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| 04:04 | KeithS | I am looking for guidance on updating the authorities file based on biblio data. In transition from another system that did not use authorities, I imported the biblio data into Koha (17.11). Now when I want to edit the subject tracings of a manually imported biblio, it doesn't allow me to edit. I assume this is because the new subject tracing is not in the Authorities. Are there any shortcuts on this? |
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| 07:03 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 07:03 | wahanui | hello, alex_a |
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| 07:10 | andreashm | salut |
| 07:11 | cait | good morning #koha! |
| 07:11 | andreashm | hey cait |
| 07:11 | upgrade to 18.11 completed. yay! | |
| 07:11 | liliputech_asu | morning :) |
| 07:12 | cait | andreashm: let me know how it goes! |
| 07:12 | but great to hear :) | |
| 07:13 | andreashm | it went well. had some issues with automatic renewals and fines as cronjobs didn't run in the correct order when we started them again. but that was our fault, we should schedule them better. |
| 07:14 | cait: ^ | |
| 07:16 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:16 | cait | ah yeah... i had some merge error there too in the past :) |
| 07:16 | nothing bad tho, but good to keep an eye on the files | |
| 07:20 | andreashm | most things we've had issues with is our own fault basically. Koha has been behaving well. =) |
| 07:20 | hi magnuse | |
| 07:20 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #363: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/363/ |
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| 07:22 | cait | andreashm: :) |
| 07:25 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 14570: (RM follow-up) Add class relatinship to BorrowerRelationship <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]31c79c1a90bf91436> |
| 07:36 | magnuse | andreashm: ansible all the things! ;-) |
| 07:44 | cait | ansible++ :) |
| 07:58 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 07:58 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 07:58 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #854: FIXED in 29 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/854/ |
| 08:00 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 08:04 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:05 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:05 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #339: FIXED in 39 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/339/ |
| 08:11 | ashimema | woop, woop |
| 08:11 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #364: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/364/ |
| 08:11 | ashimema | dang.. typo in my own commit message.. |
| 08:11 | oops | |
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| 08:55 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #365: STILL UNSTABLE in 43 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/365/ |
| 09:05 | KeithS | What is the apt-get command to install koha 17.11. I am migrating servers and need to install the older version before updating. I assume apt-get install koka-core will install the latest version. |
| 09:08 | cait | KeithS: I think you woudl have to go differently as the 17.11 is no longer maintained |
| 09:09 | may i ask why you want to install the old version first? | |
| 09:10 | you can load your db into a newer version to trigger an update (I asusme you can install older manually, but that might be a way to avoid that) | |
| 09:11 | https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ki/Koha_on_Debian here is some information about the setup - you can see ther eis no codename for 17.11 anymore | |
| 09:12 | or maybe 17.11 woudl still work - does someone else know? | |
| 09:12 | ashimema | anyone got any ideas for new features or enhancements that would 'improve social mobility' ? |
| 09:12 | KeithS | @cait, so if I install latest version (19.x), I can I do a restore from a koha backup made on a version 17.11? |
| 09:12 | huginn` | KeithS: I suck |
| 09:12 | ashimema | wierd tender question.. how will your product/company improve the social mobility of the local area.. |
| 09:13 | cait | KeithS: yes |
| 09:13 | the application detects the mismatch between the versoin in the db and the koha version and starts an update process | |
| 09:15 | ashimema: what is social mobility? | |
| 09:15 | KeithS | Just for my personal clarity: (1) run koha-backups on existing server (2) install latest version on new server (3) copy gz files to new server (4) run koha-restore (5) Koha updates db |
| 09:16 | ashimema | ermm.. |
| 09:16 | cait | ashimema: i am looking it up right now :P |
