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| 02:51 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 02:52 | Anyone around familiar with template toolkit filtering? | |
| 03:46 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. | |
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| 07:52 | reiveune | hello |
| 08:15 | cait | bye #koha :) |
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| 08:42 | dersmon | hi everyone |
| 08:52 | magnuse | hiya dersmon |
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| 09:08 | dersmon | it seems like my record matching rules only apply to records imported using the bulk import script, while all data imported using stage/commit is ignored |
| 09:09 | is there something i have to do after committing? | |
| 09:10 | i mean, the matching rules are not working for stage/commit imports | |
| 09:11 | i tried rebuilding zebra | |
| 12:15 | * ashimema | has at last found a moment to fully fix the ptfs-europe sandboxes.. we now have the new sandboxes running alongside 2 legacy sandboxes. |
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| 12:28 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:32 | magnuse | ashimema++ |
| 12:33 | i have one library reporting that when they return books the barcode field does not automagically get focus, to make it easy to return the next book. no errors in the console. anyone else seen that? oleonard? | |
| 12:33 | they are using Chrome | |
| 12:33 | oleonard | What Koha version magnuse? |
| 12:33 | magnuse | 17.11.11 |
| 12:34 | they have tried in two different computers | |
| 12:34 | i can't reproduce with chromium | |
| 12:45 | oleonard | magnuse: I checked out 17.11.x and tested in Firefox and Chrome (on Windows) and don't see it. |
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| 13:05 | magnuse | thanks for testing oleonard! |
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| 13:06 | magnuse | i imagine people would be complaining if it was a common problem |
| 13:06 | kia ora andreashm! | |
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| 14:25 | * cait | waves |
| 14:26 | caroline | hi cait, hi everybody |
| 14:26 | cait | hi caroline :) |
| 14:28 | oleonard++ # totally agree on html in MARC | |
| 14:29 | if you are from a country using decimal commas this email from codeacademy seems like a very bad deal: Learn a $112,879 skill for just $199 ... now it looks only quite exaggerated | |
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| 14:55 | greenjimll | cait: you'd think codeacademy would at least have localised the currency too for you. :-) |
| 14:58 | cait | unlikely, i think they only offer Enlgish courses |
| 14:58 | it just had me scratching my head for a moment wondering | |
| 15:01 | oleonard: hm somoene reported a problem with russian and the circulation datatable on bug 21933 for 18.11 | |
| 15:01 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21933 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Renew or chek in selected items |
| 15:03 | cait | this databale scares me a bit |
| 15:04 | do you have a moment to take a look at the error message posted maybe? | |
| 15:05 | oleonard | Sure |
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| 15:14 | indradg | hi #koha |
| 15:15 | oleonard | Hi indradg |
| 15:18 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:18 | Greetings, indradg | |
| 15:18 | Greetings oleonard | |
| 15:18 | Greetings, cait | |
| 15:19 | Greetings, greenjimll | |
| 15:19 | indradg | I´m facing a rather peculiar performance issue on 18.05.06... |
| 15:19 | greenjimll | mtompset: Hello! |
| 15:19 | indradg | on a debian 8.10 - 4 core 10 GB VM |
| 15:19 | * mtompset | mimes, "Plack everything!" |
| 15:20 | indradg | two instances: one with 11,000+ bibs, other with 350+ bibs |
| 15:20 | mtompset | 10GB VM... someone is rich. :) |
| 15:20 | indradg | memcached running, plack running |
| 15:20 | for both instances | |
| 15:20 | the 11K bib searchs are coming in nice and fine | |
| 15:21 | the 350+ bibs instance is crawling | |
| 15:21 | mtompset | are both plack? |
| 15:21 | sudo koha-list --plack | |
| 15:21 | lists both instances? | |
| 15:21 | indradg | mtompset, both |
| 15:22 | cait | indradg: is it only searches? |
| 15:23 | slow since update? or a new one? | |
| 15:24 | indradg | cait: the 11K bib instance was a datadump from a 17.11.x db; the 350 bib one was a direct mrc file import into a fresh instance |
