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| 06:10 | cait | @later tell Joubu some names (mark and me) appear doubled up as Rescues - what is a rescue? |
| 06:10 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:12 | ashimema | mornin' cait |
| 06:12 | mornin' #koha | |
| 06:13 | I added rescues.. maybe I got the query wrong subtly | |
| 06:14 | a rescue is taking a bug from a status of "Failed QA" or "Patch doesn't apply" to a "better" status (at the moment moving it from those to anything counts).. | |
| 06:15 | I wanted to gamify rescuing of patches that have got left dormant.. perhaps I should add in a diff on older dates.. but for now it's nice to just get people paying attention to fixing qa failures and brining patches back into being appliable. | |
| 06:15 | :) | |
| 06:16 | next on my hit list is fixing the new devs | |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:51 | fridolin | hi |
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| 06:56 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:35 | liliputech_asu | bonjour/3 |
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| 08:04 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 23211: Prevent SIP/Transaction.t to fail randomly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e50f65d212941c5b4> |
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| 08:32 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 08:32 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:32 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_D9 build #792: FIXED in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/792/ |
| 08:42 | Yippee, build fixed! | |
| 08:42 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 08:42 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_Master_U18 build #289: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/289/ |
| 08:44 | Project Koha_Master_D8 build #304: SUCCESS in 41 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/304/ | |
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| 09:05 | vfernandes | hi #koha |
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| 11:27 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:40 | calire | hi oleonard |
| 11:40 | wahanui | hi oleopard |
| 11:49 | oleonard | Okay I've read email now what |
| 11:57 | ashimema | it's quiet today |
| 11:57 | calire.. what do you see as the next steps for recalls ? | |
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| 12:47 | caroline_catlady | hello everyone! |
| 12:49 | oleonard | Hi caroline_catlady and inlibro, the digital personification of the company inlibro |
| 12:51 | caroline_catlady | We asked an intern to add IRC to our Mattermost, but I don't think he understood the task. I want MY IRC in MY Mattermost, not just "inlibro" |
| 12:51 | ashimema | lol |
| 12:54 | * oleonard | had not heard of Mattermost until now |
| 12:56 | caroline_catlady | We use it as our internal chat |
| 12:56 | , no slack for us | |
| 12:57 | * ashimema | would love to wean ptfs-e off slack |
| 12:57 | ashimema | can mattermosts talk to each other? |
| 12:57 | oleonard | It looks pretty slick |
| 12:57 | caroline_catlady | I think the major point is that you can host it yourself |
| 12:57 | ashimema | I like that I have shared channels in slack to talk directly to Bywater and Interleaf for example |
| 12:58 | caroline_catlady | ashimema: not sure... we do have "public" channels |
| 12:58 | ashimema | federation does tend to be hard |
| 12:58 | caroline_catlady | Our clients can reach us through that, but we don't advertise it, we prefer to they through the ticket platform |
| 12:59 | Right now our public channel is mostly used to send jokes and stuff like that amonst ourselves | |
| 13:01 | I see that I can add several servers | |
| 13:01 | oleonard | In other worse the public channel is the most important facet of your organization's entire communications array |
| 13:01 | ashimema | cool |
| 13:02 | calire | looks nice |
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| 13:27 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
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| 14:21 | wizzyrea | hi :) |
| 14:21 | * wizzyrea | yawns |
| 14:27 | * oleonard | seconds that yawn |
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| 14:34 | caroline_catlady | ppl who work for support companies, what do you ask of clients in terms of data extraction from their old software? |
| 14:34 | Do you ask them to give you the data, and they have to figure out how to extract it? Or do you offer to extract it from them? | |
| 14:35 | *for them | |
| 14:37 | I can't deal with the back and forth anymore, it's so draining -_- They don't know the software they've been using for years... | |
| 14:40 | oleonard | caroline_catlady: I imagine that's something which is negotiated in the contract, with data extraction being an option |
| 14:52 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_19.05_U18 build #4: SUCCESS in 30 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_19.05_U18/4/ |
| 14:53 | cait | caroline_catlady: we ask for the data and they have to figure it out |
| 14:53 | if we happen to know how it works we would give them hints of course, butoften we don't | |
| 14:53 | and they have to ask the current vendor to do it | |
| 14:54 | I think someone once argued that it might be a legal issue if they gave you access to the db, as the db schema is often kind of 'secret' | |
| 14:59 | kidclamp | I believe we also ask for the data and do not go fetch it for them |
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| 15:58 | bag | caroline_catlady: We will definitely give as much assistance as we can. Sometimes we connect current libraries with past libraries that have successfully extracted data from said database. |
