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| 00:24 | hayley | hey kathryn are you around? :) |
| 00:24 | kathryn | yup! |
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| 07:39 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:47 | magnuse | bonojur reiveune et #koha! |
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| 07:56 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 10:05 | mifantrax | Hi everyone, i need some help and guidance, we have setup access to catalog after login, we use 2 authentication methods, username and password or google openid, when a patron opens a direct link to an item and authenticates with username and password they get to the item itself however with openid they get redirected to the opac main page |
| 10:05 | how could this be solved | |
| 10:05 | Thank a lot! | |
| 10:05 | nlegrand | morgn |
| 10:06 | Joubu | mifantrax: double check the value of the system preferences OPACBaseURL |
| 10:07 | mifantrax | it is correct, thank you, searching through similar issues that has seemed to be a common issue but it is setup correctly |
| 10:08 | this is my value | |
| 10:08 | https://library.tcmi.edu | |
| 10:09 | it had to be set correctly to make openidwork | |
| 10:14 | Joubu | I think it's a bug. Could you open a bug report? |
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| 10:17 | cait | hm we are noticing more andmore problems with /Locale::Currency::Format |
| 10:17 | I've emailed the author ages ago but nver heard back... any chance we could replace it? | |
| 10:18 | it just printed rounded fines into notices... | |
| 10:18 | it's used for the formatting of items.fines in overdue notices | |
| 10:19 | Joubu | you should not get a different behavior than before, the module has not been updated since 2015 |
| 10:20 | ashimema[m] | indeed |
| 10:20 | cait | debian update |
| 10:20 | ashimema[m] | I was just thinking that |
| 10:20 | cait | the problem started exactly the day after our debian update - went unnoticed for a while |
| 10:20 | i think we caught the newest version then | |
| 10:21 | but don't have a reference server to check | |
| 10:21 | ashimema[m] | grr.. no Changes file :( |
| 10:21 | Joubu | we should actually use the way we format price in the template |
| 10:21 | cait | i think i know where the error is actually |
| 10:21 | but it doesn't help... because i can't fix it | |
| 10:21 | https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug[…]lay.html?id=71623 | |
| 10:21 | Joubu | Koha::Number::Price, that use Number::Format |
| 10:21 | and use the default currency defined in Koha | |
| 10:22 | cait | TRY has frac_len = 0, which turns into "round to 0 decimal" |
| 10:22 | i think it would be good to have only one way doing things | |
| 10:22 | overall | |
| 10:22 | we also have had to add "false currency codes" because some of the currencies have the wrong symbol | |
| 10:23 | but therounding is especially annoying - working around it now by adding invalid iso codes | |
| 10:23 | not nice | |
| 10:23 | ashimema[m] | I could probably get you a maintainer bit on that module if you like cait ;) |
| 10:23 | it falls under most of the guidlines for how to take over a module | |
| 10:23 | cait | the module is not overly complicated, someone who accepts changes woudl be nice |
| 10:24 | ashimema[m] | there's no repo for it linked on metacpan :( |
| 10:25 | interestingly though.. it's fairly high up the cpan river :( | |
| 10:26 | cait | yeah i ws looking into doing a merge/pull request |
| 10:26 | i don't remember it having an issue tracker last time either - but there is now one | |
| 10:27 | ashimema[m] | well.. it's had one for a while given that the bug you hughligted was reported 8 years ago |
| 10:27 | want me to ask mst for a commit bit? | |
| 10:29 | cait | maybe i missed it back then |
| 10:30 | not sure what that is | |
| 10:30 | ashimema[m] | it's in effect becoming a second author on the module.. gaining permission to take it over for maintanence |
| 10:30 | I've asked him to remind me what the process is.. | |
| 10:31 | cait | i am not sure i could manage it - but i can report our known bugs once this is moving forward |
| 10:31 | i am not sure about the rounding issue - but the wrong smbols would be a really easy fix | |
| 10:32 | ashimema[m] | ooh.. Lars used to contribute to it |
| 10:32 | he may already have permission.. I can check that | |
| 10:32 | nope.. he doesn't | |
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| 10:48 | cait | going out for lunch for a bit, will be back later |
| 10:48 | let me know if I can do something | |
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| 11:53 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 11:53 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
