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| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:45 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 08:00 | alex_a | Bonjour |
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| 08:30 | magnuse | hm, "sudo apt-cache policy koha-common" says i just upgraded to 19.05.06, but "About Koha" says 19.05.05? |
| 08:48 | marcelr | cache ? |
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| 09:14 | ashimema | er.. there is not 19.05.06 |
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| 09:15 | ashimema | sounds like a mistake somewhere.. |
| 09:15 | * ashimema | opens email and see's how much he's missed whilst he's been in meetings the past couple of days :( |
| 09:44 | cait | not checking email at all? that sounds like productive meetings :) |
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| 09:53 | ashimema | yeah, not bad :) |
| 10:33 | cait | how are the emails? |
| 10:35 | andreashm | Oh no! We have found duplicate fines in the database. Instead of continuing to add fine updates, sometimes a new fine is instead created. Say a fine was accruing, with 250 SEK on Tuesday. Instead of increasing it to 260 the next day, another (new) fine with 260 is added the same day. |
| 10:35 | We have now turned of fines while we investigate. | |
| 10:35 | cait | ouch |
| 10:35 | no renewals in between... right? | |
| 10:36 | which version? | |
| 10:36 | wahanui | which version is thiis? |
| 10:36 | andreashm | Seems related both to the automatic renewals cronjob, and wrong calculations done on return (but we have CalculateFinesOnReturn set to Don't) |
| 10:36 | 18.11.04 | |
| 10:37 | cait | hm are you using book drop or so? |
| 10:37 | andreashm | I haven't seen anything related in Bugzilla (although some things close, but not quite the same). But sounds a bit like https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23454 |
| 10:37 | huginn | Bug 23454: major, P5 - low, ---, hemantharao.kr, NEW , Fine for the previous overdue may get overwritten by the next one |
| 10:38 | andreashm | cait: no, not using book drop mode. |
| 10:40 | We have over 400 casesof faulty duplicate fines added, this year. =( | |
| 10:41 | cait | how do you knwo they are faulty... same issue_id and created one day after last incrmeent of the other fine? |
| 10:45 | andreashm | cait: yes. |
| 10:45 | cait | hm |
| 10:45 | that's... not good | |
| 10:47 | andreashm | not at all |
| 10:48 | But it doesn't happen all the time. Making it hard to replicate the issue | |
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| 10:50 | andreashm | The major thing seem to be why the automatic renewals sometimes adds a new fine. But I also don't understand why fees are sometimes calculated on return (ignoring that syspref). Returns are mostly Lost items that are problematic. (they are the reason we started looking into this) |
| 10:50 | cait | oh |
| 10:50 | if there was a renew happening... it would make the fine start over | |
| 10:51 | can you see the last renewed for those? | |
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| 11:04 | andreashm | renews make the fine start over? |
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| 11:06 | andreashm | will look if they have been renewed then. but previously, it seems not. will look if holds added/deleted is involved. |
| 11:09 | cait: ^^ | |
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| 11:11 | cait | andreashm: i think so |
| 11:11 | because then a new 'fine process starts' | |
| 11:11 | you renew... get a new due date... it goes overdue again, it starts again | |
| 11:11 | if you still have old fines from last time... your bad | |
| 11:12 | if it's something like that... it woudl not be really doubled | |
| 11:12 | the old one would no longer accrue, onle the new entry... and one would be F and the other FU | |
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| 11:13 | andreashm | cait: ah, like so. But no, these change from one day to the next, during the same "cycle". |
| 11:14 | we have had some occurances like you describe, but some others obviously faulty | |
| 11:14 | cait | i was wondering... sometimes a recalculated due date could be the same date as before |
| 11:14 | andreashm | hmmmm |
| 11:14 | cait | in theory.. if that could be it - like it's not really 'renewed' into the future |