| 15:59 | Always praying that they have saved their notes ;). (usually we do ask them to keep their notes) | |
| 15:59 | cait | bag, caroline_catlady. we've done that too, but just a much lower number o fmigrations for us - and not many double ups with ILS |
| 16:00 | bye all, cya later for hte meeting | |
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| 16:01 | bag | yeah I think we’ve had multiples of every system so far. the rarist for us is ISIS (just not many of those in the US Market) |
| 16:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:28 | ashimema | We do a mix here |
| 16:28 | Generally they have to try and get it out.. though we do fairly often help too ( | |
| 16:29 | We've got lots of experience of other systems in our midst so generally can offer a fair bit of help and find giving that help early prevents pain later on | |
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| 16:30 | ashimema | We also pride ourselves sometimes on helping people get their data out in creative ways if their previous system support people want to charge them a fortune to get their own data |
| 16:30 | caroline_catlady ^ | |
| 16:43 | bag | those are great points ashimema |
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| 16:44 | bag | heya cait |
| 16:47 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #105: SUCCESS in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/105/ |
| 16:56 | ashimema | oleonard++ #bugwrangling |
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| 18:08 | oleonard | @drink get mojito |
| 18:08 | huginn` | oleonard: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 18:08 | oleonard | I'm sure it's just a question of syntax |
| 18:11 | ashimema | Lol |
| 18:11 | * ashimema | may be mixing a mojito as he types |
| 18:17 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #113: SUCCESS in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_D9/113/ |
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| 18:27 | koha-jenkins | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 18:27 | wahanui | Congratulations! |
| 18:27 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #107: FIXED in 49 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.11_U18/107/ |
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| 18:42 | cait | @caipirinha |
| 18:42 | huginn` | cait: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 18:42 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 18:43 | cait | maybe we are missing the cocktail addon |
| 18:44 | ashimema | I reckon so |
| 18:44 | oleonard | @drink get Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster |
| 18:44 | huginn` | oleonard: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 18:44 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
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| 18:47 | * andreashm | waves |
| 18:48 | andreashm | I HEARD THERE WAS MOJITOS! |
| 18:51 | oleonard | Oh no andreashm we *just* ran out!! |
| 18:51 | cait | heh |
| 18:51 | andreashm | Aaaaaargh |
| 18:51 | cait | you are mean oleonard |
| 18:51 | * andreashm | goes out into the garden to get mint. |
| 18:52 | cait | no garden... *sigh* |
| 18:52 | * oleonard | wonders if you can make mojitos from random weeds |
| 18:52 | andreashm | if only there was rum around |
| 18:52 | cait | you will probably not be allowed to call it a mojito then |
| 18:53 | * andreashm | settles for ice cream instead |
| 18:53 | caroline_catlady | dandelion and rhum... |
| 18:54 | cait | dandelion is edible.... |
| 18:54 | just needs a fancy name then | |
| 18:55 | alexbuckley | hi everyone :) |
| 18:55 | cait | hi alexbuckley |
| 18:55 | andreashm | hey |
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| 18:55 | caroline_catlady | arugula and gin? |
| 18:55 | cait | heh |
| 18:55 | * cait | dares caroline_catlady to make it and send a photo drinking it |
| 18:56 | andreashm | =) |
| 18:56 | alexbuckley | :) |
| 18:56 | caroline_catlady | hehe! |
| 18:56 | I'm tempted... | |
| 18:56 | alexbuckley | hi hayley |
| 18:56 | cait | caroline_catlady: might conter with spinach and ouzo lol |
| 18:57 | ashimema | evening all.. well.. morning alexbuckley |
| 18:57 | cait | morning hayley :) |
| 18:57 | alexbuckley | morning ashimema :) |
| 18:57 | hayley | morning! |
| 18:57 | wahanui | morning is always someone's afternoon |
| 18:58 | ashimema | shall we get this show on the road then.. |
| 18:58 | suppose I best wait 2 minutes to be nice :) | |
| 18:58 | caroline_catlady | cait: well, well, well, look at this! https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0[…]drink-recipe.html |
| 18:58 | cait | you cheated... somehow :) |
| 18:59 | oleonard | Oh no I have neither a Bearss lime nor rustic Sylvetta arugula |
| 19:00 | cait | https://www.thewineconnoisseur[…]spinach-pie-ouzo/ ? :) |
| 19:00 | caroline_catlady | I was looking up what would be good with arugula... |
| 19:00 | ashimema | #startmeeting Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019 |
| 19:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Jun 26 19:00:17 2019 UTC. The chair is ashimema. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:00 | huginn` | The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_26_june_2019' |
| 19:00 | ashimema | #topic Introductions |
| 19:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:00 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 19:00 | #chair cait | |
| 19:00 | huginn` | Current chairs: ashimema cait |
| 19:00 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
| 19:00 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
| 19:00 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 19:01 | andreashm | #info Andreas Hedström Mace, Stockholm University Library |
| 19:01 | alexbuckley | #info Alex Buckley, Catalyst IT Wellington NZ |