| 11:56 | tcohen | where's calire |
| 11:56 | wahanui | well, calire is playing with jquery to keep myself awake XD |
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| 12:00 | vfernandes | hi #koha |
| 12:04 | magnuse | i bet calire is eating cake! |
| 12:04 | cait | she might |
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| 12:56 | vfernandes | any idea how to put ES indexing running in background? |
| 12:56 | batch actions are too slow... | |
| 13:01 | update_index_brackground method in Koha::SearchEngine::Elasticsearch::Indexer points to update_index | |
| 13:03 | update_index waits until indexing is finished | |
| 13:03 | we need to create some mecanism to improve this methods | |
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| 13:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:22 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 13:22 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
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| 13:36 | eythian | hi oleopard |
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| 14:06 | caroline_catlady | hi everyone! |
| 14:07 | oleonard | Hi caroline_catlady |
| 14:20 | magnuse | hiya caroline_catlady and oleonard |
| 14:24 | kohaputti | ashimema[m], I don't have the skills to re-implement locking for Bug 13193 so if I'm going to do something it should be debian packaging. Have you heard anything from Mirko? |
| 14:24 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13193 critical, P3, ---, joonas.kylmala, ASSIGNED , Make Memcached usage fork safe |
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| 14:28 | caroline_catlady | I just got a message on the French (from France) translation mailing list saying they don't see their translations in the manual, do we know if bernardo has implemented the automatic updates? |
| 14:28 | I admit I'm a biut out of the loop on that particular issue | |
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| 14:46 | ashimema[m] | which manual (koha version), and when did they look and when did they do their translations |
| 14:46 | caroline_catlady | yup, waiting for that info and I will let you know as soon as I have an answer |
| 14:47 | ashimema[m] | my understanding is that the language get built nightly but only published on bernardo's server which isn't linked to from anywhere so you have to know it exists.. |
| 14:47 | caroline_catlady | aaah... |
| 14:47 | ashimema[m] | as for pushing those changes to the public manual, that's a manual process of merging in the changes at release time still.. which may not have happened since they translated. |
| 14:48 | what I'd like to see if the public manuals receive the nightly translations whenever anything changes | |
| 14:48 | there's an ongoing discussion in a gitlab issue I believe | |
| 14:48 | caroline_catlady | ok... should all language administrators be able to push the manual changes? |
| 14:49 | I know the france team do translating sessions regularly | |
| 14:49 | maybe they could push after the session | |
| 14:49 | (they had one session on Monday, so I think that's where the complaint is from) | |
| 14:50 | ashimema[m] | we should automate it rather than asking them to do it |
| 14:51 | caroline_catlady | I agree |
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| 14:52 | ashimema[m] | https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]-manual/issues/13 |
| 14:52 | see that thread for details of where we're currently at | |
| 14:52 | I think we're very nearly there.. just needs some final chasing through but I've lost track of who needs chasing to do what | |
| 14:53 | you can of course just go ahead and do a manual merge this once to get it updated and keep your person happy | |
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| 14:53 | cait | i think we stil didn't fully agree on how to |
| 14:54 | caroline_crazycatlady | bbl |
| 14:54 | cait | if we want something quick... we could just have Bernardo push his generated files to the website storage |
| 14:55 | so we would show his until we figure out how to do it from the main manual repo | |
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| 16:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:07 | oleonard | tcohen around? |
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| 16:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 16:24 | oleonard | Hi mtompset, been a while |
| 16:25 | mtompset | It has. |
| 16:25 | Just upgraded koha -- finally. | |
| 16:25 | but plugins seem to be half-broken? | |
| 16:25 | It uploads the plug. | |
| 16:25 | but then it says no plugins are installed. | |
| 16:25 | and the plugins-data table is empty. | |
