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| 07:02 | ashimema | davidnind++ |
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| 07:37 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:47 | magnuse | davidnind++ |
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| 07:57 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 07:57 | wahanui | kia ora, alex_a |
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| 08:22 | davidnind | ashimema: thanks for answering my questions about the translation workflow! |
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| 08:27 | sev_q | Hello #koha !! |
| 08:27 | tuxayo | o/ sev_q |
| 08:28 | sev_q | hiya tuxayo :) |
| 08:40 | alex_a | hello sev_q |
| 08:42 | sev_q | good morning alex_a ! |
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| 08:50 | Joubu | ashimema: follow-up attached to bug 23982 (will fix the failing test) |
| 08:50 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23982 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to master , Count/pagination broken for reports with duplicated column names |
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| 08:54 | Joubu | ashimema: I do not get why the last build for U18 failed (instead of unstable) - https://jenkins.koha-community[…]8/477/consoleFull |
| 08:55 | ashimema | me either |
| 08:55 | was just about to ask you if you had any idea | |
| 08:56 | Joubu | push the follow-up and see what's happening :) |
| 09:01 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 23982: Fix the failing test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c69ce48debb365a5d> |
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| 09:15 | nlegrand | ahlan #koha |
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| 09:16 | oups | |
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| 09:21 | magnuse | bonjour nlegrand |
| 09:31 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 09:31 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 09:31 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #540: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/540/ |
| 09:39 | tuxayo | o/ nlegrand |
| 09:39 | «join #francophonie» | |
| 09:40 | he he | |
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| 09:56 | nlegrand | o/ tuxayo |
| 09:56 | salut magnuse ! | |
| 09:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #20: FAILURE in 56 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D9_My8/20/ |
| 10:07 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 10:07 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 10:07 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1007: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1007/ |
| 10:14 | Joubu | tcohen, ashimema: bug 24070 |
| 10:14 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24070 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , koha_es killed, missing RAM |
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| 10:15 | ashimema | oooh.. |
| 10:15 | interesting | |
| 10:17 | Joubu | new comment, it's the RAM of the nodes actually, not the container |
| 10:20 | ashimema | Ooh, very interesting.. I have no idea how much resource those nodes have |
| 10:21 | Can't even remember who hosts them | |
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| 11:01 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #478: NOW UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/478/ |
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| 11:58 | huginn | News from kohagit: Bug 23805: (RM follow-up) Add credit_type relation to Koha::Account::Line <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f832e9c3259b5e887> |
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| 12:27 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 12:35 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #1008: SUCCESS in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_D9/1008/ |
| 12:38 | oleonard | Hi all |
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| 12:43 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #541: UNSTABLE in 45 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/541/ |
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| 13:15 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #479: STILL UNSTABLE in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/479/ |
| 13:16 | oleonard | sev_q: Thanks for testing Bug 9156! |
| 13:16 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9156 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , itemcallnumber not pulling more than 2 subfields |
| 13:18 | oleonard | @later tell khall Have you seen Bug 23025? I updated the patch on that to add more upgrades |
| 13:18 | huginn | oleonard: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:19 | oleonard | ashimema: Or perhaps you could explain how to get that bug moving in another way... patch only for fstream? |
