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| 01:49 | * philor | makes a note to check IRC logs tomorrow |
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| 06:58 | josef_moravec | ashimema: around? |
| 07:22 | ashimema | Hi |
| 07:22 | wahanui | salut, ashimema |
| 07:24 | ashimema | Did I miss josef_moravec |
| 07:26 | josef_moravec | ashimema: in add_enrolment_fee, you call add_debit with param type = account |
| 07:26 | when add debit creates offset is set type = $Koha::Account::offset_type->{$type}, | |
| 07:26 | there is no key 'account' in $Koha::Account::offset_type | |
| 07:26 | Am I missing something? | |
| 07:36 | * ashimema | looks |
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| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:42 | ashimema | I'm confused |
| 07:42 | https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]&attachment=83707 | |
| 07:42 | that's the pushed patch for add_debit isn't it.. | |
| 07:43 | I see $account_type_debit contains `"account => 'A'"` | |
| 07:44 | hang on | |
| 07:44 | josef_moravec | ashimema: it does, I was speaking about $Koha::Account::offset_type |
| 07:44 | ashimema | yeah.. just re-reading |
| 07:48 | you're right.. not sure how I missed that | |
| 07:49 | josef_moravec | And I don't understand how the tests could pass for you nad Katrin ;) |
| 07:50 | I think there are more missing values in offset_types | |
| 07:50 | ashimema | I think that one got lost during a rebase somewhere |
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| 07:50 | ashimema | I'll add a followup with it now |
| 07:50 | but yeah.. I'm confused how the tests are passing for me.. I'll have a dig | |
| 07:51 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:51 | josef_moravec | hi alex_a |
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| 07:54 | ashimema | I'm really confused.. it feels like there are patches missing.. you're right there's a fair few offset_types missing |
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| 08:13 | ashimema | aha.. |
| 08:13 | yup.. | |
| 08:14 | I have an accounts branch with a bunch of patches that are missing from the pushed add_debit patch | |
| 08:14 | well spotted josef_moravec , sorry to have been such a pain | |
| 08:14 | and tha'ts the issue with things taking so long to get in.. lol | |
| 08:14 | josef_moravec | ashimema: no problem ;) |
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| 08:32 | magnuse | josef_moravec++ |
| 08:42 | cait | josef_moravec++ :) |
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| 08:56 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_17.11_D8 build #146: SUCCESS in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_17.11_D8/146/ |
| 08:57 | magnuse | @confetti |
| 08:57 | huginn` | magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 08:57 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 08:59 | cait | confetti! |
| 08:59 | wahanui | o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 09:10 | ashimema | josef_moravec: still about? |
| 09:11 | so.. as you say, it looks like a few offsets are missing.. but it also looks like a couple of offsets I'd removed have crept back in.. seems some followups from my merged branch which included all the accounts stuff didn't make it into the add_debit patch this all relies upon. | |
| 09:12 | from your own qa perspective.. do you think cleaning them all up here is appropriate or should I add the cleanup bits in another bug.. so far the main one I'm seeing if 'overdue'.. I don't think that really exists anymore (I'm double checking at the moment) as it's been replaced for a long time by the FU->F combination | |
| 09:18 | josef_moravec | I would like to see it as another bug report, just clean things for this one to, as it is almost ready I think... |
| 09:18 | "this one first " i thought ;) | |
| 09:18 | ashimema | brill, glad I asked :) |
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| 09:37 | cait | andreashm: connection issues? |
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| 09:46 | ashimema | balls.. i found another reason for this to fail josef.. I've not accounted in any way for the authorized values option in invoice types :( |
| 09:46 | that's going to be a challenging one to overcome | |
| 09:46 | hmm | |
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| 10:06 | tcohen | hi |
| 10:12 | ashimema | josef_moravec: are you keen to resurrect bug 17702 at some point? |
| 10:12 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17702 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, ASSIGNED , Create configuration for account types |
| 10:13 | ashimema | What I'm thinking is that I'll rip out the members/manualinvoice.pl changes from the bug you're currently qa'ing for me.. reducing it's scope a little bit.. so we'll be left with that one use |
