dev, SO, QA work in still done on Zebra so discovery on new bugs will be low. | |
| 19:58 | kidclamp | our general tests that create bibs end up in the index |
| 19:58 | cait | i thnk we can't break Zebra either |
| 19:58 | kidclamp | because we don't have a queue, we just index upon creation/change |
| 19:58 | cait | i regularly switch |
| 19:58 | when your devbox is set up, you can just throw the pref | |
| 19:59 | it's not an either/or choice | |
| 19:59 | tuxayo | hmmm, so how could we have a mixed usage of ES or Zebra? |
| 19:59 | davidnind | I find it easy enough to switch when testing elastic search bugs (koha-testing-docker) |
| 20:00 | cait | tuxayo: i think we already have |
| 20:00 | kidclamp | bug 24119 |
| 20:00 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24119 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Records indexed into ES during tests are not removed by rollback |
| 20:01 | tuxayo | cait, davidnind . Good, I was worried that the usage was low and that many ES |
| 20:01 | bugs could sneak to end user. | |
| 20:01 | cait | i think the ones we find now are too specific often, ES works 'well enough' i don#t notice when i forget to turn it off |
| 20:01 | but i don't do the real hard stuff in testing | |
| 20:02 | tuxayo | nice! |
| 20:02 | cait | like importing, merging etc. - unless i test a bug in that area |
| 20:02 | kidclamp | tuxayo: yes, we are trying to get a broad base of our users testing right now - once we upgrade to 19.11 we will work on switching to ES6 and finding those bugs, then can focus on support ofr 7/8 |
| 20:02 | tuxayo | Though if we want to catch up with ES versions. That means bugs than the current pace. |
| 20:03 | kidclamp: very good :D | |
| 20:03 | Would it be worth it to make docker-testing-docker and the DevBox to automatically index ES on startup? | |
| 20:03 | Then it's only a matter of syspref. | |
| 20:03 | ashimema[m] | ptfs-e are starting to migrte customers to es with 19.11 too |
| 20:04 | kidclamp | es indexing should be added to 'do all you can do' |
| 20:04 | and need support in sandbox | |
| 20:04 | for indexing es | |
| 20:04 | cait | do we have bugs for thoseß |
| 20:04 | ? | |
| 20:04 | ashimema[m] | yes.. sandbox support would be good.. |
| 20:04 | cait | we could tag them priority at least |
| 20:04 | well or gitlab issues | |
| 20:04 | ashimema[m] | but I imagine that could increase system requirements for sandbxoes significantly? |
| 20:04 | tcohen | ashimema[m] sandboxes should share an ES instance |
| 20:05 | kidclamp | good idea, less resources |
| 20:05 | ashimema[m] | I think they might already.. I can't remember what state it's currently in |
| 20:05 | khall is king there.. I just dable with patches now and then | |
| 20:05 | kidclamp | afaik they support es, but users cannot index it |
| 20:06 | tuxayo | So the proposals would be. |
| 20:06 | - es indexing should be added to 'do all you can do' | |
| 20:06 | - add support in sandboxes for ES | |
| 20:06 | - ES support in KohaDevBox | |
| 20:06 | Any thing more? | |
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| 20:06 | tcohen | I don't get the KohaDevBox item |
| 20:07 | tuxayo | tcohen: I though KohaDevBox didn't use ES. |
| 20:07 | tcohen | it does, if you launch vagrant with KOHA_ELASTICSEARCH=1 |
| 20:07 | and vars/user.yml lets you change the ES version | |
| 20:07 | but someone needs to try setting 6,x and see if the repo works, or needs to be changed in the config | |
| 20:08 | cait | i know the default works |
| 20:08 | i use it all the time | |
| 20:08 | tcohen | yes, I'm talking about making 6.x the default |
| 20:08 | and what changes are needed | |
| 20:08 | re: install repositories, for example | |
| 20:09 | cait | tcohen: that was to tuxayo's question :) |