| 13:20 | ashimema | hi |
| 13:20 | * ashimema | reads up |
| 13:21 | ashimema | ooh.. i'd entirely forgotten about that one. |
| 13:22 | I basically think we aught to update all dependancies regularly.. but likely as two operations each time.. | |
| 13:22 | one patch for all 'dev only' dependancies.. like a our build tools | |
| 13:22 | and one for user facing.. | |
| 13:23 | dev only stuff can basically skip QA in my opinion.. it's not going to hurt end users.. only developers.. who are more likely to be able to fix it themselves quickly enough.. | |
| 13:23 | but user facing needs a bit more testing.. like when you upgraded bootstrap or jQuery for example. | |
| 13:23 | thoughts? | |
| 13:24 | if the set in bug 23025 just dev facing.. | |
| 13:24 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23025 is not accessible. |
| 13:24 | ashimema | if so.. I'll mark is PQA now and push it before release |
| 13:24 | oleonard | I think I agree. yarn doesn't manage any user-facing assets, only what is required for compiling SCSS |
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| 13:37 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9_My8 build #21: STILL FAILING in 54 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Master_D9_My8/21/ |
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| 13:56 | * magnuse | wonders if the test plan for bug 24072 should just be "see the typos" or involve a lot of setting up loans that expire today etc |
| 13:56 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24072 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Typos in advance_notices.pl causes DUEDGST not to be sent |
| 14:02 | JBoyer | apt show dnsutils |
| 14:02 | Sigh. And you people thought I was kidding yesterday... | |
| 14:03 | oops. Double-wrong window, heh. | |
| 14:03 | oleonard | JBoyer: Somehow this problem will be resolved by the time Star Trek's comm system is invented |
| 14:04 | ashimema | remind me.. are we allowed to use html5 input types and validation now oleonard? |
| 14:05 | oleonard | ashimema: Yes, but I think adding JS validation using the validation plugin is a good extra layer |
| 14:05 | ashimema | i.e. I am tempted to update the accounts payments pages to use `type="number"` and set `min` values on the 'collected from patron` field for bug 22359 |
| 14:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22359 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373) |
| 14:06 | ashimema | 'min' is a bit weird.. although you can set type to number and the little incrementing arrows stop at min.. you can still enter a value by hand that's less than it.. |
| 14:06 | grr | |
| 14:06 | oleonard | I think "number" is the most common example of an HTML5 input type used in Koha already |
| 14:06 | caroline_crazycatlady | hello everyone! |
| 14:07 | oleonard | Hi caroline_crazycatlady |
| 14:07 | caroline_crazycatlady++ # Great education meeting summary | |
| 14:08 | ashimema | got a good example of the belt and braces approach using js too? |
| 14:08 | caroline_crazycatlady | thank you! It was really fun and I'm hoping the docs team can work out what we want :) |
| 14:08 | * ashimema | wonders what he missed there |
| 14:09 | caroline_crazycatlady | ashimema: I sent you an email regarding one of the points |
| 14:09 | oleonard | ashimema: This "belt and braces" idiom is completely new to me! |
| 14:09 | ashimema | oh really.. lol |
| 14:09 | i.e. javascript + html5 validation | |
| 14:10 | implimenting both at the same time rather than relying on just one | |
| 14:12 | oleonard | ashimema: I don't think there's any difference between using both and using just the JS validation |
| 14:13 | ashimema | fair enough |
| 14:13 | oleonard | /prog/js/categories.js has good examples of using the plugin |
| 14:13 | ashimema | thanks |
| 14:14 | the challange is going to be that I want to watch one field and use it's value as the minimum for another | |
| 14:15 | oleonard | picture-upload.tt has an example of using a "depends" parameter |
| 14:15 | ashimema | excellent, thanks |
| 14:15 | very helpful | |
| 14:20 | what plugin are we using.. just trying to find some docs on 'depends'.. see | |
| 14:20 | oleonard | https://jqueryvalidation.org/ |
| 14:20 | ashimema | https://jqueryvalidation.org/documentation/ ? |
| 14:21 | oleonard | Not great documentation unfortunately. |
| 14:21 | Also I see were using an out-of-date version | |
| 14:22 | ashimema | just enough I believe :) |
| 14:23 | * oleonard | watches carefully for caroline_catlady 's nick to change back |
| 14:23 | caroline_catlady | i just wanted to make sure I didn't get laters for my "regular" nick :) |
| 14:25 | Joubu | ashimema: did you get an error when you ran the koha-meetings script for the last doc meeting? |