| 10:17 | josef_moravec | ashimema: I would like to, but as you said, it is not that easy ;) it should definitely be adaptet to account changes made, i postponed it, because there were many patches in that area, even some concurring with mine ;) |
| 10:17 | ashimema: if scope is reducing, we'll have better chance to finish that ;) | |
| 10:18 | ashimema | brill |
| 10:18 | I'm very nearly there on this bug then and will move the final manualinvoice removal to it's own one which will likely depend on your one above... I'm happy to do he first rebase and the we could perhaps work on it together to give it polish? | |
| 10:19 | sure tcohen would be keen to jump on board too | |
| 10:19 | josef_moravec | ashimema: sure, thanks! |
| 10:20 | ashimema | :) |
| 10:20 | tcohen | Oh I love 17702 |
| 10:20 | ashimema | cait, joubu, bug 17702.. would love you're thoughts/advice on how we can make that translatable when we come to it.. |
| 10:20 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=17702 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, ASSIGNED , Create configuration for account types |
| 10:21 | ashimema | I imagine that'll be the main qa challenge at this point |
| 10:21 | I'm thinking a 'db_strings' table which could allow for translations of 'descriptions' or something like that... but that's a very high level view.. I've not thought it through yet | |
| 10:23 | * ashimema | isn't even entirely sure how many koha's are installed multilingual |
| 10:27 | Joubu | What is the main goal? |
| 10:28 | how is that different than AV? | |
| 10:29 | ashimema | it could plausably be done with AV.. but I don't think it's great having AV as a catch all... |
| 10:29 | it means you can't easily setup constraints | |
| 10:29 | or translations | |
| 10:29 | cait | ashimema: did you see the translation of itemtypes? |
| 10:30 | ashimema | nope |
| 10:30 | cait | ashimema: our kohas are ALL multilingual |
| 10:30 | so at least 130 :) | |
| 10:30 | ashimema | awesome |
| 10:30 | cait | go to administraton > itemtypes |
| 10:30 | Joubu | bug 20307 |
| 10:30 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=20307 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Language overlay for authorized values |
| 10:30 | cait | the goethe institute libraries all offer the opac in the language of the coutnry they are at if possible and german |
| 10:30 | the otehrs are mostly german english at least, with some additional languages | |
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| 10:44 | josef_moravec | have to go for today, thanks all! |
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| 11:07 | ere | If anyone's interested, I just posted a patch for bug 21280 to unify tabbed MARC editors of biblios and authorities. Also brings authority editing functionality to same level with biblios (e.g. showing/hiding of tags and docs). |
| 11:07 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21280 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Needs Signoff , Unify MARC editor in biblios and authorities |
| 11:18 | paxed | ere: the marcfielddocURL might need a placeholder for type, eg. is it "bib" or "auth"? |
| 11:19 | ere | paxed: true, or a separate pref for auths since the url structure might be completely different |
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| 11:20 | paxed | ere: more prefs, eww no. imo, better to have a url rewrite under your control to which you point it |
| 11:23 | cait | paxed: guess it deepnds if you can host yourself or arer referring to external docs |
| 11:23 | ere | paxed: a pref is definitely more accessible than url rewriting, though |
| 11:23 | cait | yeah |
| 11:24 | for a lot of libraries url rewrite apache side is not a viable option | |
| 11:25 | paxed | couldn't you just point the "url" to a file on a shared drive folder...? |
| 11:26 | cait | if there is a shared folder |
| 11:27 | just sayin gi don't think most libraries host their own marc docs | |
| 11:27 | so will have no influence on the url structure | |
| 11:29 | ere | Also it seems that UNIMARC docs, even the obsolete ones, are no longer available as html |
| 11:31 | cait | fun... |
| 11:32 | afk for a bit, back later | |
| 11:33 | paxed | at least we in finland have the translated format in xml available. |
| 11:36 | ere | paxed: I just have to boast a bit here: It's mostly because I went through the trouble of writing the XML docs and transformations to HTML. :) |
| 11:37 | paxed | ere: thank god. now if only we could get more data in there. |
| 11:38 | ere | well, yeah.. |
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| 11:46 | ere | paxed: pref done, sorry! |