| 16:26 | finding kpz's to test is a pain. | |
| 16:26 | oleonard | mtompset: I tried that recently and found errors in the log which suggested the plugin was the problem |
| 16:26 | caroline_catlady | https://koha-resources.inlibro.net/ |
| 16:27 | to find plugins ^ | |
| 16:27 | oleonard | That's neat caroline_catlady ! |
| 16:27 | caroline_catlady | :) |
| 16:27 | Not everything's in there yet, but getting there | |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | would you consider it a bug to require a notice for every transport in use, otherwise the script stops? |
| 16:28 | oleonard | mtompset: I tried to add the Koha MARC Record Checker and it didn't work |
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| 16:31 | mtompset | okay... cover flow installed and lists. |
| 16:31 | So I guess it really is if the plug in is busted. | |
| 16:32 | caroline_catlady++ # thanks for that link. | |
| 16:32 | caroline_catlady | +1 |
| 16:33 | mtompset | do we have a koha-conf upgrade script? |
| 16:33 | something that would allow you to pluck missing xpaths into your existing koha-conf. | |
| 16:33 | and show differences for existing ones. | |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | i thought magnuse had something like that |
| 16:36 | mtompset | really? That would be handy to know about. |
| 16:36 | I just upgraded from 3.20 to 19.05 | |
| 16:38 | * oleonard | gets sympathetic whiplash |
| 16:40 | mtompset | the upgrade was bumpy. |
| 16:40 | a field or two didn't get created. | |
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| 16:43 | mtompset | out of curiousity... |
| 16:44 | I think I noticed a strange error in the apache log... | |
| 16:45 | Config variable ${instance} is not defined | |
| 16:49 | ah... that's if plack is enabled. | |
| 16:52 | tcohen | mtompset: MARC checker has an extra dependency that is not pulled automatically by koha-common |
| 16:53 | and there's a install_plugins.pl script in the devel dir | |
| 16:53 | just in case | |
| 16:53 | somehow | |
| 16:53 | it didn't get installed | |
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| 17:01 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 17:02 | tcohen: I'm back on Bug 23501 and have a question if you have a moment | |
| 17:02 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23501 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Drag-and-drop hold reordering in the staff client |
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| 17:14 | tcohen | oleonard: shoot |
| 17:15 | oleonard | The API returns some data which isn't end-user friendly, like borrowernumber and itemnumber. What is the best way to translate that data into something useful? |
| 17:16 | Joubu | :) |
| 17:16 | * oleonard | suspects Joubu has thoughts |
| 17:18 | Joubu | I have been waiting for that answer for years |
| 17:18 | however there is something more or less ready I think, tcohen knows | |
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| 17:54 | * ashimema[m] | seems to remember implementing a re-orderable list somewhere which didn't require full page reloads |
| 17:54 | thinks it might have been stock rotation.. could we not follow that example? | |
| 18:04 | ashimema[m] | It was stock rotation rota stages management |
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| 18:42 | mtompset | Thanks for the ideas/feedback, tcohen. Good to see everyone here. Greetings, Joubu tcohen ashimema[m] |
| 18:42 | Greetings, wizzyrea :) | |
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| 19:20 | wizzyrea | hi :) |
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| 19:54 | mtompset | wheee.... zh, fr, th, and ms! |
| 19:55 | Now to wait for the "My OPAC is the the wrong language now" :) | |
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| 20:09 | Jessedhammu | Where is koha development meet happening??? |
| 20:10 | caroline_catlady | Jessedhammu: it is here, but in an hour |
| 20:10 | ashimema[m] | here |
| 20:10 | in 50 mins.. unless my calendar is wrong | |
| 20:10 | caroline_catlady | 50 minutes, 1 hours... same same but different |
| 20:12 | we scared them | |
| 20:12 | ashimema[m] | seems so |
| 20:13 | hayley | hehe |
| 20:16 | caroline_catlady | ashimema[m]: will you talk again about the cycle? |
| 20:30 | ashimema[m] | only in so much as pointing out the wiki page I started creating to collect ideas and ask for contributions |
| 20:30 | * ashimema[m] | is tired |
| 20:31 | caroline_catlady | ok, thanks! |
| 20:31 | ashimema[m] | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Versioning_-_Next |
| 20:31 | not had a great deal of time to further that | |
| 20:34 | caroline_catlady | I sent the link over to the team to see if they have comments |