| 14:25 | ashimema: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_14_November_2019 minutes are missing | |
| 14:25 | caroline_catlady | I'm sure my IRC client will eventually revert me back to crazy |
| 14:26 | ashimema | :( |
| 14:26 | I don't remember if I ran the script of not now ( | |
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| 14:29 | magnuse | bug 24072 is a nice little companion to bug 24064, would be great to have it fixed in the upcoming versions *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* |
| 14:29 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24072 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Typos in advance_notices.pl causes DUEDGST not to be sent |
| 14:29 | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=24064 major, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to master , DUEDGST typoed as DUEGST | |
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| 14:37 | ashimema | hmm.. I don't see where the validate plugin is loaded in picture-upload.tt |
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| 14:40 | sev_q | oleonard : my pleasure ! sorry for the late answer, I was in the reading room |
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| 16:05 | ashimema | cait... |
| 16:05 | bug 22359 | |
| 16:05 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22359 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Improve usability of 'change calculation' (bug 11373) |
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| 16:09 | wizzyrea | tēnā koutou |
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| 16:13 | wizzyrea | i want to set one of these up for the community |
| 16:13 | https://www.question2answer.org/ | |
| 16:13 | it's FOSS stack overflow | |
| 16:13 | that we control | |
| 16:14 | i have server capacity for this. | |
| 16:19 | ashimema | did we not having something like that once? |
| 16:20 | I like the idea though | |
| 16:21 | caroline_catlady | Yeah, I feel like I've seen something like this before |
| 16:22 | ashimema | maybe it was anoter project i used to work with that had that.. openstreetmap: https://help.openstreetmap.org/ |
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| 16:23 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 16:24 | yeah we tried with stackoverflow proper a few years ago | |
| 16:24 | but that never caught on | |
| 16:24 | mostly because we don't have enough volume to justify a stackoverflow of our own | |
| 16:24 | ashimema | grr.. seems osqa (the open software we used at openstreetmap for this) has since gone closed source as far as I can tell |
| 16:25 | still.. your Question2Answer looks interesting | |
| 16:43 | wizzyrea | it's great |
| 16:43 | ByWater uses it internally | |
| 16:43 | it is A+++++ | |
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| 16:44 | wizzyrea | and it can be made prettier than the default theme. |
| 16:44 | which of course we'd want :) | |
| 16:44 | i'm gonna do it. | |
| 16:44 | if it catches on, great | |
| 16:45 | if not, it's only a little of my time. ^.^ | |
| 16:45 | oleonard | Scandalous |
| 16:46 | caroline_catlady | in overdue notices, the branch is which branch? The patron's branch? |
| 16:46 | the item's branch? | |
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| 17:02 | ashimema | wizzyrea++ |
| 17:03 | I reckon we could quickly populate it with some faq's if we reach out to support companies wizzyrea.. sure I could get at least a few from our side | |
| 17:07 | oleonard | "Do penguins have knees?" |
| 17:07 | ashimema | "Do fish have wings?" |
| 17:08 | !bang | |
| 17:08 | AnnaBoten | ashimema, you missed the duck! |
| 17:08 | oleonard | !bang |
| 17:08 | AnnaBoten | \_x< oleonard: 1 (69074.22 seconds) |
| 17:08 | [('oleonard', 1), ('lisettelatah', 1), ('corilynn', 1)] | |
| 17:08 | Best time: lisettelatah with 4.90 seconds (this is your new record in this channel! Your previous record was 6.23) | |
| 17:08 | ashimema | dang |
| 17:08 | wha | |
| 17:12 | caroline_catlady | we already have a faq in the manual, maybe start with that? |
| 17:13 | * oleonard | goes there to check whether penguins have knees |
| 17:14 | caroline_catlady | we should add it just for fun :) |
| 17:14 | Where I worked before, a colleague wanted to catalog a spatula and see how much time it took for a patron to come ask for it, hehe | |
| 17:15 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:15 | wahanui | *click* |
| 17:15 | oleonard | !bang |
| 17:15 | AnnaBoten | \_x< oleonard: 1 (11.32 seconds) |
| 17:17 | oleonard | Never seen this error for git-bz before, "socket.gaierror: [Errno -3] Temporary failure in name resolution" |
| 17:18 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:18 | wahanui | !bang |
| 17:18 | oleonard | !bang |