| 11:48 | paxed | *shrug* |
| 12:15 | Joubu | @later tell kidclamp could you fix the description of 16.06.00.027 (yes I know it's old)? |
| 12:16 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:20 | Joubu | @later tell dcook to link bug reports, use "bug 12345", not "#12345", bugz will add the link for you |
| 12:20 | huginn` | Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:36 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:42 | magnuse | ho oleonard |
| 12:43 | oleonard | How is everything up your way magnuse? |
| 12:48 | magnuse | not freezing but raining, got a bit of a cold, and working on swedish ill :-) |
| 12:48 | and it's friday! | |
| 12:48 | cait | pizza? |
| 12:49 | magnuse | probably a frozen one :-| |
| 12:49 | cait | oh, how disappointing ;) |
| 12:50 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #204: SUCCESS in 19 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D8/204/ |
| 12:50 | magnuse | @wunder bodo, norway |
| 12:50 | huginn` | magnuse: Bodo, Norway :: Rain :: 39F/4C | Wind Chill: 33F/1C | Friday: Cloudy and windy with periods of rain. High near 45F. Winds SW at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall near a half an inch. Friday Night: Cloudy and windy with periods of rain. Low 42F. Winds SW at 25 to 35 mph. Chance of rain 100%. Rainfall around a half an inch. |
| 12:50 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 12:50 | huginn` | oleonard: Athens, OH :: Clear :: 35F/2C | Wind Chill: 32F/0C | Friday: A mix of clouds and sun during the morning will give way to cloudy skies this afternoon. High 48F. Winds light and variable. Friday Night: Cloudy skies. Low 38F. Winds light and variable. |
| 12:52 | magnuse | no sun on our house yet, but i can walk to where it is in my lunchbreak, if the weather is good |
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| 12:57 | magnuse | tjänare andreashm |
| 12:57 | andreashm | hej magnuse |
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| 12:59 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #204: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.05_U18/204/ |
| 12:59 | oleonard | Joubu++ # Thanks for your help on Bug 21091 |
| 12:59 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21091 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Move add item template JavaScript to a separate file |
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| 13:15 | ashimema | @later tell wizzyrea have the permissions for users on the website changed?.. I can't seem to add the 'Koha news' tag to the release anouncement. |
| 13:15 | huginn` | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:16 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #202: SUCCESS in 42 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/202/ |
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| 13:24 | * kidclamp | waves |
| 13:24 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D9 build #33: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.11_D9/33/ |
| 13:24 | oleonard | Hi kidclamp |
| 13:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_D8 build #32: SUCCESS in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.11_D8/32/ |
| 13:28 | magnuse | kia ora kidclamp |
| 13:28 | ashimema++ for 18.11.03 | |
| 13:28 | * magnuse | should set a date to upgrade |
| 13:29 | kidclamp | today! bleeding edge! |
| 13:30 | oleonard | yesterday! upgrade paradox! |
| 13:30 | ashimema | Lol |
| 13:34 | magnuse | tee hee |
| 13:34 | * magnuse | needs to wait for the packages |
| 13:38 | kidclamp | just apply all the changes manually |
| 13:38 | ashimema | lol |
| 13:45 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #205: SUCCESS in 20 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D8/205/ |
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| 13:47 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #203: SUCCESS in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/203/ |
| 13:59 | * magnuse | starts to apply the changes manually |
| 14:04 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.11_U18 build #31: SUCCESS in 47 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.11_U18/31/ |
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| 14:13 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #205: SUCCESS in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.05_U18/205/ |
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| 14:13 | magnuse | have fun #koha! |
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| 14:57 | huginn` | News from kohagit: Bug 20639: DBRev 18.12.00.016 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]172bf6a2c7d041e40> |
