IRC log for #koha, 2020-03-17

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07:47 * ashimema giggles after reading last night's scrollback
07:47 ashimema Morning all
07:48 +1 for removing guided reports.. and perhaps pushing for better support in mana reports.. i.e. all the enhancements we suggested last hackfest starting to move
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07:51 reiveune hello
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07:55 alex_a Bonjour
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08:10 magnuse \o/
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09:32 ashimema anyone know of any documentation on our existing timezone handling?
09:33 as in.. what level of support we suggest we have.. can a library have branches in multiple timezones for example.. are we consistently supporting the library being in one timezone and their server being in another
09:33 the code around it is cryptic
09:37 Joubu ashimema: there is the 'timezone' config
09:37 ashimema indeed..
09:37 but what is it's intention ;)
09:37 eythian cait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]&feature=youtu.be
09:37 Joubu So theorically you can have several instances on the same server
09:37 ashimema I'm not seeing any documentation about it.
09:37 Joubu with different tz
09:38 ashimema we have allot of places where you can type in datetime when only the date resolution is really used..
09:41 Joubu https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]one_Configuration
09:41 https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20123
09:41 huginn Bug 20123: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, CLOSED FIXED, Allow multiple instances of Koha to have different timezones on the same server
09:41 Joubu that's all we have
09:41 ashimema aha.. thanks
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10:16 ashimema offline_circ/service.pl seems to be the only place where timezone is sent to dt_from_string
10:17 feels like we should drop that use and kill off the param to me
10:19 interestingly it does the fix I was aiming to put into DateUtils..
10:20 converting from 'client' time (which is always UTC in KOCT) into the configured instance time
10:32 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
10:32 Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1212: FIXED in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1212/
10:34 cait ashimema: sorry, not sure i can contribute anything to that line of thought
10:37 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #756: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/756/
10:45 ashimema now I can't seem to get an hourly loan to work
10:45 grr
10:47 cait breath
10:47 what''s the issue?
10:48 ashimema I wasn't specific enough in my circ rule
10:48 think I've got it now.. just testing
10:49 aha.. there we go :)
10:49 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
10:49 Project Koha_Master_U18 build #677: FIXED in 52 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/677/
10:50 ashimema for extenting due dates, bug 24608..
10:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24608 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Failed QA , Allow modification of checkout due date
10:51 ashimema should you be able to specify a time due for a daily loan..
10:51 that makes no sense to me
10:51 cait i think you should
10:51 as you can do that when you use specify due date
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10:57 ashimema but when you specify a due date at checkout you don't yet know the circ rule that's going to apply so you don't know if it's an hourly loan or a daily loan yet..
10:57 cait ?
10:58 ashimema so you can't limit the due date input picker at checkout.. but you can at renewal and update because you already know the loan time.. hourly or daily
10:58 cait i might be misunderstnading the bug you work on... but specify due date allows you to set a date before checkout and this allows you to modify after
10:58 in both cases we don't check circ rules, don't we?
10:58 why would you want to limit?
10:58 ashimema do we just pass in whatevr time they put in then...
10:58 wow
10:59 cait well it has to be a valid date/time
10:59 and it can be in the past, which is intentional and gerat for testing
10:59 ashimema mmm
10:59 except for a 'daily' loan anything except 23:59 should be invalid ;)
11:00 interesting...
11:00 this bug doesn't allow you to set a date before the original due date.. and I think that's right for this bug
11:00 but that's another thing entirely
11:01 what I'm trying to fix is Joubu's comment regarding having his timezone differnt in the client compared to the server..
11:01 but actually.. what I've found is that for API use we always destroy timezone data which is weird
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11:06 cait timezones?
11:06 oh wahanui, you disappoint
11:06 ... because you are nothere
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12:47 magnuse wizzyrea!
12:47 oleonard Hello
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13:00 oleonard If I were to change the way report groups and subgroups were selected, what would be a reasonable amount of subgroups to expect to accommodate? Anyone know of any extreme examples?
13:01 cait not for us
13:01 we only got a handful, maybe you need someone consortia
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13:54 magnuse oleonard: i have never seen anyone use subgroups
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13:58 oleonard Ha. Maybe I can make them more usable
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14:00 oleonard Thinking about (roughly) something like this: https://zivotdesign.com/p/view[…]?p=15844535677735
14:03 magnuse yeah, that looks good!
14:04 ashimema: after doing "git pull" for the first time in a while i got complaints about a missing libemail-messageid-perl and had to install it myself. is that to be expected?
14:06 ashimema what apt repo are you tracking?
14:06 unstable or nightly?
14:06 the nightlies are broken.. mirko's server is out of space so they've not been building properly in many months
14:06 and how do you manage your dependancies when you do a git pull
14:06 do you apt install koha-perldeps?
14:07 or koha-common or anything..
14:07 only using those to update packages will pull all the listed dependancies
14:07 cait oleonard: i like it :)
14:07 maybe ... if more than x
14:07 ?
14:07 but could be a lot more
14:08 ashimema nice
14:12 cait oleonard: it would be nice to test with a bit longer 'group names'
14:12 the english ones tend to be all very short, but our gemran ones can get longer
14:12 Serials = Zeitschriftenverwaltung (worst case)
14:18 oleonard https://www.thoughtco.com/long[…]the-world-4061494
14:22 magnuse Krankenhaus!
14:23 ashimema: sorry, guess i didn't do apt-get upgrade. nm
14:29 ashimema no worries
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15:10 ashimema is anyone qaing bug 24846
15:10 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24846 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Add a tool to bulk edit due dates
15:13 andrew__ I can't QA it, @ashimema, but I saw it and it's great! nice thinking, very timely
15:16 ashimema indeed..