| 20:35 | ashimema[m] | ta |
| 20:35 | cait | sorry, going ot miss the meeting today |
| 20:35 | good night! | |
| 20:36 | ashimema[m] | i tried to just distil what was said at the general meeting into bullet points |
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| 21:00 | ashimema[m] | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019 |
| 21:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Dec 18 21:00:45 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_18_december_2019' |
| 21:00 | ashimema[m] | #topic Introductions |
| 21:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:01 | ashimema[m] | Please introduce yourselves with #info to appear in the minutes |
| 21:01 | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK | |
| 21:01 | hayley | #info Hayley Mapley, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ |
| 21:01 | aleisha | #info Aleisha Amohia, Catalyst IT, Wellington NZ |
| 21:01 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington NZ |
| 21:02 | lisettelatah | #info Lisette Scheer, Idaho, USA |
| 21:02 | ashimema[m] | is it not darn early in NZ? |
| 21:02 | aleisha | 10am :) |
| 21:02 | ashimema[m] | welcome along, nice to have you guys |
| 21:03 | hayley | thank you! happy to make it! |
| 21:03 | ashimema[m] | oh, not so bad |
| 21:03 | still nice to have you :) | |
| 21:03 | inlibro | blou: #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro, Montréal |
| 21:04 | ashimema[m] | #topic Announcements |
| 21:04 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:05 | ashimema[m] | #info Stable releases are on their way, thankyou to the new RMaints |
| 21:07 | #info Bugfix only period will be coming to an end shortly, we will start working on pushing enhancements from early January starting with the existing PQA queue and then working through some of the challenging and ambitious bugs.. refactoring efforts for example.. giving us a chance to thoroughly test and fix issues before release | |
| 21:07 | Anyone have anything they'd like to add? | |
| 21:07 | hayley | :) |
| 21:08 | ashimema[m] | #topic Update from the Release manager |
| 21:08 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:09 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #208: FAILURE in 35 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/208/ |
| 21:09 | ashimema[m] | #info Cycle has had a good start, lots of bugs working their way through the SO/QA process, great to see a new name on the QA team :) |
| 21:10 | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers | |
| 21:10 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:10 | ashimema[m] | rmaints? |
| 21:10 | wahanui | rmaints is fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea |
| 21:10 | ashimema[m] | ooh.. |
| 21:10 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #207: FAILURE in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/207/ |
| 21:10 | ashimema[m] | wahanui forget rmaints |
| 21:10 | wahanui | ashimema[m]: I forgot rmaints |
| 21:11 | ashimema[m] | rmaints is talljoy, lucas, hayley |
| 21:11 | rmaints | |
| 21:11 | * rmaints? | |
| 21:11 | hayley | 18.11 is on track to be packaged up on 20th when I go on holiday and released on 23rd - just ironing out the last failures/instabilities now |
| 21:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #198: FAILURE in 31 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/198/ |
| 21:11 | ashimema[m] | I think it may just be you tonight hayley |
| 21:11 | thanks :) | |
| 21:12 | hayley | please ignore the chaos :) |
| 21:12 | ashimema[m] | #info 18.11 is on track to be packaged up on 20th when I go on holiday and released on 23rd - just ironing out the last failures/instabilities now |
| 21:12 | #info 19.05 and 19.11 are scheduled for release on 23rd too | |
| 21:13 | You're doing great hayley, thanks for taking on the role :) | |
| 21:13 | hayley | thank you ashimema[m] I have had a lot of support so thank you everyone :) |
| 21:13 | davidnind | Is packaging going to cause any problems for the maintenance releases? |
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| 21:14 | ashimema[m] | good question |
| 21:14 | I've not seen any replies from mirko.. have you hayley? | |
| 21:14 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #209: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/209/ |
| 21:14 | hayley | no I haven't, have not been in tough with him yet however |
| 21:15 | *touch | |
| 21:15 | ashimema[m] | he was copied into the scheduling round robin |
| 21:15 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #208: STILL FAILING in 32 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/208/ |
| 21:15 | ashimema[m] | mtj around? |
| 21:16 | hayley | jenkins is having issues... |