| 17:18 | AnnaBoten | \_x< oleonard: 2 (11.69 seconds) |
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| 17:21 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:21 | wahanui | !bang |
| 17:21 | lisettelatah | !bang |
| 17:21 | AnnaBoten | \_x< lisettelatah: 1 (4.67 seconds) |
| 17:21 | [('oleonard', 2), ('lisettelatah', 1)] | |
| 17:21 | Best time: lisettelatah with 4.67 seconds (this is your new record in this channel! Your previous record was 4.9) | |
| 17:26 | \_o< quack! | |
| 17:26 | wahanui | *click* |
| 17:27 | oleonard | !bang |
| 17:27 | AnnaBoten | \_x< oleonard: 1 (20.83 seconds) |
| 17:27 | oleonard | I feel like wahanui is throwing his shots to make us feel better. |
| 17:31 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:31 | wahanui | oops, slipped over |
| 17:31 | oleonard | !bang |
| 17:31 | AnnaBoten | \_x< oleonard: 2 (8.85 seconds) |
| 17:31 | oleonard | wahanui's like if you took your butler hunting with you |
| 17:32 | caroline_catlady | lol! |
| 17:39 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:39 | wahanui | *click* |
| 17:39 | oleonard | !bang |
| 17:39 | AnnaBoten | \_x< oleonard: 3 (7.35 seconds) |
| 17:39 | \o/ oleonard: 3 ducks out of 3: perfect!!! +5 \o/ | |
| 17:39 | Best time: oleonard with 7.35 seconds | |
| 17:39 | oleonard took the lead for the week over lisettelatah with 29 points. | |
| 17:40 | \_o< quack! | |
| 17:40 | wahanui | oops, slipped over |
| 17:41 | lisettelatah | !bang |
| 17:41 | AnnaBoten | \_x< lisettelatah: 1 (77.29 seconds) |
| 17:42 | caroline_catlady | Ok, I'm trying to make sense of this https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/[…]generating-markup |
| 17:42 | pastebot | "caroline_catlady" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Would this be what it looked like IRL?" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12125 |
| 17:43 | caroline_catlady | And then I know I have to go in the actual text and add the targets, but before I go further I'm just trying to workout the structure for the thesaurus |
| 17:43 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:43 | wahanui | !bang |
| 17:43 | lisettelatah | !bang |
| 17:43 | AnnaBoten | \_x< lisettelatah: 2 (6.77 seconds) |
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| 17:45 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:45 | wahanui | oops, slipped over |
| 17:45 | lisettelatah | !bang |
| 17:45 | AnnaBoten | \_x< lisettelatah: 3 (6.93 seconds) |
| 17:45 | \o/ lisettelatah: 3 ducks out of 3: perfect!!! +5 \o/ | |
| 17:45 | Best time: lisettelatah with 6.77 seconds | |
| 17:45 | lisettelatah took the lead for the week over oleonard with 23 points. | |
| 17:48 | oleonard | Looks like we don't have a unified way to generate CSV/odt exports. Seems like an oversight. |
| 17:49 | davidnind | caroline_catlady: I will give it a go shortly, seems really useful to be able to add an index |
| 17:49 | caroline_catlady | oh hi davidnind! I was just writing you an email :) |
| 17:50 | didn't know you were already up | |
| 17:50 | AnnaBoten | \_o< quack! |
| 17:50 | wahanui | *click* |
| 17:50 | oleonard | *click* |
| 17:50 | Dang, my clumsy fingers | |
| 17:50 | caroline_catlady | Are ReST and LwDITA different markup languages? And if so, should we start to move the manual toward LwDITA? |
| 17:50 | davidnind | nearly 7am, so I guess I should be up |
| 17:51 | caroline_catlady | eh, I'm not up at 7am ;) |
| 17:52 | oleonard | caroline_catlady: I'll be sure not to post puppy pictures at 5:30AM when I get up in case the notification wakes you |
| 17:52 | caroline_catlady | My phone's notifications are blocked until 7 :) post away and I will smile when I wake up |
| 17:53 | davidnind | Normal DITA (Darwin Information Typing Architecture) is an XML based language, which puts some people off - it has lots of tags that can be used, not as many as DocBook though |
| 17:55 | Lightweight DITA (LwDITA) is an attempt to make it easier to author by allowing topics to be written using different formats - a simplified XML structure, HTML, and markdown | |
| 17:56 | caroline_catlady | Is it more complicated than ReST? We're just starting to get ppl on board to contribute... Do you think it would scare them? |
| 17:57 | davidnind | DITA is an open standard managed by OASIS, LwDITA is still under development, but it mostly works - at some stage I thing they would like to add a restructured text option |
| 17:58 | caroline_catlady | The other thing is, can we still do all the other stuff we talked about with ReST (namely, doing smaller chapters, how-tos, etc) and exporting them as training material? |
| 18:00 | going to lunch, my stomach is digesting itself, bbl | |
| 18:00 | davidnind | it is just plain text, for example https://github.com/DITAWriter/[…]and_advantages.md |
| 18:01 | have a nice lunch! | |