15:16 I'll QA it quickly as I'd love to see it in the next release
15:17 but only if no-one else can take a look.. I like to keep the qa step in there as much as I can..
15:17 else we're removing checks.. and I know I'm not perfect.. the more eyes on these things the better
15:18 * ashimema runs to get kids from school
15:18 ashimema oops
15:19 Joubu I'd like someone that had to deal with that in a real-life situation
15:19 to make sure it deals with the different cases
15:26 caroline for real life situation, maybe ask vfernandes. they asked for that last week because all libraries in portugal are closed for two weeks
15:35 cait we update issues.date_due and items.on_loan
15:36 2 questions we had were about renewal notices (some want to send, others don't) and incrementing the renewal counter (we don't, but didn't get asked)
15:37 also people only want to get updates on due dates between x and y (nto the real old ones with fines and not the super future ones )
15:37 i think when renewing items with fines, you need to do more things, we have avoided that (only updating iissues due today or in the future)
15:38 but it hink your feature probably uses internal functions?
15:38 ashimema: / Joubu - ^ hope that's helpful
15:41 all librareis closing now here i think
15:42 Joubu cait: the feature only update the due date in the DB, without dealing with fines or anything else
15:43 cait i am not sure of the consequences if you have an verdue item with an fu fine
15:43 then change the due date ... it gets overdue again
15:43 but it might keep updating the fu fine instead of the f fine?
15:43 hm
15:43 that was not quite right
15:43 i mean we are missing what usually happens on rnew - fu > f (or wahtever they are called now in master)
15:44 to avoid issues we have asked the libraries to update already overdue manually
15:44 got to go now - will be back from home tomorrow
15:45 or later :)
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15:46 oleonard hash tag nofines
15:49 caroline +1 ^
15:50 ashimema I'll take a look.. we have also been doing this already in real life and that's where our original description of the bug came from ;)
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16:50 ashimema bug 24722
16:50 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24722 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , reserves.priority must be NOT NULL
16:50 ashimema do we not need to catch and update existing NULLs before it'll allow us to conver to NOT NULL
16:50 Joubu ^
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18:28 Joubu ashimema: we could, but that should not exist
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18:31 ashimema shouldn't.. but iy bet it does ;)
18:31 * shouldn't.. but it bet it does ;)
18:32 I'm sure there was a SIP bug recently that put reserves in with NULLs
18:32 maybe I'm mis-remembering
18:32 cait hm no i seem to remember that too
18:34 lisettelatah Was that bug 24680
18:34 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24680 minor, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Pushed to master , Hold modification endpoints don't always work properly
18:35 ashimema bug 24705 perhaps
18:35 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24705 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Holds placed via SIP will be given first priority
18:36 ashimema Prior to that patch SIP called AddReserve without a priority at all
18:38 yup.. looking at AddReserve it looks like we could have ended up with NULLs in there before now.
18:38 so we should deal with them
18:38 fancy doing a followup or I can have a go later this evening once I've walked the dog and got the girls to bed
18:39 thanks team
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19:59 corilynn oleonard, are you here?
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20:01 corilynn or, anyone that can help me with kohadevbox ?
20:02 I'm getting a failure message on this step: kohadevbox : Install Koha | Add official Koha repository (repo)
20:12 cait hm it looks like the https on git.koha-community.org might not be ok right now
20:12 maybe that could cause it?
20:12 hm ok, that might be a wrong lead
20:12 my link was odd
20:12 doe sit just hang or is there some error?
20:13 oleonard corilynn, I'm here now
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20:13 * cait will leave it to oleonard
20:13 * oleonard has had good luck with koha-testing-docker lately after kohadevbox started failing again
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20:39 mja Hey everyone, I got this report from the SQL reports library: it's supposed to find records with a specific MARC field. Is there a way to change it so it grabs bib records WITHOUT a specific MARC field? Even better, without several given MARC fields?
20:39 SELECT     biblionumber,     CONCAT('<a href=\"/cgi-bin/koha/catalog​ue/detail.pl?biblionumber=', biblionumber, '\">', biblionumber, '</a>' ) AS link FROM     biblio_metadata WHERE     ExtractValue(metadata,'//datafield/@tag') REGEXP <<MARC field>>
20:44 cait mja: i usually use something like =""
20:44 ExtractValue(metadata,'//datafield/@tag' = ""
20:45 that is 'not exists' as it will come back with an empty string
20:45 ExtractValue(metadata,'//datafield/@tag' is not quite right, you need to fix that
20:45 examples are in the library
20:45 mja Thanks. I did pull this directly from the library, though.. maybe it's an older one?
20:46 cait maybe it's meant as an example
20:46 so you are supposed to change the extractvalue bit
20:48 corilynn sorry, oleonard, boss lady called
20:48 is there anyway to get kohadevbox working? something about ansible?
20:48 oleonard Sounds like a hilarious Dilbert scenario if I ever heard one
20:49 corilynn I could go on...
20:49 oleonard corilynn: Paste the output that shows the failure? http://paste.koha-community.org/
20:49 corilynn I'm getting an error for vagrant up at kohadevbox : Install Koha | Add official
20:49 yes
20:51 did that work?
20:51 http://paste.koha-community.org/19076
20:53 oleonard corilynn are you on Windows?
20:53 corilynn no, ubuntu
20:53 with no UI (don't ask, it's a long story)
20:54 oleonard Sorry corilynn I've dealt with a number of kohadevbox issues before but this one doesn't look familiar
20:55 corilynn where would "apt cache update" be?
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22:15 koha-jenkins Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #269: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/269/
22:22 Yippee, build fixed!
22:22 Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #268: FIXED in 32 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/268/
22:25 Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #258: STILL UNSTABLE in 34 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/258/
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