| 19:01 | ashimema | as much as I was enjoying the cocktail chatter ;) |
| 19:01 | josef_moravec | #info Josef Moravec, Czech Republic |
| 19:01 | hayley | #info Hayley Mapley Catalyst IT Wellington NZ |
| 19:01 | ashimema | Nice to have some representation from NZ :).. hope this time is a bit better for you guys :)? |
| 19:02 | cait | 7 am if i am not imstaken |
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| 19:02 | alexbuckley | yes 7am is much better :) |
| 19:02 | hayley | That's right! It's a decent hour :) |
| 19:02 | cait | opinions on that being a decent hour may vary :) |
| 19:02 | alexbuckley | heh |
| 19:02 | hayley | haha, true |
| 19:03 | davidnind | #info David Nind |
| 19:03 | ashimema | #topic Announcements |
| 19:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:04 | ashimema | #info We have a new leaderboard on the dashboard - 'Rescues', let's gamify getting bugs out of Failed QA/Patch doesn't apply :) |
| 19:04 | cait | ah |
| 19:04 | ashimema | #link https://dashboard.koha-community.org Dashboard |
| 19:04 | cait | it's great, but i tihnk it needs a little fixing |
| 19:04 | names are doubled up there still :) | |
| 19:04 | Tomas, me and Martin righ tnow | |
| 19:04 | ashimema | yeah.. I've got a patch waiting.. just need to catch rangi to get it deployed |
| 19:04 | cait | nice :) |
| 19:05 | could we put it last so the columns align? | |
| 19:05 | ashimema | RM's can make GROUP BY mistakes too :P |
| 19:05 | cait | the signoffs and passed qas etc. |
| 19:06 | sorry :) | |
| 19:06 | ashimema | erm.. in what sense cait? |
| 19:06 | cait | signoffs june and signofs 2019 |
| 19:06 | ashimema | they look alligned to me.. but perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean |
| 19:06 | cait | without the typos obviously |
| 19:06 | are no longer in one column | |
| 19:06 | ashimema | ooh.. now I see what you mean |
| 19:06 | * cait | tries harder to make sense |
| 19:07 | ashimema | #action ashimema to get vertical alignment of like for like columns working on the dashboard again |
| 19:07 | cait | :) |
| 19:07 | ashimema | anyone else got any anouncements? |
| 19:07 | cait | any events maybe? |
| 19:08 | * ashimema | thought we might be maintanence releaseing today, but I think it's tomorrow now. |
| 19:08 | cait | move on? |
| 19:09 | * ashimema | is just looking up the marseille hackfest dates to take the oportunity to advertise it |
| 19:09 | cait | sept 30th - oct 4th. |
| 19:10 | ashimema: ^:) | |
| 19:10 | oleonard | Oh yeah it's on the calendar. Was there an official announcement? |
| 19:10 | cait | sec i can find the email link too |
| 19:11 | ashimema | #info Next Hackfest in the diary is Marseille, 30th Sept - 4th Oct 2019 |
| 19:11 | cait | taking a little longer to find the non-nabble link |
| 19:11 | ashimema | a while back yeah.. but it's nice to keep it in the forefront of peoples minds ;) |
| 19:11 | moving on... | |
| 19:11 | oleonard | Oh no wonder I didn't remember :D |
| 19:11 | cait | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/044964.html Marselle Hackfest dates |
| 19:12 | ashimema | #topic Update from the Release Manager |
| 19:12 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Manager (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:12 | ashimema | #info We've started pushing small enhancements now, having been concentrating mostly on bugs for the last month. |
| 19:13 | I intend to continue with small enhancements, nothing earth shattering for a couple more weeks whilst 19.05.x is still bedding in, but then I hope to have a more adventurous window of a couple of months for the bigger new features and enhancements. | |
| 19:15 | I've been trying to touch base with various parties who I know have things in the pipeline so I can help spread out SO/QA resources so let me know if you have anything like that (beware though.. throwing bugs at me to ask for SO/QA's on means I'll likely throw a few back for SO/QA from others) :) | |
| 19:15 | that's my piece.. any questions for the RM? | |
| 19:16 | rmaints? | |
| 19:16 | wahanui | rmaints is probably fridolin, lucas and wizzyrea |
| 19:16 | oleonard | probably |
| 19:16 | wahanui | probably is too hard. |
| 19:16 | ashimema | moving on then |
| 19:16 | #topic Update from the Release Maintainers | |
| 19:16 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:16 | ashimema | could be quiet, none of them appear to be here... |
| 19:18 | Well, having touched base with fridolin this morning I believe their aiming for 19.05.01 release tomorrow | |
| 19:18 | with the other following in behind | |
| 19:18 | #info 19.05.01 scheduled for release tomorrow | |
| 19:18 | moving on again | |
| 19:18 | #topic Update from the QA team | |
| 19:18 | Topic for #koha is now Update from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:18 | ashimema | qa? |
| 19:18 | wahanui | hmmm... qa is unhappy about that, please fix |
| 19:19 | cait | yes |
| 19:19 | I've been out of the loop a bit in recent weeks because of personal matters, hope things will improve now | |
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| 19:19 | tcohen | hi |
| 19:19 | cait | #info QA queue is currently at around 50 |
| 19:20 | some 'problem' areas are SIP2, Elastic and REST API | |
| 19:20 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Theke Solutions |
| 19:20 | * ashimema | thinks caits still doing a great job on the weekly emails and keeping things moving along |
| 19:20 | cait | help from topic experts much appreciated |
| 19:20 | we have some big projects going on and some quite big patches waiting | |
| 19:20 | amoyano | #info Agustin Moyano, Theke Solutions |
| 19:20 | cait | worried about the number of bad (blocker, critical and major) bugs we see right now |