| 20:09 | tuxayo | tcohen: Good. So nothing to do about DevBox except the default ES version (when choosing ES, Zebra stays by default) |
| 20:09 | tcohen | I'm just suggesting someone should volunteer to try and file an issue in Gitlab if we need to change something |
| 20:09 | kidclamp | I have been using ES6, works in testing docker well |
| 20:10 | tcohen | kidclamp would you suggest we make it the default? |
| 20:10 | kidclamp | yes |
| 20:10 | 100% | |
| 20:10 | definitely | |
| 20:10 | absolutely | |
| 20:10 | :-) | |
| 20:10 | tuxayo | tcohen: okay, I'm noting that. So: |
| 20:10 | - es indexing should be added to 'do all you can do' | |
| 20:10 | tcohen | #info tcohen will make ES6 the default in koha-testing-docker |
| 20:10 | tuxayo | - add support in sandboxes for ES |
| 20:10 | And that's all? | |
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| 20:11 | tcohen | maybe |
| 20:11 | ashimema[m] | :) |
| 20:11 | tuxayo | Great :D |
| 20:11 | kidclamp | gotta run |
| 20:11 | tcohen | thanks kidclamp |
| 20:11 | ashimema[m] | next topic? |
| 20:12 | tcohen | kidclamp++ |
| 20:12 | tuxayo | yup |
| 20:12 | tcohen | #topic Review of coding guidelines |
| 20:12 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 20:12 | tcohen | #info There's a proposal to add aria-hidden="true" in the guidelines |
| 20:13 | #link https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=25166 | |
| 20:13 | huginn | Bug 25166: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to master , Add aria-hidden = "true" to Font Awesome icons in the OPAC |
| 20:13 | * tuxayo | tries to understand |
| 20:13 | oleonard | #info https://fontawesome.com/v4.7.0/accessibility/ |
| 20:13 | tuxayo | https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]-hidden_attribute |
| 20:14 | oleonard | "If you're using an icon to add some extra decoration or branding, it does not need to be announced to users as they are navigating your site or app aurally" |
| 20:14 | tuxayo | Adding aria-hidden="true" to an element removes that element and all of its children from the accessibility tree. |
| 20:14 | This can improve the experience for assistive technology users by hiding: | |
| 20:14 | - purely decorative content, such as icons or images | |
| 20:14 | thd | Having worked with people using screen readers, anything to reduce the auditory noise in screen reading should be done. |
| 20:14 | tuxayo | - duplicated content, such as repeated text |
| 20:14 | - offscreen or collapsed content, such as menus | |
| 20:14 | cait | so if we have an edit button that is labelled added with a pencil icon,.. we don't need the icon |
| 20:15 | tcohen | and what about role="button" and aria-label? |
| 20:15 | oleonard | ....and if we have an icon which is the entire control (no label) we can add aria-label to the <button> or <a> to convey more meaning |
| 20:16 | tcohen: Are you asking about adding guidelines for those attributes? | |
| 20:16 | tcohen | yes |
| 20:16 | I had to read the whole docs to understand cait's QA concern | |
| 20:16 | and my conclusion was we should also add those | |
| 20:16 | but I ain't no expert in the area | |
| 20:17 | oleonard | tcohen: Nor I, but let's do one thing at a time. |
| 20:17 | tcohen | agreex |
| 20:17 | tuxayo | How would the guideline looklike? |
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| 20:17 | tuxayo | «Decorative HTML element should have aria-hidden="true"» |
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| 20:18 | thd | A user interface which works well with screen readers is difficult to find. 1990s style user interfaces work best with screen readers in my experience. |
| 20:18 | oleonard | thd please file bugs if you know of areas where we can improve |
| 20:20 | cait | thd: we had a blind staff person for a while, koha is not super bad from what i was told |