| 11:14 | that's why checking the logs for a renewal happening might be ineresting to rule out/confirm | |
| 11:15 | just trying to think what could cause this... we are about to go to 18.11 and meh | |
| 11:15 | don't want this :) | |
| 11:15 | andreashm | cait: thanks, I'll look more at it! |
| 11:20 | cait: looking more at the list, it seems most of the nightly runs happened before upgrading to 18.11. And the other problem (returns being calculated for Lost book being returned), appears mostly after upgrade. Interesting! | |
| 11:21 | cait | there are quite a few bugs in the lost area reported |
| 11:21 | since we don't use that heavily i haven't dug deeper | |
| 11:22 | bug 22877 for example | |
| 11:22 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22877 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, RESOLVED FIXED, Returning a lost item not marked as returned can generate additional overdue fines |
| 11:23 | cait | sorry for making noise on the bug... chose a wrong status and now have towork through some more to get back :( |
| 11:27 | andreashm | cait: oh! that looks very much like our problem! |
| 11:29 | cait++ | |
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| 11:56 | andreashm | This is why I love the Koha community! =) |
| 11:57 | ashimema++ too! | |
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| 12:11 | kidclamp | joubu++ |
| 12:18 | andreashm | kidclamp++ |
| 12:18 | kidclamp | andreashm++ |
| 12:18 | :-) | |
| 12:20 | andreashm | ;Karma-fest! |
| 12:21 | kidclamp | ashimema++ |
| 12:21 | cait++ | |
| 12:21 | * kidclamp | loooks and realizes I could go on for quite a while |
| 12:21 | kidclamp | koha++ |
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| 12:51 | magnuse | allyall++ |
| 13:03 | ashimema: the main ill requests table has a lot of columns now, but it is not self evident what data in the db corresponds to what column. do you think you or Andrew could do a quick wiki page with the mappings? | |
| 13:07 | or point me to some place where the mapping is explicit? | |
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| 13:16 | cait | you could also do it in kohastructure.sql |
| 13:16 | as scomments | |
| 13:16 | so it shows up on schema | |
| 13:18 | magnuse | the thing is the illrequestattributes, where you have type=x, value=y |
| 13:18 | so you would have to document a lot of different types | |
| 13:19 | ashimema | oh.. sorry.. was having lunch |
| 13:20 | magnuse | np |
| 13:20 | cait | ah ok |
| 13:21 | ashimema | I'll ask andrew what he can do |
| 13:21 | cait | ype, my suggestion won't work then |
| 13:21 | magnuse | awesome! |
| 13:21 | ashimema | the requestattributes table is very much like authorized values.. |
| 13:21 | magnuse | yeah |
| 13:21 | ashimema | as in.. it can kinda contain whatever you fancy and actas as it's own DB |
| 13:21 | which is great and terrible at the same time | |
| 13:23 | magnuse | and gets real interesting when you have to display some subset of data from several schemes in one table... |
| 13:23 | at least it's flexible :-) | |
| 13:25 | ashimema | probably what you want is less about the db schema and more about the internal api that's built atop it. |
| 13:29 | magnuse | yeah, true |
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| 13:36 | ashimema | think he must be at lunch.. struggling to raise him |
| 13:37 | magnuse | no hurry! |
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| 13:37 | ashimema | still enjoying rocket.chat magnuse? |
| 13:39 | magnuse | yes indeed |
| 13:39 | ashimema | do you use the irc bridge stuff at all? |
| 13:39 | magnuse | nope |
| 13:40 | and so far i have only used it with a couple users, so dunno how it behaves at scale | |
| 13:40 | but there is very little i have to complain about | |
| 13:41 | ashimema | I'm thinking of suggesting we trial it at a community level |
| 13:41 | magnuse | pertty much the only thing is that if someone replies in a thread, that reply is also shown in the main discussion. i *think* it is possible to quickfix that with some custom css, but i have not been able to figure that out |
| 13:41 | ashimema | we were talking about getting more of our customers interacting in the community.. but IRC is still seen as a big barrier |
| 13:42 | threads are wierd in slack too | |
| 13:42 | I don't like them at all | |
| 13:42 | magnuse | yeah, i can kinda see why that would put some people off |
