IRC log for #koha, 2019-09-23

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07:27 liliputech_asu hello :)
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09:08 ashimema hmm
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09:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23425: (QA follow-up) Keep it generic <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]be941662ff773db44>
09:46 News from kohagit: Bug 23605: Fix terminology for branches limitations on patron category admin page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2385f040c2734a027>
09:46 News from kohagit: Bug 23526: Don't use encoded question mark in shib_login_url <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a023f7dbddb6843ea>
09:46 News from kohagit: Bug 23425: Display the MARCXML error in the Metadata::Invalid exception message <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4b29cfe291aff48f5>
09:48 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #399: STILL FAILING in 6.9 sec: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/399/
09:48 * cait waves
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10:10 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23623: (RM follow-up) Minor JS Tidy <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a5d81961289cac169>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 22837: (follow-up) Fix POD <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5e4377a1eda0488fe>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 22837: (follow-up) Fix some tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b5864213cd9f51d0e>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23623: (follow-up) Add missing filters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]276d33bad98177697>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23623: (follow-up) Add missing comma in ajax call definition <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f326b5a3e1e09b7b7>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23623: Use the new API for changing privacy settings (guarantors) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0442f3163dc43b95c>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23623: Remove the svc/patron/show* scripts <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ded7a4f6680494706>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23584: Add the controller method and tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]911705d22f6af1b9c>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23584: Add spec for PUT /public/patron/:patron_id/guarantors <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]70a192ce413e834f1>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 23537: Overdrive won't show complete results at all times <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e7dc40f374cb40ad1>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 22837: Update callers to use new signature <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]060a9d8b80b2e7975>
10:10 News from kohagit: Bug 22837: Update apply to accept an arrayref <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a001648eab887f19e>
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10:33 ashimema poor Jenkins.. I think I broke him..
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10:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23321: DBRev 19.06.00.029 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7a3139dac882e6d14>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (QA follow-up) Accounts vs. Accounting <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]59235b8725d8c7305>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Add Koha::Object(s) info to the schema <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4bb59739acdd7eb78>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (QA follow-up) Add missing TT filters <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]51ca1468aea68100d>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (QA follow-up) Booleans <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fda93760ae447dc97>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (QA follow-up) Make atomic update idempotent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c2334f7945070a388>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Add cash register support to paycollect <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1e075d4105701f275>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Allow setting of branch default <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]178df9cbf6704f9d1>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Koha::Library additions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]05e6c677cf518fa4d>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Add cash register management <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c90487b3978cfaf1b>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (follow-up) Add test for Koha::Account change <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]94738e5e621c32f3b>
10:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #876: STILL UNSTABLE in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/876/
10:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (follow-up) Correction to exception logic <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]06bf772ae3a44b02f>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (follow-up) Add cash register to admin-menu <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6ca6e5a3593adb0ed>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: (follow-up) Require cash registers for payments <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]dd64400fa00e1a283>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Add cash register preference <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]344b92d68d7e9a6a2>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Add cash register permission <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7213d9d7d2b348931>
10:50 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: DBIC Classes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5f98fb3daf7d366ee>
10:51 News from kohagit: Bug 23321: Add cash_registers table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]68ec2343053731ec5>
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11:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 22744: Changes for opac and remove JS <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ce83ec0639ea4f849>
11:00 News from kohagit: Bug 23517: (follow-up) More test cases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f3aa57b47ad72fda6>
11:00 News from kohagit: Bug 23517: (follow-up) Tidy tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3170a782e4c9d4db9>
11:00 News from kohagit: Bug 23517: Add the controller method for holds priorities handling <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2e2c2262eed7dbec3>
11:00 News from kohagit: Bug 23517: Add a spec for PUT /holds/{hold_id}/priority <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]186ceaad42d37d649>
11:00 News from kohagit: Bug 22744: Remove the 'do not notify' buttons <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a7b4da671bf0fd635>
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11:25 oleonard Hi all
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11:33 cait hi oleonard
11:34 RM is making so much noise today ;)
11:36 ashimema I've just marked Docker_1 as offline (that's the one that builds D8)
11:36 it seems to be stuck in a loop
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12:53 ashimema Did I see oleonard
12:54 just wanted to thank him for the Icon work on friday.. looks great
12:54 oleonard I don't think so
12:54 @seen oleonard
12:54 huginn oleonard: oleonard was last seen in #koha 9 seconds ago: <oleonard> I don't think so
12:54 oleonard Oh wait there he is
12:54 ashimema :)
12:56 oleonard I'm glad it worked for you ashimema
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13:33 caroline_catlady good morning!
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14:07 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady
14:12 * cait waves
14:13 cait tcohen++ thx!
14:13 ashimema ?