| 19:21 | ashimema | indeed.. we need eyes on those |
| 19:21 | cait | #info Currently we face 1 blocker, 3 criticals and 21 majors, patch writers, testers and QA people needed |
| 19:22 | ashimema | Thanks cait |
| 19:22 | cait | #info additional testing/sign-offs on some of the long sitting patches in QA queue would be great to get more confidence in passing them along |
| 19:22 | nothing more from me | |
| 19:23 | ashimema | :) |
| 19:23 | #topic General development discussion | |
| 19:23 | Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:23 | ashimema | we have a point points today |
| 19:23 | #topic Bugzilla status proposals | |
| 19:23 | Topic for #koha is now Bugzilla status proposals (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:24 | * ashimema | realises now her forgot to link the agenda |
| 19:24 | ashimema | #link https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ting_26_June_2019 Agenda |
| 19:24 | cait | me too :) |
| 19:24 | ashimema | So.. I think we've actually voted on these bugzilla status proposals before.. but we've not managed to impliment the changes yet |
| 19:25 | I basically propose a bit of a tidy up of some of our no longer used status's and to get the 'Pushed to..' status's to match our debian releases | |
| 19:25 | i.e stable, oldstable and oldoldstable. | |
| 19:26 | cait | only question i have is if we need to resolve existing bugs having status to be deleted (but not sur e they exist) |
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| 19:26 | ashimema | probably not much more to discuss there unless anyone has any issues they'd like to point out. |
| 19:26 | I want to touch base with rangi on that one cait :) | |
| 19:26 | cait | ok :) |
| 19:27 | ashimema | next topic |
| 19:27 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 19:27 | cait | so we are going to do it, right? |
| 19:27 | ashimema | I think so, yes |
| 19:27 | cait | once you do it, can you ping me? I'd try and update the wiki |
| 19:28 | and I'd like to propose removal of some fields from the bugzilla form for next meeting | |
| 19:28 | ashimema | we already voted to say yes.. this is just a friendly reminder about it as time has passed and that I'm going to pin it down and get it done ;) |
| 19:28 | cait | I think less could we more there |
| 19:28 | could be | |
| 19:28 | ashimema | so.. moving on |
| 19:28 | agree.. wuold love to see such a proposal on the next meeting :) | |
| 19:29 | I agree.. but I hadn't got anything ready to propose for this one ;) | |
| 19:29 | so.. | |
| 19:29 | #topic Deprecate package support for Debian 8 and Ubuntu 16.04 | |
| 19:29 | Topic for #koha is now Deprecate package support for Debian 8 and Ubuntu 16.04 (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:29 | ashimema | tcohen you may be better at explaining the reasoning for this proposal than me |
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| 19:30 | ashimema | grr.. the bug linked on the agenda isn't the right one |
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| 19:30 | tcohen | Jessie has entered maintenance (security) only, no new stuffs, that's what I understood |
| 19:30 | cait | we'll find it |
| 19:31 | bug 23128 | |
| 19:31 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=23128 major, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Missing Net::OAuth2::AuthorizationServer dependency |
| 19:31 | cait | fixing wiki |
| 19:31 | tcohen | and 16.04 is based on jessie |
| 19:31 | ashimema | thanks, that's the one |
| 19:31 | tcohen | if we want the REST API Oauth2 to work out of the box, we need this |
| 19:31 | ashimema | So, yes.. |
| 19:32 | tcohen | people using jessie and 16.04 can still install Koha |
| 19:32 | cait | fixed |
| 19:32 | ashimema | Jessie is in maintanence mode already, and that's due to come to an end in a couple of months I believe |
| 19:32 | tcohen | things won't be installed automatically, but they can cpanm them |
| 19:32 | ashimema | and.. we have some packaging issues that nessesitate we drop support |
| 19:32 | tcohen | there's a problem in packages names that prevents a solution that fits all |
| 19:33 | cait | so that would be for 19.11 right? |
| 19:33 | or also for the maintenance releases | |
| 19:34 | ashimema | So.. do we need to vote on this or do we feel it's nessesary to the extent that we just need to do it. |
| 19:34 | cait | I trust Mirko there |
| 19:34 | tcohen | cait: we need drojf, but I'm sure 19.05 is involved |
| 19:34 | I trust him as well | |
| 19:35 | ashimema | from what drojf was saying I believe it will only affect 'new installs' |
| 19:35 | thd | We should probably vote in any case unless we have a standing policy. |
| 19:35 | ashimema | so existing installations tracking the repositories should be fine as they should already have any required dependancies installed |
| 19:36 | * ashimema | comes up with how to phrase the vote |
| 19:36 | cait | that's always the hard part :) |
| 19:37 | oleonard | "Should we do this thing?" Yes/No |
| 19:37 | ashimema | #startvote Can we deprecate support for Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 16.04 in the packages? Yes, No |
| 19:37 | huginn` | Begin voting on: Can we deprecate support for Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 16.04 in the packages? Valid vote options are Yes, No. |
| 19:37 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 19:37 | tcohen | #vote Yes |
| 19:37 | thd | #vote Yes |
| 19:37 | ashimema | #vote Yes |
| 19:37 | josef_moravec | #vote Yes |
| 19:37 | oleonard | #vote Yes |
| 19:38 | andreashm | #vote Yes |
| 19:38 | alexbuckley | #vote Yes |
| 19:38 | amoyano | #vote Yes |
| 19:38 | hayley | #vote Yes |
| 19:38 | cait | #vote yes |
| 19:38 | #vote Yes | |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | #vote Yes |
| 19:38 | cait | not sure if case-sensitive |