| 21:17 | oh then no ashimema[m] no reply from him yet | |
| 21:18 | ashimema[m] | #info Maintanence packaging may be delayed as we'e not managed to contact the packaging manager, tarballs will be available on the 23rd with packages to follow |
| 21:18 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 21:18 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:19 | hayley | @later tell tcohen hi, are you able to take a look at jenkins? it is having issues: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]iew/Koha%2018.11/ |
| 21:19 | huginn | hayley: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:19 | hayley | sorry for the interruptions ashimema[m] :) |
| 21:19 | ashimema[m] | #info Katrin sends her apologies, not feeling well this evening |
| 21:19 | I'm happy to take a look at Jenkins too once the meeting is closed ;) | |
| 21:19 | hayley | oh thank you! :D |
| 21:20 | ashimema[m] | #info QA is moving along, lots more to do, but it's nice to see the pace picking up again. |
| 21:20 | * ashimema[m] | is looking forward to well rested QA people in the nw year wo ar super keen to test all the tihngs |
| 21:21 | ashimema[m] | #topic General development discussion |
| 21:21 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:21 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #199: STILL FAILING in 32 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/199/ |
| 21:22 | ashimema[m] | #info So, we raised the idea of shaking up release cycles during the last general meeting.. Please take a look at the minutes and contribute you're thoughts to the wiki page |
| 21:22 | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Versioning_-_Next Cycles Discussion | |
| 21:24 | To summarise, with all the things going on the library world at the moment (FOLIO, Acquisitions and Mergers) I think it's important to swing around and ask ourselves as a community what our strengths and weaknesses are and if we can improve anything. | |
| 21:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #210: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/210/ |
| 21:24 | davidnind | ashimema++ |
| 21:25 | hayley | ashimema[m] sounds good! |
| 21:25 | ashimema[m] | We discusses release cycle cadence, continious integration/deployment practices, expiriment and stabalise and various other practices.. |
| 21:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #209: STILL FAILING in 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/209/ |
| 21:26 | ashimema[m] | conversation to date is summarised on that wiki page, please contribute your thoughts there or catch me here if you want to discus anything with a smaller audience before expanding it to the wider groups. |
| 21:26 | davidnind | always good to have a look around at what other projects are doing, and picking up ideas for improvement |
| 21:26 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #200: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/200/ |
| 21:27 | ashimema[m] | anything you wish to raise regarding dev and documentation davidnind ? |
| 21:27 | as in.. hows the translations processes going.. do we need to tie it down any further... are you waiting on anyone for anything | |
| 21:27 | davidnind | not at this stage, caroline_catlady is adding all the bugs to our task list in taiga |
| 21:27 | ashimema[m] | brill |
| 21:28 | caroline_catlady | it's slower this week at the office, trying to catch up on docs work |
| 21:28 | ashimema[m] | ok.. lets move on then unless anyone else wants to take the floor and raise anything.. now's your chance |
| 21:28 | davidnind | I'll post a summary on the issue about the translation process, and then we need tod ecide what to do I guess |
| 21:29 | caroline_catlady | There was the message from this morning regarding translations |
| 21:29 | (my morning time sorry) | |
| 21:29 | davidnind | should we try and get release note text added once the bug is pushed to master, rather than trying to do all at once nearer the end? |
| 21:29 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #211: STILL FAILING in 34 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/211/ |
| 21:29 | caroline_catlady | +1 |
| 21:30 | * ashimema[m] | did sort of try to do it whilst going along last cycle.. but struggled to keep up |
| 21:30 | davidnind | that helps when working what the issue is about, sometimes it can be hard to work out what the change is about and waht documentation changes are required |
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| 21:30 | ashimema[m] | very good idea to raise it again though. |
| 21:30 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #210: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/210/ |