| 14:57 | News from kohagit: Bug 22049: Do not pass Koha::Patron to AddIssue <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b3614915fc589f13e> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix status_alias -1 bug <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9e39079328fc59e83> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Passed value to status_alias <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]99889b8dab182e423> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix unit test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa05ce87e71eb5476> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix status_alias comparison <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3ff8fe7dff1022b78> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Overload status_alias <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5f3888cb67f8c40f0> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix typo in DB upgrade <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]79204f07c5dccae12> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Do not use PK for AV FK <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0a0576514d8774e9> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix dependency requirement <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]513b6741cf0dd4e02> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix QA errors <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d046752ac570a7eec> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix typo in kohastructure <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fe07ad2a85db3b0c7> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix AV population <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]31bbdcfed4de0dbfa> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Modify POD <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b24e71dd1b1329fd6> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix fallback status_alias <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5e8f4c57ac4980d58> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Allow for undefined lib <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a29917285eae1fdd3> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Fix statusalias return <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5a65b9561733fceec> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: Fix display of status alias in OPAC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5d286d63f00204834> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: (follow-up) Display status name <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7c525479d8c3f3409> | |
| 14:58 | News from kohagit: Bug 20581: Unit tests for status_alias <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c2b7755f03d1d9dd6> | |
| 14:58 | ashimema | damn.. I have some catching up to do again now |
| 14:59 | cait | yeah... |
| 14:59 | ah no | |
| 14:59 | this is just the many patches from that ill bug | |
| 14:59 | ashimema | :'( |
| 15:00 | * ashimema | is 88 commits behind on his queue again now :( |
| 15:00 | cait | oh |
| 15:00 | but possibly not as many bugs, you will see | |
| 15:00 | ashimema | indeed |
| 15:00 | shouldn't be too bad | |
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| 15:08 | ttt | is it necessary to add all : ; . / while doing dataentry in koha these symbols are as per AACRII rules |
| 15:09 | are all libraries following these symbols if this is not done and only data entry is carried out will that have any impact later | |
| 15:09 | how many libraries follow these AACR II punctuation in Koha | |
| 15:09 | caroline1 | ttt: if you want them to appear in your catalog, you must enter them |
| 15:10 | ttt | but nobody prints catalogue now |
| 15:10 | caroline1 | ttt: some punctuation will appear anyway, whether you enter it or not |
| 15:10 | ttt | i have a question when data will be exchanged will these make any issue |
| 15:10 | caroline1 | ttt: I mean it will appear in your OPAC |
| 15:10 | ttt: no it will not cause issues when data is exchanged | |
| 15:11 | cait | ttt: take 245 for an example, if you don't enter them, there will be no separation between title and author etc. |
| 15:11 | ttt | are all libraries following these aacrII rules while cataloguing |
| 15:11 | oleonard | Because MARC is a bad bad data format XD |
| 15:11 | caroline1 | oleonard: hey! |
| 15:11 | cait | he is right |
| 15:11 | caroline1 | don't listen to him MARC |
| 15:11 | eythian | not wrong |
| 15:11 | cait | ttt: right now it's mostly a display issue |
| 15:11 | oleonard | @karma MARC |
| 15:11 | huginn` | oleonard: Karma for "MARC" has been increased 0 times and decreased 19 times for a total karma of -19. |
| 15:11 | caroline1 | ttt: no, not all libraries use AACR |