| 15:24 | cait | we have had bad experience with zebra facets on bigger installations |
| 15:24 | they make searches really slow | |
| 15:25 | if you have them on, it might be worth trying to deactivate in koha-conf.xml | |
| 15:25 | and restarting zebra maybe | |
| 15:26 | indradg | ok |
| 15:26 | cait: peculiarly it is the tiny instance that is having issues | |
| 15:26 | cait | alos if you changed the page size or upped the number of records for facets |
| 15:26 | ah | |
| 15:27 | so it's the other way around? because you said "the 350+ bibs instance is crawling" | |
| 15:27 | indradg | im looking at network tab on in chrome devtools |
| 15:27 | cait: yes. the 11K bib one is going fine | |
| 15:27 | cait | oh |
| 15:28 | 350 records | |
| 15:28 | i somehow made that into 350.000 | |
| 15:28 | indradg | but you have given me something to chew on @ cait |
| 15:28 | cait | i am not good with numbers :) |
| 15:28 | indradg | [/nick indradg|digging |
| 15:29 | cait | maxRecordsForFacets and OPACnumSearchResults set to more than 20 can also slow tihngs down |
| 15:29 | but for 350 it seems unusual | |
| 15:29 | indradg|digging | i may have done something stupid |
| 15:29 | be back in 10 mins | |
| 15:32 | cait | afk now, might be back later (dinner time) :) |
| 15:34 | mtompset | @seen Joubu |
| 15:34 | huginn | mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 20 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <Joubu> @later tell tcohen maybe it's #97 and the commit message is wrong, commitid is 84f9c1c1f539d45e27b28344967ea4dda4917f4f |
| 15:34 | mtompset | @seen tcohen |
| 15:34 | huginn | mtompset: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <tcohen> hi |
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| 15:35 | mtompset | oleonard, did you see my double filtering issue/question on the koha-developer's mailing list? |
| 15:36 | oleonard | mtompset: Did you see my answer? :D |
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| 15:37 | gveranis | hi all |
| 15:38 | I would like to ask if somehow we can setup Mail::Sendmail to use different smtp servers based on koha instance that is used | |
| 15:40 | Sendmail.pm support configuration for multi smtp use, but I don't find something on Koha code to set up it | |
| 15:40 | for different instances | |
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| 15:44 | mtompset | gveranis, I believe if you set the branch email address, you can confirm exim4 to use a different email address/smtp server to send from. |
| 15:44 | I mean configure exim4. And no, I don't know how off the top of my head. | |
| 15:45 | gveranis | ok thanks I will look for it |
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| 16:09 | cait | @wunder Upfingen |
| 16:09 | huginn | cait: Upfingen, Germany :: Overcast :: 43F/6C | Tuesday: Periods of light rain early. Lows overnight in the mid 30s. Tuesday Night: Cloudy. Periods of light rain early. Low 34F. Winds light and variable. Chance of rain 40%. |
| 16:10 | cait | oleonard++ thx! |
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| 16:21 | cait | oleonard: also explains why it doesn't explode for me |
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| 17:11 | CrispyBran | @seen joubu |
| 17:11 | huginn | CrispyBran: joubu was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 5 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <Joubu> @later tell tcohen maybe it's #97 and the commit message is wrong, commitid is 84f9c1c1f539d45e27b28344967ea4dda4917f4f |
| 17:11 | CrispyBran | @seen tcohen |
| 17:11 | huginn | CrispyBran: tcohen was last seen in #koha 2 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <tcohen> hi |
| 17:11 | CrispyBran | @seen mtompset |
| 17:11 | huginn | CrispyBran: mtompset was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <mtompset> I mean configure exim4. And no, I don't know how off the top of my head. |
| 17:31 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:58 | oleonard | mtompset: I take it you disagree with my answer? |
| 18:04 | mtompset | which answer? |
| 18:04 | oleonard | About the HTML filtering issue? |
| 18:04 | mtompset | I hadn't see it. |
| 18:05 | no no... | |
| 18:05 | you didn't run it, did you? | |
| 18:05 | it turned the blank lines into readable HTML. | |
| 18:05 | I just put <hr> in there for other bizarre test case. | |
| 18:06 | sorry, it went to my junk folder, which is why I didn't see it. | |