| 09:16 | KeithS: i think in theory yes - haven't used the back up tools myself yet | |
| 09:16 | hm | |
| 09:16 | ashimema | erm.. ways to help people help themselves.. |
| 09:16 | cait | maybe you want to do a dump instead |
| 09:16 | ashimema | moving up the social/class ladder |
| 09:16 | cait | you will need to create the db with the dump |
| 09:17 | not load into an existing one | |
| 09:17 | ashimema | loosely relates to accessability too |
| 09:17 | KeithS | mysqldump? |
| 09:17 | cait | not sure what the restore does... ashimema do you know? |
| 09:17 | KeithS: wondering if the backups /restore contain just the data or also the statements to create the tables | |
| 09:17 | you don't want to load data into a 19.05 db - you want your 17.11 db as it is now so the update works smootly | |
| 09:18 | ashimema | afraid we don't use the backup tools either.. we just mysqldump |
| 09:18 | cait | yeah it's what i have used too |
| 09:18 | KeithS: mysqldump is easy to use -if you look it up i'd try that | |
| 09:18 | KeithS | SO... mysqldump on existing server, then rebuild on new system and allow new system to read and update it |
| 09:18 | cait | if you look at the files, there should be "create table" statements in it |
| 09:19 | yes | |
| 09:19 | and don't run the web installer on your new server | |
| 09:19 | load the db | |
| 09:19 | KeithS | After loading then run the web installer? |
| 09:19 | cait | it shoudl then trigger that yep |
| 09:19 | KeithS | THANKS LOADS! |
| 09:19 | cait | but you don#t want it to create a 19.05 db first |
| 09:20 | as you are testing first (i hope) things should work out :) | |
| 09:21 | ashimema: i've looked up social mobility and still have no clue... | |
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| 09:22 | ashimema | did my description help at all cait ? |
| 09:23 | cait | which description? |
| 09:24 | ashimema | social mobility: the upward movement of population through the class system |
| 09:24 | cait | that didn't come through |
| 09:25 | ashimema | so in this context really it's about finding ways to help people help themselves to better themselves.. |
| 09:25 | cait | ah ok... not the same wording |
| 09:25 | ashimema | sorta relates to accessability too |
| 09:25 | cait | maybe somethign about company policy for personal development? |
| 09:25 | accessibility might be good too yes | |
| 09:25 | ashimema | general 'how will your product help make the area a better place to live' |
| 09:25 | cait | internships? |
| 09:25 | as you are pretty spread out it's hard to apply i guess | |
| 09:26 | ashimema | problem is.. it all has the caveat of it has to help their local population.. and none of us are based there.. |
| 09:26 | indeed | |
| 09:28 | hense I was looking for new features or improvements to koha we could code do probono that would help the whole community in this sort of respect but could also be sold as great locally | |
| 09:28 | accessability seems a good one.. | |
| 09:28 | tracking of mobile libraries on a map perhaps | |
| 09:28 | those sorts of things.. | |
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| 09:30 | eythian | ashimema: it should totally be easy to waffle on about how contributions to free software library systems go towards improving literacy of people in disadvantaged areas etc. |
| 09:30 | ashimema | Indeed.. except they add the local factor again.. |
| 09:34 | eythian | "this then improves the availability of freely distributable, modifiable, and customisable library systems for local organisations such as community centres and schools (etc.)" |
| 09:34 | ashimema | nice |
| 09:36 | cait | eythian++ |
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| 10:10 | calire | anyone else got issues accessing bugs.koha-community.org? |
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| 10:35 | calire | seems to be back, but slow |
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| 10:46 | eythian | it's looking slow/not responding from here |
| 10:47 | yep, not responding | |
| 10:59 | magnuse | bit slow, but works for me |
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| 11:34 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:44 | oleonard | ashimema around? |
| 11:46 | ashimema | hi |
| 11:46 | wahanui | hello, ashimema |
| 11:47 | oleonard | ashimema: I'm getting an error when running the db update for Bug 14570 |
| 11:47 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to master , Make it possible to add multiple guarantors to a record |
| 11:47 | ashimema | poop |
| 11:48 | what's the error.. I thought I'd tested it pretty well with all sorts of wierd data issues | |
| 11:48 | I must have missed a case | |
| 11:49 | oleonard | http://paste.koha-community.org/8450 |
| 11:50 | it is not uncommon for me to have updatedatabase errors because I have crufty data | |