| 15:11 | cait | if you decide not to enter them in general, there is a marker somewhere in the leader i think to indicate that |
| 15:12 | then you can say your data is fully valid | |
| 15:12 | but it might still not look good in soem spots :) | |
| 15:12 | ttt | thats fine but it is difficult for people to remember all those symbols and do data entry |
| 15:12 | hence achiving standardization is really difficult | |
| 15:12 | cait | yeah, no fun |
| 15:13 | caroline1 | I wouldn't worry about it... there is no cataloguing police who will arrest you if you don't add punctuation |
| 15:13 | ttt | one more question i have is if book is in some language and if we create card in that language is it necessary to fill up all fields in english as well to retrieve data in both languages |
| 15:13 | cait | ... oh can somene add that to quotes? :) |
| 15:14 | ttt: lots of fields are not repeatable | |
| 15:14 | * oleonard | suspects caroline1 is an undercover cataloging police agent |
| 15:14 | caroline1 | busted... |
| 15:14 | cait | hm maybe I don't understand |
| 15:14 | can you give an example? | |
| 15:14 | corilynn | first rule of cataloging police is no talking about cataloging police |
| 15:15 | cait | usually you don't translate but use what is on the item - but you can for example transliterate original scripts etc. |
| 15:15 | but it's overcomplicated if you want to do that to standard | |
| 15:15 | caroline1 | ttt: retrieving will only work in the language it's written in |
| 15:15 | cait | @narc 880 |
| 15:15 | huginn` | cait: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:15 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 15:15 | eythian | heh @narc |
| 15:15 | ttt | say book is in french language and we create cataloguing in french with all fields entered in french but user may enter its title in english |
| 15:15 | cait | @marc 880 |
| 15:15 | huginn` | cait: The fully content-designated representation, in a different script, of another field in the same record. Field 880 is linked to the associated regular field by subfield $6 (Linkage). The first and second indicator positions in field 880 have the same definition and values as the indicators in the associated field. The subfield codes in field 880 are the same as those defined in the associated field except (1 more message) |
| 15:15 | ttt | what is RDA |
| 15:15 | wahanui | rumour has it RDA is indicated in another field |
| 15:15 | cait | ttt: you coudl probably enter that... 246? |
| 15:15 | caroline1 | ttt: you can put alternative titles in 246 or 534 |
| 15:15 | cait | hah :) |
| 15:16 | caroline++ | |
| 15:16 | ttt | but what about author, publisher, subject etc. if all these fields are added in original language would it be write to add them in english as well |
| 15:16 | from retrieval point of view | |
| 15:16 | caroline1 | in bilingual libraries here they often put subject headings in both languages but the rest is as it is on the item |
| 15:17 | for authors, you can have authorities that redirct to the right spelling (like Tchaikovsky vs Chaikovsky) | |
| 15:17 | cait | for subjects too |
| 15:17 | i think | |
| 15:18 | ttt | ok |
| 15:18 | cait | but it will only show one form, thisis for helping search |
| 15:18 | ttt | as well same doubt about creating item record |
| 15:18 | caroline1 | I'm not sure how well Koha handles redirection though |
| 15:19 | cait | caroline1: it's a bit difficult, but you definitelyneed the pref on before indexing... IncludeSeeFromInSearches |
| 15:19 | ttt: test it before implementing | |
| 15:20 | ttt | ok |
| 15:21 | one more question many libraries while using koha will not bother about indicators and leave them without giving any proper indicator number in such cases will there be any issue | |
| 15:22 | caroline1 | ttt: indicators will cause some issues, esp. for sorting and display |
| 15:23 | ttt | oh |
| 15:23 | people only enter data in different tags without bothering indications, punctuations | |
| 15:23 | caroline1 | like the 2nd (I think) indicator of field 245 is how many characters to ignore in sorting by title... If you don't put that, the titles will be sorted by 1st character which might give you wierg results (like "the something..." will be sorted in Ts) |
| 15:24 | corilynn | def. what the second indicator does in 245 |
| 15:24 | cait | huh |
| 15:24 | ttt | is there any quick guide for koha cataloguing with all these cares because marc is huge and if there is simple guide with few eg those can be taken as a guidelines |
| 15:24 | cait | Failed to submit form: error when staging records in Koha? |
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| 15:25 | caroline1 | ttt: I have some libraries that don't have any librarians or library techs who do the cataloguing and they do fine |