| 18:06 | just try with lots of blank lines between regular text. | |
| 18:06 | oleonard | Did I add your sample to a 500$a and test the output? Yes I did. |
| 18:07 | mtompset | so you saw <br>'s added? |
| 18:07 | oleonard | Is the question "Should HTML inside 500$a be rendered?" |
| 18:07 | mtompset | No... |
| 18:08 | the question is why are blank lines turned into HTML... *AND* what should the HTML in the notes look like? | |
| 18:08 | there were two things going on. | |
| 18:08 | line 717 is a double filter. | |
| 18:09 | I don't think the | html is needed. | |
| 18:09 | oleonard | Okay, so my answer to the second half of that question is that HTML should not be included in any MARC tag. |
| 18:09 | mtompset | That I don't have a problem with. :) |
| 18:09 | cait | agreed |
| 18:10 | mtompset | But the whole addition of readable HTML in the output where there is none is wrong, in my opinio/. |
| 18:10 | opinion. | |
| 18:10 | test\n\nis\n\ngood should not be rendered with anything HTML taggish. | |
| 18:11 | cait | have you taken a lok at the code for getmarcnotes or how it is called? |
| 18:11 | mtompset | the code for getmarcnotes is fine. |
| 18:11 | it's the template file. | |
| 18:11 | line 717 | |
| 18:12 | foo FILTER whatever it is | html | |
| 18:12 | cait | what is the line? |
| 18:12 | mtompset | opac-detail.tt |
| 18:12 | cait | but what adds the line breaks to the variable in the first place? |
| 18:12 | mtompset | it doesn't need the | html in my opinion. |
| 18:12 | cait | i htink it does |
| 18:12 | mtompset | the | html is doing it. |
| 18:12 | cait | because it prevents malicous code added |
| 18:12 | into the marc fields | |
| 18:13 | mtompset | but the FILTER whatever it is should be catching that. |
| 18:13 | cait | i don't tihnk the html does add the <br> |
| 18:13 | mtompset | yes, it does. |
| 18:13 | I changed it to $raw, and it worked just fine. | |
| 18:13 | Sadly, I have a meeting in 2 minutes. | |
| 18:14 | [% MARCNOTE.marcnote FILTER html_line_break | html %] | |
| 18:14 | something is wrong with this filtering. | |
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| 18:16 | cait | ah |
| 18:16 | htmllinebreak | |
| 18:16 | that turns the \n to <br> | |
| 18:16 | have you tried to just switch them? | |
| 18:17 | then it should work | |
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| 18:37 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 18:38 | cait | hi Joubu |
| 18:38 | judging from all the @seen Joubu - you were missed :) | |
| 18:39 | kidclamp | Joubu++ |
| 18:40 | Joubu | kidclamp++ for the release :) |
| 18:47 | mtompset | I'll check the switching order idea, cait. |
| 18:48 | cait | the first filter is in the TT docs |
| 18:48 | it's a standard one | |
| 18:49 | both are | |
| 18:50 | I remember using it sonewhere, but that was staff, not the notes ;) | |
| 18:50 | mtompset | cait++ # swapped order works! |
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| 19:00 | caroline | anybody here for the docs meeting? |
| 19:00 | cait | iam lurking |
| 19:01 | davidnind | I am here |
| 19:01 | caroline | hi davidnind |
| 19:02 | davidnind | hi caroline and cait! |
| 19:02 | cait | hi davidnind :) |
| 19:02 | caroline | #startmeeting Documentation IRC meeting 4 December 2018 |
| 19:02 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Dec 4 19:02:33 2018 UTC. The chair is caroline. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 December 2018) | |
| 19:02 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'documentation_irc_meeting_4_december_2018' |
| 19:02 | caroline | #topic Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) |
| 19:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (please use "#info" in front of your introduction to have it show up in the automatic minutes) (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 December 2018) | |
| 19:03 | caroline | #info Caroline Cyr La Rose, inLibro |
| 19:03 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, Germany |
| 19:03 | davidnind | #info David Nind, New Zealand |
| 19:04 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart |
| 19:04 | caroline | hi Joubu! long time no see :) |
| 19:04 | #topic What's been done so far | |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now What's been done so far (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 December 2018) | |
| 19:05 | Joubu | Hi all :) |