| 19:38 | davidnind | #vote yes |
| 19:38 | ashimema | that's pretty overwhelming :) |
| 19:38 | * tcohen | shouts cait is cheating |
| 19:39 | ashimema | think that's pretty much everyone here |
| 19:39 | 3 | |
| 19:39 | 2 | |
| 19:39 | 1 | |
| 19:39 | #endvote | |
| 19:39 | huginn` | Voted on "Can we deprecate support for Debian 8 (Jessie) and Ubuntu 16.04 in the packages?" Results are |
| 19:39 | Yes (12): davidnind, cait, josef_moravec, oleonard, ashimema, andreashm, wizzyrea, tcohen, alexbuckley, thd, amoyano, hayley | |
| 19:40 | ashimema | #agree We will deprecate our support for Debian 8 and Ubuntu 16.08 in the packages.. announcement from Mirko to follow |
| 19:40 | next up | |
| 19:41 | #topic Proposal to fork 'simple keyboard project' | |
| 19:41 | Topic for #koha is now Proposal to fork 'simple keyboard project' (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 19:41 | tcohen | This needs a better wording hehe |
| 19:41 | ashimema | #info This is a proposal to maintain our own fork of the 'simple keyboard project' to allow community members to contribute new keyboard layouts. |
| 19:42 | amoyano | actually it's Mottie Keyboard proyect |
| 19:42 | cait | I am not sure I understood yet why the fork is needed |
| 19:42 | ashimema | #info We will need to work on a process for keeping our fork up to date with upstream whilst maintaining our fork. |
| 19:42 | cait | do we already have a demand for new layouts/is the project not open for those? |
| 19:42 | tcohen | I think this went the wrong way |
| 19:42 | let me explain a bit | |
| 19:43 | we (Koha) use other external projects (like some jquery libs) and usually just bundle the minified version in our codebase | |
| 19:43 | on adding this keyboard (JS lib) | |
| 19:43 | * ashimema | is coming to this one cold.. |
| 19:43 | tcohen | we thought it would be nice to have a clear path to |
| 19:43 | * ashimema | listens intently :) |
| 19:44 | tcohen | - keep it up to date |
| 19:44 | - allow community users to propose custom layouts that could be of use | |
| 19:44 | we don't really need to fork them now | |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | I feel like we should just contribute to their upstream, assuming they are active enough? |
| 19:44 | tcohen | we have a request from Irma to add maori |
| 19:44 | that belongs to upstream, we don't need to fork it | |
| 19:45 | just send the layout and follow the steps to update our copy | |
| 19:45 | but | |
| 19:45 | josef_moravec | they are active, I added Czech language support recently: https://github.com/Mottie/Keyb[…]%3Apr+is%3Aclosed |
| 19:45 | tcohen | the customer that asked for this dev showed us some screenshots |
| 19:45 | of another system's 'symbols shortcut' | |
| 19:46 | that we thought at some point it would be a nice thing to have | |
| 19:46 | but it is not something we really need to do now | |
| 19:46 | josef_moravec | it is nice thing to have ;) |
| 19:46 | cait | josef_moravec++ :) |
| 19:47 | tcohen | what we wanted was a way to keep things up to date |
| 19:47 | cait | so maybe not quite a fork... but having it 'forked' in our repo to speed up changes in Koha while waiting for it to be accepted? |
| 19:47 | tcohen | and maybe have our own layouts |
| 19:47 | ashimema | #info it's Mottie Keyboard and not Simple Keyboard Project |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | that isn't something we think the upstream would take straight away? |
| 19:47 | tcohen | the idea was to have a mirror of their repo in the gitlab/koha-community place |
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| 19:48 | tcohen | and if required, maybe have our own branch |
| 19:48 | ashimema | I've never been a huge fan of our bundling.. it would be nice to be able to lean on CDN's for delivery of such resources |
| 19:48 | tcohen | with a gitlab-ci script to auto-generate the file that needs to be included in Koha |
| 19:49 | cait | makes sense to me now |
| 19:49 | thd | Mirroring their repo and adding a Koha branch if we need to be ahead of their release cycle seems prudent and modest non-forking choice. |
| 19:49 | oleonard | This could be a trial for using npm to install JS assets for Koha |
| 19:49 | Nemo_bis | it's a pain to override hardcoded CDN URLs when you don't want to send all your users' IP addresses to some CDN server |
| 19:49 | ashimema | so less of a fork more of a mirror that may be marginally ahead of the origin whilst things get submitted upstream |
| 19:50 | tcohen | oleonard: that'd be ideal |
| 19:50 | ashimema: exactly | |
| 19:50 | ashimema | so that makes sense to me |
| 19:50 | tcohen | we don't need this to move this dev, as it is fully functional and all, but once maori is accepted upstream, we would like a clear maintenance path |
| 19:50 | josef_moravec | it seems reasonable to me |
| 19:50 | oleonard | tcohen: I've been starting to look at how that would work, so we should talk about it |
| 19:50 | tcohen | or czech |
| 19:50 | ashimema | and I take onboard Nemo_bis's point about not wanting to send people IP's to CDN's |
| 19:51 | cait | yep my point too |
| 19:51 | tcohen | oleonard: I'll send amoyano in your direction he |
| 19:51 | cait | so should we vote or just do it? |
| 19:51 | ashimema | also.. as good as CDN coverage is.. we support koha everywhere and coverage is not always 100% (I'm looking at you, local small library not connected to the internet) |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | i'm really not in favor of using CDN's |
| 19:52 | like 99% nope | |
| 19:52 | ashimema | whose going to front such a project.. how do we go about maintaining it? |
| 19:52 | should such layouts go through our own SO/QA process etc? | |
| 19:52 | before being submitted upstream? | |