| 20:20 | can still improve tho :) | |
| 20:20 | screen readers can do a lot nowadays, i was worried when we started to do more ajax in circ, but it worked | |
| 20:20 | tuxayo | «aria-label should be used on elements that have a function but no text. Like icons» |
| 20:20 | oleonard | tuxayo: I think the guideline should talk specifically of font-awesome icons since that's the most commonly-encountered case in our templates |
| 20:20 | tuxayo | okay |
| 20:20 | thd | oleonard: I am not visiting these people currently because of COVID but part of the problem is how the screen reading software is set to work. I was not working with people experienced at setting screen reading software. |
| 20:21 | ashimema[m] | it's imminently UK legislation that we abide by aaa accessability guidelines.. reaching that is less than trivial though.. and need regular testing to ensure we hit it.. |
| 20:21 | tcohen | Owen |
| 20:21 | oleonard do you volunteer to put the words for this on the coding guidelines? | |
| 20:22 | (sorry) | |
| 20:22 | oleonard | Sure |
| 20:22 | thd | Koha is definitely not bad for screen readers. Popular webmail is bad and constantly becoming worse. |
| 20:22 | oleonard | thd: GMail at least is constantly becoming worse for all of us! |
| 20:22 | davidnind | as an aside, the WAVE extension for browsers is reasonably good for testing accessibility issues https://wave.webaim.org/extension/ |
| 20:23 | * ashimema[m] | is about to embark on working through all header tags in the opac to mke sure they are in ascending order... |
| 20:23 | * tuxayo | wonder how feasible doing some signoffs using a screenreader would be. |
| 20:23 | cait | if you are not trained probabl yhard |
| 20:23 | i listened in on some of it when we did testing | |
| 20:24 | tuxayo | Do we have a place to note resources about testing and devolving accessibility? |
| 20:24 | cait | quite interesting tho - she has a sign-off in codebase too :) |
| 20:24 | tuxayo | Like for the tool davidnind mentioned. |
| 20:24 | > if you are not trained probabl yhard | |
| 20:24 | Indeed. | |
| 20:24 | cait | not yet i think |
| 20:24 | tuxayo | documentation team? |
| 20:24 | ^^ | |
| 20:25 | Anything known? | |
| 20:25 | ashimema[m] | sounds like something to add to the dev handbook |
| 20:25 | tuxayo | There is a dev handbook? :o |
| 20:25 | ashimema[m] | I'd love to see more guidelines generally for accessability. |
| 20:26 | tcohen | There's one on the wiki |
| 20:26 | ashimema[m] | and more automated testing wherever we can |
| 20:26 | tuxayo | I know my next bed-reading. |
| 20:26 | tcohen | and khall started one on github we could resurrect |
| 20:26 | ashimema[m] | it needs lot of updating |
| 20:26 | tcohen | I would prefer markdown on gitlab for this honestly |
| 20:26 | davidnind | Interesting, 9 errors on the staff interface home page, and 1 contrast error |
| 20:26 | tuxayo | > and khall started one on github |
| 20:26 | A dev handbook? | |
| 20:27 | oleonard | Lots of contrast errors with the OPAC unfortunately. Makes me consider adding some kind of "high contrast" option |
| 20:27 | tcohen | he wanted to start onw |
| 20:27 | one | |
| 20:27 | https://github.com/kylemhall/k[…]velopers-handbook | |
| 20:27 | it is empty hehe | |
| 20:27 | tuxayo | ^^ |
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| 20:28 | oleonard | The real developers handbook can only be found within yourself after a spiritual journey |
| 20:28 | tuxayo | Quote! |
| 20:29 | tcohen | #actions aria-hidden="true" for FontAwesome icons is approved without objections and oleonard volunteered to write the coding guidelines entry. We will review the wording on the next dev meeting |
| 20:29 | ashimema[m] | shall we start wrapping this up |
| 20:29 | davidnind | err, don't look at the catalog folks (16 errors with two search results, and lots of low contrast errors) |