| 11:51 | cait | which makes you a great tester |
| 11:57 | oleonard | This did not help me get that job as gourmet chocolate tester |
| 11:57 | ashimema | lol |
| 11:57 | cait | :) |
| 11:57 | ashimema | that's a really wierd error |
| 11:58 | `duplicate key on write or update`.. when creating the table in the first palce | |
| 11:58 | * `duplicate key on write or update`.. when creating the table in the first place | |
| 11:58 | did you test this patch before.. does your db already have the table? | |
| 11:59 | oh.. no.. no it cant have as the next line populating the table also fails because the table doens't exist yet! | |
| 11:59 | wow | |
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| 12:39 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
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| 13:10 | andreashm | oleonard: that looks kind of like the errors we where getting because of utf8mb4 and duplicates on foreign keys. When running updatedatabase.pl the tablespace got messed up and we had tables that both existed and didn't. |
| 13:10 | I really need to write down that bug | |
| 13:10 | cait | that sounds awful |
| 13:11 | ashimema | is josef_moravec still lurking.. not seen him around in ages |
| 13:11 | andreashm | josef had seen similar |
| 13:11 | cait: yes, it was | |
| 13:12 | it delayed us upgrading from june to august | |
| 13:12 | ashimema | haha.. that may have well been what made me just think of him |
| 13:12 | andreashm | https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]hen-using-utf8mb4 |
| 13:12 | ashimema | a vague recollection he had mentioned something similar |
| 13:12 | * cait | realized she shoudl update translatoins |
| 13:12 | * andreashm | is not a fan of the choice to have that collation as default |
| 13:12 | cait | well... translate actually, they have been updated |
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| 13:13 | ashimema | hmm.. we've had it as default for years longer than community have here.. |
| 13:13 | it's the 'safest' to ensure utf8 compatability for all | |
| 13:13 | andreashm | ashimema: maybe not so many customers that have weird diacritics/different letters? |
| 13:14 | yes, but utf8mb4_bin would have been better from what I understand | |
| 13:14 | ashimema | mm.. perhaps.. |
| 13:14 | * ashimema | can't remember the difference.. |
| 13:14 | andreashm | ashimema: yes, good for korean, japanese etc., bad for nordic countries and eastern europe. |
| 13:14 | * ashimema | also can't remember if it was around when we first moved to utf8mb4 |
| 13:15 | ashimema | bad for nordic? |
| 13:15 | andreashm | ashimema: _bin seems to make a difference for diacritics and case |
| 13:15 | ashimema | in what way? |
| 13:15 | andreashm | The letters O and Ö are both treated as O |
| 13:15 | * ashimema | is more than happy for a bug to be submitted to suggest such a change.. |
| 13:15 | andreashm | This creates duplicates. Especially bad in foreign keys (for us, mostly user.id) |
| 13:15 | ashimema | though as you've shown earlier.. such a change for upgrades is just painful |
| 13:16 | andreashm | Yeah, don't know the best way around this. |
| 13:16 | ashimema | any chance you could write that up.. it does sound like something I'd like to pursue |
| 13:16 | hugs :) | |
| 13:16 | * ashimema | takes dog for a quick walk whilst he ponders |
| 13:16 | andreashm | But I should start with writing that bug. It's high on my todo list (unfortunately, so are a lot of other things) |
| 13:18 | But I'll try to add a bug for that later today (tonight) | |
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| 13:33 | ashimema | Hmm, I think I remember some of the reasoning behind not using _bin now.. it was to do with not wanting to require exact character (including accents) for searching or something |
| 13:33 | Needs thought | |
| 13:46 | tcohen | morning all |
| 13:47 | cait | bug 23484 ouch |
| 13:47 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23484 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Holds to pull (pendingreserves.pl) uses removed default_branch_item_rules table |
| 13:47 | cait | morning tcohen |
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| 14:20 | cait | tcohen: can you please have a loo at 15497? |
| 14:21 | I think it depens on bug 23281, correct? (I've added it, but want to make sure) | |
| 14:21 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23281 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to master , Add Koha::Objects::Limit::Library |
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| 14:22 | oleonard | ashimema: I was afk for a while... Does your finding suggest a fix I can do on my end? |
| 14:22 | tcohen | it doesn't |
| 14:22 | ^^ cait | |
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| 14:23 | tcohen | Koha::Object::Limit::Library <> Koha::ObjectS::Limit::Library |