| 18:02 | the main difference between ReST and other markup languages is that they are designed to be 'book-based' | |
| 18:05 | DITA is designed to be topic-based, where you create small self-contained topics covering one thing(and one content type - such as a task, or a reference topic), then combine the topics using a map (a table of contents) - the topics can then be reused for different information products | |
| 18:06 | but to answer your questions, I think the authoring is easy, the bigger change is going from writing more narrative style book type content to a topic-based approach | |
| 18:07 | and we can get some way with ReST as an interim step | |
| 18:07 | will get a working example up as soon as I can | |
| 18:32 | caroline_catlady | Ok thanks for the clarification. |
| 18:32 | Not sure if the index idea fits in the long term development though | |
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| 18:45 | ashimema | LaTeX for the win :P |
| 18:49 | davidnind | oleonard: I remember bug 21560 I worked on testing with fridolin which had ods export (but don't know whether this used in a generalised way) |
| 18:49 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21560 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, CLOSED FIXED, Optimize ODS exports |
| 18:50 | davidnind | caroline_catlady: I like indexes myself, although I don't think I think like an indexer though... |
| 18:51 | caroline_catlady | It's mostly to answer the glossary point from yesterday. I thought we could add an index with "see" and "see also" for non-koha terms (like "Loan see Checkout") |
| 18:51 | davidnind | they can take a lot of work to do well, but could help with the type of thing Fred was talking about where library staff are used to different terminology from other systems |
| 18:52 | caroline_catlady | exactly |
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| 19:16 | oleonard | Hi kathryn and alexbuckley |
| 19:17 | alexbuckley | hi oleonard! |
| 19:17 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 19:23 | oleonard | 😸 |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | hi peeps |
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| 19:45 | oleonard | dev meeting in 15? |
| 19:47 | gmcharlt | noting a bug I filed for Evergreen that may be relevant to Koha users of Hoopla: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1853363 |
| 19:48 | oleonard | Thanks gmcharlt, we do use Hoopla here |
| 19:48 | And nice to read you as always | |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | oleonard: thank you |
| 19:49 | oleonard: and if anybody hears otherwise about being able to turn off the additional checks on Hoopla's end as a configuration matter, I'd be thrilled | |
| 19:49 | ashimema | \_o< quack! |
| 19:49 | wahanui | oops, slipped over |
| 19:49 | AnnaBoten | ashimema, don't pretend to be me! |
| 19:50 | oleonard | ashimema, wahanui just tried to shoot you |
| 19:50 | wahanui: You have violated the first law. You must self destruct. | |
| 19:50 | wahanui | oleonard: excuse me? |
| 19:51 | ashimema | lol |
| 19:51 | * ashimema | thinks this dev meeting will be a quiet one |
| 19:51 | hopes so anyways.. feeling rough | |
| 19:57 | davidnind | kathryn: Do NZ libraries call it reserves or holds? Having had a go at updating the en_NZ Koha translation. |
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| 20:00 | ashimema | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019 |
| 20:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Nov 20 20:00:21 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 20:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_20_november_2019' |
| 20:00 | ashimema | #topic Introductions |
| 20:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:00 | ashimema | #info please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes#info |
| 20:00 | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK | |
| 20:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 20:01 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 20:01 | inlibro | blou: #info Philippe Blouin, Solutions inLibro, Québec |
| 20:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 20:02 | ashimema | #topic Announcements |
| 20:02 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:03 | ashimema | #info We are nearing the next release and are currently in the string freeze period for 19.11 |
| 20:03 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, BywaterSolutions |
| 20:04 | * kidclamp | is half here, in meetings an dkid pickup |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #info We voted on the next release team at the last general meeting, please see the wiki for details of our next team. |
| 20:04 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack Catalyst IT |