| 20:29 | * ashimema[m] | is geting tired |
| 20:29 | cait | i think we need dev docs.. but not sure we need another way of doing things |
| 20:29 | could be using the manual software be an option? | |
| 20:30 | we could add dev docs on next meeting sagenda | |
| 20:30 | davidnind | I have a plan, I just need a plan to finish the plan! |
| 20:30 | ashimema[m] | I was just suggesting cleaning up whats in the wiki |
| 20:30 | tuxayo | Is there something wrong with the wiki version of the book? |
| 20:30 | davidnind | cait++ |
| 20:30 | cait | yes, hat woudl be a good start too |
| 20:30 | but i tihk scattering more and more syntaxed is not going to help :) | |
| 20:30 | move on? | |
| 20:30 | tcohen | yes |
| 20:30 | I already wrote the action on this item | |
| 20:30 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 20:30 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 6 May 2020) | |
| 20:31 | tcohen | need help with this |
| 20:31 | tuxayo | > yes, hat woudl be a good start too |
| 20:31 | I though a dev handbook existed in the wiki. | |
| 20:31 | * tuxayo | is getting tired also. |
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| 20:32 | * tuxayo | is getting tired also. |
| 20:32 | tcohen | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]velopers_Handbook |
| 20:32 | tuxayo | oops |
| 20:32 | ashimema[m] | release is aimed at 22nd |
| 20:32 | tuxayo | tcohen++ |
| 20:32 | tcohen | #info the 20.05 release is aimed at 22nd |
| 20:33 | ashimema[m] | if we stuck to the 2 week cycle, dev meeting would be 20th |
| 20:33 | tcohen | is there a special syntax for this? |
| 20:33 | so the script catches it? | |
| 20:34 | ashimema[m] | Next meeting: 20 May 2020, 14 UTC |
| 20:34 | how does that sound? | |
| 20:35 | tcohen.. the last #info wit the above syntax wins | |
| 20:35 | tcohen | #info Next meeting: 20 May 2020, 14 UTC |
| 20:35 | thanks | |
| 20:35 | :-D | |
| 20:35 | thank you all | |
| 20:35 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:35 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:35 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed May 6 20:35:42 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:35 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-06-19.10.html | |
| 20:35 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]0-05-06-19.10.txt | |
| 20:35 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]06-19.10.log.html | |
| 20:35 | davidnind | tcohen++ |
| 20:36 | oleonard | tcohen++ |
| 20:36 | tuxayo | tcohen++ |
| 20:36 | ++all | |
| 20:36 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 20:36 | tuxayo | For being here :D |
| 20:37 | tcohen | koha++ |
| 20:37 | :-D | |
| 20:37 | ashimema[m] | tcohen++ |
| 20:37 | thanks everyone | |
| 20:37 | tcohen | Joubu++ # for helping me with bug 25279 |
| 20:37 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25279 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Make the cities list use the API |
| 20:37 | ashimema[m] | ) |
| 20:38 | yeay.. well done getting that one through guys. | |
| 20:38 | tcohen | I'm almost done with 25288 |
| 20:38 | bug 25288 | |
| 20:38 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25288 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make the libraries list use the API |
| 20:38 | ashimema[m] | I shall be pushing a few last bits through tomorrow once I see Jenkins is happily testing agaim |
| 20:38 | hehe | |
| 20:38 | tuxayo | yay :D |
| 20:38 | tcohen | the only problem is where to put the HTML escaping function |
| 20:39 | as the one we have in staff-global.js | |
| 20:39 | ashimema[m] | and on that note.. I is heading to bed.. been a loong day |
| 20:39 | tcohen | only works for strings... |
| 20:39 | rest well ashimema[m] ! | |
| 20:39 | we need the RM healthy! | |