| 13:43 | ashimema | and even us geeks who are comfortable in IRC... |
| 13:43 | I don't think we'd mind a shift personally.. | |
| 13:44 | * ashimema | uses Slack allot to talk internally at ptfs-e.. but also uses it allot to talk to tcohen, kidclamp, khall etc etc.. |
| 13:44 | ashimema | it's just easy |
| 13:44 | irc have never been quiet to immediately easy for me | |
| 13:44 | * khall | is in favor of a Koha slack channel ;) |
| 13:45 | ashimema | I don't think i could sell slack to the wider koha community ;) |
| 13:45 | it's too closed and too expensive | |
| 13:45 | you helps bywater choose slack didn't you khall | |
| 13:46 | why slack over rocket.chat or mattermost? | |
| 13:46 | magnuse | (you can turn threads off in rocket) |
| 13:49 | * andreashm | likes Slack to. And the Swedish user group has koha.slack.com =) |
| 13:49 | andreashm | but mattermost och rocket.chat would be better for the international community yes. |
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| 13:49 | andreashm | IRC is a big barrier |
| 13:50 | * andreashm | should try rocket.chat. Still haven't. Tried Mattermost though. |
| 13:50 | magnuse | i can testify to the swedish community being very active on slack :-) |
| 13:50 | ashimema | yeah.. i've already done the mattermost vs rocket.chat comparision and decided rocket.chat would be a better fit |
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| 13:50 | ashimema | I don't think we should go slack.. and think we'd end up with a fair bit of backlash if some of us suggested that |
| 13:50 | maybe I'm incorrect | |
| 13:51 | Dyrcona | It bugs me when F/OSS projects use proprietary software for communications. |
| 13:51 | andreashm | .... and now I now why. Self install or pay |
| 13:52 | ashimema | there's a demo rocket.chat out there you can play with.. but no-one really on it |
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| 13:56 | Dyrcona | Yeah, that model bothers me: a free "community" version or pay for more features. It has become increasingly common lately. But, I'm not really in the Koha community, so feel free to ignore me. :) |
| 13:57 | andreashm | ashimema: thanks. I got invited to magnuse's one, so I can test there. =) |
| 13:58 | caroline_catlady | good morning! |
| 13:58 | magnuse | kia ora caroline_catlady |
| 14:04 | andreashm | hey caroline_catlady |
| 14:04 | wahanui | somebody said caroline_catlady was to blame for me thinking about icecream all day long! |
| 14:04 | caroline_catlady | lol!! |
| 14:04 | andreashm | now I'm thinking of icecream! damn wahanui! =) |
| 14:04 | caroline_catlady | I wonder who said that.... |
| 14:05 | * magnuse | thinks about pizza |
| 14:17 | cait | hm someon eever tried to use bitwise operators in a report? << crashes because koha thinks it#s a placeholder thingy |
| 14:18 | flags & (1 << 1) | |
| 14:19 | kidclamp | ashimema++ |
| 14:19 | 1 | |
| 14:19 | ashimema++ | |
| 14:19 | ashimema++ | |
| 14:20 | * cait | must have missed somehting |
| 14:20 | * kidclamp | bullied martin and he gave in - I am rewarding that |
| 14:20 | kidclamp | :-p |
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| 14:22 | ashimema | hehe |
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| 15:09 | Nemo_bis | Over 50 % market share in public libraries, I had no idea. Scary. https://sr.ithaka.org/blog/wha[…]uying-innovative/ |
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| 15:27 | corilynn | have you used OCLC's WorldShare? It's TERRIBLE! |
| 15:28 | cait | corilynn: did you? |
| 15:28 | never met someone who really used it - there is only 1 installation i think in germany | |
| 15:29 | We saw a presentation a while ago | |
| 15:32 | corilynn | I had to for a customer, briefly. I didn't like it |
| 15:33 | I'm just pleased that I got the worldcat apis working so I didn't have to login 50 times a day to get one number | |
| 15:37 | cait | makes sense, you mostly did cataloguing? |
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| 15:39 | corilynn | I mostly *do* cataloging |
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| 16:36 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:41 | liliputech_asu | caturday? |
| 16:41 | AnnaBoten | CATURDAY! \o/ |
| 16:41 | liliputech_asu | yey |
| 16:42 | have a nice one :) | |
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| 23:12 | Marie-Luce | have a lovely weekend all |
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