| 19:05 | caroline | I didn't prepare anything for the meeting, I thought LeeJ would be here for the wrap-up of 18.11 |
| 19:05 | But we'll jump right into 19,05 | |
| 19:05 | :) | |
| 19:05 | cait | caroline++ |
| 19:06 | to be done is next, right? | |
| 19:06 | caroline | I know LeeJ added the enhancements to Taiga, I think I will still go through the last/official release notes to make sure everything is there |
| 19:06 | cait: you mean the topic? yes, right after | |
| 19:07 | cait | ok :) |
| 19:08 | caroline | Anything else for what's been done? I know we've all been pretty busy |
| 19:08 | davidnind | Nothing to add from me - have done nothing to progress automated screen capture and naming... |
| 19:08 | cait | was pretty busy at work - on vacation now until after christmas, might find some time for docs :) |
| 19:09 | caroline | ooh vacation! |
| 19:09 | davidnind | work has got in the way to now :-( |
| 19:09 | caroline | ugh work... |
| 19:09 | ;) | |
| 19:10 | I have 4-5 new libraries to transfer to Koha, so I don't have tons of time either | |
| 19:10 | #topic Next steps | |
| 19:10 | Topic for #koha is now Next steps (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 December 2018) | |
| 19:10 | cait | that's a lot |
| 19:10 | caroline | yes, it's crazy |
| 19:10 | cait | where shoudl we start with documenting? are there priorities? |
| 19:10 | i feel you | |
| 19:11 | or just pick something from taiga? | |
| 19:11 | caroline | Priorities are new features, enhancements |
| 19:11 | or just pick something from taiga is good too! | |
| 19:12 | I'm wondering if I will keep the Taiga structure as it is, I don't feel like transferring everything from 18.11 to 19.05 | |
| 19:12 | cait | new featuers might take a longer while, but i might be able to start with some smaller things |
| 19:12 | maybe we could just tag them for a version somehow? | |
| 19:12 | just so they don't end up in the wrong manual | |
| 19:12 | caroline | I'm looking if there's anything of mention in bugzilla |
| 19:13 | Can we edit the manuals from before? | |
| 19:13 | cait | we could |
| 19:13 | caroline | ashimema was asking about that before |
| 19:13 | cait | like we do with koha versions |
| 19:13 | cherry pick changes from one to the other branches | |
| 19:14 | davidnind | I think it is something we should try - most if not all of the Taiga tasks relate to the previous versions |
| 19:14 | caroline | Ok, in that case, I will create a new epic for 19.05, but I wont transfer everything. That way we'll be able to know what goes into just 19,05 vs the rest |
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| 19:14 | cait | if the manual is not branches yet for 19.05 we might want to hold off a whie |
| 19:15 | so we don't have 2 brnaches to maintain | |
| 19:15 | until there are patches that are specific 19.05 | |
| 19:15 | caroline | good idea |
| 19:15 | mtompset | cait++ # bug 21947 fix implemented based on your suggestion. :) |
| 19:15 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21947 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Filtering order generates html in notes |
| 19:15 | mtompset | caroline, care for an easy sign off? |
| 19:16 | caroline | mtompset: in a meeting right now, maybe after? |
| 19:16 | ok so to recap, | |
| 19:16 | mtompset | Apologies, didn't notice. Oops. :) |
| 19:16 | caroline | #info priorities for 18.11 are new features, enhancements, and after that, whatever you like |
| 19:17 | mtompset: no problem :) | |
| 19:17 | #action caroline will go through the official release notes for 18.11 to make sure everything is in Taiga | |
| 19:18 | #idea explore if it is possible to cherry pick commits onto previous version manuals | |
| 19:19 | #action caroline will create a new epic on Taiga for 19.05-specific tasks | |
| 19:19 | anything else? | |
| 19:19 | davidnind | nothing from me |
| 19:19 | cait | nope |
| 19:20 | caroline | ok, that was a quick meeting :) |
| 19:20 | #topic Set time of next meeting | |
| 19:20 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Documentation IRC meeting 4 December 2018) | |
| 19:20 | caroline | I think we can skip a meeting in january because of the holidays and schedule something for the beginning of february? |
| 19:21 | Feb 5, same time is ok for everybody? | |
| 19:21 | cait | yes |
| 19:21 | davidnind | yep |
| 19:22 | caroline | #info Next meeting: 5 February 2019, 19 UTC |
| 19:22 | hopefully that went through... | |