| 15:26 | ttt | so they dont bother much about these punctuations, indicators etc. |
| 15:26 | entering author in 100$a in one way and in 245 in other way etc. | |
| 15:26 | caroline1 | You can simplify a lot in the framework with dropdown menus and default values and it takes away a lot of the worries |
| 15:27 | cait | i kinda liked the tutorials here: http://www.loc.gov/marc/marcdocz.html |
| 15:27 | when i ws new to marc21 | |
| 15:27 | understanding... | |
| 15:27 | caroline1 | ttt: they do have to follow SOME rules, like entering last name first in 100$a, |
| 15:27 | ttt | ok |
| 15:28 | cait | it has a guide to the most commonly used fields with examples |
| 15:28 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/ | |
| 15:28 | caroline1 | Also, have them do derived cataloguing (Z39.50 for example) a lot of records are already catalogued somewhere |
| 15:29 | tuxayo | caroline1: «there is no cataloguing police who will arrest you if you don't add punctuation» |
| 15:29 | Maybe we need one :P (for other violations) | |
| 15:29 | * tuxayo | remembers their colleagues complaining about libraries deviating from standards and causing issues, and one of them bringing a UNIMARC red book to a training to make the librarians take an oauth to follow the standard ^^ |
| 15:30 | caroline1 | I've had colleagues in the past like that, but I find that it's a lot of worry for not much results |
| 15:30 | even if you don't put a period at the end of an ISBN, who cares really? | |
| 15:31 | * eythian | wishes that people developing cataloguing standards in the dark ages knew about data/presentation format separation theory. |
| 15:32 | ttt | thats what is my question then why to task libraries to remember those : ; . / and put them while cataloguing |
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| 15:32 | eythian | ISBN shouldn't have a . because it's not semantically meaningful, the presentation layer can do that |
| 15:32 | cait | leaving off the ending . should give no issues i think - i never do those |
| 15:32 | eythian | I mean, it shouldn't even be in the standard. |
| 15:32 | cait | eythian: we know :) |
| 15:32 | yes. but it is. | |
| 15:33 | ttt | in database context i think we should not bother so much |
| 15:33 | eythian | right, they needed a computer scientist or three on their board when designing it. |
| 15:33 | tuxayo | caroline1: «I find that it's a lot of worry for not much results» |
| 15:33 | I think it's mostly about tickets for things for displaying, or displaying in the wrong place due to unnecessarily being in the wrong filed (or an invented) | |
| 15:33 | Or indexetions issues. | |
| 15:33 | eythian | (that said, I look at data formats from those days and they're not much better.) |
| 15:33 | corilynn | eythian++ wouldn't that be awesome... a reason to go back in time! |
| 15:34 | eythian | heh |
| 15:34 | oleonard | eythian: I wonder how many data formats from that time are in as wide use as MARC today |
| 15:34 | corilynn | oleonard, like zero |
| 15:34 | eythian | corilynn: alas no |
| 15:35 | corilynn | eythian, should be zero :( |
| 15:35 | eythian | for example, ISO8601 |
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| 15:35 | eythian | which is what is used to carry MARC around |
| 15:35 | it's optimised for tape storage and access... | |
| 15:35 | err | |
| 15:35 | corilynn | at least it has a four digit year |
| 15:35 | eythian | wrong ISO |
| 15:36 | ISO2709 | |
| 15:37 | corilynn | but 2709 isn't being used anymore, is it? |
| 15:38 | eythian | what is dead can never die |
| 15:38 | It's not used in Koha, but I am 100% sure it's used elsewhere. | |
| 15:39 | corilynn | similiar to what a friend of mine used to say about dev projects "there is no phase 2" |
| 15:39 | eythian | prototype is production. |
| 15:39 | corilynn | word |
| 15:43 | caroline1 | Is there somewhere other than noissuescharge that triggers the "Checkouts are BLOCKED because fin balance is OVER THE LIMIT"? |
| 15:43 | I have 5 in noissuescharge and a patron with 75$ in fine who can still checkout... | |
| 15:43 | * caroline1 | is confused |
| 15:49 | tuxayo | corilynn: «but 2709 isn't being used anymore, is it?» |
| 15:49 | ISO2709 is the format I see the most. I have the impression that every time I get a file to import into the reservoir to reproduce an issue for example. The customer provides an ISO 2709 | |
| 15:49 | corilynn | tuxayo, huh |
| 15:50 | cait | caroline1: what kind of charge? |
| 15:50 | there is one pref that says to not count some type | |
| 15:50 | caroline1 | they are overdue fines |
| 15:50 | cait | hm |
| 15:51 | caroline1 | he has like 15 items overdue, almost all are over 5$ overdue |
| 15:51 | eythian | marcxml is much too new, it's not even 18 yet. You can't risk everything with such an unproven format. |