14:14 cait some bugs i asked him about :)
14:15 ashimema :)
14:15 tcohen++
14:15 tcohen hola
14:16 cait he must have heard us .)
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15:03 caroline_catlady I'm trying to explain the logic for the "no renewals before" value in the circ rules in regard to the automatic renewal
15:04 Does this make sense? "The logic for this value is that there must be LESS THAN X days before the due date left for the script to renew. So if you enter 1, the items will only be renewed on the day they are due (because 0 days left is LESS THAN 1). If you enter 2, the items will be renewed the day before (because 1 day left is LESS THAN 2)"<
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15:09 caroline_catlady I plan on changing it in the manual too because I never remember what that value is supposed to be ^^;
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15:35 cait caroline_catlady: you lsot me
15:35 maybe ....
15:35 caroline_catlady :/
15:35 If I lost you, that's not good...
15:36 cait the renewal will not be possible immediately to prevent 'gaming' the system. Renewals will be possible x days before the due date as set in this parameter
15:36 with a bit of... more nice english
15:38 caroline_catlady So, at first I thought that if I entered 1, the renewal would happen 1 day before the due date (so let's say the due date is tomorrow, 1day before is today so the renewal would happen today), but when I tested with 1 day, it would only renew if the due date was today
15:38 ugh... can't explain it well
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15:41 cait for auto-renewals
15:42 because it will only try then first
15:42 but it's not only for auto-reneawls
15:42 we are talking about "No renewal before" right? not the "after" one?
15:43 caroline_catlady yeah no renewal before
15:43 cait yeah that is older than auto-renewals :)
15:43 caroline_catlady It's the one you have to use with the auto_renewal, right?
15:43 cait actually was implemented without them in mind, but also interesting if you are using auto-renewals
15:43 the library that we had that wanted it was about 'not gaming the system'
15:43 if you have koha add the renewal period to the end of the due date, they didn't want people to check out books and go straight to the opac and renew
15:43 caroline_catlady The thing with auto_renewal is that you have to put something in there otherwise it will renew everyday
15:44 cait yes
15:44 so it has uses for both with ad without auto-renewal
15:44 because if Koha doesn't allow renewals before it gets closer to due date... that means also that auto-renew will tried later
15:46 wizzyrea hi
15:48 caroline_catlady hi wizzyrea!
16:02 cait caroline_catlady: guess i can't explain either :)
16:02 have to go - bye all!
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16:25 bdonnahue1 hey all, im getting lost in the terminology etc. I want to add a book to my library; ie I want to store metadata about the book like tlte and author and I want to store the book itself or a url to a remote server that hosts the book
16:25 what is the koha way of saying all this?
16:25 adding a record?
16:26 caroline_catlady cataloguing? adding a record is good too
16:26 bdonnahue1 hi caroline_catlady thanks! thats what I was thinking
16:27 for some reason, when I add a MARC record to my catalogue... i canont find it in search results
16:27 I think maybe a service is not working correctly or something?
16:27 caroline_catlady You have to build your index
16:28 it's usually in a cron somewhere
16:28 bdonnahue1 im not sure what that means, can you rephrase?
16:28 caroline_catlady hehe!
16:29 The index is a place where the search engine goes to look when you do a search. It's faster than searching in the database. So when you catalogue something (add a record) the record is added to the database, but not the index
16:29 There is a script that does this
16:30 it's called rebuild_zebra (if you use zebra as your indexing tool, which you probably are, you can look it up in Administration > System preferences > SearchEngine)
16:31 a cron is a set of instructions for the server to run scripts periodically
16:31 bdonnahue1 thanks caroline_catlady, i will have a look at the UI now
16:32 caroline_catlady since you want to add new records to your index fairly frequently, you want to add the script that adds records to the index to a cron so that it is run every * minutes that way you will be able to find the records soon after you catalog them
16:33 I don't think you will be able to do this through the interface
16:33 Do you have a system administrator? (the person who manages your server)
16:34 They would be able to look at your crontab (the list of all the crons) and add it if needed
16:34 bdonnahue1 i would be the admin, i can make the cron tab modifications
16:34 caroline_catlady +1 great!
16:34 bdonnahue1 still trying to track down the Searchengine page in the UI
16:35 caroline_catlady In Koha, go to Administration and search for the SearchEngine system preference
16:35 bdonnahue1 Im on main page > Koha Administration
16:35 not seeing anything about SearchEngine
16:36 caroline_catlady in the search box, search for SearchEngine
16:37 bdonnahue1 If I type "SearchEngine" into the "Search System Preferences" search box and hit enter, I see a table where SearchEngine in the left column is matched to a drop down in the right column which says "Use the following search engine: zebra"
16:38 caroline_catlady ok, so you're using zebra
16:38 so you have to add the rebuild_zebra.pl script to your crontab
16:39 bdonnahue1 ok, let me google and see where that is. also, does it need params?