| 21:30 | ashimema[m] | any thoughts on what to concentrate on with that regard |
| 21:30 | caroline_catlady | I'll try to keep an eye on release notes, and let you know ashimema[m] if there's any bug that should be described more |
| 21:31 | ashimema[m] | in the last release I tried to ensure all new features had a good summary, then I picked as many enahncements as I could get through and finally I went through looking at bugs for preference changes and db changes that would need report updates |
| 21:31 | :) | |
| 21:31 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #201: STILL FAILING in 31 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/201/ |
| 21:31 | caroline_catlady | loved the preferences and reports notes :) |
| 21:31 | ashimema[m] | this sort of ties into the next topic |
| 21:31 | so... | |
| 21:31 | lisettelatah | I try to add release notes as I see things are PQA. If you want to let me know if you think something needs release notes I'm happy to help with that. |
| 21:32 | ashimema[m] | awesome |
| 21:32 | hayley | is there a guide to writing a good release note? |
| 21:32 | davidnind | great! |
| 21:32 | ashimema[m] | hmm.. no formal guide yet.. but perhaps we should create one |
| 21:33 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 21:33 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:33 | davidnind | if there isn't I'm happy to have a go |
| 21:33 | ashimema[m] | #idea Should we add some guidlines for writing good summaries for the release notes |
| 21:34 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #212: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/212/ |
| 21:34 | davidnind | can propose something for the next meeting as a coding guideline for the next meeting |
| 21:34 | ashimema[m] | #idea Should we require summaries for release notes for certain categories of bugs as part of the QA process? |
| 21:35 | #idea Should we require documentation merge requests for certain bug categories as part of the QA process? | |
| 21:35 | caroline_catlady | I'm ambivalent... I fear it would make the process heavier |
| 21:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #211: STILL FAILING in 30 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/211/ |
| 21:35 | ashimema[m] | hmm.. |
| 21:36 | not sure it's heavier as much as it's just shifting the 'when' for doing it.. | |
| 21:36 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #202: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/202/ |
| 21:37 | ashimema[m] | I really don't like enhancements and new features going in without any form of documentation at release time |
| 21:37 | and it's a massive task for you guys to write all the docs for everything new in the last days/weeks before release | |
| 21:37 | caroline_catlady | docs is still very behind, but if we can be more involved during the process maybe we could be of help? |
| 21:37 | ashimema[m] | it also makes testing and qa simpler if we have a clear manual for what the feature is meant to do |
| 21:38 | hayley | I agree, but then I don't have the QA/Documentation experience |
| 21:38 | ashimema[m] | indeed.. all QA is 'guidelines' anyway.. so the team won't allow it to hold up code without good reason ;) |
| 21:39 | lisettelatah | If there are clear guidelines for what it should do, we might be able to get more people to do signoffs. |
| 21:39 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #213: STILL FAILING in 33 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/213/ |
| 21:39 | ashimema[m] | one of the things I do occasionally for bywater bugs for instance is that I request their educators write docs for a bug before I go ahead and do a final QA run on it. |
| 21:40 | davidnind | in an ideal world it would be nice to get docs updated soon after bugs are pushed to master , while everything is fresh in everyone's minds |
| 21:40 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #212: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/212/ |
| 21:40 | ashimema[m] | indeed |
| 21:40 | davidnind | once we get through the backlog... :-D |
| 21:41 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #203: ABORTED in 29 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/203/ |
| 21:41 | davidnind | even an attachment to the bug would be helpful, however it is written |
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| 21:42 | ashimema[m] | lets leave those as idea's then and bring it back up next meeting in January |
| 21:43 | hayley | ++ |
| 21:43 | aleisha | sorry im a bit late but i think it would be cool if it became custom to update those docs. extra work for sure but helpful for everyone and could just become habit after some time |
| 21:44 | but yes can be brought back up in jan! | |