| 19:22 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:22 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 19:22 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Dec 4 19:22:58 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:22 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-12-04-19.02.html | |
| 19:22 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]8-12-04-19.02.txt | |
| 19:22 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]04-19.02.log.html | |
| 19:23 | davidnind | caroline ++ |
| 19:23 | cait++ | |
| 19:23 | caroline | phew! thx for being there! |
| 19:24 | davidnind | Thanks Caroline and Catch you all later - work deadline looming in the next hour! |
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| 19:24 | caroline | mtompset: all yours! |
| 19:25 | were you talking about bug 21947 | |
| 19:25 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=21947 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Filtering order generates html in notes |
| 19:28 | oleonard | Welcome back Joubu! |
| 19:31 | Joubu | thanks oleonard! :) |
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| 20:14 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #133: STILL UNSTABLE in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D8/133/ |
| 20:21 | alexbuckley | hi all |
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| 20:25 | koha-jenkins | Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #129: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_D9/129/ |
| 20:40 | Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #133: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_18.05_U18/133/ | |
| 20:42 | ashimema | <_oftc_koha-j "Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #13"> Did I see the return of Joubu |
| 20:51 | indradg | any memcached + plack experts around now? |
| 20:52 | Iḿ stuck with a peculiar problem on 18.05.06 | |
| 20:54 | Debian 8.10 VM (4 core / 10G) - two instances - one with 11000+ bibs, one with 350+ bibs. The larger instance working fine. the tiny 350 bib instance very slow | |
| 20:54 | koha-list --plack is showing both the instance | |
| 20:54 | where do I start troubleshooting? | |
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| 21:07 | valen | Hide the subject of a type of article, which I must thank |
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| 21:12 | karuson | hello |
| 21:15 | anyone here? | |
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| 21:34 | karuson | is it possible to set a group policy for patrons based on the category selected when creating a patron? |
| 21:36 | cait | what kind of policy? |
| 21:37 | karuson | example, predefine "cataloging" category to give cataloging and circulation features |
| 21:38 | when creating a patron | |
| 21:38 | cait | i think you mean permissions? |
| 21:38 | karuson | yes |
| 21:39 | cait | atm no - permissions are assigned individually |
| 21:39 | you can't define roles or something like that | |
| 21:39 | karuson | oh, is it something that I could put in a request for an eventual future update? :) |
| 21:39 | cait | i think htere is one already, let me have a quick look |
| 21:39 | karuson | okay |
| 21:40 | cait | bug 18787 |
| 21:40 | huginn | Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=18787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Create permission profiles for staff users |
| 21:41 | karuson | okay, thank you cait and huginn |
| 21:41 | :) | |
| 21:41 | cait | huginn is a bot :) |
| 21:41 | huginn | cait: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 21:41 | cait | you are welcome, right thinking too - filing a bug that is |
| 21:42 | it's always good to file one or add a comment to an existing | |
| 21:42 | karuson | so i could add to 18787? |
| 21:42 | is it really a bug though lol | |
| 21:42 | ? | |
| 21:43 | cait | bugs in bugzilla can be 'errors' or enhancements |
| 21:43 | new features | |
| 21:43 | everything is a 'bug' there | |
| 21:43 | but it's filed as an enhancement | |
| 21:44 | karuson | oh okay, thanks for explaining |
| 21:44 | cait | hope it made sense :) |
| 21:44 | karuson | it did :) |
| 21:45 | cait | and participating in bug discussions is always good |
| 21:46 | karuson | well if it helps with fixes and enhancements to move faster, i will as long as I am in use of the software. |
| 21:47 | cait | there are no guarantees a feature request will be realized tho |
| 21:47 | it needs sponsoring usually - most features are paid for by someone | |