| 14:23 | ashimema | I couldn't work it out oleonard :( |
| 14:52 | Nemo_bis | There's a Koha discussion room now at Skövde |
| 15:22 | cait | tcohen: ok? |
| 15:22 | can you explain? | |
| 15:22 | i mean why we need both... | |
| 15:22 | in this case (I know we need both) | |
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| 15:23 | cait | hm or maybe not... heh, it's confusing, but might be not good right now to get more confsued |
| 15:33 | * Nemo_bis | updated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]e)#Current_status |
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| 17:11 | tcohen | @later tell cait those classes are used to add superpowers to Koha::Object(s)-based classes. Specifically, Koha::Object::Limits::Library adds a Koha::Object based class the ability to define library constraints to the object (i.e. it adds methods so those limits can be added). Then Koha::Objects::Limits::Library adds plural classes a new method: search_with_library_limits that does what we would expect from it, perform a regular search on |
| 17:11 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:11 | tcohen | the table, but crafting the query so the (added) library_id parameter is used to filter the results based on the configured limits |
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| 17:29 | phasefx_ | hi guys, if a bug fix broke something, do you report a new bug or re-open the bug associated with the commit that broke things? |
| 17:32 | oleonard | A new bug, with the old bug as a dependency |
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| 18:26 | kidclamp | oleonard: looking from mobile, yes it makes much more sense |
| 18:26 | I still think the plus minus would help | |
| 18:27 | on a browser search it is confusing, clicking to hide really isn't helpful when not no mobile | |
| 18:27 | oleonard | It probably shouldn't do anything at all if the layout isn't narrow |
| 18:27 | The "refine" link I mean | |
| 18:28 | kidclamp | if it could not be a link that would be ideal on wide display |
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| 18:54 | greenjimll | Dev meeting in five minutes or so? |
| 18:55 | oleonard | https://www.timeanddate.com/co[…]s%20IRC%20Meeting |
| 18:58 | kidclamp: Working on it. More tomorrow. | |
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| 19:03 | kidclamp | dev meeting? |
| 19:03 | greenjimll | Yep. |
| 19:04 | kidclamp | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 21 August 2019 |
| 19:04 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Aug 21 19:04:22 2019 UTC. The chair is kidclamp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 21 August 2019) | |
| 19:04 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_21_august_2019' |
| 19:04 | kidclamp | #topic Introductions |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 21 August 2019) | |
| 19:04 | kidclamp | #info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:04 | greenjimll | #info Jon Knight, Loughborough University |
| 19:04 | kidclamp | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ng_21_August_2019 Agenda |
| 19:05 | davidnind | #info David Nind, New Zealand |
| 19:06 | kidclamp | sparse crowd |
| 19:07 | and a blank agenda | |
| 19:07 | greenjimll | "Select" I like to think. |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea |
| 19:07 | kidclamp | I will sugest waiting a few and skipping if no new comers? |
| 19:08 | #chair wizzyrea | |
| 19:08 | huginn` | Current chairs: kidclamp wizzyrea |
| 19:08 | davidnind | sounds good to me! |
| 19:08 | greenjimll | Fine. Only thing I want to talk about was kohadevbox resizing under AOB. |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | You are CHEEKY |
| 19:08 | kidclamp | AOB? |
| 19:08 | greenjimll | Any Other Business |
| 19:09 | kidclamp | we can all still disucsss :-) |
| 19:09 | even if not meeting | |
| 19:09 | greenjimll | Er, or "general discussion" according the agenda. :-) |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | so what about the devbox question? |
| 19:12 | no this isn't enough people to have a meeting I reckon | |
| 19:12 | kidclamp | #infoo Meeting tabled due ot low attendance |
| 19:12 | #info Meeting tabled due ot low attendance | |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | kidclamp++ |
| 19:12 | davidnind | agree! |
| 19:12 | kidclamp | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 19:12 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 21 August 2019) | |
| 19:13 | kidclamp | September 4? 13 UTC? |
| 19:13 | greenjimll | Well, I have repeatedly broken kohadevbox's by running out of disc space whilst doing "git pull" to update them. I've started to work on a Perl script to resize the VM, but wonder if others had same problem. |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | right |