| 15:53 | caroline1 | I'm checking circulation.tt and there is only something about garantees... I'm not proficient in tt though... |
| 15:55 | ugh... having problems with the paste thing... | |
| 15:55 | [% IF ( charges ) %] | |
| 15:55 | [% INCLUDE 'blocked-fines.inc' fines = chargesamount %] | |
| 15:55 | [% END %] | |
| 15:55 | [% IF ( charges_guarantees ) %] | |
| 15:55 | <li> | |
| 15:55 | <span class="circ-hlt">Fees & Charges:</span> Patron's guarantees collectively owe [% chargesamount_guarantees | $Price %]. | |
| 15:55 | [% IF ( charges_guarantees_is_blocker ) %] | |
| 15:55 | <span class="circ-hlt">Checkouts are BLOCKED because fine balance is OVER THE LIMIT.</span> | |
| 15:55 | [% END %] | |
| 15:55 | </li> | |
| 15:55 | [% END %] | |
| 15:55 | lol! | |
| 15:55 | http://paste.koha-community.org/2588 | |
| 15:58 | cait | caroline1: have you checked all prefs that come up with 'noissue'? |
| 15:58 | here are 7 now | |
| 16:00 | caroline1 | yes, but they don't really apply. the patron only has fines, no manual_inv, no holds fee, etc. |
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| 16:05 | cait | caroline1: sorr,y no idea, sounds like a bug? |
| 16:05 | has someone experience with match points? | |
| 16:06 | caroline1 | cait: I sent it over to a dev... they will check the code more in detail |
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| 16:09 | cait | vs. match rules? |
| 16:10 | caroline1 | cait: wasn't it you who sent me a blog post by joy explaining those? |
| 16:10 | cait | yeah i have seen that, but i have some issues applying it :) |
| 16:10 | i am wonderin gif you can only have a match check without a maching rule | |
| 16:10 | caroline1 | oh, yeah me too... big headache that |
| 16:11 | I don't think you can | |
| 16:16 | cait | hm i think th help for matching rules needs an update :( |
| 16:16 | at least in 17.11 it doesn't reflect the new things from back then | |
| 16:17 | * oleonard | prepares the ceremonial fire in case someone decides to begin the ritual to summon talljoy |
| 16:17 | cait | heh |
| 16:18 | i have achieved my goal another way, so maybe we won't need it | |
| 16:18 | our unin catalogs merges with another | |
| 16:18 | and all 001 are changing | |
| 16:18 | which created a lot of work as a lot of system use this number for linking | |
| 16:18 | creates | |
| 16:21 | Koha only has one ‘Normalization rule’ that removes extra characters such as commas and semicolons. The value you enter in this field is irrelevant to the normalization process. ‘Required match checks’ - ?? | |
| 16:21 | yep. needs updating in 18.11 too | |
| 16:22 | it also claims 001 has a subfield a | |
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| 18:41 | philor | could someone do a quick check of something in 18.05.08 or master, before I report a bug that turns out to just be broken for me? |
| 18:48 | cait | depends on how difficult |
| 18:51 | philor | edit a bib with a double quote in the title, like |"A" is for alibi| in the basic editor, see whether the title text input winds up blank |
| 18:52 | so somewhere between dead simple if you have the basic editor on by default and have a record for that, and annoying if you have the advanced editor on and don't know a title in your db with a double quote in it and have to make one | |
| 18:52 | cait | i think that was reported already |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Yes, confirmed philor |
| 18:53 | cait | bug 22395 |
| 18:53 | huginn` | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22395 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Data in 245 field (subfield a or b) will be deleted if it has Quotation Marks |
| 18:53 | philor | bah, I tried lots of words, but not "quotation" |
| 18:55 | cait | i saw it earlier, i can't remember numbers for my life... but i am good with keywords in bugs :) |
| 18:55 | philor | thanks for the link and the confirmation |
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| 19:59 | oleonard | Happy weekend, everyone |
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| 20:45 | vero | Please help me, when I change the preference (item-level_itypes) to (bibliographic record) to show the item type icon of Opac When I load a loan from the librarian, it throws me an error the koha method :: Biblio article-> not for loan |
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| 21:55 | vero | Please help me, when I change the preference (item-level_itypes) to (bibliographic record) to show the item type icon of Opac When I load a loan from the librarian, it throws me an error the koha method :: Biblio article-> not for loan |
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