16:39 caroline_catlady We configure ours to run every minute
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16:40 caroline_catlady params : -b -a -z
16:40 bdonnahue1 ahh when i was installing koha i ran koha-rebuild-zebra
16:40 sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f $LIBRARY_NAME
16:40 i suppose that is what needs to be rerun?
16:41 caroline_catlady yes!
16:41 it needs to run often
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16:41 bdonnahue1 ahh ok. i reran and see 1 record exported
16:42 i assume export means it was taken from the db and added to the index?
16:42 caroline_catlady exactly!
16:42 bdonnahue1 ah ok. so is there a way I can browse and confirm the record was added?
16:43 caroline_catlady Go to your catalog and do a search for that record
16:43 bdonnahue1 is there a browse functionaitly? search is not retunring anything
16:44 caroline_catlady I think you can search the index, but it's complicated... I'll have to check in my notes for the commands
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16:45 bdonnahue1 thanks :)
16:46 caroline_catlady first, you have to go in the koha-conf.xml file and look for the yaz biblio address
16:46 then type yaz-client unix:blahblahblah
16:46 (where blahblahblah is your address)
16:46 then type base biblios
16:46 form xml
16:46 elem index
16:47 then you can start your search
16:48 I don't have any other notes after this ^^;
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16:50 bdonnahue1 ok, let me have a look.
16:51 unix:/var/run/koha/library/bibliosocket
16:53 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
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17:04 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
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17:05 Yippee, build fixed!
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17:17 bdonnahue2 are there any sanity checks i can do to test that the index contains what it should and koha can reach the index?
17:17 I assume the ui would report any serious problems?
17:19 caroline_catlady This is beyond my knowledge, so I'll let someone else answer, sorry!
17:21 bdonnahue2 no worries, thanks for the help thus far :)
17:38 when i use the yaz-client, i am able to see a hit for my record
17:39 the query tells me no records are returned though
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18:00 bdonnahue2 search should be out of the box functionality right? i wouldnt need to turn anything on would i?
18:01 caroline_catlady no, (other than running that cron)
18:03 bdonnahue2 any idea what it means for the yaz-client to return a search hit and not a record?
18:09 caroline_catlady I had the same thing earlier when I was doing tests to find the commands, I thought I had just not written my query correctly
18:10 bdonnahue2 wondering if a log file would have query details
18:13 not seeing anything
18:28 caroline_catlady there is a log file for searches made through the opac (catalogue) or the staff interface
18:29 the opac one is called koha-opac-error_log
18:30 I notice there is also one called koha-zebradaemon-output.log
18:30 not sur if this is only active if the parameter -daemon is used...
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18:51 bdonnahue2 caroline_catlady, trying to figure out how to modify the parameters for the zebra service to include -v all
18:51 $INDEXER_PARAMS has the value in code, just not sure where it gets set
18:51 following: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]_Searching_Issues
18:55 caroline_catlady I'm not sure what you mean
18:56 where do you see INDEXER_PARAMS?
19:02 Just a note that I've been told our installations are not standard. We use or don't use packages whereas other people use or don't use them (not shure which is which)
19:10 Just tried to run with the different verbose parameters (-v, -v all, -v -v) and it doesn't seem to change much
19:25 bdonnahue2 caroline_catlady, i found it... i had to trace through the code and make some awkward mods but i was able to get zebra server to start with the verbose arguments mentioned in that wiki article
19:25 i am now trying to figure out why zebra is returning search hits and koha is not
19:25 hopefully the verbose logs show some silent errors
19:25 my ui is acting like nothing is in the index
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19:28 bdonnahue2 here are my logs: https://paste.centos.org/view/8e4f92e2
19:29 looks like a silent error: [requestdetail] [1011] Init/AC: Bad Userid and/or Password -- kohauser
19:35 I see that user in my /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml in a section that looks like its related to zebra
19:35 is kohauser supposed to be a system account or something?
19:36 not finding anything in the documentation
19:37 inferring... i think this is the database user that zebra uses (but i could be wrong)
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20:00 bdonnahue2 not sure where this is set
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20:34 bdonnahue2 i have changed every kohauser reference on my filesystem and restarted koha and still cannot login
20:35 where the F does zebra get configured !?
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22:58 bdonnahue2 i cannot figure out how to ket zebra configured... i keep getting a the same error message
23:02 caroline_catlady bdonnahue2: maybe send a message to the mailing list? a lot more people read the emails than there are here
23:02 good night all!
23:03 bdonnahue2 caroline_catlady, night :)
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