| 19:13 | yes | |
| 19:13 | my way round it is to use SYNC_REPO | |
| 19:13 | don't keep the repo inside the devbox | |
| 19:14 | bonus you don't lose anything when you inevitably destroy your vagrant box for one reason or another | |
| 19:14 | davidnind | kidclamp++ |
| 19:14 | greenjimll | Ah, right. Is that recommended in the docs? Must have missed it. |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | I don't know if it's recommended |
| 19:14 | but it is listed as an option there | |
| 19:14 | I mean *I* recommend it | |
| 19:14 | greenjimll | :-) |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | it could probably *BE* a recommendation |
| 19:14 | :D | |
| 19:15 | kidclamp | #info Next meeting: 4 September 2019, 13 UTC |
| 19:15 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:15 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 19:15 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Aug 21 19:15:11 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:15 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-21-19.04.html | |
| 19:15 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]9-08-21-19.04.txt | |
| 19:15 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]21-19.04.log.html | |
| 19:15 | greenjimll | It sounds like a good idea - git pull often runs out of disc otherwise now and breaks even vagrant up sometimes. |
| 19:15 | kidclamp | you can expand your devbox, but it takes some doing |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | yeah it's not a trivial thing really |
| 19:15 | I thought we had a wiki page about that | |
| 19:15 | greenjimll | Yes, that's why I was looking to script it. |
| 19:16 | kidclamp | that would be cool |
| 19:16 | greenjimll | Got as far as cloning vmdk to a vdi image, expanding and reattaching today, but then would need ansible to expand filesystem on guest. |
| 19:17 | Hence not wanting to go too far down the rabbit hole if there's a better solution such as your repo syncing. Thanks. | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | you might have better luck with the testing docker thing? |
| 19:17 | it's a different animal altogether | |
| 19:17 | well not altogether | |
| 19:17 | it's like a great dane vs a shih tzu | |
| 19:18 | greenjimll | Knowing me, both would poop on my laptop. :-) :-) |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | rofl |
| 19:19 | greenjimll | OK, I'll try the sync repo thing and have a look at docker too. Thanks. I was spending more of my scant time trying to fix kohadevbox/git than actually developing/testing. |
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| 19:20 | wizzyrea | can relate :) |
| 19:20 | good luck | |
| 19:20 | davidnind | koha-testing-docker is the bees knees! (https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]a-testing-docker) |
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| 19:20 | wizzyrea | i like it too, but it has it's own quirks |
| 19:21 | like, impermanence (yes, I know it can be fixed to be permanent) | |
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| 19:21 | wizzyrea | or more-permanent |
| 19:22 | davidnind | with kohadevbox I never managed to get the repo syncing to work (something NFS, permissions, something, something...) |
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| 19:23 | davidnind | plus koha-testing-docker is really fast to spin up (bearing i mind I only use for documenting and testing the occasional bug) |
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| 19:28 | greenjimll | OK, night all! |
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| 20:16 | * cait | waves |
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| 20:39 | andreashm | hi cait |
| 20:42 | cait | hi andreashm :) |
| 21:06 | andreashm | Finally submitted the bug for the collation - uppgrade issue. Bug 23487 |
| 21:06 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23487 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Utf8mb4 collation causes problems with missing tables when upgrading the database |
| 21:09 | andreashm | poorly written, but perhaps someone else understands what it's about. =) |
| 21:11 | ashimema | Oh boo.. I totally missed the meetings |
| 21:11 | Sorry guys.. | |
| 21:12 | Brain fix, I thought it was an entirely different day | |
| 21:17 | cait | ohohmeetings? |
| 21:17 | i thought i msised one.. more? | |
| 21:20 | andreashm | wasn't one postponed? |
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| 21:32 | ashimema | Phone corrected meeting to meetings.. sorry |
| 21:32 | Just one | |
| 21:39 | cait | ok.. still missed it tho |
| 21:43 | ashimema | 😭 |
| 21:45 | cait | i mean I did :) |
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