| 21:47 | karuson | ohhhhhhh |
| 21:47 | cait | but it's good to get different perspectives, also interesting for somoen elooking at writing a spec |
| 21:47 | and if something is waiting for sign off you can help with testing | |
| 21:48 | and that would definitely help to make it move faster | |
| 21:48 | karuson | ah, yup, i have no problem with that |
| 21:48 | cait | where are you from? :) |
| 21:49 | karuson | Jamaica |
| 21:49 | cait | ah cool |
| 21:49 | I am from Germany | |
| 21:49 | if you are interested i testing, the sandboxes are a good place to start | |
| 21:49 | sandboxes? | |
| 21:49 | karuson | oh snap, its near the middle of the night there isnt it? |
| 21:49 | cait | ah, this bot is missing |
| 21:49 | kind of, but i am a night owl | |
| 21:49 | karuson | lol oh okay |
| 21:50 | i have used the sandboxes before | |
| 21:50 | cait | ah great |
| 21:50 | karuson | some of them don't work with the login details though |
| 21:50 | cait | i'd recomment the bywater ones right now - they use the newer system |
| 21:50 | i think the ptfs ones are using it now too | |
| 21:52 | karuson | ah okay |
| 21:52 | i don't really code though, at the most i could see about methods to make my work move a little bit faster | |
| 21:53 | cait | there is lots of things for non-devs :) |
| 21:54 | karuson | oh, is it possible, somewhere within the koha system to use sql commands to create a permanent table and option, or is that strictly for developers to manipulate the system to that level? |
| 21:54 | cait | helping on the mailing lists, documentation, testing... |
| 21:54 | you can use plugins | |
| 21:54 | plugins can have their own tables, data and configuration options | |
| 21:54 | but it does require some programming | |
| 21:55 | what kind of feature do you want to use it for? | |
| 21:55 | karuson | well true, the other day I had to use the test environment to fiddle around with getting a framework to be exported, edited and then imported back into the system |
| 21:55 | found out that excel keeps truncating a lot of data | |
| 21:55 | so had to use notepad++ | |
| 21:55 | cait | ah.... good old excel |
| 21:55 | i find libre office to be nicer with csv data a lot of times | |
| 21:56 | excel tends to mangle our german umlauts too | |
| 21:56 | karuson | i cant think of a use-case right now for which feature I would need to edit |
| 21:56 | oh i see, thanks for the tip | |
| 21:56 | i'll test it out when I can | |
| 21:57 | cait | worth a try - i ususally edit them with sql :) |
| 21:58 | because i am lazy - but you need to restart plack and memcached if you do, so requires a bit of server side stuff | |
| 21:58 | karuson | to edit the framework en masse? |
| 21:58 | cait | yeah |
| 21:59 | karuson | okay, so there is still a lot for me to learn about this system. memcached rings a bell, but plack does not in the least |
| 22:00 | been exposed to it for just shy of 1 month | |
| 22:00 | but interaction has been very limited | |
| 22:00 | cait | it can do a lot... sometimes that makes it a little overwhelming when you start |
| 22:01 | karuson | i see, i see |
| 22:01 | so which module do you use to edit with sql commands? is it the reports one still? | |
| 22:02 | cait | you can't do changes from within koha |
| 22:02 | the reports modules strictly only allow select | |
| 22:02 | karuson | so has to be done outside from the linux terminal end? |
| 22:02 | cait | no updates or delete |
| 22:02 | yah, and very carefully of cours | |
| 22:02 | e | |
| 22:03 | karuson | is there a course lol, cause I really would not want to mess up anything |
| 22:04 | cait | no course sorry |
| 22:04 | caroline | I used https://www.w3schools.com/sql/ when I was starting, and of course, stack overflow |
| 22:04 | karuson | okay, just have to be very meticulus in learning the relationships between tables and have a good book handy to sketch out |
| 22:05 | cait | ah we got schema too |
| 22:05 | http://schema.koha-community.org/ | |
| 22:07 | karuson | ah cool, thanks much cait |
| 22:08 | those will be helpful | |
| 22:10 | mtompset | @seen Joubu |
| 22:10 | huginn | mtompset: Joubu was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 39 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Joubu> thanks oleonard! :) |
| 22:11 | mtompset | @later tell Joubu so you are expecting bug 21947 to fix the order for all html_line... | html orders? |