| 20:39 | tuxayo | ashimema: So you have the right to a short day tomorrow. Rest well! |
| 20:40 | > we need the RM healthy! | |
| 20:40 | yup, for a good release, it's imperative! | |
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| 20:43 | oleonard | Thank you cait for suggesting what is now Bug 25402 back in 2012 :| |
| 20:43 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=25402 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Put OPAC cart download options into dropdown menu |
| 20:43 | cait | huh? |
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| 20:44 | cait | what did I do? |
| 20:44 | oleonard | You suggested the idea for Bug 25402 back in 2012 in a comment on Bug 9073 |
| 20:44 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9073 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Download option from the cart should match the menu button in lists |
| 20:44 | cait | oh, that was good, right? |
| 20:44 | but even better if i had filed it :) | |
| 20:45 | oleonard | When I wrote the bug report today I thought it was a new idea |
| 20:45 | tuxayo | oleonard: How did you find cait's comment? |
| 20:45 | cait | ok, I'll confess |
| 20:45 | tuxayo-read-only left #koha | |
| 20:45 | cait | I time travelled to make it look like you stole my idea |
| 20:46 | oleonard | tuxayo: Bugzilla suggested 9073 as a possible duplicate so I took a look |
| 20:46 | tuxayo | Wow, nice! |
| 20:46 | It even found by a comment | |
| 20:47 | cait | bugzilla++ :) |
| 20:47 | tcohen | @seen dcook |
| 20:47 | huginn | tcohen: dcook was last seen in #koha 6 days, 8 hours, 4 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: * dcook waves to TimothyAlexis and goes to bed |
| 20:47 | tuxayo | cait: can you do that and send future versions of Koha in the past? That would be a great help :D |
| 20:48 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1313: STILL FAILING in 4 min 20 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1313/ |
| 20:48 | cait | that would probably make someone disappear |
| 20:48 | not gonna risk it | |
| 20:49 | oleonard | If only we knew who would disappear... |
| 20:49 | cait | heh |
| 20:52 | tuxayo | cait: ho, you are right! |
| 20:53 | @karma | |
| 20:53 | huginn | tuxayo: Highest karma: "Joubu" (836), "cait" (794), and "oleonard" (512). Lowest karma: "-" (-61), "failed" (-43), and "ie" (-38). You (tuxayo) are ranked 54 out of 1026. |
| 20:54 | tuxayo | I would be fine with ie disappearing. |
| 20:54 | however "-" could have terrible side effects. | |
| 20:54 | davidnind | “People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.” ― Steven Moffat |
| 20:56 | And another: “Shh! Listen! Someone’s coming! I think — I think it might be us!” ― J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban | |
| 20:56 | tuxayo | :o |
| 20:57 | davidnind | on that note, I'm off - have a great whatever time it is for you :) |
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| 20:58 | hayley | best two quotes davidnind |
| 20:58 | oh missed him | |
| 20:59 | tuxayo | «Steven Moffat: He is best known for his work as showrunner, writer, and executive producer of two BBC One series: the science fiction television series |
| 20:59 | Doctor Who and the contemporary crime drama television series Sherlock» | |
| 20:59 | That gives more context to the quote ^^ | |
| 20:59 | tcohen | @later tell mtj I cannot seem to write on /mnt/nfs/jenkins, if I could we could unlock your server so it runs (say) 4 tasks simultaneously |
| 20:59 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 21:02 | hayley | yep tuxayo it's a doctor who quote |
| 21:08 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.11_D9 build #124: FAILURE in 7 min 52 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_19.11_D9/124/ |
| 21:08 | ashimema[m] | @karma |