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| 19:53 | tcohen | I'd postpone this until we really need a custom layout |
| 19:53 | ashimema | forward mirror is it then.. we just need to work out the details between us... |
| 19:53 | cait | these are goo dquestions, we need to nail processes down for some of our side projects as well that are hosted on gitlab |
| 19:54 | ashimema | I feel like it could warrant it's own mini maintainer each cycle.. a topic expert with a bit of extra power whose responsability it is to make sure our contributions to that project are sound |
| 19:54 | food for thought | |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | on the one hand you don't want people to waste their time |
| 19:54 | on the other -- the person submitting the patch to that other upstream should feel confident enough in their work to submit it there as well? | |
| 19:55 | thd | Seeing no objection it should be possible to do something without a vote on some occasions if it does not deprecate or break some previous process as with the previous question where deprecating Jessie might interfere with someone's plan's as it is still today the long term stable distribution. |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | without a lot of bureaucracy from our side |
| 19:55 | ashimema | indeed |
| 19:56 | I'm still seriously wondering about even needing to have our own copy that's ahead | |
| 19:57 | oleonard | We've got a lot to get through... can we table this for now? |
| 19:57 | ashimema | feels like we just need to commit to staying up to date with upstream and then people submit back to that project rather than us directly |
| 19:57 | thd | If we do not need our own copy ahead then there will be no need to take the trouble to create such. |
| 19:57 | ashimema | whilst the project is active that should work fine |
| 19:57 | cait | so get your chances into the project... file a bug with koha to updated packaged? |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | ++ to that |
| 19:58 | ashimema | we just need a solid process to ensure we stay up to date with upstream.. so the gitlab-ci type stuff perhaps fits there still |
| 19:58 | cait | and if we turnout to need something very specific, we create the 'fork' |
| 19:58 | ashimema | agreed |
| 19:58 | tcohen | NOOP |
| 19:59 | ashimema | Feels like we've reached somewhat of a concensus.. I'll write up a summary of this conversation on the bug and we can discus further next meeting if needed? |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | yep |
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| 20:00 | cait | info? |
| 20:00 | wahanui | info is largely out there.. just not especially well summarised |
| 20:00 | tcohen | +1 |
| 20:00 | cait | or an agreed maybe |
| 20:00 | ashimema | #info ashimema will write a summary of the above conversation and submit it to the bug.. |
| 20:00 | moving on | |
| 20:00 | davidnind | +1 |
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| 20:01 | ashimema | #topic What are the workflows with regards maintaining the mana-kb serverside project |
| 20:01 | Topic for #koha is now What are the workflows with regards maintaining the mana-kb serverside project (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 20:01 | ashimema | So... this one was me |
| 20:01 | we're not at all clear yet on how we intend on maintaining the mana-kb server project. | |
| 20:02 | cait | someone from Biblibre around? |
| 20:02 | ashimema | We've got a whoe series of bugs open on it, but no clear flow for SO/QA/Pushing/Deploying |
| 20:02 | no alex_a here :( | |
| 20:03 | We have had bugs recorded in both gitlab and bugzilla.. I've now disabled the gitlab issue tracking and added a link to bugzilla instead (so we're at least only tracking in one place now) | |
| 20:03 | but how do we envisage actually testing any code that's submitted for that project? | |
| 20:03 | open to the floor.. basically.. I need help understanding how to move things forward there | |
| 20:04 | cait | basically I think next time we need to have this discussion before integration :) |
| 20:04 | I have no idea how to handle it well, but I think a first step would be to flesh out the wiki for Mana (and Hea): https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]te_Administration | |
| 20:04 | right now we haven't even documented who runs the server that we ship by defalut and who can be approached | |
| 20:05 | ashimema | as the most involved there aren't here right now.. I'm going to suggest we move on as we're already an hour in. |
| 20:05 | I'll bring this one back up as required next meeting no doubt | |
| 20:05 | cait | I'd love ot see this not limited to people from the company hosting, but like other services to include other people as well |
| 20:05 | ashimema | #info Mana (and HEA) discussion shelved untill next meeting. |
| 20:06 | agreed.. but I think it needs to start with the original authors to help get more people onboard with it. | |
| 20:06 | #topic Moving PayPal payments into a plugin | |
| 20:06 | Topic for #koha is now Moving PayPal payments into a plugin (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 20:06 | josef_moravec | I think the standard SO/QA proccess would be great for side projects too... |
| 20:06 | ashimema | tcohen.. another of yours.. |
| 20:06 | tcohen | amoyano's |
| 20:07 | * cait | waves at amoyano |
| 20:07 | amoyano | Sorry |
| 20:08 | * ashimema | adds joesf_moravec to his list of interested Mana parties and will approach him tomorrow with idea's regarding how to bring it inline with our SO/QA process |
| 20:08 | amoyano | I made a plugin that implements paypal logic |
| 20:08 | tcohen | #link https://gitlab.com/thekesoluti[…]in-pay-via-paypal |
| 20:08 | ashimema | amoyano++ |
| 20:08 | tcohen | amoyano++ |