| 22:11 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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| 22:21 | CrispyBran | Trying to get the destination of a transfer in a test. Trying to use my $destination = Koha::Items->find($items->{itemnumber |
| 22:21 | whoops | |
| 22:21 | Trying to get the destination of a transfer in a test. Trying to use my $destination = Koha::Items->find($items->{itemnumber})->transfer->tobranch; | |
| 22:22 | Getting: The method Koha::Item->transfer is not covered by tests. | |
| 22:22 | Ideas? | |
| 22:23 | cait | i got that with typos |
| 22:23 | not sure if that's the casehere | |
| 22:24 | did you write/add transfer? | |
| 22:25 | CrispyBran | Koha::Items->find($items->{itemnumber})->transfer->tobranch |
| 22:25 | Just like that | |
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| 22:25 | cait | i dont see transfer in Items |
| 22:25 | or Transfers | |
| 22:26 | CrispyBran | Trying to retrieve the destination of a transfer. Any ideas? |
| 22:27 | cait | i think it thinks transfer is a method - but that method doesn't exist |
| 22:27 | item has no property transfer and no method transfer | |
| 22:28 | i don't think you can use it like that | |
| 22:28 | CrispyBran | I may have been misinformed. |
| 22:28 | cait | there is get_transfer in Items |
| 22:29 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ecb9bba5258c#l128 | |
| 22:29 | that look slike what you are looking for | |
| 22:30 | try changing it? | |
| 22:31 | CrispyBran | can't call method tobranch |
| 22:31 | cait | is the item in transit? |
| 22:31 | or undef... hm | |
| 22:32 | you are one step further ) | |
| 22:33 | CrispyBran | yes, in transit |
| 22:34 | cait | i am not sure |
| 22:35 | i think what we want is the getter method for tobranch... | |
| 22:37 | i a not sure if it works with objects, but i'd try to see what you get back | |
| 22:37 | using Data::Dumper | |
| 22:37 | looks at what you get leaving off the ->tobranch part | |
| 22:37 | do you have a branchtransfers object | |
| 22:38 | CrispyBran | I'm not exactly sure |
| 22:39 | This is the second test I've ever attempted to modify. | |
| 22:40 | At the risk of looking dumb, what is an object? | |
| 22:41 | cait | object oriented programming |
| 22:41 | i am not sure i can epxlain that well | |
| 22:41 | objects have methods and attributes/properties | |
| 22:42 | the main difference between C4 and Koha modules is that the Koha modules are written object oriented | |
| 22:42 | in perl this is still new to me too | |
| 22:42 | CrispyBran | Can you point out an object as an example in Circulation.t? |
| 22:42 | cait | I learned about the concepts in my distance study |
| 22:42 | the get_transfers is supposedto return an object | |
| 22:43 | you might want to ask Joubu :) | |
| 22:43 | CrispyBran | Joubu is ignoring me today. :) |
| 22:44 | cait | i think he just got back |
| 22:44 | not right now, but from not being here for a few days | |
| 22:48 | rangi | CrispyBran: its just a concept, not a real thing |
| 22:48 | instead of thinking of things as abstract data types | |
| 22:48 | you think of them as objects | |
| 22:49 | objects have methods | |
| 22:49 | adt have functions and procedures | |
| 22:50 | objects have attributes | |
| 22:50 | you can think of ADT has type abstraction | |
| 22:50 | and Objects as procedural abstraction | |
| 22:50 | you can achieve that exact same things with either abstraction, but they are both just abstractions | |
| 22:50 | so instead of thinking of a borrower as a row in the borrowers table | |
| 22:51 | you think of it as an object | |
| 22:51 | its a tool to (in theory) make maintenance/development easier | |
| 22:52 | CrispyBran | So, is something like $item an object? |
| 22:52 | rangi | it might be |
| 22:52 | or it might be a variable | |
| 22:53 | if you do something like | |
| 22:53 | cait | it's a scalar - it could be an itemnumber or it could be a reference to an item object |
| 22:53 | right? | |
| 22:54 | rangi | my $item = Koha::Item->new() |
| 22:54 | then it's an item | |
| 22:54 | you might have done my $item = "fish"; | |
| 22:54 | then its not | |
| 22:54 | :) | |
| 22:54 | cait | that's what i meant at least ;) |
| 22:54 | rangi | :) |
| 22:54 | its just a convention rather than reality CrispyBran | |
| 22:55 | in ADT or other ways you would do | |
| 22:55 | my $item = create_item("stuff goes here"); | |
| 22:55 | my $modified_item = do_something($item); | |