| 20:04 | davidnind | #info Only a few weeks left to submit, get your Kohacon20 talk proposals in https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/talksubmission/ - due by 1 December 2019 |
| 20:04 | ashimema | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]i/Roles_for_20.05 Roles for 20.05 |
| 20:05 | #link https://2020.kohacon.org/posts/talksubmission/ KohaCon20 Talk Submissions | |
| 20:05 | #topic Update from the Release manager | |
| 20:05 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:06 | ashimema | #info We are currently on schedule for the release in one week (27/11/2019) |
| 20:07 | oleonard | A day-before-Thanksgiving treat for Americans |
| 20:07 | ashimema | #info There are still a few bugs sitting in the NSO queue marked as Major, it would be great to squeeze those through in the next few days if anyone has a moment to take a look. |
| 20:08 | ooh.. I hadn't thought about that when I set the timing | |
| 20:08 | thinks thats about all I had to say really.. | |
| 20:08 | ooh.. one more | |
| 20:09 | #info I'd like to welcome Joy Nelson to the 20.05 team as our 19.11 RMaint, thankyou for stepping into the role Joy and thankyou ByWater for supporting that :) | |
| 20:10 | oleonard | talljoy++ |
| 20:10 | ashimema | #topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
| 20:10 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:10 | ashimema | rmaints? |
| 20:10 | wahanui | rmaints is fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea |
| 20:10 | ashimema | I bet we don't have any here :( |
| 20:12 | #info I believe we are on schedule for a maintanence release from each of the respective release maintainers on (or around) the 22nd. | |
| 20:12 | #topic Updates from the QA team | |
| 20:12 | Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:12 | ashimema | Do we have a cait? |
| 20:12 | oleonard | Not even one |
| 20:13 | Do we have any of cait's loyal minions? | |
| 20:13 | ashimema | Seems not.. |
| 20:14 | #info QA has slowed since the last meeting, but that is understandable given the part of the cycle we are in.. Important QA is still happening, many thanks to those I've approached for specific QA's and who have diligently acted :) | |
| 20:15 | #topic General development discussion | |
| 20:15 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:16 | ashimema | #info I have been using a new keyword `rel_20_05_target` to start grouping bugs which missed the freezes this cycle but seem to be close to reaching maturity. I would like to promote focusing on pushing them over the line early next cycle. |
| 20:17 | No other general trends to report at the moment.. I hope to pick things back up again come the next cycle :) | |
| 20:17 | #topic Review of coding guidelines | |
| 20:17 | Topic for #koha is now Review of coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:17 | ashimema | #info Nothing to report |
| 20:18 | anyone got anything they would like to raise, questions they'd like to ask? | |
| 20:18 | ok... | |
| 20:19 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 20:19 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 20 November 2019) | |
| 20:20 | oleonard | Are we looking at two weeks out? The 4th? |
| 20:20 | ashimema | Lets stick to the pattern.. I have a feeling the next meeting will be a rather quiet one ;) |
| 20:20 | 4 December, 1pm | |
| 20:21 | 1pm UTC that is.. I believe | |
| 20:21 | thd | +1 |
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| 20:22 | ashimema | #info Next meeting: 04 December 2019, 13 UTC |
| 20:22 | ok, that was a nice quick one.. | |
| 20:22 | * thd | will still be in New York and may be stuck in New York if not scrambling to find the right proofs of identity. |
| 20:22 | ashimema | thanks to all those who attended :) |
| 20:22 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:22 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:22 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Nov 20 20:22:21 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:22 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-11-20-20.00.html | |
| 20:22 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]9-11-20-20.00.txt | |
| 20:22 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]20-20.00.log.html | |
| 20:22 | davidnind | ashimema++ |
| 20:22 | oleonard | ashimema++ |
| 20:22 | G&T++ | |
| 20:22 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:22 | caroline_catlady | ashimema++ |
| 20:23 | ashimema | in other news.. thanks for all the efforts on the manual in the last couple of weeks.. well over the whole cycle really.. but particularly the last couple of weeks there seems to have been a real uptick :) |
| 20:23 | It's great to see | |
| 20:24 | caroline_catlady | lucyvh++ |
| 20:24 | she's been on fire! | |
| 20:24 | davidnind | lucyvh++ |
| 20:25 | everyone has been great! | |