| 20:08 | amoyano | now, plugin and logic within koha can cohexist |
| 20:09 | but it would be nice to deprecate the code in next releases | |
| 20:09 | ashimema | so.. this can run alongside the existing in core paypal if I understand it correctly (for now) |
| 20:09 | amoyano | yes, that's right |
| 20:09 | ashimema | and we can work on a plan to transisition out the core support over a couple of cycles and help people move to using the plugin as an alternative? |
| 20:09 | brill | |
| 20:10 | cait | I have talked to tochen about it - one regression would be translatability, but I tihnk you have been working on a solution? |
| 20:10 | * ashimema | really wants to work on a 'plugin store' at some point soon |
| 20:10 | josef_moravec | ashimema++ |
| 20:11 | thd | What is the translatability solution? |
| 20:11 | alexbuckley | ashimema++ |
| 20:11 | cait | to explain, the paypal core code includes some strings that would be not translatable with our current approach to plugins |
| 20:11 | amoyano | we use the eds approach |
| 20:11 | placing translatable strings in .inc files | |
| 20:11 | ashimema | what is the eds approach? |
| 20:11 | tcohen | https://github.com/ebsco/edsap[…]rap/includes/lang |
| 20:12 | cait | is there a fallbadk to english if an entry would be missing? |
| 20:12 | amoyano | yes, that's the default language |
| 20:13 | tcohen | it uses getlanguage |
| 20:13 | cait | amoyano++ :) I was long waiting for this |
| 20:13 | ashimema | I think plugins authors need to be responsible for their translatability and translations.. but we need to advocate some best practices |
| 20:13 | and.. with a plugins store we could highlight 'better' and 'worse' supported plugins which would include how well maintained the translations are. | |
| 20:13 | amoyano | that's what we've been trying to do |
| 20:13 | including gitlab-ci | |
| 20:14 | cait | it could be a requirement for acceptance into the store... or at least a searchable criteria |
| 20:14 | ashimema | agreed cait |
| 20:14 | * ashimema | has plans for said project.. I'm building an RFC at the moment and then will start coding and then look for additional volunteers |
| 20:14 | ashimema | but that's another story ;) |
| 20:15 | cait | :) |
| 20:15 | so what is the proposed timeline? to get discussion back on track :) | |
| 20:15 | ashimema | shall we jump on again |
| 20:15 | #info Theke (amoyano in particular) have build a Paypal online payments plugin | |
| 20:16 | cait | I think we could deprecate the core code with 19.11 |
| 20:16 | tcohen | cait: it only lacks all currently supported languages |
| 20:16 | cait | having the plugin as option |
| 20:16 | and then have it removed in 20.05 | |
| 20:16 | ashimema | #info We should look at deprecating the core PayPal code some time during the next couple of cycles |
| 20:16 | tcohen | we can fix that with a script |
| 20:16 | ashimema | #info We need to work on further plugin guidlines and infrestucture (a plugin store for example) to build a path ahead for this. |
| 20:17 | cait | tcohen: if you could use existing translations to populate the plugin ones that would be awesome |
| 20:17 | ashimema | I'd say we can aim for 19.11 but keep 20.05 as a backstop |
| 20:17 | * ashimema | shivers as he realises he just used a brexit term |
| 20:17 | amoyano | there is a release available at https://gitlab.com/thekesoluti[…]paypal/-/releases for anyone who cares to try |
| 20:17 | * cait | hands ashimema some gin with arugula |
| 20:18 | ashimema | #link https://gitlab.com/thekesoluti[…]paypal/-/releases PayPal Plugin |
| 20:18 | how are people doing.. shall we knock off any more or are we running out of steam | |
| 20:19 | cait | i tihnk having jajm for the mojo one could be nice |
| 20:19 | * ashimema | is happy to postpone the next ones for next meeting if people are struggling |
| 20:19 | cait | is there something peopl eneed an urgent decision on in the list still? |
| 20:19 | ashimema | Skip to review of coding guidlines I reckon |
| 20:19 | tcohen | I'm leaving now, sorry! |
| 20:19 | * amoyano | has to go, and says goodbye to everyone |
| 20:20 | ashimema | I don't think the other two are painful |
| 20:20 | thd | I am happy for either choice. |
| 20:20 | ashimema | SQL12 was for tcohen in the coding guidlines |
| 20:20 | cait | maybe postpone that too? |
| 20:20 | ashimema | Right.. |
| 20:21 | #info remainder of General topic for discussion will be posponed to the next meeting | |
| 20:21 | #topc Review of coding guidelines | |
| 20:21 | #info We will postpone the review of the coding guidelines untill the next meetng when those invovled should be present. | |
| 20:21 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 20:21 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 26 June 2019) | |
| 20:22 | ashimema | Right.. that all important last one. |
| 20:22 | two weeks time, back to EU afternoon? | |
| 20:22 | does that suit most.. | |
| 20:23 | cait | sounds good to me (being in Europe) |
| 20:24 | ashimema | so that's the 10th right.. |
| 20:24 | hayley | Today's meeting time suits better for us NZers, we'd love to keep attending but it's hard if it's super early morning |
| 20:24 | ashimema | General meeting that day in the evening for us eu's |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | it rotates around the world :) |
| 20:24 | the time | |
| 20:24 | wahanui | the time is, like, har dto find,... but i put in cait's todo - just tons in there already |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | forget the time |
| 20:24 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot time |
| 20:24 | hayley | Alrighty :) |
| 20:24 | cait | heh wahanui |
| 20:24 | alexbuckley | :) |
| 20:25 | ashimema | I'm hoping to stick to a rotation of two times.. with the second time being that bit later for the europeans than it has been last couple of cycles.. in the hopes of catching you guys in NZ |