| 22:56 | in OO you would do | |
| 22:56 | my $item = Koha::Item->new("stuff goes here"); | |
| 22:56 | my $modified_item = $item->do_something(); | |
| 22:56 | its a just a paradigm of coding | |
| 22:57 | hopefully that makes sense :) | |
| 22:57 | CrispyBran | I'm seeing my $item = $builder->build( ...other stuff... ); |
| 22:57 | rangi | yeah tahts OO |
| 22:57 | it doesnt change what it actually does | |
| 22:57 | its just a convention of writing code | |
| 22:58 | that is supposed to be easier to understand | |
| 22:58 | (i don't buy it, its a dogma like everything else, and sometimes it's not better) | |
| 23:00 | CrispyBran | I am putting in Koha::Items->find( $item->{itemnumber} )->transfer->tobranch, and the result is "Can't call method "tobranch" on an undefined value." I have made sure that $item->{itemnumber} has a value. |
| 23:00 | cait | ah |
| 23:00 | rangi | yep |
| 23:01 | that means transfer is not giving you a result | |
| 23:01 | cait | that's different to what you said before |
| 23:01 | yep | |
| 23:01 | rangi | so the find is working |
| 23:01 | or it would be saying can't call transfer on an undefined value | |
| 23:02 | cait | you said it was can't call method tobranch before, that's a different one |
| 23:03 | and pretty sure you need get_transfers | |
| 23:04 | CrispyBran | I'm not sure what I am doing wrong then. I have testest the holds and found is set to T, but I can't get the tobranch info. I must be missing a step in the test, because Koha actually works and the branchtransfers show the transfer. |
| 23:05 | tested, not testest | |
| 23:07 | cait | did you test it within the test? |
| 23:08 | i'll better leave it to rangi ;) | |
| 23:08 | getting late here an dnot sure i can help more | |
| 23:08 | rangi | you could Dump the value |
| 23:08 | so maybe do | |
| 23:08 | use Data::Dumper; | |
| 23:09 | my $test = Koha::Items->find( $item->{itemnumber} )->transfer; | |
| 23:09 | warn Dumper ($test); | |
| 23:09 | that will tell you whats actually retruned by transfer | |
| 23:10 | Data::Dumper is a useful module for examining variables | |
| 23:12 | tcohen | Dumper($object->unblessed)? |
| 23:13 | CrispyBran | Can I use Data: Dumper in a test? |
| 23:13 | rangi | for debugging yes |
| 23:13 | remove it when you've figure out what is wrong | |
| 23:16 | CrispyBran | You wrote: my $test = Koha::Items->find( $item->{itemnumber} )->transfer; |
| 23:16 | Shouldn't it be get_transfer? | |
| 23:16 | rangi | im copying what you wrote above |
| 23:16 | CrispyBran | I put it wrong above |
| 23:20 | Where do I find the results of Dumper? | |
| 23:23 | rangi | if you made it warn |
| 23:23 | then it will be in stderr (most likely output to the screen) | |
| 23:26 | CrispyBran | what is stderr? Nothing new came up on the screen. |
| 23:27 | mtompset | use Data::Dumper; print STDERR Dumper(\@array_stuff); |
| 23:28 | use Data::Dumper; print STDERR Dumper($hashOrarray_ref_stuff); | |
| 23:28 | CrispyBran | am I supposed to type that somewhere? |
| 23:29 | mtompset | or evil, old school... use Data::Dumper; die Dumper($hash_ref_stuff); |
| 23:29 | in your code... where you are trying to examine the values of something for debugging purposes. | |
| 23:29 | I find warn might not work unless you -v your prove. :) | |
| 23:32 | CrispyBran | ugh! Why does this have to be so complicated? |
| 23:32 | mtompset | So you can earn the big bucks? ;) |
| 23:32 | * mtompset | goes back to lurking due to Christmas party elsewhere. |
| 23:34 | tcohen | CrispyBran: where's this code located? |
| 23:34 | is it a test? a .pl script run through apache? on the API/Mojolicious? | |
| 23:35 | CrispyBran | It is a test. On my computer. I haven't posted it in the bug yet. |
| 23:35 | tcohen | I use Data::Printer colored => 1; |
| 23:35 | then p($var); | |
| 23:39 | CrispyBran | Nothing is working. I keep getting syntax errors no matter which method I try. |
| 23:39 | i hate tests | |
| 23:39 | tcohen | I love them ha |
| 23:39 | CrispyBran | I get them |
| 23:39 | I hate them | |
| 23:39 | tcohen | syntax errors |
| 23:39 | tell me more | |
| 23:39 | perl -wc file.t | |
| 23:40 | what does it say? | |
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| 23:43 | tcohen | cya tomorrow, #koha |
| 23:53 | CrispyBran | I guess my testing IS missing something. While the T is set in the reserves, the transfer isn't set in the test (undef). |
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