| 21:44 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #214: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/214/ |
| 21:44 | ashimema[m] | Yeah.. I'd like to make it a good habbit people get into.. |
| 21:44 | rather than just introducing more pain | |
| 21:45 | ok.. shall we move on to setting the time of the next meeting | |
| 21:45 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 21:45 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 18 December 2019) | |
| 21:47 | davidnind | 15th January? (unless you want the 1st of Jan !) |
| 21:47 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #204: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/204/ |
| 21:47 | ashimema[m] | I was just thinking the same |
| 21:48 | there's a general meeting on the 8th | |
| 21:48 | so yeah.. 15th works | |
| 21:48 | nd the general meeting is a later one I believe so the 'flop' to the earlier time for the dev meeting makes sense I think | |
| 21:48 | so | |
| 21:49 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #215: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/215/ |
| 21:49 | ashimema[m] | Next meeting: 15 January 2020, 14 UTC |
| 21:49 | that suit? | |
| 21:49 | davidnind | +1 |
| 21:50 | ashimema[m] | #info Next meeting: 15 January 2020, 14 UTC |
| 21:50 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:50 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 21:50 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Dec 18 21:50:20 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:50 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-18-21.00.html | |
| 21:50 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]9-12-18-21.00.txt | |
| 21:50 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]18-21.00.log.html | |
| 21:50 | ashimema[m] | thanks everyone |
| 21:50 | davidnind | ashimema++ |
| 21:50 | hayley | thanks ashimema[m]! |
| 21:50 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #213: STILL FAILING in 26 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/213/ |
| 21:50 | caroline_catlady | ashimema++ |
| 21:50 | lisettelatah | ashimema++ |
| 21:50 | aleisha | ashimema++ |
| 21:51 | ashimema[m] | so.. Jenkins |
| 21:51 | looks like the nodes are all down and the master is stuck in a loop | |
| 21:51 | I don't have the access to kick that I think | |
| 21:51 | so.. we do need tcohen :( | |
| 21:51 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #205: STILL FAILING in 12 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/205/ |
| 21:51 | hayley | that's okay! |
| 21:52 | ashimema[m] | I poked tomas via slack :) |
| 21:53 | he's taking a quick look now | |
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| 21:57 | tcohen | hola |
| 21:57 | wahanui | hello, tcohen |
| 21:57 | tcohen | just got back home |
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| 21:58 | tcohen | what did you all do to poor jenkins? |
| 22:00 | ashimema[m] | poor thing |
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| 22:03 | tcohen | looks like restarting it was enough |
| 22:03 | the nodes have disk space | |
| 22:03 | and all checks correct | |
| 22:03 | I cannot debug the logs atm | |
| 22:03 | caroline_catlady | https://media.giphy.com/media/[…]eIU8lmo/giphy.gif |
| 22:06 | ashimema[m] | 😀 |
| 22:06 | And on that note.. I'm clocking off | |
| 22:06 | Have a good one my #koha friends | |
| 22:07 | caroline_catlady | you too |
| 22:08 | anyone know how I can skip the import of data during the Web installer? I keep getting time outs from my browser OR error messages because the data already exists | |
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| 22:35 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:35 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 22:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #214: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D8/214/ |
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| 22:42 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:42 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 22:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #206: FIXED in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/206/ |
| 22:43 | aleisha | \o/ hayley :D |
| 22:44 | hayley | Yayyyyy |
| 22:47 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 22:47 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 22:47 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #216: FIXED in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/216/ |
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| 23:08 | wizzyrea | yay hayley!! |
| 23:08 | for whatever we are cheering for I want to participate in cheering! | |
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