| 20:25 | although, because of me, we are still trying to get 19.05 changes in - haven't even tackled 19.11 changes yet :-( | |
| 20:26 | caroline_catlady | not because of you... I was in charge of 19.05 |
| 20:26 | * thd | turns back into a pumpkin if he does not locate some identity documents before his birthday. |
| 20:26 | caroline_catlady | We're slowly getting there |
| 20:27 | davidnind | too many changes, never enough time! |
| 20:27 | caroline_catlady | amen! |
| 20:27 | davidnind | (good changes though) |
| 20:28 | might try and do a 'human readable' summary of what's new for 19.11 as a teaser until the details are available in the 19.11 manual | |
| 20:28 | caroline_catlady | yeah I was planning something like that for 20.05 |
| 20:28 | Currently writing one up for 19,05 and 18.11 for our clients | |
| 20:29 | hence my contributions to the manual :) | |
| 20:29 | davidnind | ByWaters has been doing the same for 19.05 |
| 20:29 | caroline_catlady++ | |
| 20:30 | caroline_catlady | Iw onder if we could somehow "tag" the new stuff we write up and summarize the release notes that way |
| 20:30 | davidnind | aslso, a good education meeting yesterday as well |
| 20:30 | caroline_catlady | another thing to think about for the modular approach to the manual |
| 20:31 | davidnind | maybe have a curated what's new section in the manual - with the key new features and enhancements highlighted to get libraries excited! |
| 20:31 | oleonard | See y'all later |
| 20:31 | caroline_catlady | yes! I love it! |
| 20:32 | Would that new section be a collection of links to different parts of the manual or actual sections? | |
| 20:33 | When we merge we could add either the link or the section to that What's new section | |
| 20:33 | ashimema | I'd love to be able to link to the manual from the release notes for new features ;) |
| 20:33 | caroline_catlady | you have to help us create permalinks then :) |
| 20:34 | davidnind | ideally this should be generated, but manually it would be a summary and then point to the details (if they are in the manual) - but a nice succinct summary would be a start |
| 20:34 | caroline_catlady | I didn't much understand your answer btw :( |
| 20:34 | davidnind | ashiema: that would be great |
| 20:34 | caroline_catlady | symlinks? how do we generate those? |
| 20:36 | ashimema | it's a serverside thing.. we'd need to ask rangi or wizzyrea |
| 20:37 | (or in the future andreasm might be able to do it, once we've onboarded him for website maintanence.. it's on my list to catch wizzyrea) | |
| 20:37 | caroline_catlady | would we have to do something in the actual text? |
| 20:40 | ashimema | What exactly do you mean by deep links? |
| 20:41 | if you're just saying you want to put a link to a particular section in the manual from your own documentation | |
| 20:41 | and always get the latest version.. | |
| 20:41 | caroline_catlady | yes exactly that (for training material or blog posts) |
| 20:41 | ashimema | then.. so long as the general structure of the manual doesn't change.. then we can use the existing data and just use a symlink to say instead of |
| 20:42 | `https://koha-community.org/man[…]oha-web-installer` | |
| 20:42 | you'd link to | |
| 20:42 | `https://koha-community.org/man[…]oha-web-installer` | |
| 20:42 | caroline_catlady | ok cool! |
| 20:42 | ashimema | and that would automagically take you to 19.11 when 19.11 is the current release.. or 20.05 when it's 20.05 or whatever.. |
| 20:43 | caroline_catlady | yes exactly! that is what we want |
| 20:43 | ashimema | so 'latest' is a 'placeholder' word for 'give me the latest version here |
| 20:43 | * caroline_catlady | likes using the royal we |
| 20:43 | ashimema | rangi the manual is servered from one of your servers isn't it.. |
| 20:43 | caroline_catlady | I don't pretend to speak in the name of anybody else |
| 20:44 | ashimema | I'm talking without full knowledge here.. hopefully that's not a crazy suggestions ^ |
| 20:44 | rangi | ashimema: nope |
| 20:44 | davidnind | it is a good one though! |
| 20:44 | rangi | its only wizzyrea linode |
| 20:44 | it's on even | |
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| 20:45 | wizzyrea | hi what |
| 20:45 | did someone need something from me? | |
| 20:45 | caroline_catlady | yes, read back a couple of message |
| 20:46 | I'd like to be able to have permalinks to sections of the manual | |
| 20:46 | to use in training material or blog posts | |
| 20:46 | and ashimema was suggestions symlinks | |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | oh |
| 20:46 | caroline_catlady | but apparently you have to do it on your server |
| 20:47 | we could substitute "latest" for the version number | |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | right |
| 20:47 | ok I see yeah | |