| 20:25 | :) | |
| 20:25 | alexbuckley | thanks ashimema! |
| 20:25 | cait | hm not sure if later works |
| 20:25 | ashimema | so next one will likely be terrible for you guys.. but then after that a much better one again |
| 20:25 | cait | maybe more an early morning one |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | (but I totally know that it sucks for nzers) |
| 20:25 | cait | for euorpe |
| 20:25 | to catch nz in the evening | |
| 20:25 | like we catch them now in the morning | |
| 20:25 | ashimema | early morning kills the US doesn't it? |
| 20:26 | cait | it always kills somoene |
| 20:27 | it's always bad for some timezone, that should read | |
| 20:27 | davidnind | We don't won't anyone to be killed! :-D |
| 20:28 | ashimema | 7am UK = 6PM NZ but 2AM USA |
| 20:28 | cait | yep that's the issue |
| 20:28 | ashimema | 8pm UK = 7am NZ = 4pm USA |
| 20:29 | cait | this is late for Europe too, 9pm |
| 20:29 | ashimema | that certainly seems like the golden hour if we want to try and include as many as possible |
| 20:29 | cait | well...10 30 now and my laundry is waiting :) |
| 20:29 | ashimema | lets stick to afternoon EU for the next one.. i'd like to catch biblibre for the HEA and Mana points |
| 20:29 | so.. | |
| 20:29 | cait | I think it being outside work ours is an issue for quite a lot |
| 20:29 | ashimema | sorry NZ.. I love you all really |
| 20:30 | thd | I prefer the early morning meeting times when they happen because I have not needed to go out yet and I never have trouble going back to sleep if necessary. |
| 20:30 | hayley | we understand :) |
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| 20:31 | ashimema | so.. |
| 20:31 | does 10th Aug, 14:00 UTC sound reasonable for everyone else | |
| 20:32 | #info Next meeting: 10 August 2019, 14:00:00 UTC | |
| 20:32 | done | |
| 20:32 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:32 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 20:32 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Jun 26 20:32:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:32 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-06-26-19.00.html | |
| 20:32 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]9-06-26-19.00.txt | |
| 20:32 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]26-19.00.log.html | |
| 20:32 | * ashimema | goes to grab a beer |
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| 20:33 | ashimema | thanks for hanging in there guys.. I realise it was a long one. |
| 20:33 | thd | Did you mean August not July? |
| 20:33 | ashimema | July |
| 20:33 | crap | |
| 20:33 | davidnind | ashimema++ |
| 20:33 | ashimema | me brain is going to mush |
| 20:33 | hayley | thanks everyone! |
| 20:34 | alexbuckley | ashimema++ thanks for chairing the meeting :) |
| 20:34 | thanks all | |
| 20:34 | cait | ashimema++ |
| 20:34 | thd | Should you start a momentary corrective meeting for fixing the month? |
| 20:37 | ashimema | I'll fix it script side |
| 20:37 | I have the power ;) | |
| 20:37 | thd | :) |
| 20:38 | * thd | is off to fix a troublesome broken computer |
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| 22:15 | cait | I just did a reset_all... and have this error when searching for test in the OPAC: Can't call method "get_coins" on an undefined value at /home/vagrant/kohaclone/opac/opac-search.pl line 689 |
| 22:15 | anyone seen this? | |
| 22:16 | turning of coins helps things... but then I have a 404 trying to access the detail page | |
| 22:17 | rangi | rebuild zebra? |
| 22:18 | cait | the reset_all already does that |
| 22:18 | i just pulled latest changes to misc4dev | |
| 22:18 | maybe it will fix the issue | |
| 22:18 | rangi | it sure looks like the index is wrong |
| 22:18 | cait | it looks lk the data i snot there |
| 22:18 | because detai page doesn't work either, but result list does without coins active | |
| 22:18 | rangi | yeah rebuild doesnt work |
| 22:19 | cait | the records always end up with the same numbers |
| 22:19 | with reset_all | |
| 22:19 | rangi | yeah thats why i dont use it |
| 22:19 | i do things the way that users would | |
| 22:19 | cait | it really makes my life a ton easier |
| 22:19 | but i don't reset often, i build up my own data as long as i can | |
| 22:19 | rangi | i think dev scripts make us lazy and prone to miss things |
| 22:19 | cait | the newer version of the misc4dev fixed the issue |
| 22:20 | rangi | the more we do things different to what we would expect users to do |
| 22:20 | the less useful they are | |
| 22:20 | cait | it leaves a lot to setup |
| 22:20 | do you rememer why we have a lst location column on opac-reserves? | |
| 22:21 | rangi | lst? |
| 22:21 | cait | last |
| 22:21 | it seems odd | |
| 22:21 | rangi | nope |
| 22:21 | cait | we have home library and then: last location |
| 22:21 | and it will only display if it's different from home library... | |
| 22:21 | rangi | no idea |
| 22:21 | cait | I think last location seems confusing... just another term for 'current location' |
| 22:22 | rangi | not something i added, that's all i know :) |
| 22:22 | yeah | |
| 22:22 | cait | so you won't get grumpy at least |
| 22:22 | :) | |
| 22:22 | rangi | i probbaly got grumpy when someone changed it from current to last :) |
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| 22:56 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 22:57 | @seen Joubu | |
| 22:57 | huginn` | mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 2 days, 7 hours, 29 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Joubu> ho yes I remembered now, I wrote the stuff in TestBuilder.t, so checked it out when it was done, it's lost :) |
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