| 21:08 | huginn | ashimema[m]: Highest karma: "Joubu" (836), "cait" (794), and "oleonard" (512). Lowest karma: "-" (-61), "failed" (-43), and "ie" (-38). You (ashimema[m]) are ranked 64 out of 1026. |
| 21:08 | ashimema[m] | Wow..my karma has dropped.. bad rm |
| 21:09 | Karma? | |
| 21:15 | cait | that's only because of [m] |
| 21:15 | @karma ashimema | |
| 21:15 | huginn | cait: Karma for "ashimema" has been increased 491 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 491. |
| 21:15 | cait | see |
| 21:15 | go to sleep ;) | |
| 21:16 | ashimema[m] | karma ashimema |
| 21:16 | wahanui | ashimema has karma of 292 |
| 21:17 | tuxayo | We have 3 karma trackers?! |
| 21:17 | ashimema[m] | @karma ashimema |
| 21:17 | huginn | ashimema[m]: Karma for "ashimema" has been increased 491 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 491. |
| 21:17 | ashimema[m] | Stupid [m] |
| 21:17 | I know of two.. what stage third? | |
| 21:18 | tuxayo | @karma ashimema[m] |
| 21:18 | huginn | tuxayo: ashimema I've exhausted my database of quotes has neutral karma. |
| 21:18 | tuxayo | !karma |
| 21:18 | AnnaBoten | Highest karma: "tcohen" (1), "kidclamp" (1), and "sev_q" (1). Lowest karma: "tcohen" (1), "kidclamp" (1), and "sev_q" (1). |
| 21:18 | tuxayo | !karma ashimema |
| 21:18 | AnnaBoten | Karma for "ashimema" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 21:18 | ashimema[m] | Lol |
| 21:18 | Wow | |
| 21:19 | Three | |
| 21:19 | !karma tuxayo | |
| 21:19 | AnnaBoten | tuxayo has neutral karma. |
| 21:19 | ashimema[m] | !tuxayo++ |
| 21:20 | AnnaBoten | tuxayo's karma is now 1 |
| 21:20 | tuxayo | > Highest karma tco kid sev |
| 21:20 | ashimema[m] | !karma tuxayo |
| 21:20 | tuxayo | > Lowest karma tco kid sev |
| 21:20 | he he | |
| 21:20 | AnnaBoten | Karma for "tuxayo" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 21:20 | tuxayo | !karma |
| 21:20 | AnnaBoten | Highest karma: "tcohen" (1), "kidclamp" (1), and "sev_q" (1). Lowest karma: "tcohen" (1), "kidclamp" (1), and "sev_q" (1). You (tuxayo) are ranked 1 out of 6. |
| 21:20 | ashimema[m] | Blimey |
| 21:20 | tuxayo | first! |
| 21:21 | ashimema[m] | Zzzzzzz |
| 21:21 | Nighty night | |
| 21:21 | tuxayo | o/ |
| 21:21 | cait | i think AnnaBoten sneaked in from Biblibre's chat? not sure where she is counting :) |
| 21:21 | tuxayo | @karma "ashimema[m]" |
| 21:21 | huginn | tuxayo: Karma for "ashimema[m]" has been increased 14 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 14. |
| 21:22 | tuxayo | Ok let's transfert. |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:22 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:23 | ashimema++ | |
| 21:25 | We gotta pay accurately our RM with magical internet points. | |
| 21:25 | Couldn't find how to how to set the karma of [m] to 0. So no cheating! | |
| 21:26 | cait: karma is unique to each room. In AnnaBoten 's software at least. | |
| 21:26 | wahanui | is unique to each room. in annaboten 's software at least. has neutral karma |
| 21:27 | cait | but she has very low values and i think tcohen got more karma in the meeting than she lists |
| 21:27 | tuxayo | Ho, that's how huginn is learning stuff! |
| 21:27 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]0-05-06#i_2243846 | |
| 21:27 | cait | she seems picky at what she counts |
| 21:28 | hm? | |
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| 21:28 | tuxayo | The syntax is "!cait++" and nobody uses that here. That's why there are less that ten people with karma |
| 21:28 | cait | ah i see |
| 21:29 | tuxayo | !karma cait |
| 21:29 | AnnaBoten | cait has neutral karma. |
| 21:29 | tuxayo | !cait++ |
| 21:29 | AnnaBoten | cait's karma is now 1 |
| 21:29 | tuxayo | There is still room in the first rank :D |
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