| 20:48 | ashimema | I'm basically stealing the idea from how we always link to the latest version of koha downloads ;) |
| 20:48 | so can't realy claim it was my idea.. I just borrowed it.. hopefully it wouldn't be something too horribly difficult | |
| 20:48 | davidnind | the other way is with redirects (which are different from symbolic links) you would need a file with the patterns e.g. go from here to there for any requests, the webserver configuration would just include this file |
| 20:49 | ashimema | wizzyrea.. would be good to catch you at some point to talk website and the website maintainer role.. andreas has offered to help there.. hopefully we can help spread the load a little so you're not so burdened with it.. |
| 20:49 | davidnind | that way the documentation team could maintain, then make a request to update it to the newest version |
| 20:51 | ashimema | readthedocs does it like this too |
| 20:56 | davidnind | release notes while I don't forget - not that anyone has time to watch webinars, these ones are great https://easydita.com/?s=release+notes + an example https://docs.easydita.com/docs[…]0-release-details |
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| 21:08 | urra[m] | Hello |
| 21:09 | I am trying to.migrate from 3.06 to 19.05 and I do not find how to export authorities from the 3.06 | |
| 21:13 | caroline_catlady | Sorry, I've never used 3,06 |
| 21:14 | Are your authorities very complex? (like with tracings and things) | |
| 21:15 | urra[m] | <caroline_catlady "Sorry, I've never used 3,06"> I am migrating from that version to 19.05 and I do not find information about how to export authorities |
| 21:15 | I already export import bibliographic records and it works perfect | |
| 21:15 | But I do not afind how to export authorities from the 3.06 version | |
| 21:16 | Anyway thanks a lot | |
| 21:16 | caroline_catlady | I thought there was a script to create authorities automatically from your bibliographic records, but I can't find it |
| 21:17 | urra[m] | Yes I saw that if I cannot export I will try to generate the authorities from the bibliographic records |
| 21:17 | davidnind | urra: later versions of Koha let you export authorities Staff interface > Tools > Catalog > Export data > Export authority records tab |
| 21:18 | but 3.06 might not have that :-( | |
| 21:18 | urra[m] | And that is great ... The problem is that I need to import from a previous version the authorities |
| 21:19 | I find 19.05 great | |
| 21:20 | And I am waiting for 19.11 | |
| 21:20 | Thanks everybody for such quit responses ,,:-) | |
| 21:21 | davidnind | (I actually know nothing about cataloguing... sorry I couldn't be of more help) |
| 21:21 | caroline_catlady | maybe use the script export_records.pl? |
| 21:22 | not sure if it exists in 3.06 | |
| 21:22 | but probably if you were able to export your bib records | |
| 21:22 | urra[m] | I will try :-):-):-) |
| 21:23 | Maybe something could be done directly in SQL? | |
| 21:23 | caroline_catlady | hum, maybe if the db structure hasn't changed too much |
| 21:24 | urra[m] | 3.06 has catalog export |
| 21:24 | caroline_catlady | you could cump and reimport |
| 21:24 | urra[m] | Very easy |
| 21:24 | caroline_catlady | *dump |
| 21:24 | urra[m] | Thanks Caroline |
| 21:25 | That is a good suggestion | |
| 21:26 | caroline_catlady | but like I said, if you don't have tracings (4XX and 5XX) fields in your authorities, I would just use the build_authorities script |
| 21:27 | urra[m] | Ok |
| 21:27 | I will check and let you know | |
| 21:27 | :-) | |
| 21:30 | davidnind | urra: I wouldn't wait for 19.11 - I would go for 19.05 and perhaps upgrade to 19.11 after a few point releases (I think many libraries take this approach, new releases are stable but sometimes they may have one or two things that don't work as expected - these get fixed pretty quickly though...) |
| 21:31 | urra[m] | Agree David.. I already installed 19.05 |
| 21:31 | And I am enjoying it | |
| 21:31 | davidnind | excellent! |
| 21:31 | wahanui | darn tootin' it is. |
| 21:35 | urra[m] | http://23.239.14.152 |
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| 21:55 | davidnind | ashimema: thanks for updating the wiki for the next documentation meeting |
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| 22:22 | davidnind | rangi: just because I spotted it, on Catalyst's Koha OPAC demo in the welcome message before news - the link to the manual is to the 16.11 version (not a biggy really) |
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| 23:52 | caroline_catlady | good night everyone! (I'll probably be back later tonight though...) |
| 23:54 | rangi | thanks davidnind |
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| 23:56 | davidnind | have a great evening caroline_catlady! |
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